There is little doubt the New York Giants would like to add a quarterback in next week's draft. They may not be in total desperation mode to make it happen, but it is the preferred outcome.
The biggest remaining questions at this point: Where and when can they get one? How much would it cost and who is the best fit?
Multiple NFL general managers told ESPN in the week prior to the draft that they believed quarterbacks would be selected with each of the top four picks. The Giants have the No. 6 pick.
That would mean they'd have to trade up in order to get either UNC's Drake Maye or Michigan's J.J. McCarthy, assuming USC's Caleb Williams and LSU's Jayden Daniels were the top two picks. Think something in line with pick No. 6 in this year's draft and either a first- or second-round pick next year to enter the conversation at picks Nos. 3 or 4. Even that is not believed to be enough for the New England Patriots' pick at No. 3.
It's going to be costly, no doubt. There is a so-called "QB tax" that the Arizona Cardinals would get for trading the No. 4 pick to a quarterback-hungry team.
The article goes into a breakdown of Daniels, Maye and McCarthy.
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I agree, if they trade out, the Giants make the only sense in order to get a Nabers or even possibly MHjr depending on what LA did.
If neither QB falls to us take the WR but I don't want to trade up unless we could get JD(which won't happen)
Who says they aren't trading up? They are just as likely to trade up as stay put as trade down.
If neither QB falls to us take the WR but I don't want to trade up unless we could get JD(which won't happen)
You wouldn't trade pick 6, 70 and 2025 2nd for a QB you like? I disagree. I wouldn't trade the king's ransom for 3, but I would trade that for either Maye or JJM (I prefer JJM too) at 4.
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Maye or JJM will need a year, and i think the best fit for EITHER(though my pref JJM) is with us... sit most/all of '24 and get the nod in '25. And heck if DJ plays well in '24 we might have a trade-able asset
If neither QB falls to us take the WR but I don't want to trade up unless we could get JD(which won't happen)
You wouldn't trade pick 6, 70 and 2025 2nd for a QB you like? I disagree. I wouldn't trade the king's ransom for 3, but I would trade that for either Maye or JJM (I prefer JJM too) at 4.
If that package got us to #4 then for the QB JS wants then yes of course, not sure if that does it though
The only one left is AZ. Maybe. Pretty much bet Minnesota is talking to them too.
So that leaves the #5 or #6 qb for us. And that assumes everyone in the FO is up to replace Jones and paying the draft price to do so, which I don't think is the case.
We are taking a wideout, because they are the highest rated players and "weapons!" and looking at the next tier of qb's.
You can tell yourself that but value of a position creates increased cost for said demand..
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Really. The Giants aren't getting a shot at Daniels. It does not look like they are trading up. If a QB does drop to 6 he's going to be the only one that does. Doesn't matter which guy's the best fit. If the Giants get a QB at 6 they'll be taking the guy that drops to them. That's it.
Who says they aren't trading up? They are just as likely to trade up as stay put as trade down.
Maybe in BBI land the Giants are just as likely to trade up as stay put or move down but BBI seems to be more fantasy land than real world these days. Maybe they trade up with
NE but that would mean that a team with a top 5 pick in the draft and desperately needs a QB even more than a Giants trades out of the top 5 to another team that comes in and takes a QB for the first time in NFL history. Andmaybe they trade with Arizona or the Chargers but both those teams have said multiple times over the past several weeks that if they do move down it will only be for a huge haul of picks and there is no indication at all that the Giants are prepared to give up multiple future #1s to get a QB much less the 4th best guy while there are teams out there who have stated on that they are willing to part with a big package to move up. Again its the draft and technically anything is possible but only a few things are truly likely to happen.
Williams
Daniels
MHJ ( wr here or JJM)
Then, if MHJ is off the table then Cards probably stay right here and take Nabers.
Now we have 2 QB's available at 5 and we most likely flip picks with Chargers to ensure we get Maye.
If JJM goes at 3 (a possibility), now 4 is easier to move back from by the Cards as two stud WR's are still available and moving to 6 wouldn't ruin there plans at all..
Maye going at 3, or he goes at 2 and Daniels at 3 means we now either move up for JJM or hope Cards and Chargers don't move and JJM makes it to us...
Washington taking Maye upsets our plans even more than Daniels because I am sold on Pats wanting Daniels but not so sure they want Maye...
The Chiefs were dumb to trade up for Mahomes and squander a future first because the Bills decided not to draft Mahomes for themselves.
Happens more than you think.
They'll make an aggressive bid to trade up for Maye, but there are too many needs, too many viable alternatives to selling the farm, thus they have their limits.
If/when Maye comes off the board, they are out of market on trading up. If that happens and Nabers falls to them at 6, he will be the pick. If Maye, MHJ, and Nabers are all gone by 6, their top targets would be JJM and Odunze, but they would look to deal back and their will be suiters, so most likely they would.
So my guess is that all 3 scenarios are on table:
--trade up (to 3 or 4 for Maye)
--sit tight at 6 and draft Nabers (assuming Az takes MHJ)
--trade back with a team looking to trade up for JJM (or Odunze, Alt, or anyone else, but most likely JJM)
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So let me get this straight. We are going to take the QB that another team that needs a QB even more than we do doesn't like to take when he's there for the asking but we're going to give up a package of picks - a huge package of picks - to take the guy they didn't like enough to take themselves. Which is based solely on the premise that anther team is just effing stupid but OK makes sense to me.
Happens more than you think.
When?
As for the question posed, the best fit for this organization is anyone but Jones.
Assuming CW and JD are unavailable, the best fit for Schoen and Daboll would appear to be Maye if you apply the Allen stereotype - size, arm, athleticism, coachable.
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So let me get this straight. We are going to take the QB that another team that needs a QB even more than we do doesn't like to take when he's there for the asking but we're going to give up a package of picks - a huge package of picks - to take the guy they didn't like enough to take themselves. Which is based solely on the premise that anther team is just effing stupid but OK makes sense to me.
Happens more than you think.
When?
Gee whiz, it is really not that hard. Not every program likes every QB. In fact, most teams will want the QB that fits the system that they will run on offense. Why would Kingsberry prefer Daniels to Maye or McCarthy when he has his choice. Because Daniels fits his preferred offense.
Of course that presents the anything is possible crowd with a bit of a dilemma in that one think that is also certainly possible is that with an improved OL and a more dynamic receiver corps with the addition of a true potential #1 receiver, Daniel Jones and the offence are a whole lot better. In fact I'd make the case that's substantially more likely to happen than the Giants trading up to get someone like Daniels or Maye the higher rated QBs.
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In comment 16477942 Snorkels said:
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So let me get this straight. We are going to take the QB that another team that needs a QB even more than we do doesn't like to take when he's there for the asking but we're going to give up a package of picks - a huge package of picks - to take the guy they didn't like enough to take themselves. Which is based solely on the premise that anther team is just effing stupid but OK makes sense to me.
Happens more than you think.
When?
Turn on NFL network and watch any episode of caught in the draft to see the dumb shit teams do yearly.
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In comment 16477942 Snorkels said:
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So let me get this straight. We are going to take the QB that another team that needs a QB even more than we do doesn't like to take when he's there for the asking but we're going to give up a package of picks - a huge package of picks - to take the guy they didn't like enough to take themselves. Which is based solely on the premise that anther team is just effing stupid but OK makes sense to me.
Happens more than you think.
When?
Are you asking when has a QB needy team passed over the better QB? We can start with 1983 and year by year if you want.
Thursday 8pm to 9pm is going to be pretty nerve wracking.