As always I keep it to 4 picks. I’ve thought a lot about what the Giants want to do vs what they’ll actually be able to do. Just reading the tea leaves, here is where I think we will be on Saturday night.
Round 1, pick 3: Drake Maye, QB North Carolina - the draft goes Williams, Daniels, and then Schoen makes the call to Patriots brass and gets it done for their #1 QB target and their 2nd player on their big board, and a guy who they think can be an elite quarterback in this league. Maye’s 2022 tape is up there with some of the very best QBs to come into this league over the past 10 years. He’s got Herbert ability with some moxie mixed in. He can run when necessary and he’s got a little bit of that Eli “throw it and see what happens” which will have to be reigned in a bit but it’s what makes him special. He can make every single throw on the field with ease. This is Daboll’s “Josh Allen type” situation where they can mold him into a start. He’ll start out on the bench which actually might benefit him, unless Jones still isn’t ready to go by training camp. And maybe by week 10 or definitely at the start of 2025, Drake Maye is the quarterback of the franchise moving forward.
*The trade - it’s the Eli Manning trade from 2004 with an extra pick kicked in. Giants give up their 70th in 2024, 1st and 5th in 2025. Patriots value the fact that they only move down 3 spots while getting the 1st rounder next year which helps in their rebuilding process. Also picking up the 70th overall which is a helpful pick. All in all, I think Giants fans are happy with this trade.
Round 2, pick 47: Jordan Morgan, G Arizona - bottom line is without a 3rd round pick, Giants really have to hit on a player with their 2nd rounder that ultimately needs to be a good starter by 2025. And the other bottom line is that the OL is STILL not settled even though Schoen appears to have made some solid value signings in Runyan and Eluemunor. Morgan was a 30 visit for the Giants and as Sy noted in his review, he’s a guy that could project best to guard but can also try out at tackle as well. I keep coming back to the fact that we have a new OL coach who will hopefully be able to take a tools-rich type player and mold him into a really good player. Well that would be Evan Neal, and it would also be Morgan. He is coming off a torn knee in 2022 which makes this pick a little risky, but if not for the knee he’s probably a 1st round pick easily. I did not see the value in CB this high as I really think you either take one in the 1st or find value later (hint hint) and DT wasn’t a fit either, as the top guys were already gone. Morgan can add to this OL group immediately and Giants need to continue to find their identity. For a long time Giants have taken OL because they can “plug and play” or if it was a need pick. This is a best talent and athlete available type pick who can develop into a better player than a “plug and play” type guy. They need more depth and have to start developing a pipeline of OL the right way. This is how you do it.
Round 4, pick 107: Cam Hart, CB Notre Dame - the 11th rated corner on Sy’s board and a guy who is 6’3 200 is still available in round 4 and the Giants put the card in immediately here. Will help right away on specials and I keep coming back to Shane Bowen loving this guy’s physicality. Again, with these rounds you need to take guys who are going to get on the field and contribute. I see this similar to the Dane Belton pick. Not necessarily a starter right away but someone who has the tools to get there.
Round 5, pick 166: Brenden Rice, WR USC - caveat to this is that Rice might not be available with this pick, and so I would expect Schoen to try and maybe move up somehow while not really giving much up at all, to land the physical and competitive Rice to add to the receiver group. Reading Sy’s notes on this guy and the fact that Giants traveled to a bunch of USC games makes me think he might be a target. It would be tremendous value in the 5th if he somehow fell to this pick. I think it’s possible. Because the Giants landed their QB of the future and drafted more protection in round 2, you cannot go wrong with trying to hit the lottery on Rice. Good route runner and competitor is enough for me in round 5.
So there you have it. Giants come away with Drake Maye, Jordan Morgan, Cam Hart, and Brenden Rice. And you know what? It’s possible all of them might not see a snap in 2024. But as Schoen said, Giants aren’t 1 or 2 players away, they have to continue to build the roster. Each pick I believe is not only good “value” but this is a draft where you are projecting down the road more so for 1 or 2 years.
Thoughts welcome!
Giants always manage to win a few meaningless games at the end of the year to screw up their draft position.
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Is going to be brutal. This team is a 2-4 win team in 2024. You’re giving up a top 3-5 pick next year for the third or fourth best QB, when in reality there’s a good chance the 4th QB drops to the 8+ pick.
2-4 win team? That's ridiculous. If this team is that poor than Daboll did an awful job. If that is the projection, then why is NYG the fourth highest spending team in free agency? That would indicate Schoen did an awful job.
In the scenario presented our new star QB is sitting until at least week 10 - and then comes in.
So either you think Daniel Jones is going to win a lot of games (in which case you’ve blown the QB pick), or you think Tommy Cutlets and Drew Lock are going to run a great team (unlikely), or you think rookie drake Maye comes into a weak team starting week 11 and more or less runs the table.
Ok fine, maybe 5 wins is on the table.
So it is not about winning this year. One of Jones, Lock or DeVito will be starting almost all the games(or a combo of all of them.)
Not a fan of giving up 2025 #1 - it is highly likely a very high draft slot. However, if that is what it takes to get the QB that Schoen and Daboll want, then we need to understand and accept it.
I would go best DT or CB with the next pick...
Which option does BBI want?
So it is not about winning this year. One of Jones, Lock or DeVito will be starting almost all the games(or a combo of all of them.)
Not a fan of giving up 2025 #1 - it is highly likely a very high draft slot. However, if that is what it takes to get the QB that Schoen and Daboll want, then we need to understand and accept it.
I would go best DT or CB with the next pick...
That’s a bingo! The best way to push the next contention window into the 2030s would be to give up two consecutive top 6 picks and more, betting on the quarterback three other teams passed on.
If we trade up for anything like the cost that’s being suggested it will be a devastating night.
dont love the morgan pick either, give me Pearsall or Jenkins there.
Morgan is a good player. Take him and figure it out after.
Morgan is a good player. Take him and figure it out after.
Like I said, if he's there at 47 I would absolutely take him because he's a fringe 1st rounder.
They traded a haul for the consensus #1 player, viewed as a can’t miss, everyone wanted to pick him. And now they’ve given up probably 4 seasons of competitiveness as a result. You can’t do the GoTerps try and try again QB strategy if you are puking multiple years of key resources into each bet. That’s especially true if you do it for the fourth QB off the board.
They traded a haul for the consensus #1 player, viewed as a can’t miss, everyone wanted to pick him. And now they’ve given up probably 4 seasons of competitiveness as a result. You can’t do the GoTerps try and try again QB strategy if you are puking multiple years of key resources into each bet. That’s especially true if you do it for the fourth QB off the board.
Not all teams have the same board. This isn't a computer generated draft. If they love the guy enough to trade up to 3 for him, they're staking their entire careers and livelihoods on their conviction. You'd have to respect and believe in that. The trade cost to 3 would be more like pick 6, 47 and 2025 1st though and I wouldn't do it myself. If Maye played great under pressure, then I'd absolutely do it. If he did that though, he'd probably be the 2nd pick.
They traded a haul for the consensus #1 player, viewed as a can’t miss, everyone wanted to pick him. And now they’ve given up probably 4 seasons of competitiveness as a result. You can’t do the GoTerps try and try again QB strategy if you are puking multiple years of key resources into each bet. That’s especially true if you do it for the fourth QB off the board.
I agree. Would not be upset with a QB that falls to 6, but NO TRADE UP! Though there are no sure things, certainly at QB, I think Nabers is as close to a sure elite playmaker as it comes, he would be my favorite at 6 and draft a QB later. There will be a few QBs available that are worth a shot. And for God's sake, DON"T trade away the 2025 1st rd pick!!!
They traded a haul for the consensus #1 player, viewed as a can’t miss, everyone wanted to pick him. And now they’ve given up probably 4 seasons of competitiveness as a result. You can’t do the GoTerps try and try again QB strategy if you are puking multiple years of key resources into each bet. That’s especially true if you do it for the fourth QB off the board.
The Panthers gave up the following:
DJ Moore, arguably their best player
9th overall in 2023 obviously which was their pick
61st overall in 2023
2024 1st rounder (which became 1st overall)
2025 2nd rounder
So again, this offer is way way more significant than the Giants offer. Not only are the Giants not giving them any players, or anyone close to as talented as DJ Moore, but they are giving up the 70th overall and a 1st and 5th rounder the following year.
You guys can’t complain and bitch about the QB situation, and then complain and bitch about what the Giants have to do to fix that situation. Pick one or the other.
I love Maye, but you can't trade the 2025 first pick. It is too valuable and will likely be a top ten pick. If Joe Schoen wanted to control the situation, he should have traded Barkley and McKinney at the trade deadline in 2023 and negatively affected the outcomes of games in the latter part of the schedule.
As is, the Giants must suffer the consequences of their own folly. Which means, the only trade up possible for Maye would be if the Pats moronically pass on Maye and the Cards or Chargers are willing to trade back slightly with the Giants for a lesser package than what the Vikings might offer. Assuming this is not possible, the two realistic options are 1) stay put at six and take MHJ/MN/RO OR 2) trade back if Schoen is blown away with value, ala the Denver terms being discussed on other threads.
Is the 4th QB chosen in this draft a top-10 NFL QB? I have trouble believing that is likely.
If they are going to #3 and really want Maye, Patriots would be stupid not to demand it.
Which means, the only trade up possible for Maye would be if the Pats moronically pass on Maye and the Cards or Chargers are willing to trade back slightly with the Giants for a lesser package than what the Vikings might offer. Assuming this is not possible, the two realistic options are 1) stay put at six and take MHJ/MN/RO OR 2) trade back if Schoen is blown away with value, ala the Denver terms being discussed on other threads.
Why would it be “moronic” for the pats to pass on Maye?
Hopefully they don't when you could likely get JJM or Maye at pick 4 for much less. Or stick at 6 for WR or trade down.
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did say the Giants WILL NOT trade away next year's #1. (2025 Day 2 is possible, but not #1).
If they are going to #3 and really want Maye, Patriots would be stupid not to demand it.
Doesn't mean he is right, but he said that's a dealbreaker for Schoen.
I think the cost for us to trade up to 3 would likely be pick 6, 47 and 2025 1st.
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They aren’t touching next year’s 1st. If Arizona or NE think they can add that to the deal, conversations will end. They strongly want to keep 47. They will part with 70 and a day 2 pick in 2025/potential player trade (Azeez for example)
If we could get Maye/JJM, Burns and Aiyuk for pick 6, 47, 70, 2025 2nd and a conditional 2025 4th/3rd that would be amazing to me.
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Which means, the only trade up possible for Maye would be if the Pats moronically pass on Maye and the Cards or Chargers are willing to trade back slightly with the Giants for a lesser package than what the Vikings might offer. Assuming this is not possible, the two realistic options are 1) stay put at six and take MHJ/MN/RO OR 2) trade back if Schoen is blown away with value, ala the Denver terms being discussed on other threads.
Why would it be “moronic” for the pats to pass on Maye?
Jacoby Brissett and Bailey Zappe. Nuff said.
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Which means, the only trade up possible for Maye would be if the Pats moronically pass on Maye and the Cards or Chargers are willing to trade back slightly with the Giants for a lesser package than what the Vikings might offer. Assuming this is not possible, the two realistic options are 1) stay put at six and take MHJ/MN/RO OR 2) trade back if Schoen is blown away with value, ala the Denver terms being discussed on other threads.
Why would it be “moronic” for the pats to pass on Maye?
Jacoby Brissett and Bailey Zappe. Nuff said.
That is flawed thinking.. The Pats have HUGE holes everywhere...
The Pats should have beaten us too.
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Which means, the only trade up possible for Maye would be if the Pats moronically pass on Maye and the Cards or Chargers are willing to trade back slightly with the Giants for a lesser package than what the Vikings might offer. Assuming this is not possible, the two realistic options are 1) stay put at six and take MHJ/MN/RO OR 2) trade back if Schoen is blown away with value, ala the Denver terms being discussed on other threads.
Why would it be “moronic” for the pats to pass on Maye?
Jacoby Brissett and Bailey Zappe. Nuff said.
That is flawed thinking.. The Pats have HUGE holes everywhere...
If the Pats don't take Maye it's simply because they don't like how he's a true boom or bust prospect, nothing ridiculous about that.
They traded a haul for the consensus #1 player, viewed as a can’t miss, everyone wanted to pick him. And now they’ve given up probably 4 seasons of competitiveness as a result. You can’t do the GoTerps try and try again QB strategy if you are puking multiple years of key resources into each bet. That’s especially true if you do it for the fourth QB off the board.
Yep, Panthers swung and missed (maybe). Niners swung and missed on Lance. Jets went O-2 on Darnold and Wilson. Bears swung and missed on Fields. They're taking a lead-off swing on Williams. What's the alternative? If the goal is just being competitive, pay Dak $55M a year. He's competent and competitive. Pay Cousins $50M a year. He's competent and can win a lot of games. Will either of them win a SB? Don't think so. If the goal is to win a SB and there's a QB you have a consensus on that he can win a championship, take the swing. If, and it's a big if, the Giants think Maye is that guy, I vote for trying to get him. If it doesn't work, based on my age, my grandkids might be pouring some champagne on my grave the next time they do win it all, but I'm OK with that.
Me personally, Drake Maye is the QB I least want to see the Giants get, but if they do, I'll still buy a jersey and instantly become a fan.
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Top 10 QB is worth a whole draft in my opinion. Now if you are wrong and he is a bust than it’s devastating. But if you get A WB who is top 10 for the next 15 years than there is almost no cost to high
Is the 4th QB chosen in this draft a top-10 NFL QB? I have trouble believing that is likely.
Mahomes was drafted at 10. Josh Allen at 12. Just sayin'
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Which means, the only trade up possible for Maye would be if the Pats moronically pass on Maye and the Cards or Chargers are willing to trade back slightly with the Giants for a lesser package than what the Vikings might offer. Assuming this is not possible, the two realistic options are 1) stay put at six and take MHJ/MN/RO OR 2) trade back if Schoen is blown away with value, ala the Denver terms being discussed on other threads.
Why would it be “moronic” for the pats to pass on Maye?
Jacoby Brissett and Bailey Zappe. Nuff said.
That is flawed thinking.. The Pats have HUGE holes everywhere...
I am firmly in the camp that is rooting for the Pats having flawed thinking!
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Top 10 QB is worth a whole draft in my opinion. Now if you are wrong and he is a bust than it’s devastating. But if you get A WB who is top 10 for the next 15 years than there is almost no cost to high
Is the 4th QB chosen in this draft a top-10 NFL QB? I have trouble believing that is likely.
That is a big the big question. I am not sure. I think there is a lot you can like about all 4 but also a lot to fear. I do not pretend to know what QB is best. Hell even the Guys that do it for a living a wrong a lot
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Which means, the only trade up possible for Maye would be if the Pats moronically pass on Maye and the Cards or Chargers are willing to trade back slightly with the Giants for a lesser package than what the Vikings might offer. Assuming this is not possible, the two realistic options are 1) stay put at six and take MHJ/MN/RO OR 2) trade back if Schoen is blown away with value, ala the Denver terms being discussed on other threads.
Why would it be “moronic” for the pats to pass on Maye?
Jacoby Brissett and Bailey Zappe. Nuff said.
Qb is need for the Pats, agreed. If the patriots pass on one of the other 'top qbs' would that be moronic as well or is it just if they pass on Maye?