Really important draft for Schoen and company to get right, my head is swimming between all the draft prospects so here is what I would do. You need multiple approaches and my assumption is there are two buckets of QB: Williams and Daniels and then Maye, JJ, Penix, Nix.
Preferable Strategy: Trade back from 6 with the Vikings to pick up extra picks, take Penix or Nix at 11. If the Giants have QBs 3-6 graded similarly I think this approach is great because we get a QB and additional picks up build the roster.
Trade up to 3 for Daniels: This assumes the Commanders raise some eyebrows and take Maye. I'm assuming this is highly unlikely, but if it does happen, I think we need to be on the phone with the Pats about moving up.
Stay at 6 draft a WR, move back in for QB: If the Vikings or someone does have the ammo to move up ahead of us, that means we are getting one of the best WRs. I think a trade back with a team is less plausible if the Vikings jump us. I would have no problem giving up future assets to jump back into first and grab a Penix or Nix.
So those are the scenarios I think make the most sense for the Giants. Generally I don't think the Giants should be trading up unless Daniels is in play at 3. Trading back is risky, but done right we can have our cake and eat it too. Good luck, Joe!
They love Maye and Nabers. The like JJM and Odunze, but they don't see them as guy who transform things.
--They'll make an aggressive bid to trade up for Maye, but there are too many needs and viable alternatives so they have their limits and is not the most likely scenario.
I believe all scenarios are still on table:
--they will attempt to trade up to 3 or 4 for Maye. They may have to pry him from NE which may be out of their price range. Better shot if NE takes JJM and Maye falls to Az.
--If Maye is off the board, they will sit tight and see who falls to 6. If Nabers is there (assuming Az takes MHJ), he will be the pick.
--If Maye and Nabers are both gone, their highest players are JJM and Odunze but they have offers to trade back with a team looking to trade up that they would likely take.
#2: Giants trade up with AZ for Maye, no future 1 needed
#3: Nabers at 6
#4: Odunze at 6
#5: JJM at 6…trading up for him would suck
#2: Giants trade up with AZ for Maye, no future 1 needed
#3: Nabers at 6
#4: Odunze at 6
#5: JJM at 6…trading up for him would suck
+1. I would pass fully on JJ at 6 and take Nabers or Odunze
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#1 best case: Maye at 6, highly unlikely though
#2: Giants trade up with AZ for Maye, no future 1 needed
#3: Nabers at 6
#4: Odunze at 6
#5: JJM at 6…trading up for him would suck
+1. I would pass fully on JJ at 6 and take Nabers or Odunze
Much rather trade down if that were the situation, personally.
I like that trade. Still have the ability to pick up a QB / a DL /or a OL…
I wouldn't move up to 4 to take JJ or Maye. I'm assuming the odds are better that one of them will fall to six. And if the Vikings are able to jump us, you take WR and try to trade back into first for Penix or Nix.
I like that trade. Still have the ability to pick up a QB / a DL /or a OL…
I would be all for that too. In fact, I would like that better..
For once, nobody outside his inner circle knows what he's going to do, but he sure does. While the fans keep wringing their hands over this like it's their decision and responsibility to figure out what to do, Schoen already has his plans A, B, C, and D ready. He even said the other day something like "once the board is set, we're good." Implying they're ready. He's gonna sleep better this week than you lot.
I like that trade. Still have the ability to pick up a QB / a DL /or a OL…
A trade with Denver could also work. That would conceivably leave us with the 'last' of the top six QBs
Preferable strategy is to identify a QB who is an upgrade over what we have now (low bar to hurdle) and ideally be the QB who can take us into the playoffs and eventually SB. Not year one, but moving the team forward.
We've wasted the last 10+ years with poor drafting & FAs, time to start acting like a professional organization.
They love Maye and Nabers. The like JJM and Odunze, but they don't see them as guy who transform things.
--They'll make an aggressive bid to trade up for Maye, but there are too many needs and viable alternatives so they have their limits and is not the most likely scenario.
I believe all scenarios are still on table:
--they will attempt to trade up to 3 or 4 for Maye. They may have to pry him from NE which may be out of their price range. Better shot if NE takes JJM and Maye falls to Az.
--If Maye is off the board, they will sit tight and see who falls to 6. If Nabers is there (assuming Az takes MHJ), he will be the pick.
--If Maye and Nabers are both gone, their highest players are JJM and Odunze but they have offers to trade back with a team looking to trade up that they would likely take.
This is where I am. Although if Denver offers the Surtain and two firsts deal that has been discussed here, I would take that trade and draft Penix at twelve.
Preferable strategy is to identify a QB who is an upgrade over what we have now (low bar to hurdle) and ideally be the QB who can take us into the playoffs and eventually SB. Not year one, but moving the team forward.
We've wasted the last 10+ years with poor drafting & FAs, time to start acting like a professional organization.
It's assuming the Giants have QBs 3-6 ranked similarly. If so, it's an opportunity to gain additional assets and still get a QB.
With a trade and without.
Trade
1. Chicago - Caleb Williams
2. Washington - Jayden Daniels
3. Minnesota (from N.E) - J.J. McCarthy
4. Arizona - Marvin Harrison, Jr.
5. L.A. Chargers - Malik Nabers
6. N.Y. Giants - Drake Maye
without Trade
1. Same
2. Same
3. New England - Drake Maye
4. Same
5. Same
6. N.Y. Giants - J.J. McCarthy
They love Maye and Nabers. The like JJM and Odunze, but they don't see them as guy who transform things.
--They'll make an aggressive bid to trade up for Maye, but there are too many needs and viable alternatives so they have their limits and is not the most likely scenario.
I believe all scenarios are still on table:
--they will attempt to trade up to 3 or 4 for Maye. They may have to pry him from NE which may be out of their price range. Better shot if NE takes JJM and Maye falls to Az.
--If Maye is off the board, they will sit tight and see who falls to 6. If Nabers is there (assuming Az takes MHJ), he will be the pick.
--If Maye and Nabers are both gone, their highest players are JJM and Odunze but they have offers to trade back with a team looking to trade up that they would likely take.
Excellent analysis. I think this is probably correct, assuming they really want Maye. If they do, and he's available at #4, they should be able to trade with Arizona, unless they want something ridiculous in return, like our #1 next year. I also wonder if they would trade down if JJM is available at #6, even if Nabers is as well. Somebody might offer a ton to move up and take JJM.
It would appear that the Vikings see a significant difference between the top 4 QBs and thereafter.
If the Giants want a QB and one is available at 6 they should draft him.
very realistic that they could care less about a QB and just take a WR
It would appear that the Vikings see a significant difference between the top 4 QBs and thereafter.
If the Giants want a QB and one is available at 6 they should draft him.
Simple. It’s the style of play. O’Connell may be looking for a specific quarterback. That all depends, also, how JS and DB think about the quarterbacks. If they really like McCarthy, they can go up and get him. No that’s if the Giants do not like McCarthy.
very realistic that they could care less about a QB and just take a WR
Long live king Daniel Jones!
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there is a scenario where all this QB talk is a smokescreen so an extra skills position player falls to 6.
very realistic that they could care less about a QB and just take a WR
Long live king Daniel Jones!
Waiting for Jack Stroud's copy and pasted punchline.
very realistic that they could care less about a QB and just take a WR
Some serious frequent flier miles scouting and meeting QBs for the past 7 months. Smokescreen?
Preferable strategy is to identify a QB who is an upgrade over what we have now (low bar to hurdle) and ideally be the QB who can take us into the playoffs and eventually SB. Not year one, but moving the team forward.
We've wasted the last 10+ years with poor drafting & FAs, time to start acting like a professional organization.
Not necessarily. They may like Penix/Nix but would prefer to select them after a trade down.
They love Maye and Nabers. The like JJM and Odunze, but they don't see them as guy who transform things.
--They'll make an aggressive bid to trade up for Maye, but there are too many needs and viable alternatives so they have their limits and is not the most likely scenario.
I believe all scenarios are still on table:
--they will attempt to trade up to 3 or 4 for Maye. They may have to pry him from NE which may be out of their price range. Better shot if NE takes JJM and Maye falls to Az.
--If Maye is off the board, they will sit tight and see who falls to 6. If Nabers is there (assuming Az takes MHJ), he will be the pick.
--If Maye and Nabers are both gone, their highest players are JJM and Odunze but they have offers to trade back with a team looking to trade up that they would likely take.
Good summary.
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But since this one is about strategy, based on asshat/reports I find most believable, here is what I think the plan is:
They love Maye and Nabers. The like JJM and Odunze, but they don't see them as guy who transform things.
--They'll make an aggressive bid to trade up for Maye, but there are too many needs and viable alternatives so they have their limits and is not the most likely scenario.
I believe all scenarios are still on table:
--they will attempt to trade up to 3 or 4 for Maye. They may have to pry him from NE which may be out of their price range. Better shot if NE takes JJM and Maye falls to Az.
--If Maye is off the board, they will sit tight and see who falls to 6. If Nabers is there (assuming Az takes MHJ), he will be the pick.
--If Maye and Nabers are both gone, their highest players are JJM and Odunze but they have offers to trade back with a team looking to trade up that they would likely take.
This is where I am. Although if Denver offers the Surtain and two firsts deal that has been discussed here, I would take that trade and draft Penix at twelve.
Now you’re talking! Being in the “dirty dozen” we can still get an impactful player…I trust Joe et. al and if this is on the table I’m sure he would give it serious consideration..
If the Patriots take Maye at #3, I would love to see the Giants trade back at pick #6 and let the Vikings come up to get JJM. Use #11 on Penix and #23 on BPA between WR, DE, OL and CB. The rest of the draft you are ok to let it come to you without having to force any picks.
If they love Nabers and take him at #6 I’m fine with that, although it leaves us forced to get a QB in 2025 with perhaps the exact same position we are in this year. I hope they don’t pick JJM.
If the Patriots take Maye at #3, I would love to see the Giants trade back at pick #6 and let the Vikings come up to get JJM. Use #11 on Penix and #23 on BPA between WR, DE, OL and CB. The rest of the draft you are ok to let it come to you without having to force any picks.
If they love Nabers and take him at #6 I’m fine with that, although it leaves us forced to get a QB in 2025 with perhaps the exact same position we are in this year. I hope they don’t pick JJM.
Only if Min didn't trade with LAC first.
I like that trade. Still have the ability to pick up a QB / a DL /or a OL…
That rumor is total horse shit
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No. To me that is the last resort, meaning every attempt to get the QB we want has failed.
Preferable strategy is to identify a QB who is an upgrade over what we have now (low bar to hurdle) and ideally be the QB who can take us into the playoffs and eventually SB. Not year one, but moving the team forward.
We've wasted the last 10+ years with poor drafting & FAs, time to start acting like a professional organization.
It's assuming the Giants have QBs 3-6 ranked similarly. If so, it's an opportunity to gain additional assets and still get a QB.
That is possible, but not likely to me. The scenario you described seems to me to be more likely if the Giants don't like any of the QBs 3-6 and trade down just to get more picks. If the Giants still like one or more of 3-6, they try to work a deal, not trade back - could get jumped if they move back.
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No. To me that is the last resort, meaning every attempt to get the QB we want has failed.
Preferable strategy is to identify a QB who is an upgrade over what we have now (low bar to hurdle) and ideally be the QB who can take us into the playoffs and eventually SB. Not year one, but moving the team forward.
We've wasted the last 10+ years with poor drafting & FAs, time to start acting like a professional organization.
It's assuming the Giants have QBs 3-6 ranked similarly. If so, it's an opportunity to gain additional assets and still get a QB.
That is possible, but not likely to me. The scenario you described seems to me to be more likely if the Giants don't like any of the QBs 3-6 and trade down just to get more picks. If the Giants still like one or more of 3-6, they try to work a deal, not trade back - could get jumped if they move back.
If they end up trading back with the Vikings, they would need to get jumped by two teams in order to not have a shot at one the top six QBs. I think that's highly unlikely. That would also mean that 6 QBs would have gone in the top 10.
I like that trade. Still have the ability to pick up a QB / a DL /or a OL…
As do I. CB is a need and Denver helps us solve that problem. I would be fine with trading down at this point.