Never saw Maye play and only saw McCarthybplay in the championship game and I liked some things I saw of Penix better.
That being said, I haven’t committed to anyone and am just rooting for the Giants to make the right choice. I will see the videos later and support whoever we take.
I stopped pulling for specific picks after I was sure Ron Dayne was the next greatest running back and Aaron Gibson needed to be a Giant. II get more peace not building anyone up in my head.
If they both turn out to be superstars, I want the one who can stay healthy and on the field more -- like Eli.
Neither kid seems to be an asshole as of yet. So I don't have a horse in that race. Maye supposedly has better physical tools. So what? Marino had a WAY better arm than Montana and Peyton Manning. So did Simms. JJM has more than enough physical tools. More than many successful QBs. I don't care about any of that as long as a guy has enough.
My ONLY concern for "IF QB," is that Schoen and Daboll get it fucking right -- like they did with Josh Allen. Allen was a boom or bust prospect. Most of those guys turn out to be busts. Most 1st round QBs in general, turn out to be busts.
I really hope that whatever they saw that got them to go ALL IN for Allen, was a repeatable process/eye for talent rather than just dumb luck. Bill Walsh (who was considered pretty good at identifying QB talent) thought Jake Plummer was the second coming of Montana.
Luck aside, the Giants can't pick a QB just to pick a QB. They need to have MASSIVE CONVICTION about whoever it is. That in the worst case scenario, the guy's FLOOR is better than (what they feel) Jones' is now.
If they don't have that conviction (or can't get it done, which is a strong possibility), they should take a blue chip WR.
But if we don’t improve the rest of the offense - it will be irrelevant.
Here is a poster who will be bitching no matter what the Giants do.
Sorry you must be confused with the constant bitching and complaining of Go Terps or ThomasG.
This team has sucked of putting a competent team around a QB for nearly a dozen years. I just said I’ll be fine taking either. But if we continue surrounding them with shit players - it won’t matter.
I'm with ya..it's why I.am not excited about taking either WR or QB
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I think I’d just say I prefer whichever one we can get with a lesser or no trade up.
If it came down to trading up to 3 or 4 for Maye or McCarthy at 6, I’d prefer the latter. The opposite would be true as well.
That’s why Schoen has to really be aware of his surroundings and why he gets paid the big bucks. In a way he has to not only know NYG’s plan but others too.
Do we need to have massive conviction to draft other positions, or is it just at QB?
All positions especially when the team is at the crossroads we are right now.
I feel like 22 was a thousand years ago and don't want to screw this up...
#6 IA a premium pick and we seemed to have quasi whiffed on the 5 and 7 we had 2 yrs ago
But your point is a valid one
And if you're wrong on your non-QB 1st round pick, it sucks, but it's not quite as devastating.
But if you only have 6 picks, and you have a roster full of glaring holes that need upgrading, and you're talking about using your high, 1st round pick -- and possibly more picks to draft a QB, YEAH, you better have a massive conviction about the guy -- that he's gonna be better than the guy you have now, and you better fucking be right about it.
But lean toward JJM. whoever GMen take I'm fibne. Even Penix or Nix.
But just a very smnall belief that JJM will make better decisions while Maya is more electric. I lean twoard smarter/better game mgr/ decion maker when looking at these 2. .
I will say JJ has grown on me a bit. He can maneuver the pocket, he is good throwing on the run, good off platform and from different arm slots, great velocity, very strong accuracy and timing throwing over the middle of the field, and they say he has all of the intangibles. But my worry with him is the limitations - the lac of vertical throwing ability and flat deep ball, the inability to throw with touch outside of the numbers, and he did make some erratic decisions under pressure.
So I don’t HATE the idea of him at 6. He’s an upgrade and has potential to be a good starting QB. But I see a guy with a B+ ceiling, and I’m not sure if that’s a guy you sell the farm to move up and get. Maye, to me, at least has top 5-8 QB ability and upside.
McCarthy and thought he was a future franchise quarterback. I’ll go with the easy choice in Maye.
I can't get past this either. The coach didn't let him throw the ball for a reason. And, I'm not buying the "they had a good run game" excuse. I remember watching Josh Allen in college, saying there is the next Giants QB. He looked the part. You could see had special traits. Even watching Caleb Williams, you can see it. I don't see anything special with JJ.
I saw a guy in Wegmans yesterday wearing a Michigan shirt
So, I had to ask what he thought about JJ. Turns out the guy was a Giants fan and he immediate responded that JJ isn't worth pick 6. I said Giants may trade up for him and he laughed.
he's got the talent, he's supposed to be one of the best QB's in this class as far as reading defenses, he's the guy who's going to come in and make less mistakes, which is what this team needs.
Maye is my QB1 in the entire Draft. McCarthy is my QB4. I think McCarthy is a first round QB, but with him, it's mostly projection. He simply doesn't have the volume of throws (as well as clutch moments) that the other QBs have, which makes him exceedingly difficult to evaluate. Betting on a true unknown is scary, let alone at 6th overall.
I would go 51/49 in favor of Maye due to his upside but I think McCarthy has the better personality to handle the NY media. I will be thrilled with either to be honest.
I am a Michigan fan. I think the McCarthy criticism is a little unwarranted. If he were to come out next year, he might be the #1 overall pick.
Sure, he may have been. And Sam Howell might've been the #1 overall pick if he declared early too. Same with Connor Cook. Hell, look at Spencer Rattler.
Lots of shit can happen next season.
Whether we go Maye or McCarthy, I think Drew Lock should 100% start the season unless the rookie QB picks up things fast and impresses.
I am a Michigan fan. I think the McCarthy criticism is a little unwarranted. If he were to come out next year, he might be the #1 overall pick.
Sure, he may have been. And Sam Howell might've been the #1 overall pick if he declared early too. Same with Connor Cook. Hell, look at Spencer Rattler.
Lots of shit can happen next season.
Whether we go Maye or McCarthy, I think Drew Lock should 100% start the season unless the rookie QB picks up things fast and impresses.
You're really comparing McCarthy to Connor Cook and Sam Howell?
Look at you, Greg. I thought you hated Maye. I'm surprised you dislike McCarthy more.
I don't dislike Maye, but I've always thought he has a significant risk of busting. I do agree though that he has upper echelon tools for a QB and he has a fairly high ceiling if he can fix his flaws. Maybe Daboll can coach it out of him, I don't know.
He's not my ideal QB pick, but I'd rather him than McCarthy because I don't see the point of drafting a high floor/mid ceiling prospect at #6, or trading up for him. As that quote from a coach/scout from another thread said, if Jim Harbaugh truly believed all his blather about how incredible McCarthy is, Michigan would have thrown the ball more.
Look at you, Greg. I thought you hated Maye. I'm surprised you dislike McCarthy more.
As that quote from a coach/scout from another thread said, if Jim Harbaugh truly believed all his blather about how incredible McCarthy is, Michigan would have thrown the ball more.
I don't agree. Harbaugh prefers to run - and it was safe for them to blow you out while just running the ball. And when you are going against the super tough teams-- you work all year as a strength of teh run, the coahc loves to run, yet all of a sudden you are going to change your style especially if you think your team is superior when it runs?
I have had it Caleb, Daniels, Maye, JJM, Nix, and then Penix. I flucuate between Nix and Penix, but my top 4 hasn't changed one bit. So Maye, but I like JJM also and think he may end up better. So either is fine with me.
Please!! That has failure written all over it. I'd be happy with Maye, but also wouldn't mind getting one of the top three receivers and Nix, Penix, or Rattler later.
I am a Michigan fan. I think the McCarthy criticism is a little unwarranted. If he were to come out next year, he might be the #1 overall pick.
Sure, he may have been. And Sam Howell might've been the #1 overall pick if he declared early too. Same with Connor Cook. Hell, look at Spencer Rattler.
Lots of shit can happen next season.
Whether we go Maye or McCarthy, I think Drew Lock should 100% start the season unless the rookie QB picks up things fast and impresses.
You're really comparing McCarthy to Connor Cook and Sam Howell?
I'm saying that the premise that McCarthy would've been #1 overall in 2025 had he returned to school is questionable.
My apologies.
You sure think about him a lot. He must really have gotten to you.
That being said, I haven’t committed to anyone and am just rooting for the Giants to make the right choice. I will see the videos later and support whoever we take.
I stopped pulling for specific picks after I was sure Ron Dayne was the next greatest running back and Aaron Gibson needed to be a Giant. II get more peace not building anyone up in my head.
Neither kid seems to be an asshole as of yet. So I don't have a horse in that race. Maye supposedly has better physical tools. So what? Marino had a WAY better arm than Montana and Peyton Manning. So did Simms. JJM has more than enough physical tools. More than many successful QBs. I don't care about any of that as long as a guy has enough.
My ONLY concern for "IF QB," is that Schoen and Daboll get it fucking right -- like they did with Josh Allen. Allen was a boom or bust prospect. Most of those guys turn out to be busts. Most 1st round QBs in general, turn out to be busts.
I really hope that whatever they saw that got them to go ALL IN for Allen, was a repeatable process/eye for talent rather than just dumb luck. Bill Walsh (who was considered pretty good at identifying QB talent) thought Jake Plummer was the second coming of Montana.
Luck aside, the Giants can't pick a QB just to pick a QB. They need to have MASSIVE CONVICTION about whoever it is. That in the worst case scenario, the guy's FLOOR is better than (what they feel) Jones' is now.
If they don't have that conviction (or can't get it done, which is a strong possibility), they should take a blue chip WR.
Apparently you just stick with Daniel Jones until Patrick Mahomes comes along. What's funny is Mahomes was a polarizing prospect.
Yeah we know
Soooooo....JJ
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Do we need to have massive conviction to draft other positions, or is it just at QB?
Apparently you just stick with Daniel Jones until Patrick Mahomes comes along. What's funny is Mahomes was a polarizing prospect.
I'm not sure anyone would have wanted to draft Mahomes because at the time it wasn't guaranteed that he'd be good. Safe to just stick with forked Eli.
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But if we don’t improve the rest of the offense - it will be irrelevant.
Here is a poster who will be bitching no matter what the Giants do.
Sorry you must be confused with the constant bitching and complaining of Go Terps or ThomasG.
This team has sucked of putting a competent team around a QB for nearly a dozen years. I just said I’ll be fine taking either. But if we continue surrounding them with shit players - it won’t matter.
I'm with ya..it's why I.am not excited about taking either WR or QB
Get more picks via trade down
I think I’d just say I prefer whichever one we can get with a lesser or no trade up.
If it came down to trading up to 3 or 4 for Maye or McCarthy at 6, I’d prefer the latter. The opposite would be true as well.
That’s why Schoen has to really be aware of his surroundings and why he gets paid the big bucks. In a way he has to not only know NYG’s plan but others too.
All positions especially when the team is at the crossroads we are right now.
I feel like 22 was a thousand years ago and don't want to screw this up...
#6 IA a premium pick and we seemed to have quasi whiffed on the 5 and 7 we had 2 yrs ago
But your point is a valid one
And if you're wrong on your non-QB 1st round pick, it sucks, but it's not quite as devastating.
But if you only have 6 picks, and you have a roster full of glaring holes that need upgrading, and you're talking about using your high, 1st round pick -- and possibly more picks to draft a QB, YEAH, you better have a massive conviction about the guy -- that he's gonna be better than the guy you have now, and you better fucking be right about it.
but
as of now I'm not excited about either of them. Nix or Penix either. Daniels would get me much more interested
But just a very smnall belief that JJM will make better decisions while Maya is more electric. I lean twoard smarter/better game mgr/ decion maker when looking at these 2. .
So I don’t HATE the idea of him at 6. He’s an upgrade and has potential to be a good starting QB. But I see a guy with a B+ ceiling, and I’m not sure if that’s a guy you sell the farm to move up and get. Maye, to me, at least has top 5-8 QB ability and upside.
I still have faith in this front office and coaching staff, especially with developing a QB.
I can't get past this either. The coach didn't let him throw the ball for a reason. And, I'm not buying the "they had a good run game" excuse. I remember watching Josh Allen in college, saying there is the next Giants QB. He looked the part. You could see had special traits. Even watching Caleb Williams, you can see it. I don't see anything special with JJ.
This!!
You take the guy who HAILS from Quarterback U.
McCarthy please.
With all that said, I still prefer Maye.
Both scare the hell out of me though. Both Harrison and Nabers seems to be much safer picks with much higher upside.
Maye is my QB1 in the entire Draft. McCarthy is my QB4. I think McCarthy is a first round QB, but with him, it's mostly projection. He simply doesn't have the volume of throws (as well as clutch moments) that the other QBs have, which makes him exceedingly difficult to evaluate. Betting on a true unknown is scary, let alone at 6th overall.
Look at you, Greg. I thought you hated Maye. I'm surprised you dislike McCarthy more.
Sure, he may have been. And Sam Howell might've been the #1 overall pick if he declared early too. Same with Connor Cook. Hell, look at Spencer Rattler.
Lots of shit can happen next season.
Whether we go Maye or McCarthy, I think Drew Lock should 100% start the season unless the rookie QB picks up things fast and impresses.
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I am a Michigan fan. I think the McCarthy criticism is a little unwarranted. If he were to come out next year, he might be the #1 overall pick.
Sure, he may have been. And Sam Howell might've been the #1 overall pick if he declared early too. Same with Connor Cook. Hell, look at Spencer Rattler.
Lots of shit can happen next season.
Whether we go Maye or McCarthy, I think Drew Lock should 100% start the season unless the rookie QB picks up things fast and impresses.
You're really comparing McCarthy to Connor Cook and Sam Howell?
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If you're going after a QB at the top of the draft, you go after the high ceiling guy, not Johnny Game Manager
Look at you, Greg. I thought you hated Maye. I'm surprised you dislike McCarthy more.
This is my sentiment. If your going to gamble make sure it's worth the payout. Swing for the fences.
I don't dislike Maye, but I've always thought he has a significant risk of busting. I do agree though that he has upper echelon tools for a QB and he has a fairly high ceiling if he can fix his flaws. Maybe Daboll can coach it out of him, I don't know.
He's not my ideal QB pick, but I'd rather him than McCarthy because I don't see the point of drafting a high floor/mid ceiling prospect at #6, or trading up for him. As that quote from a coach/scout from another thread said, if Jim Harbaugh truly believed all his blather about how incredible McCarthy is, Michigan would have thrown the ball more.
As far as QB tools I lean towards Maye.
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Look at you, Greg. I thought you hated Maye. I'm surprised you dislike McCarthy more.
As that quote from a coach/scout from another thread said, if Jim Harbaugh truly believed all his blather about how incredible McCarthy is, Michigan would have thrown the ball more.
I don't agree. Harbaugh prefers to run - and it was safe for them to blow you out while just running the ball. And when you are going against the super tough teams-- you work all year as a strength of teh run, the coahc loves to run, yet all of a sudden you are going to change your style especially if you think your team is superior when it runs?
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I am a Michigan fan. I think the McCarthy criticism is a little unwarranted. If he were to come out next year, he might be the #1 overall pick.
Sure, he may have been. And Sam Howell might've been the #1 overall pick if he declared early too. Same with Connor Cook. Hell, look at Spencer Rattler.
Lots of shit can happen next season.
Whether we go Maye or McCarthy, I think Drew Lock should 100% start the season unless the rookie QB picks up things fast and impresses.
You're really comparing McCarthy to Connor Cook and Sam Howell?
I'm saying that the premise that McCarthy would've been #1 overall in 2025 had he returned to school is questionable.