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If QB, are you pulling for Maye or McCarthy?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2024 5:29 pm
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RE: Sorry I didn’t mean you  
ThomasG : 4/21/2024 9:27 pm : link
In comment 16478654 JT039 said:
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Don’t know what I was thinking. I was thinking Jimmy Googs.

My apologies.


You sure think about him a lot. He must really have gotten to you.
If the Giants are going to draft a QB  
US1 Giants : 4/21/2024 9:29 pm : link
Go all out for the #1 pick and get the best QB. A Godfather offer.
Neither  
Giantimistic : 4/21/2024 9:41 pm : link
Never saw Maye play and only saw McCarthybplay in the championship game and I liked some things I saw of Penix better.

That being said, I haven’t committed to anyone and am just rooting for the Giants to make the right choice. I will see the videos later and support whoever we take.

I stopped pulling for specific picks after I was sure Ron Dayne was the next greatest running back and Aaron Gibson needed to be a Giant. II get more peace not building anyone up in my head.
Which ever one will be a stud franchise QB  
David B. : 4/21/2024 9:43 pm : link
If they both turn out to be superstars, I want the one who can stay healthy and on the field more -- like Eli.

Neither kid seems to be an asshole as of yet. So I don't have a horse in that race. Maye supposedly has better physical tools. So what? Marino had a WAY better arm than Montana and Peyton Manning. So did Simms. JJM has more than enough physical tools. More than many successful QBs. I don't care about any of that as long as a guy has enough.

My ONLY concern for "IF QB," is that Schoen and Daboll get it fucking right -- like they did with Josh Allen. Allen was a boom or bust prospect. Most of those guys turn out to be busts. Most 1st round QBs in general, turn out to be busts.

I really hope that whatever they saw that got them to go ALL IN for Allen, was a repeatable process/eye for talent rather than just dumb luck. Bill Walsh (who was considered pretty good at identifying QB talent) thought Jake Plummer was the second coming of Montana.

Luck aside, the Giants can't pick a QB just to pick a QB. They need to have MASSIVE CONVICTION about whoever it is. That in the worst case scenario, the guy's FLOOR is better than (what they feel) Jones' is now.

If they don't have that conviction (or can't get it done, which is a strong possibility), they should take a blue chip WR.
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Go Terps : 4/21/2024 9:49 pm : link
Do we need to have massive conviction to draft other positions, or is it just at QB?
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Sean : 4/21/2024 9:55 pm : link
In comment 16478675 Go Terps said:
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Do we need to have massive conviction to draft other positions, or is it just at QB?

Apparently you just stick with Daniel Jones until Patrick Mahomes comes along. What's funny is Mahomes was a polarizing prospect.
I'm pulling for...  
4xchamps : 4/21/2024 9:55 pm : link
A stud wide receiver...
RE: I'm pulling for...  
Scooter185 : 4/21/2024 10:01 pm : link
In comment 16478682 4xchamps said:
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A stud wide receiver...


Yeah we know
I Like Maye  
Boatie Warrant : 4/21/2024 10:04 pm : link
But JJ would make the better story.

Soooooo....JJ
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Go Terps : 4/21/2024 10:21 pm : link
In comment 16478681 Sean said:
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Do we need to have massive conviction to draft other positions, or is it just at QB?


Apparently you just stick with Daniel Jones until Patrick Mahomes comes along. What's funny is Mahomes was a polarizing prospect.


I'm not sure anyone would have wanted to draft Mahomes because at the time it wasn't guaranteed that he'd be good. Safe to just stick with forked Eli.
JT039  
AROCK1000 : 4/21/2024 10:28 pm : link
In comment 16478635 JT039 said:
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But if we don’t improve the rest of the offense - it will be irrelevant.



Here is a poster who will be bitching no matter what the Giants do.



Sorry you must be confused with the constant bitching and complaining of Go Terps or ThomasG.

This team has sucked of putting a competent team around a QB for nearly a dozen years. I just said I’ll be fine taking either. But if we continue surrounding them with shit players - it won’t matter.

I'm with ya..it's why I.am not excited about taking either WR or QB
Get more picks via trade down
Maye  
Mike from Ohio : 4/21/2024 10:32 pm : link
But I have a feeling McCarthy is more of a Giants prospect.
I can’t honestly say I have a preference in player  
Chris684 : 4/21/2024 10:32 pm : link
As I’d love either one.

I think I’d just say I prefer whichever one we can get with a lesser or no trade up.

If it came down to trading up to 3 or 4 for Maye or McCarthy at 6, I’d prefer the latter. The opposite would be true as well.

That’s why Schoen has to really be aware of his surroundings and why he gets paid the big bucks. In a way he has to not only know NYG’s plan but others too.
Go Terps  
AROCK1000 : 4/21/2024 10:34 pm : link
In comment 16478675 Go Terps said:
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Do we need to have massive conviction to draft other positions, or is it just at QB?

All positions especially when the team is at the crossroads we are right now.
I feel like 22 was a thousand years ago and don't want to screw this up...
#6 IA a premium pick and we seemed to have quasi whiffed on the 5 and 7 we had 2 yrs ago
But your point is a valid one
I never once watched  
BigBlueBuff : 4/21/2024 10:40 pm : link
McCarthy and thought he was a future franchise quarterback. I’ll go with the easy choice in Maye.
JJ has that leader look  
uconngiant : 4/21/2024 10:45 pm : link
I like his arm and ability to control the game when on offense.
You don't need to have a massive conviction  
David B. : 4/21/2024 10:50 pm : link
to take a safety in the 4th round.

And if you're wrong on your non-QB 1st round pick, it sucks, but it's not quite as devastating.

But if you only have 6 picks, and you have a roster full of glaring holes that need upgrading, and you're talking about using your high, 1st round pick -- and possibly more picks to draft a QB, YEAH, you better have a massive conviction about the guy -- that he's gonna be better than the guy you have now, and you better fucking be right about it.

MASSIVE CONVICTION  
BleedBlue46 : 4/21/2024 10:59 pm : link
!!!
I will be talked into anyone if  
SirYesSir : 4/21/2024 11:04 pm : link
the staff makes the pick...I'll assume they see enough to make it worth missing out on a likely top 5 wr in the league moving forward....

but

as of now I'm not excited about either of them. Nix or Penix either. Daniels would get me much more interested
Not "pulling"  
giantstock : 4/21/2024 11:07 pm : link
But lean toward JJM. whoever GMen take I'm fibne. Even Penix or Nix.

But just a very smnall belief that JJM will make better decisions while Maya is more electric. I lean twoard smarter/better game mgr/ decion maker when looking at these 2. .
Maye for me  
Breeze_94 : 4/21/2024 11:56 pm : link
I will say JJ has grown on me a bit. He can maneuver the pocket, he is good throwing on the run, good off platform and from different arm slots, great velocity, very strong accuracy and timing throwing over the middle of the field, and they say he has all of the intangibles. But my worry with him is the limitations - the lac of vertical throwing ability and flat deep ball, the inability to throw with touch outside of the numbers, and he did make some erratic decisions under pressure.

So I don’t HATE the idea of him at 6. He’s an upgrade and has potential to be a good starting QB. But I see a guy with a B+ ceiling, and I’m not sure if that’s a guy you sell the farm to move up and get. Maye, to me, at least has top 5-8 QB ability and upside.
Maye  
Darwinian : 4/22/2024 12:13 am : link
superior traits
I would  
jtfuoco : 4/22/2024 12:44 am : link
Be happy with either as long as we walk away one of them without trading away alot.
Maye  
jeff57 : 4/22/2024 5:12 am : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2024 6:14 am : link
Maye.
Maye - Penix - JJM  
Formerly TD : 4/22/2024 6:50 am : link
In that order.
I dunno...  
bLiTz 2k : 4/22/2024 6:54 am : link
Both scare the hell out of me, but id be excited for either because it would end that Daboll and the staff got their guy.

I still have faith in this front office and coaching staff, especially with developing a QB.
JJ...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/22/2024 6:54 am : link
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RE: I never once watched  
ZogZerg : 4/22/2024 7:18 am : link
In comment 16478725 BigBlueBuff said:
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McCarthy and thought he was a future franchise quarterback. I’ll go with the easy choice in Maye.


I can't get past this either. The coach didn't let him throw the ball for a reason. And, I'm not buying the "they had a good run game" excuse. I remember watching Josh Allen in college, saying there is the next Giants QB. He looked the part. You could see had special traits. Even watching Caleb Williams, you can see it. I don't see anything special with JJ.
I saw a guy in Wegmans yesterday wearing a Michigan shirt  
ZogZerg : 4/22/2024 7:20 am : link
So, I had to ask what he thought about JJ. Turns out the guy was a Giants fan and he immediate responded that JJ isn't worth pick 6. I said Giants may trade up for him and he laughed.
I would choose Maye...  
KingBlue : 4/22/2024 8:01 am : link
but would not be disappointed with JJM. I like Maye primarily because of his arm talent.
McCarthy  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 4/22/2024 8:09 am : link
JJ is going to win a Super Bowl. I am praying we get him.
I'm pulling for McCarthy,  
barens : 4/22/2024 8:11 am : link
he's got the talent, he's supposed to be one of the best QB's in this class as far as reading defenses, he's the guy who's going to come in and make less mistakes, which is what this team needs.
RE: McCarthy  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 4/22/2024 8:12 am : link
In comment 16478812 Bold Ruler said:
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JJ is going to win a Super Bowl. I am praying we get him.


This!!

You take the guy who HAILS from Quarterback U.

McCarthy please.
I want either  
DefenseWins : 4/22/2024 8:34 am : link
Maye or JJ... any other QB at #6 will be a reach.
Maye, 100%  
Greg from LI : 4/22/2024 9:09 am : link
If you're going after a QB at the top of the draft, you go after the high ceiling guy, not Johnny Game Manager
I like McCarthy a lot.  
Vin_Cuccs : 4/22/2024 9:47 am : link
I am a Michigan fan. I think the McCarthy criticism is a little unwarranted. If he were to come out next year, he might be the #1 overall pick.

With all that said, I still prefer Maye.

Both scare the hell out of me though. Both Harrison and Nabers seems to be much safer picks with much higher upside.
RE: Maye, by a lot  
Anakim : 4/22/2024 9:52 am : link
In comment 16478429 Anakim said:
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Maye is my QB1 in the entire Draft. McCarthy is my QB4. I think McCarthy is a first round QB, but with him, it's mostly projection. He simply doesn't have the volume of throws (as well as clutch moments) that the other QBs have, which makes him exceedingly difficult to evaluate. Betting on a true unknown is scary, let alone at 6th overall.
RE: Maye, 100%  
Anakim : 4/22/2024 9:52 am : link
In comment 16478907 Greg from LI said:
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If you're going after a QB at the top of the draft, you go after the high ceiling guy, not Johnny Game Manager


Look at you, Greg. I thought you hated Maye. I'm surprised you dislike McCarthy more.
I am so torn between the two  
Jay on the Island : 4/22/2024 9:54 am : link
I would go 51/49 in favor of Maye due to his upside but I think McCarthy has the better personality to handle the NY media. I will be thrilled with either to be honest.
RE: I like McCarthy a lot.  
Anakim : 4/22/2024 9:56 am : link
In comment 16479001 Vin_Cuccs said:
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I am a Michigan fan. I think the McCarthy criticism is a little unwarranted. If he were to come out next year, he might be the #1 overall pick.


Sure, he may have been. And Sam Howell might've been the #1 overall pick if he declared early too. Same with Connor Cook. Hell, look at Spencer Rattler.

Lots of shit can happen next season.



Whether we go Maye or McCarthy, I think Drew Lock should 100% start the season unless the rookie QB picks up things fast and impresses.
RE: RE: I like McCarthy a lot.  
barens : 4/22/2024 10:11 am : link
In comment 16479019 Anakim said:
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I am a Michigan fan. I think the McCarthy criticism is a little unwarranted. If he were to come out next year, he might be the #1 overall pick.




Sure, he may have been. And Sam Howell might've been the #1 overall pick if he declared early too. Same with Connor Cook. Hell, look at Spencer Rattler.

Lots of shit can happen next season.



Whether we go Maye or McCarthy, I think Drew Lock should 100% start the season unless the rookie QB picks up things fast and impresses.


You're really comparing McCarthy to Connor Cook and Sam Howell?
RE: RE: Maye, 100%  
Festina Lente : 4/22/2024 10:27 am : link
In comment 16479010 Anakim said:
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If you're going after a QB at the top of the draft, you go after the high ceiling guy, not Johnny Game Manager



Look at you, Greg. I thought you hated Maye. I'm surprised you dislike McCarthy more.


This is my sentiment. If your going to gamble make sure it's worth the payout. Swing for the fences.
RE: RE: Maye, 100%  
Greg from LI : 4/22/2024 10:32 am : link
In comment 16479010 Anakim said:
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Look at you, Greg. I thought you hated Maye. I'm surprised you dislike McCarthy more.


I don't dislike Maye, but I've always thought he has a significant risk of busting. I do agree though that he has upper echelon tools for a QB and he has a fairly high ceiling if he can fix his flaws. Maybe Daboll can coach it out of him, I don't know.

He's not my ideal QB pick, but I'd rather him than McCarthy because I don't see the point of drafting a high floor/mid ceiling prospect at #6, or trading up for him. As that quote from a coach/scout from another thread said, if Jim Harbaugh truly believed all his blather about how incredible McCarthy is, Michigan would have thrown the ball more.
Maye really needs to clean up his decision making  
Rick in Dallas : 4/22/2024 10:49 am : link
McCarthy is based on projections
As far as QB tools I lean towards Maye.
I would go with what I see as Maye’s higher ceiling  
Section331 : 4/22/2024 10:58 am : link
over JJM’s higher floor. Swing for the fences.
RE: RE: RE: Maye, 100%  
giantstock : 4/22/2024 12:20 pm : link
In comment 16479117 Greg from LI said:
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Look at you, Greg. I thought you hated Maye. I'm surprised you dislike McCarthy more.



As that quote from a coach/scout from another thread said, if Jim Harbaugh truly believed all his blather about how incredible McCarthy is, Michigan would have thrown the ball more.


I don't agree. Harbaugh prefers to run - and it was safe for them to blow you out while just running the ball. And when you are going against the super tough teams-- you work all year as a strength of teh run, the coahc loves to run, yet all of a sudden you are going to change your style especially if you think your team is superior when it runs?
Since about November of last year  
Amtoft : 4/22/2024 12:40 pm : link
I have had it Caleb, Daniels, Maye, JJM, Nix, and then Penix. I flucuate between Nix and Penix, but my top 4 hasn't changed one bit. So Maye, but I like JJM also and think he may end up better. So either is fine with me.
No JJM  
TinVA : 4/22/2024 12:57 pm : link
Please!! That has failure written all over it. I'd be happy with Maye, but also wouldn't mind getting one of the top three receivers and Nix, Penix, or Rattler later.
RE: RE: RE: I like McCarthy a lot.  
Anakim : 4/22/2024 2:12 pm : link
In comment 16479066 barens said:
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I am a Michigan fan. I think the McCarthy criticism is a little unwarranted. If he were to come out next year, he might be the #1 overall pick.




Sure, he may have been. And Sam Howell might've been the #1 overall pick if he declared early too. Same with Connor Cook. Hell, look at Spencer Rattler.

Lots of shit can happen next season.



Whether we go Maye or McCarthy, I think Drew Lock should 100% start the season unless the rookie QB picks up things fast and impresses.



You're really comparing McCarthy to Connor Cook and Sam Howell?


I'm saying that the premise that McCarthy would've been #1 overall in 2025 had he returned to school is questionable.
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