Opinions on this are all over the place. Someone help me makes sense of it?
I’ve consistently seen he only has a “fastball” and doesn’t have enough arm to “layer” throws. Also seen he doesn’t throw a great deep ball. In the other hand I saw he throw 61 MPH at the combine, only 1 mph slower than Josh Allen I believe (no clue how relevant that is). Supposedly he throws well on the move. Someone smarter than me please help me get a better idea
In 2020 when McCarthy was in high school he was warming up before a workout and threw the ball 80-plus yards.
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That's what I've read too. It's not his arm strength, it's his touch on passes like what you describe.
By a wide margin.
Josh Allen and McCarthy had very similar throwing motions as prospects.
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Josh Allen and McCarthy had very similar throwing motions as prospects.
I guess.
At Wyoming, Allen was throwing lasers off balance, flat-footed, fading away, rolling out left, rolling out right...whatever. He was/is just a different class of thrower compared to McCarthy.
Would love to start a poll :
Who has the stronger arm
1)JJ McCarthy
2) Daniel Jones
There's video from 2023 that shows Anthony Richardson throwing 60 mph in the same "straight ahead" drill that 2024 video shows JJM throwing 61 mph, but the Ourlads combine velocity data for 2023 only gives Richardson credit for throwing 53 mph and 54 mph to each side of the field.
There are a bunch of QBs throwing 60+ mph in the "straight ahead" drills that are available for the 2023 and 2024 combines on youtube.
Velocity data is useful as apples-to-apples when you know you are comparing QBs being measured in the same way. When Trevor Lawrence was at Clemson, there was a report that he threw 64 mph. He probably did, but not with the same protocol as at the combine (historically speaking).
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Josh Allen and McCarthy had very similar throwing motions as prospects.
I guess.
At Wyoming, Allen was throwing lasers off balance, flat-footed, fading away, rolling out left, rolling out right...whatever. He was/is just a different class of thrower compared to McCarthy.
Never said anything about arm strength, they had similar throwing motions and similar questions in their games due to those throwing motions.
Is that the Stan Gable javelin throw or Lamar Latrelle?
By a wide margin.
Thank you Sy..
I’m just curious. And this is a serious question, your opinions on these quarterbacks are so strong and presented in a way that comes across more as fact, do you have any background in football at any serious level be it playing, scouting or coaching?
I could see it making ones hips stronger
Maybe more flexibility...
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Is that the Stan Gable javelin throw or Lamar Latrelle?
Are you saying JJM is limp wristed? 😂
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Based off what?
By a wide margin.
Hey Sy!!!! What NFL comp would you make in JJ? I’m thinking maybe Lock in terms of arm strength… I have Lock slightly ahead though just based on film.
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He has the sixth best arm behind;
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Based off what?
Film
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He has the sixth best arm behind;
Williams
Daniels
Penix
Maye
Milton
Based off what?
Film
Hmm. Numbers suggest elsewise but sounds good.
Would love to start a poll :
Who has the stronger arm
1)JJ McCarthy
2) Daniel Jones
Jones threw 54 mph at combine
I could see it making ones hips stronger
Maybe more flexibility...
You and bw are so damn predictable on any JJM thread. I almost want the Giants to draft him just to watch the two of you bitch about him for years. All of BBI knows you two don’t like JJM. And the comments on him handing the ball off ignore, among other things, his performance on 3rd down.
He can make all the throws.
Some QBs have stronger arms.
But you do not draft QBs based on arm strength.
You draft QBs based on a myriad of traits and not exclusively because they can throw well.
Maye and Penix may have stronger arms but that does not make them better QB prospects.
Especially in Penix's case, he comes from a team where they built a team around his strengths. Washington runs an offense that is similar in style to what Tennessee runs.
Penix was not asked to do much. He did not have to read defenses, he did not throw to the middle of the field, he did not have to extend plays, and simplistically he was asked to throw the ball downfield.
So all he needed to be successful was a strong arm.
And he did not have to be accurate because he had premiere receivers who won 75-80 % of contested catches.
Without other traits, Pennix will not succeed in the NFL.
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Must make a guys arm stronger than I thought
I could see it making ones hips stronger
Maybe more flexibility...
You and bw are so damn predictable on any JJM thread. I almost want the Giants to draft him just to watch the two of you bitch about him for years. All of BBI knows you two don’t like JJM. And the comments on him handing the ball off ignore, among other things, his performance on 3rd down.
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I’m just curious. And this is a serious question, your opinions on these quarterbacks are so strong and presented in a way that comes across more as fact, do you have any background in football at any serious level be it playing, scouting or coaching?
Yes, I do have strong opinions, but I try to keep the facts side based on numerical performance and measurables available.
And I constantly say how hard it is to project how any prospect is going to perform going forward. Which is why I try to focus on physical attributes and give much less weight to other areas - e.g. decision making - because I believe those won't be known until the lights are on for a real NFL game. The NFL brand of football is such a different game than college (although the NFL has adopted many more offensive concepts from the college game).
I was a D1 scholarship athlete, but I did not play football. But have friends in the recruiting side of the game, college coaching and the media. So, I have been very fortunate to be exposed to some interesting people in the game.
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I’m just curious. And this is a serious question, your opinions on these quarterbacks are so strong and presented in a way that comes across more as fact, do you have any background in football at any serious level be it playing, scouting or coaching?
Yes, I do have strong opinions, but I try to keep the facts side based on numerical performance and measurables available.
And I constantly say how hard it is to project how any prospect is going to perform going forward. Which is why I try to focus on physical attributes and give much less weight to other areas - e.g. decision making - because I believe those won't be known until the lights are on for a real NFL game. The NFL brand of football is such a different game than college (although the NFL has adopted many more offensive concepts from the college game).
I was a D1 scholarship athlete, but I did not play football. But have friends in the recruiting side of the game, college coaching and the media. So, I have been very fortunate to be exposed to some interesting people in the game.
Fair enough.
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His arm is stronger than it needs to be.
By a wide margin.
Hey Sy!!!! What NFL comp would you make in JJ? I’m thinking maybe Lock in terms of arm strength… I have Lock slightly ahead though just based on film.
If you look up the Sy's reviews, he has Rich Gannon as the comp for JJM and Joe Burrow as the upside potential.
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Must make a guys arm stronger than I thought
I could see it making ones hips stronger
Maybe more flexibility...
You and bw are so damn predictable on any JJM thread. I almost want the Giants to draft him just to watch the two of you bitch about him for years. All of BBI knows you two don’t like JJM. And the comments on him handing the ball off ignore, among other things, his performance on 3rd down.
I don't like McCarthy drafted as a lottery pick. Lottery picks should, IMV, be prospects who have great physical skills and are dynamic. That's been my point all along.
But I have repeatedly said if he's more talented than Jones. So, if we do end up with him, I can live with it. Anything to move on from Jones.
I like JJM as I watched how he progresses through the receivers and make the right decision especially on third down
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Is that the Stan Gable javelin throw or Lamar Latrelle?
Limp wristed throwing style?
He also isn't nearly as good a thrower as Penix either.
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So he has to use his whole body to make throws….next post says he can throw 80 yards lol not the consensus I was looking for haha
Would love to start a poll :
Who has the stronger arm
1)JJ McCarthy
2) Daniel Jones
Jones threw 54 mph at combine
As I posted above, I don't believe JJM in 2024 and Jones in 2019 were measured with the same protocol doing the same drill.
As evidence of this, Anthony Richardson is shown on youtube throwing 60 mph at the 2023 combine in the same "straight ahead" drill that JJM is shown throwing 61 mph in 2024.
But the Ourlads combine data for 2023 and previous years shows Richardson throwing 53 mph to one side of the field and 54 mph to the other: the same as Jones in 2019.
Again, because of the significant difference measuring protocol can make, you only really know that you are comparing apples to apples when you are comparing QBs at the same combine doing the same drill.
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So he has to use his whole body to make throws….next post says he can throw 80 yards lol not the consensus I was looking for haha
Would love to start a poll :
Who has the stronger arm
1)JJ McCarthy
2) Daniel Jones
Jones threw 54 mph at combine
As I posted above, I don't believe JJM in 2024 and Jones in 2019 were measured with the same protocol doing the same drill.
As evidence of this, Anthony Richardson is shown on youtube throwing 60 mph at the 2023 combine in the same "straight ahead" drill that JJM is shown throwing 61 mph in 2024.
But the Ourlads combine data for 2023 and previous years shows Richardson throwing 53 mph to one side of the field and 54 mph to the other: the same as Jones in 2019.
Again, because of the significant difference measuring protocol can make, you only really know that you are comparing apples to apples when you are comparing QBs at the same combine doing the same drill.
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these velo numbers appear very misleading overall and I would avoid them when comparing QBs.
As long as his arm is sound, I'm not worried about the injury history that much. ACLs can be repaired.
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Must make a guys arm stronger than I thought
I could see it making ones hips stronger
Maybe more flexibility...
You and bw are so damn predictable on any JJM thread. I almost want the Giants to draft him just to watch the two of you bitch about him for years. All of BBI knows you two don’t like JJM. And the comments on him handing the ball off ignore, among other things, his performance on 3rd down.
I don't like McCarthy drafted as a lottery pick. Lottery picks should, IMV, be prospects who have great physical skills and are dynamic. That's been my point all along.
But I have repeatedly said if he's more talented than Jones. So, if we do end up with him, I can live with it. Anything to move on from Jones.
We agree that he’s better than Jones.
I laughed hard at this.
The question about layering his throws is different than arm strength. He also, to my mind, generates a lot of his power through an extended motion. Those are things that will have to get cleaned up for the NFL, which is why I see him as more of a guy that will need to sit at least a year if not more in the NFL.
The physical traits are absolutely there to work with. The question in my mind is can he adapt his raw skills skills to the NFL? Can he get better about making decisions? If he can, he will be very successful. In my mind those are just big questions for a top of round 1 pick.