Nabers, multiple sources told SNY, is a player the Giants covet. Most around the league expect him to be New York's pick if they can't get a quarterback (more and more unlikely by the day).
They can try to grab someone like Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) or Bo Nix (Oregon) in the second round.
And the best scenario for NYG (in my opinion) played out 1-5.
That was:
Williams
Maye
Daniels
Harrison
Alt
Which leaves NYG with a choice between McCarthy, Nabers and Odunze. They went with Nabers over JJM. Gun to my head I’d go McCarthy myself but that’s probably the best and most realistic way this shakes out.
having someone with this kind of juice on our roster would be exciting.
I am really hoping for a big jump from Jalin Hyatt along with continued returns from Wandale. Its really too bad that Waller has been such a disappointment from his HoF pre-season. It could be a dangerous group.
Don't see how Giants could pass on Odunze or Nabers.
Quote:
Grade Pos Last Name
92 WR Harrison Jr.
91 WR Odunze
90 WR Nabers
88 OT Fashanu
88 TE Bowers
87 OT Alt
87 QB Daniels
87 QB Williams
86 G/C Powers-Johnson
86 OT Fautanu
85 OT Mims
85 OT Latham
85 WR Thomas Jr.
85 CB Mitchell
85 S DeJean
84 OT Fuaga
84 QB McCarthy
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
Will go 4/5 leaving the Giants to choose between J.J. McCarthy and Rome Odunze… or a trade down.
This is my nightmare scenario - that NYG pass on Odunze and trade down. They would be sitting on gold as in this scenario, there would be still be Maye/JJM left as well as all of the OTs before the run on OTs.
Nabers has been my guy all along as I'd rather us fortify WR/OL before we consider next steps with QB (albeit I do like JJM). Eric's posts/podcast around OL has me intrigued (via trade down) but reality is we don't have weapons on offense and jury is out whether we even have a #2 WR let alone a #1. Nabers creates separation which clearly is important to not only this regime but the NFL today in general. Plus, explosiveness of Nabers opens up the underneath to Robinson and the deep-shot to Hyatt as defenses will need to focus on Nabers.
After years of ineptitude, we need to set the table for a new QB to be successful even if that QB doesn't come until 2025+. As a Giants fan, I'm not going anywhere and so don't chase a "quick fix".
For reference, I think Chase was Sy's highest rated WR over the last
hope he can be paired with a 2nd round trade up QB.
This is how I feel if Nabers is the pick.
I’m really really curious what our QB grades are. Even more curious who their favorite is outside of the top 6. Pratt and Travis are the most intriguing for me.
RE: RE: RE: For reference, I think Chase was Sy's highest rated WR over the last
Great, but he went to a team that already drafted their QB- not the other way around..
You don't force the QB when massive talent is sitting there.
You can say FORCE all you want- NO WR has ever led their team to anything without a QB. Don't give me Larry Fitzgerald- he accumulated stats for most years that didn't lead to wins or titles and his SB appearance was with Kurt Warner (a SB winning QB and now HOF'er).
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
Of course but this assumes we don’t take a QB at all, no? I’m as locked into the QB upgrade as anymore but you kinda need to be open minded about getting a QB outside of the top 10. Other teams do it, why not us?
Now I’ll be pissed if we don’t come away with a QB at all but that’s for the post draft discussions.
Don't see how Giants could pass on Odunze or Nabers.
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Grade Pos Last Name
92 WR Harrison Jr.
91 WR Odunze
90 WR Nabers
88 OT Fashanu
88 TE Bowers
87 OT Alt
87 QB Daniels
87 QB Williams
86 G/C Powers-Johnson
86 OT Fautanu
85 OT Mims
85 OT Latham
85 WR Thomas Jr.
85 CB Mitchell
85 S DeJean
84 OT Fuaga
84 QB McCarthy
Try looking at his historical grades on QBs and see where QBs are drafted with those grades
RE: For reference, I think Chase was Sy's highest rated WR over the last
as Giants' top of the considerations. When you eliminate QB, that only leaves WR. if MHJ is gone, that leaves Nabors or Odunze. Rumors all say Nabors.
The only real takeaway is that WR is a wonderful consolation prize. I think it is a given that the top objective is QB.
The only question is whether QB 4 is available and/or whether he is good enough to consider. If it boils down to moderate QB or great WR prospect, I'd choose QB. The cupboard is too bare to punt on QB. Once QB is eliminated, WR is a no brainer unless there's a massive haul to be had in trading down.
hope he can be paired with a 2nd round trade up QB.
This is how I feel if Nabers is the pick.
+1
What I don't want to see is the Giants having to force the QB pick in 2025. At some point you need to at least try to address the most important position on the field.
It is still possible that only 3 QBs go before #6. We're about to find out how much teams really like McCarthy or if it has all been smoke.
Chi - Williams
Wsh- Daniels
NE - Maye
Ari - Harrison
LAC - Nabers
I think a lot of people are assuming trades and fireworks. Idk. You're asking Ossenfort to move off Harrison, that'll take a lot. I know Harbaugh likes to build through the trenches, but Herbert-Nabers for the next 5 years? That's a big start to the Harbaugh era.
Do the Vikings really want to trade 23 & next years first in addition to 11 when they can stand pat and take Penix or Nix?
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
Yup. The draft may actually go like that with the Giants having McCarthy and Odunze on the board. If you believe GoDeep, the Giants may even trade down in such a scenario.
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
It is still possible that only 3 QBs go before #6. We're about to find out how much teams really like McCarthy or if it has all been smoke.
Chi - Williams
Wsh- Daniels
NE - Maye
Ari - Harrison
LAC - Nabers
I think a lot of people are assuming trades and fireworks. Idk. You're asking Ossenfort to move off Harrison, that'll take a lot. I know Harbaugh likes to build through the trenches, but Herbert-Nabers for the next 5 years? That's a big start to the Harbaugh era.
Do the Vikings really want to trade 23 & next years first in addition to 11 when they can stand pat and take Penix or Nix?
That’s certainly a possibility but I find it hard to believe the Vikings will just sit at 11 and wait for whatever is left at QB. That’s not generally how it works when you’re targeting a QB.
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
RE: RE: If you can keep your draft picks and land Nabers
Maybe, but if you get a stud WR you have checked off a major need. If you keep your other draft picks you have the potential to move up to get another QB.
BTW, I want Maye or McCarthy, but if it is Nabers I will still be Giants fan for the rest of my life and it will be ok.
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
Your comment is idiotic and insulting! How many TD passes did Jones have in 16 games played in 2022? He had 15 TD passes. How many TD passes did Mariotta have in 2022 in 13 games played in 2022? You guessed it, 15 TD Passes.. How about 2021 (Pitts's rookie year).. Daniel Jones had 10 TD passes in 11 games played (he has habit of 1 TD pass less than games played) while the Falcons, with Matt Ryan had 20 TD passes...
So please, explain to me again how Jones is so much better at QB..
in his blue suit on draft night, ready for DG to pick him like everyone expected. If someone is convinced that Nabers is going to be all-pro, the Chargers might get a strong offer for 5.
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
Sorry dude, I shared the facts that blow your bullshit opinion out of the water.. But that is ok, I am sure the STATS aren't facts either.
RE: I was just watching the final mock draft live on NFL Net
And the best scenario for NYG (in my opinion) played out 1-5.
That was:
Williams
Maye
Daniels
Harrison
Alt
Which leaves NYG with a choice between McCarthy, Nabers and Odunze. They went with Nabers over JJM. Gun to my head I’d go McCarthy myself but that’s probably the best and most realistic way this shakes out.
It depends what the Giants really think of McCarthy
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
Your comment is idiotic and insulting! How many TD passes did Jones have in 16 games played in 2022? He had 15 TD passes. How many TD passes did Mariotta have in 2022 in 13 games played in 2022? You guessed it, 15 TD Passes.. How about 2021 (Pitts's rookie year).. Daniel Jones had 10 TD passes in 11 games played (he has habit of 1 TD pass less than games played) while the Falcons, with Matt Ryan had 20 TD passes...
So please, explain to me again how Jones is so much better at QB..
Again the NFL disagrees with your assessment/opinion. Marcus Mariota is a journeymen and career backup now at QB. Ridder was benched last year and then traded this offseason. Falcons were never winning anything with those QBs.
So I don’t agree with your initial question… how many games did the Falcons win with London and Pitts?! Not many because of Ridder and Mariota. It was failed experiment and why they went hard after Cousins.
Don't see how Giants could pass on Odunze or Nabers.
Quote:
Grade Pos Last Name
92 WR Harrison Jr.
91 WR Odunze
90 WR Nabers
88 OT Fashanu
88 TE Bowers
87 OT Alt
87 QB Daniels
87 QB Williams
86 G/C Powers-Johnson
86 OT Fautanu
85 OT Mims
85 OT Latham
85 WR Thomas Jr.
85 CB Mitchell
85 S DeJean
84 OT Fuaga
84 QB McCarthy
Seeing this list, has just convinced me this is the ultimate draft to be trading down in.
Think about it. We are all debating mortgaging our future to move up for JJM or Maye (who doesnt even make this list...)
I get QB is vital. But the biggest problem this team has faced for a decade or so has been the OL. ANd half this list, is OL.
Im a defense first guy. So seeing we can trade down to the as far as the mid to late teens. And grab an OL or the top D in the draft class. I am now 100% in favor of trading down. Someon ewill pay a ransom for one of those WRs if the QB run happens.
Yup. The draft may actually go like that with the Giants having McCarthy and Odunze on the board. If you believe GoDeep, the Giants may even trade down in such a scenario.
I believe he said we would take McCarthy if he was there.
in his blue suit on draft night, ready for DG to pick him like everyone expected. If someone is convinced that Nabers is going to be all-pro, the Chargers might get a strong offer for 5.
This was my summary of that very ugly 2021 Draft, which was such an emotional ride for those who wanted DeVonta Smith!
I can't recall such roller coaster excitement as a Giants fan:
(1) Draft started calmly with the Jax and Jets going QB;
(2) The first oh-oh moment -- San Fran takes Trey Lance, meaning odds just went way up Mac Jones falls out of Top 10, thus one more non-QB taken before us;
(3) The second oh-oh moment (not unexpected) -- Atlanta decides to buttress Matt Ryan with Kyle Pitts rather than find his ultimate replacement, thus one more non-QB taken before us;
(4) The first "Oh, SH**" moment -- Cincy unexpectedly passes on OT Penei Sewell and takes first WR off Board, Ja'Marr Chase;
(5) The third oh-oh moment -- second WR Jaylen Waddle goes to Miami. Several Mocks had this guy middle of Round One;
(6) Things are looking up on the very next pick as Detroit decides against WR and takes OT OT Penei Sewell;
(7) The Carolina pick of CB Jaycee Horn causes all kinds of confusion. They were supposed to take a QB, but does Horn's selection help or hurt the Giants chances of getting DeVonta Smith?
(8) The first real earthquake hits with Denver taking CB Patrick Surtain. Like Carolina, Denver was supposed to go QB. And what is worse, Dallas no longer has a CB of value to select from at #10;
(9) So, now, it's the moment of truth. Our arch enemy Dallas is on the Board and everyone knows they need O-Line and Safety help. Rashawn Slater or Alijah Vera-Tucker? Nope. Trevon Moehrig? Nope. Dallas puts one between the Giants ribs and trades the pick to WR-hungry Philadelphia;
(10) The Dirty Eagles are on the Board and there's nothing Giants fans can do about it. Will they? Won't they? Will they? Won't they? Didn't take long for the ax to fall, and now we get to see DeVonta Smith in green twice a year.
So, how badly did the Giants want DeVonta Smith? I would say real bad! Why? Because no single player stood out for them for the next 9 picks! Thus, their significant trade down to #20 and Kadarius Toney.
I have Nabers as the best WR in this draft ahead of harrison. Nabers
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
So is Jones...but we paid him 160 million. I guarantee you that we would get next to nothing in a trade for Jones.
I just want to state Dallas Turner is personally my first choice
I’m really really curious what our QB grades are. Even more curious who their favorite is outside of the top 6. Pratt and Travis are the most intriguing for me.
Travis suffered a gruesome leg injury last year. And before that, I really liked his game. But that injury might place him in the same box as Penix with us: we don't need another QB who is a potentially high medical risk.
RE: I just want to state Dallas Turner is personally my first choice
Yup. The draft may actually go like that with the Giants having McCarthy and Odunze on the board. If you believe GoDeep, the Giants may even trade down in such a scenario.
I believe he said we would take McCarthy if he was there.
Yes, that was his "allowed to divulge" take. I still think this was too many beans to spill, but a trade down with one of Maye/JJM and OTs still left will be hard to pass up. In this scenario, all 3 QB needy teams would not have been able to trade into 5/6 and would still need QB.
Yup. The draft may actually go like that with the Giants having McCarthy and Odunze on the board. If you believe GoDeep, the Giants may even trade down in such a scenario.
I believe he said we would take McCarthy if he was there.
Yup, I got Maye and McCarthy confused with GoDeep... confusing trying to remember what asshat said what.
Yup. The draft may actually go like that with the Giants having McCarthy and Odunze on the board. If you believe GoDeep, the Giants may even trade down in such a scenario.
I believe he said we would take McCarthy if he was there.
Yes, that was his "allowed to divulge" take. I still think this was too many beans to spill, but a trade down with one of Maye/JJM and OTs still left will be hard to pass up. In this scenario, all 3 QB needy teams would not have been able to trade into 5/6 and would still need QB.
I mean - trade into 4/5
RE: RE: I just want to state Dallas Turner is personally my first choice
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
So is Jones...but we paid him 160 million. I guarantee you that we would get next to nothing in a trade for Jones.
Actually DJ isn’t a career backup until he is. At this very moment, the fact is DJ is our starter and being paid as such for several years now and will START games this year no matter what we do in the draft.
Diva behavior doesn’t matter when you’re good. Toney can’t run an nfl route or absorb the nfl complexities. In other words, he fucking sucked here and sucks in KC. Nabers can recite Shakespeare on the sidelines while dry humping the security guard’s leg on Sundays and while some might care, it won’t matter if he’s nuking nfl defenses. Toney can’t do that, so when he dry humps people get the vapors.
but I still am not sure we see Jones even touch the field again even if the Giants punt this year on QB.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
Nabers, multiple sources told SNY, is a player the Giants covet. Most around the league expect him to be New York's pick if they can't get a quarterback (more and more unlikely by the day).
They can try to grab someone like Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) or Bo Nix (Oregon) in the second round.
but I still am not sure we see Jones even touch the field again even if the Giants punt this year on QB.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that. Something was off.
For a team to draft Nabers after the Kadarius Toney / Deandre Baker experience.
Not remotely the same. Not at all.
talent wise obviously, he seems to clearly be the 2nd best non-qb in draft, but whether the charge got dropped or not it was really bad judgement. a 19 year old without a permit carrying a concealed gun on bourbon street, visible enough police noticed it. judgement wise just as bad as some of the gun charges toney had that were also dropped.
SEC country is a little different than the rest of the country when it comes to being able to protect their star football players so you never quite know if whatever you are hearing about publicly is just the tip of the iceberg.
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
So is Jones...but we paid him 160 million. I guarantee you that we would get next to nothing in a trade for Jones.
Actually DJ isn’t a career backup until he is. At this very moment, the fact is DJ is our starter and being paid as such for several years now and will START games this year no matter what we do in the draft.
Unless Drew Lock beats him out. I think it's going to be an open QB competition in training camp.
but I still am not sure we see Jones even touch the field again even if the Giants punt this year on QB.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
The injury clause alone is a reason for him not to see the field.
but I still am not sure we see Jones even touch the field again even if the Giants punt this year on QB.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
but I still am not sure we see Jones even touch the field again even if the Giants punt this year on QB.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
Sitting a QB because of an injury clause is not what I see as the Giants way of doing business. Probably several other NFL teams would do that but that’s not how I view the Giants. So unless DJ loses a competition with a QB, ie Lock or potential new QB, I think DJ starts the season.
right now seems to be what teams actually think of JJM. Until we get clarity on that, everything else is a bit in flux. I do think Nabers will be there at 6 if the Giants want him.
RE: RE: I just want to state Dallas Turner is personally my first choice
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
So is Jones...but we paid him 160 million. I guarantee you that we would get next to nothing in a trade for Jones.
Actually DJ isn’t a career backup until he is. At this very moment, the fact is DJ is our starter and being paid as such for several years now and will START games this year no matter what we do in the draft.
Unless Drew Lock beats him out. I think it's going to be an open QB competition in training camp.
but I still am not sure we see Jones even touch the field again even if the Giants punt this year on QB.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
If Daniel Jones plays this season something went very wrong with the Giants offseason plans
but I still am not sure we see Jones even touch the field again even if the Giants punt this year on QB.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
but I still am not sure we see Jones even touch the field again even if the Giants punt this year on QB.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
but I still am not sure we see Jones even touch the field again even if the Giants punt this year on QB.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
but I still am not sure we see Jones even touch the field again even if the Giants punt this year on QB.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
saying the Giants held him out of action long after he felt fully recovered from his neck injury, and that the Giants are ultra-conservative with neck issues as a general rule. Just something I’ve kept in the back of my mind during the Jones saga.
Nabers, multiple sources told SNY, is a player the Giants covet. Most around the league expect him to be New York's pick if they can't get a quarterback (more and more unlikely by the day).
They can try to grab someone like Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) or Bo Nix (Oregon) in the second round.
Penix and Nix won't make it past the the first half of the first round
I’m really really curious what our QB grades are. Even more curious who their favorite is outside of the top 6. Pratt and Travis are the most intriguing for me.
Travis suffered a gruesome leg injury last year. And before that, I really liked his game. But that injury might place him in the same box as Penix with us: we don't need another QB who is a potentially high medical risk.
Is everyone who sustains an injury in college a high injury risk guy? This seems more like being spooked than anything based on experience or science.
saying the Giants held him out of action long after he felt fully recovered from his neck injury, and that the Giants are ultra-conservative with neck issues as a general rule. Just something I’ve kept in the back of my mind during the Jones saga.
The Giants have done weird things with necks in recent years. Ezeudu was put back into a game in 2022 with a neck issue, got hurt again, and was lost for the year. Jones played in the Raiders game last year.
but I still am not sure we see Jones even touch the field again even if the Giants punt this year on QB.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
I think there is more going on there.. I agree with you.
And, injured necks tend to remain an issue, I know firsthand. Two stingers tends to portend more stingers too.
agreed.. and as a person with multiple fusions in my neck- not all done at the same time, when you have an issue with one, it5 puts pressure on the others.
For a team to draft Nabers after the Kadarius Toney / Deandre Baker experience.
Picking Nabers would remind me more of picking Barkley in 2018.
It’s not even close. One is a premium position, the other is one of the least valued positions. Barkley pick happened at 2, Nabers pick would be at 6…with all of the QB’s likely off the board.
for a QB because it's a need especially when you have a higher rated player at a position of need.
The bust rate for 1st round QBs is too high to take that kind of risk. If you cannot get a QB like Maye or Daniels then you take the BPA of MHJ, Nabers or Odunze.
Continue to build the roster.
For a team to draft Nabers after the Kadarius Toney / Deandre Baker experience.
Picking Nabers would remind me more of picking Barkley in 2018.
It’s not even close. One is a premium position, the other is one of the least valued positions. Barkley pick happened at 2, Nabers pick would be at 6…with all of the QB’s likely off the board.
Yeah, stupid comment. It's a passing league. Premium positions are QB, WR, LT, pass rusher, and CB. Yes, colleges are churning out WRs like never before, but that doesn't mean you pass on an all-pro talent like Nabers just because of that fact.
A good measuring stick is to look at the contracts premium WRs and RBs are getting. It is simply no contest.
Just as talented (maybe more so) and appears to come with zero baggage and zero head case/diva. I think he will be the better long term player and as explosive but with more TDs due to his incredible ability to come away with contested passes.
It is becoming clear that the focus at this point is on one of the QBs
either Maye or JJ (conflicting reports around which one) or Nabers. I haven't really seen much reported on how they view Harrison.
If the draft plays out where the QB they want is gone, and Nabers is taken by either Arizona or LA, would they take Harrison Jr or is that a situation in which they look to trade down?
I find it odd that there has been very little talk about how they view Harrison one way or the other, is it just assumed that he will be off the board?
Nabers, multiple sources told SNY, is a player the Giants covet. Most around the league expect him to be New York's pick if they can't get a quarterback (more and more unlikely by the day).
They can try to grab someone like Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) or Bo Nix (Oregon) in the second round.
Penix and Nix won't make it past the the first half of the first round
remember - Levis last year was invited to the green room and ended up going in the second. 6 QBs in the first half of the first round would surprise me.
how the Giants rate these guys? If they don't believe either is a real QB 1 candidate, I'd rather they build the roster elsewhere than draft one just for the sake of drafting a QB.
They can try to grab someone like Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) or Bo Nix (Oregon) in the second round.
This aligns to what Gedeep said as well. Nabers or McCarthy.
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This aligns to what Gedeep said as well. Nabers or McCarthy.
That said, I will always prefer a QB in this situation….most important position in all of sports.
That was:
Williams
Maye
Daniels
Harrison
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Which leaves NYG with a choice between McCarthy, Nabers and Odunze. They went with Nabers over JJM. Gun to my head I’d go McCarthy myself but that’s probably the best and most realistic way this shakes out.
Yeah the nightmare won't start until September
I am really hoping for a big jump from Jalin Hyatt along with continued returns from Wandale. Its really too bad that Waller has been such a disappointment from his HoF pre-season. It could be a dangerous group.
Exactly my thoughts as well.
I wonder if Harrison and Nabers were both on the board at #6 if Nabers would still be the pick.
Grade Pos Last Name
92 WR Harrison Jr.
91 WR Odunze
90 WR Nabers
88 OT Fashanu
88 TE Bowers
87 OT Alt
87 QB Daniels
87 QB Williams
86 G/C Powers-Johnson
86 OT Fautanu
85 OT Mims
85 OT Latham
85 WR Thomas Jr.
85 CB Mitchell
85 S DeJean
84 OT Fuaga
84 QB McCarthy
Will go 4/5 leaving the Giants to choose between J.J. McCarthy and Rome Odunze… or a trade down.
This is how I feel if Nabers is the pick.
Will go 4/5 leaving the Giants to choose between J.J. McCarthy and Rome Odunze… or a trade down.
This is my nightmare scenario - that NYG pass on Odunze and trade down. They would be sitting on gold as in this scenario, there would be still be Maye/JJM left as well as all of the OTs before the run on OTs.
After years of ineptitude, we need to set the table for a new QB to be successful even if that QB doesn't come until 2025+. As a Giants fan, I'm not going anywhere and so don't chase a "quick fix".
He was graded at an 89.
He was graded at an 89.
Great, but he went to a team that already drafted their QB- not the other way around..
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7 years or so.
He was graded at an 89.
Great, but he went to a team that already drafted their QB- not the other way around..
You don't force the QB when massive talent is sitting there.
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hope he can be paired with a 2nd round trade up QB.
This is how I feel if Nabers is the pick.
I’m really really curious what our QB grades are. Even more curious who their favorite is outside of the top 6. Pratt and Travis are the most intriguing for me.
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He was graded at an 89.
Great, but he went to a team that already drafted their QB- not the other way around..
You don't force the QB when massive talent is sitting there.
You can say FORCE all you want- NO WR has ever led their team to anything without a QB. Don't give me Larry Fitzgerald- he accumulated stats for most years that didn't lead to wins or titles and his SB appearance was with Kurt Warner (a SB winning QB and now HOF'er).
I said this the other day. Just our luck....QB hell.
Of course but this assumes we don’t take a QB at all, no? I’m as locked into the QB upgrade as anymore but you kinda need to be open minded about getting a QB outside of the top 10. Other teams do it, why not us?
Now I’ll be pissed if we don’t come away with a QB at all but that’s for the post draft discussions.
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92 WR Harrison Jr.
91 WR Odunze
90 WR Nabers
88 OT Fashanu
88 TE Bowers
87 OT Alt
87 QB Daniels
87 QB Williams
86 G/C Powers-Johnson
86 OT Fautanu
85 OT Mims
85 OT Latham
85 WR Thomas Jr.
85 CB Mitchell
85 S DeJean
84 OT Fuaga
84 QB McCarthy
Try looking at his historical grades on QBs and see where QBs are drafted with those grades
He was graded at an 89.
Yeah and every QB over at an 84 or higher went #1 save for Rosen who fell for character concerns.
It is still possible that only 3 QBs go before #6. We're about to find out how much teams really like McCarthy or if it has all been smoke.
Not remotely the same. Not at all.
The only real takeaway is that WR is a wonderful consolation prize. I think it is a given that the top objective is QB.
The only question is whether QB 4 is available and/or whether he is good enough to consider. If it boils down to moderate QB or great WR prospect, I'd choose QB. The cupboard is too bare to punt on QB. Once QB is eliminated, WR is a no brainer unless there's a massive haul to be had in trading down.
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This is how I feel if Nabers is the pick.
+1
What I don't want to see is the Giants having to force the QB pick in 2025. At some point you need to at least try to address the most important position on the field.
Who are the Vikings taking at 11?
And why shouldn’t the Giants have the same answer to that question if they dont land one of these 4 QBs?
It is still possible that only 3 QBs go before #6. We're about to find out how much teams really like McCarthy or if it has all been smoke.
Chi - Williams
Wsh- Daniels
NE - Maye
Ari - Harrison
LAC - Nabers
I think a lot of people are assuming trades and fireworks. Idk. You're asking Ossenfort to move off Harrison, that'll take a lot. I know Harbaugh likes to build through the trenches, but Herbert-Nabers for the next 5 years? That's a big start to the Harbaugh era.
Do the Vikings really want to trade 23 & next years first in addition to 11 when they can stand pat and take Penix or Nix?
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
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high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
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not guarantee Nabers will be there.
It is still possible that only 3 QBs go before #6. We're about to find out how much teams really like McCarthy or if it has all been smoke.
Chi - Williams
Wsh- Daniels
NE - Maye
Ari - Harrison
LAC - Nabers
I think a lot of people are assuming trades and fireworks. Idk. You're asking Ossenfort to move off Harrison, that'll take a lot. I know Harbaugh likes to build through the trenches, but Herbert-Nabers for the next 5 years? That's a big start to the Harbaugh era.
Do the Vikings really want to trade 23 & next years first in addition to 11 when they can stand pat and take Penix or Nix?
That’s certainly a possibility but I find it hard to believe the Vikings will just sit at 11 and wait for whatever is left at QB. That’s not generally how it works when you’re targeting a QB.
With a trade and without.
Trade
1. Chicago - Caleb Williams
2. Washington - Jayden Daniels
3. Minnesota (from N.E) - J.J. McCarthy
4. Arizona - Marvin Harrison, Jr.
5. L.A. Chargers - Malik Nabers
6. N.Y. Giants - Drake Maye
without Trade
1. Same
2. Same
3. New England - Drake Maye
4. Same
5. Same
6. N.Y. Giants - J.J. McCarthy
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high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
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Yeah the nightmare won't start until September
Maybe, but if you get a stud WR you have checked off a major need. If you keep your other draft picks you have the potential to move up to get another QB.
BTW, I want Maye or McCarthy, but if it is Nabers I will still be Giants fan for the rest of my life and it will be ok.
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high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
Your comment is idiotic and insulting! How many TD passes did Jones have in 16 games played in 2022? He had 15 TD passes. How many TD passes did Mariotta have in 2022 in 13 games played in 2022? You guessed it, 15 TD Passes.. How about 2021 (Pitts's rookie year).. Daniel Jones had 10 TD passes in 11 games played (he has habit of 1 TD pass less than games played) while the Falcons, with Matt Ryan had 20 TD passes...
So please, explain to me again how Jones is so much better at QB..
Will go 4/5 leaving the Giants to choose between J.J. McCarthy and Rome Odunze… or a trade down.
That’s my worse case I could come up with.
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high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
Sorry dude, I shared the facts that blow your bullshit opinion out of the water.. But that is ok, I am sure the STATS aren't facts either.
That was:
Williams
Maye
Daniels
Harrison
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Which leaves NYG with a choice between McCarthy, Nabers and Odunze. They went with Nabers over JJM. Gun to my head I’d go McCarthy myself but that’s probably the best and most realistic way this shakes out.
It depends what the Giants really think of McCarthy
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high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
Your comment is idiotic and insulting! How many TD passes did Jones have in 16 games played in 2022? He had 15 TD passes. How many TD passes did Mariotta have in 2022 in 13 games played in 2022? You guessed it, 15 TD Passes.. How about 2021 (Pitts's rookie year).. Daniel Jones had 10 TD passes in 11 games played (he has habit of 1 TD pass less than games played) while the Falcons, with Matt Ryan had 20 TD passes...
So please, explain to me again how Jones is so much better at QB..
Again the NFL disagrees with your assessment/opinion. Marcus Mariota is a journeymen and career backup now at QB. Ridder was benched last year and then traded this offseason. Falcons were never winning anything with those QBs.
So I don’t agree with your initial question… how many games did the Falcons win with London and Pitts?! Not many because of Ridder and Mariota. It was failed experiment and why they went hard after Cousins.
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92 WR Harrison Jr.
91 WR Odunze
90 WR Nabers
88 OT Fashanu
88 TE Bowers
87 OT Alt
87 QB Daniels
87 QB Williams
86 G/C Powers-Johnson
86 OT Fautanu
85 OT Mims
85 OT Latham
85 WR Thomas Jr.
85 CB Mitchell
85 S DeJean
84 OT Fuaga
84 QB McCarthy
Seeing this list, has just convinced me this is the ultimate draft to be trading down in.
Think about it. We are all debating mortgaging our future to move up for JJM or Maye (who doesnt even make this list...)
I get QB is vital. But the biggest problem this team has faced for a decade or so has been the OL. ANd half this list, is OL.
Im a defense first guy. So seeing we can trade down to the as far as the mid to late teens. And grab an OL or the top D in the draft class. I am now 100% in favor of trading down. Someon ewill pay a ransom for one of those WRs if the QB run happens.
I believe he said we would take McCarthy if he was there.
This was my summary of that very ugly 2021 Draft, which was such an emotional ride for those who wanted DeVonta Smith!
I can't recall such roller coaster excitement as a Giants fan:
(1) Draft started calmly with the Jax and Jets going QB;
(2) The first oh-oh moment -- San Fran takes Trey Lance, meaning odds just went way up Mac Jones falls out of Top 10, thus one more non-QB taken before us;
(3) The second oh-oh moment (not unexpected) -- Atlanta decides to buttress Matt Ryan with Kyle Pitts rather than find his ultimate replacement, thus one more non-QB taken before us;
(4) The first "Oh, SH**" moment -- Cincy unexpectedly passes on OT Penei Sewell and takes first WR off Board, Ja'Marr Chase;
(5) The third oh-oh moment -- second WR Jaylen Waddle goes to Miami. Several Mocks had this guy middle of Round One;
(6) Things are looking up on the very next pick as Detroit decides against WR and takes OT OT Penei Sewell;
(7) The Carolina pick of CB Jaycee Horn causes all kinds of confusion. They were supposed to take a QB, but does Horn's selection help or hurt the Giants chances of getting DeVonta Smith?
(8) The first real earthquake hits with Denver taking CB Patrick Surtain. Like Carolina, Denver was supposed to go QB. And what is worse, Dallas no longer has a CB of value to select from at #10;
(9) So, now, it's the moment of truth. Our arch enemy Dallas is on the Board and everyone knows they need O-Line and Safety help. Rashawn Slater or Alijah Vera-Tucker? Nope. Trevon Moehrig? Nope. Dallas puts one between the Giants ribs and trades the pick to WR-hungry Philadelphia;
(10) The Dirty Eagles are on the Board and there's nothing Giants fans can do about it. Will they? Won't they? Will they? Won't they? Didn't take long for the ax to fall, and now we get to see DeVonta Smith in green twice a year.
So, how badly did the Giants want DeVonta Smith? I would say real bad! Why? Because no single player stood out for them for the next 9 picks! Thus, their significant trade down to #20 and Kadarius Toney.
Howver, If nabers is off the board, I would like to see the giants draft Dallas Turner.
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high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
So is Jones...but we paid him 160 million. I guarantee you that we would get next to nothing in a trade for Jones.
I won't feel bad if we select nabers..just bittersweet if Turner goes to NFC rival.
Nabers is the player most likely to save Jones's career. He has Tyreek Hill ability to obliterate a defense.
It's not an outcome I wish for, but it's a very real possibility.
I’m really really curious what our QB grades are. Even more curious who their favorite is outside of the top 6. Pratt and Travis are the most intriguing for me.
Travis suffered a gruesome leg injury last year. And before that, I really liked his game. But that injury might place him in the same box as Penix with us: we don't need another QB who is a potentially high medical risk.
I won't feel bad if we select nabers..just bittersweet if Turner goes to NFC rival.
With Burns and KT already on the roster, wouldn't Turner just be a situational rusher on this team? For the #6 pick?
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Yup. The draft may actually go like that with the Giants having McCarthy and Odunze on the board. If you believe GoDeep, the Giants may even trade down in such a scenario.
I believe he said we would take McCarthy if he was there.
Yes, that was his "allowed to divulge" take. I still think this was too many beans to spill, but a trade down with one of Maye/JJM and OTs still left will be hard to pass up. In this scenario, all 3 QB needy teams would not have been able to trade into 5/6 and would still need QB.
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Yup. The draft may actually go like that with the Giants having McCarthy and Odunze on the board. If you believe GoDeep, the Giants may even trade down in such a scenario.
I believe he said we would take McCarthy if he was there.
Yup, I got Maye and McCarthy confused with GoDeep... confusing trying to remember what asshat said what.
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Yup. The draft may actually go like that with the Giants having McCarthy and Odunze on the board. If you believe GoDeep, the Giants may even trade down in such a scenario.
I believe he said we would take McCarthy if he was there.
Yes, that was his "allowed to divulge" take. I still think this was too many beans to spill, but a trade down with one of Maye/JJM and OTs still left will be hard to pass up. In this scenario, all 3 QB needy teams would not have been able to trade into 5/6 and would still need QB.
I mean - trade into 4/5
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and Nabers second. I know the majority consensus is Nabers first but I think Turner could make our defense something really special.
I won't feel bad if we select nabers..just bittersweet if Turner goes to NFC rival.
With Burns and KT already on the roster, wouldn't Turner just be a situational rusher on this team? For the #6 pick?
Agree with this. I think the chances of picking defense in round 1 is significantly close to zero.
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high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
So is Jones...but we paid him 160 million. I guarantee you that we would get next to nothing in a trade for Jones.
Actually DJ isn’t a career backup until he is. At this very moment, the fact is DJ is our starter and being paid as such for several years now and will START games this year no matter what we do in the draft.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
They can try to grab someone like Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) or Bo Nix (Oregon) in the second round.
They probably won't last past #15.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that. Something was off.
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For a team to draft Nabers after the Kadarius Toney / Deandre Baker experience.
Not remotely the same. Not at all.
talent wise obviously, he seems to clearly be the 2nd best non-qb in draft, but whether the charge got dropped or not it was really bad judgement. a 19 year old without a permit carrying a concealed gun on bourbon street, visible enough police noticed it. judgement wise just as bad as some of the gun charges toney had that were also dropped.
SEC country is a little different than the rest of the country when it comes to being able to protect their star football players so you never quite know if whatever you are hearing about publicly is just the tip of the iceberg.
Trade 6 for 11 and Patrick Surtain.
Grab a QB at 11 or a RT.
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high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
So is Jones...but we paid him 160 million. I guarantee you that we would get next to nothing in a trade for Jones.
Actually DJ isn’t a career backup until he is. At this very moment, the fact is DJ is our starter and being paid as such for several years now and will START games this year no matter what we do in the draft.
Unless Drew Lock beats him out. I think it's going to be an open QB competition in training camp.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
The injury clause alone is a reason for him not to see the field.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
+1
Picking Nabers would remind me more of picking Barkley in 2018.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
Sitting a QB because of an injury clause is not what I see as the Giants way of doing business. Probably several other NFL teams would do that but that’s not how I view the Giants. So unless DJ loses a competition with a QB, ie Lock or potential new QB, I think DJ starts the season.
With Burns and KT already on the roster, wouldn't Turner just be a situational rusher on this team? For the #6 pick?
AND Ojulari
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high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
So is Jones...but we paid him 160 million. I guarantee you that we would get next to nothing in a trade for Jones.
Actually DJ isn’t a career backup until he is. At this very moment, the fact is DJ is our starter and being paid as such for several years now and will START games this year no matter what we do in the draft.
Unless Drew Lock beats him out. I think it's going to be an open QB competition in training camp.
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There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
If Daniel Jones plays this season something went very wrong with the Giants offseason plans
Like, he knows he won't play and was faking it? Just not looking healthy?
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
onder if he chooe to retire fter the draft?
Like, he knows he won't play and was faking it? Just not looking healthy?
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
The neck is a non issue at this point.
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but I still am not sure we see Jones even touch the field again even if the Giants punt this year on QB.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
The neck is a non issue at this point.
I've heard otherwise.
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but I still am not sure we see Jones even touch the field again even if the Giants punt this year on QB.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
The neck is a non issue at this point.
& you know this how?
They can try to grab someone like Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) or Bo Nix (Oregon) in the second round.
Penix and Nix won't make it past the the first half of the first round
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I’m really really curious what our QB grades are. Even more curious who their favorite is outside of the top 6. Pratt and Travis are the most intriguing for me.
Travis suffered a gruesome leg injury last year. And before that, I really liked his game. But that injury might place him in the same box as Penix with us: we don't need another QB who is a potentially high medical risk.
Is everyone who sustains an injury in college a high injury risk guy? This seems more like being spooked than anything based on experience or science.
The Giants have done weird things with necks in recent years. Ezeudu was put back into a game in 2022 with a neck issue, got hurt again, and was lost for the year. Jones played in the Raiders game last year.
There is the neck... the ACL... and the injury clause. But I'm also going to piss people off and say he didn't look right to me in his last presser. That wasn't normal.
I think there is more going on there.. I agree with you.
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For a team to draft Nabers after the Kadarius Toney / Deandre Baker experience.
Picking Nabers would remind me more of picking Barkley in 2018.
YES!!!
agreed.. and as a person with multiple fusions in my neck- not all done at the same time, when you have an issue with one, it5 puts pressure on the others.
That stood out to me as well - more than the press conference. He looked like he wanted to lay down on the floor and take a nap.
Is everyone who sustains an injury in college a high injury risk guy? This seems more like being spooked than anything based on experience or science.
My view here is more what Schoen et al may be thinking because of DJ's medical history.
Personally, I would think selecting a guy like Travis on day three has appeal.
Nabers is the player most likely to save Jones's career. He has Tyreek Hill ability to obliterate a defense.
It's not an outcome I wish for, but it's a very real possibility.
That’s why I want the first 4 picks to be QBs in any trade or whatever.
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For a team to draft Nabers after the Kadarius Toney / Deandre Baker experience.
Picking Nabers would remind me more of picking Barkley in 2018.
It’s not even close. One is a premium position, the other is one of the least valued positions. Barkley pick happened at 2, Nabers pick would be at 6…with all of the QB’s likely off the board.
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I think there are two special players in this draft -- MHJr and Nabers.
Nabers is the player most likely to save Jones's career. He has Tyreek Hill ability to obliterate a defense.
It's not an outcome I wish for, but it's a very real possibility.
That’s why I want the first 4 picks to be QBs in any trade or whatever.
Which may be fueling the Giants-Maye talk. We shall see.
The bust rate for 1st round QBs is too high to take that kind of risk. If you cannot get a QB like Maye or Daniels then you take the BPA of MHJ, Nabers or Odunze.
Continue to build the roster.
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For a team to draft Nabers after the Kadarius Toney / Deandre Baker experience.
Picking Nabers would remind me more of picking Barkley in 2018.
I don't think WR has been that commoditized to make this claim. But I get your angle if you are assuming Schoen is bringing in more help for Jones.
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For a team to draft Nabers after the Kadarius Toney / Deandre Baker experience.
Picking Nabers would remind me more of picking Barkley in 2018.
It’s not even close. One is a premium position, the other is one of the least valued positions. Barkley pick happened at 2, Nabers pick would be at 6…with all of the QB’s likely off the board.
Yeah, stupid comment. It's a passing league. Premium positions are QB, WR, LT, pass rusher, and CB. Yes, colleges are churning out WRs like never before, but that doesn't mean you pass on an all-pro talent like Nabers just because of that fact.
A good measuring stick is to look at the contracts premium WRs and RBs are getting. It is simply no contest.
If the draft plays out where the QB they want is gone, and Nabers is taken by either Arizona or LA, would they take Harrison Jr or is that a situation in which they look to trade down?
I find it odd that there has been very little talk about how they view Harrison one way or the other, is it just assumed that he will be off the board?
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Nabers, multiple sources told SNY, is a player the Giants covet. Most around the league expect him to be New York's pick if they can't get a quarterback (more and more unlikely by the day).
They can try to grab someone like Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) or Bo Nix (Oregon) in the second round.
Penix and Nix won't make it past the the first half of the first round
remember - Levis last year was invited to the green room and ended up going in the second. 6 QBs in the first half of the first round would surprise me.
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For a team to draft Nabers after the Kadarius Toney / Deandre Baker experience.
Not remotely the same. Not at all.
And you know that because...?