Nabers, multiple sources told SNY, is a player the Giants covet. Most around the league expect him to be New York's pick if they can't get a quarterback (more and more unlikely by the day).
They can try to grab someone like Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) or Bo Nix (Oregon) in the second round.
And the best scenario for NYG (in my opinion) played out 1-5.
That was:
Williams
Maye
Daniels
Harrison
Alt
Which leaves NYG with a choice between McCarthy, Nabers and Odunze. They went with Nabers over JJM. Gun to my head I’d go McCarthy myself but that’s probably the best and most realistic way this shakes out.
having someone with this kind of juice on our roster would be exciting.
I am really hoping for a big jump from Jalin Hyatt along with continued returns from Wandale. Its really too bad that Waller has been such a disappointment from his HoF pre-season. It could be a dangerous group.
Don't see how Giants could pass on Odunze or Nabers.
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Grade Pos Last Name
92 WR Harrison Jr.
91 WR Odunze
90 WR Nabers
88 OT Fashanu
88 TE Bowers
87 OT Alt
87 QB Daniels
87 QB Williams
86 G/C Powers-Johnson
86 OT Fautanu
85 OT Mims
85 OT Latham
85 WR Thomas Jr.
85 CB Mitchell
85 S DeJean
84 OT Fuaga
84 QB McCarthy
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
Will go 4/5 leaving the Giants to choose between J.J. McCarthy and Rome Odunze… or a trade down.
This is my nightmare scenario - that NYG pass on Odunze and trade down. They would be sitting on gold as in this scenario, there would be still be Maye/JJM left as well as all of the OTs before the run on OTs.
Nabers has been my guy all along as I'd rather us fortify WR/OL before we consider next steps with QB (albeit I do like JJM). Eric's posts/podcast around OL has me intrigued (via trade down) but reality is we don't have weapons on offense and jury is out whether we even have a #2 WR let alone a #1. Nabers creates separation which clearly is important to not only this regime but the NFL today in general. Plus, explosiveness of Nabers opens up the underneath to Robinson and the deep-shot to Hyatt as defenses will need to focus on Nabers.
After years of ineptitude, we need to set the table for a new QB to be successful even if that QB doesn't come until 2025+. As a Giants fan, I'm not going anywhere and so don't chase a "quick fix".
For reference, I think Chase was Sy's highest rated WR over the last
hope he can be paired with a 2nd round trade up QB.
This is how I feel if Nabers is the pick.
I’m really really curious what our QB grades are. Even more curious who their favorite is outside of the top 6. Pratt and Travis are the most intriguing for me.
RE: RE: RE: For reference, I think Chase was Sy's highest rated WR over the last
Great, but he went to a team that already drafted their QB- not the other way around..
You don't force the QB when massive talent is sitting there.
You can say FORCE all you want- NO WR has ever led their team to anything without a QB. Don't give me Larry Fitzgerald- he accumulated stats for most years that didn't lead to wins or titles and his SB appearance was with Kurt Warner (a SB winning QB and now HOF'er).
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
Of course but this assumes we don’t take a QB at all, no? I’m as locked into the QB upgrade as anymore but you kinda need to be open minded about getting a QB outside of the top 10. Other teams do it, why not us?
Now I’ll be pissed if we don’t come away with a QB at all but that’s for the post draft discussions.
Don't see how Giants could pass on Odunze or Nabers.
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Grade Pos Last Name
92 WR Harrison Jr.
91 WR Odunze
90 WR Nabers
88 OT Fashanu
88 TE Bowers
87 OT Alt
87 QB Daniels
87 QB Williams
86 G/C Powers-Johnson
86 OT Fautanu
85 OT Mims
85 OT Latham
85 WR Thomas Jr.
85 CB Mitchell
85 S DeJean
84 OT Fuaga
84 QB McCarthy
Try looking at his historical grades on QBs and see where QBs are drafted with those grades
RE: For reference, I think Chase was Sy's highest rated WR over the last
as Giants' top of the considerations. When you eliminate QB, that only leaves WR. if MHJ is gone, that leaves Nabors or Odunze. Rumors all say Nabors.
The only real takeaway is that WR is a wonderful consolation prize. I think it is a given that the top objective is QB.
The only question is whether QB 4 is available and/or whether he is good enough to consider. If it boils down to moderate QB or great WR prospect, I'd choose QB. The cupboard is too bare to punt on QB. Once QB is eliminated, WR is a no brainer unless there's a massive haul to be had in trading down.
hope he can be paired with a 2nd round trade up QB.
This is how I feel if Nabers is the pick.
+1
What I don't want to see is the Giants having to force the QB pick in 2025. At some point you need to at least try to address the most important position on the field.
It is still possible that only 3 QBs go before #6. We're about to find out how much teams really like McCarthy or if it has all been smoke.
Chi - Williams
Wsh- Daniels
NE - Maye
Ari - Harrison
LAC - Nabers
I think a lot of people are assuming trades and fireworks. Idk. You're asking Ossenfort to move off Harrison, that'll take a lot. I know Harbaugh likes to build through the trenches, but Herbert-Nabers for the next 5 years? That's a big start to the Harbaugh era.
Do the Vikings really want to trade 23 & next years first in addition to 11 when they can stand pat and take Penix or Nix?
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
Yup. The draft may actually go like that with the Giants having McCarthy and Odunze on the board. If you believe GoDeep, the Giants may even trade down in such a scenario.
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
It is still possible that only 3 QBs go before #6. We're about to find out how much teams really like McCarthy or if it has all been smoke.
Chi - Williams
Wsh- Daniels
NE - Maye
Ari - Harrison
LAC - Nabers
I think a lot of people are assuming trades and fireworks. Idk. You're asking Ossenfort to move off Harrison, that'll take a lot. I know Harbaugh likes to build through the trenches, but Herbert-Nabers for the next 5 years? That's a big start to the Harbaugh era.
Do the Vikings really want to trade 23 & next years first in addition to 11 when they can stand pat and take Penix or Nix?
That’s certainly a possibility but I find it hard to believe the Vikings will just sit at 11 and wait for whatever is left at QB. That’s not generally how it works when you’re targeting a QB.
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
RE: RE: If you can keep your draft picks and land Nabers
Maybe, but if you get a stud WR you have checked off a major need. If you keep your other draft picks you have the potential to move up to get another QB.
BTW, I want Maye or McCarthy, but if it is Nabers I will still be Giants fan for the rest of my life and it will be ok.
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
Your comment is idiotic and insulting! How many TD passes did Jones have in 16 games played in 2022? He had 15 TD passes. How many TD passes did Mariotta have in 2022 in 13 games played in 2022? You guessed it, 15 TD Passes.. How about 2021 (Pitts's rookie year).. Daniel Jones had 10 TD passes in 11 games played (he has habit of 1 TD pass less than games played) while the Falcons, with Matt Ryan had 20 TD passes...
So please, explain to me again how Jones is so much better at QB..
in his blue suit on draft night, ready for DG to pick him like everyone expected. If someone is convinced that Nabers is going to be all-pro, the Chargers might get a strong offer for 5.
high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
Sorry dude, I shared the facts that blow your bullshit opinion out of the water.. But that is ok, I am sure the STATS aren't facts either.
They can try to grab someone like Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) or Bo Nix (Oregon) in the second round.
This aligns to what Gedeep said as well. Nabers or McCarthy.
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Dabs’ favorite per GiantGrit.
This aligns to what Gedeep said as well. Nabers or McCarthy.
That said, I will always prefer a QB in this situation….most important position in all of sports.
That was:
Williams
Maye
Daniels
Harrison
Alt
Which leaves NYG with a choice between McCarthy, Nabers and Odunze. They went with Nabers over JJM. Gun to my head I’d go McCarthy myself but that’s probably the best and most realistic way this shakes out.
Yeah the nightmare won't start until September
I am really hoping for a big jump from Jalin Hyatt along with continued returns from Wandale. Its really too bad that Waller has been such a disappointment from his HoF pre-season. It could be a dangerous group.
Exactly my thoughts as well.
I wonder if Harrison and Nabers were both on the board at #6 if Nabers would still be the pick.
Grade Pos Last Name
92 WR Harrison Jr.
91 WR Odunze
90 WR Nabers
88 OT Fashanu
88 TE Bowers
87 OT Alt
87 QB Daniels
87 QB Williams
86 G/C Powers-Johnson
86 OT Fautanu
85 OT Mims
85 OT Latham
85 WR Thomas Jr.
85 CB Mitchell
85 S DeJean
84 OT Fuaga
84 QB McCarthy
Will go 4/5 leaving the Giants to choose between J.J. McCarthy and Rome Odunze… or a trade down.
This is how I feel if Nabers is the pick.
Will go 4/5 leaving the Giants to choose between J.J. McCarthy and Rome Odunze… or a trade down.
This is my nightmare scenario - that NYG pass on Odunze and trade down. They would be sitting on gold as in this scenario, there would be still be Maye/JJM left as well as all of the OTs before the run on OTs.
After years of ineptitude, we need to set the table for a new QB to be successful even if that QB doesn't come until 2025+. As a Giants fan, I'm not going anywhere and so don't chase a "quick fix".
He was graded at an 89.
He was graded at an 89.
Great, but he went to a team that already drafted their QB- not the other way around..
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7 years or so.
He was graded at an 89.
Great, but he went to a team that already drafted their QB- not the other way around..
You don't force the QB when massive talent is sitting there.
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hope he can be paired with a 2nd round trade up QB.
This is how I feel if Nabers is the pick.
I’m really really curious what our QB grades are. Even more curious who their favorite is outside of the top 6. Pratt and Travis are the most intriguing for me.
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7 years or so.
He was graded at an 89.
Great, but he went to a team that already drafted their QB- not the other way around..
You don't force the QB when massive talent is sitting there.
You can say FORCE all you want- NO WR has ever led their team to anything without a QB. Don't give me Larry Fitzgerald- he accumulated stats for most years that didn't lead to wins or titles and his SB appearance was with Kurt Warner (a SB winning QB and now HOF'er).
I said this the other day. Just our luck....QB hell.
Of course but this assumes we don’t take a QB at all, no? I’m as locked into the QB upgrade as anymore but you kinda need to be open minded about getting a QB outside of the top 10. Other teams do it, why not us?
Now I’ll be pissed if we don’t come away with a QB at all but that’s for the post draft discussions.
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Grade Pos Last Name
92 WR Harrison Jr.
91 WR Odunze
90 WR Nabers
88 OT Fashanu
88 TE Bowers
87 OT Alt
87 QB Daniels
87 QB Williams
86 G/C Powers-Johnson
86 OT Fautanu
85 OT Mims
85 OT Latham
85 WR Thomas Jr.
85 CB Mitchell
85 S DeJean
84 OT Fuaga
84 QB McCarthy
Try looking at his historical grades on QBs and see where QBs are drafted with those grades
He was graded at an 89.
Yeah and every QB over at an 84 or higher went #1 save for Rosen who fell for character concerns.
It is still possible that only 3 QBs go before #6. We're about to find out how much teams really like McCarthy or if it has all been smoke.
Not remotely the same. Not at all.
The only real takeaway is that WR is a wonderful consolation prize. I think it is a given that the top objective is QB.
The only question is whether QB 4 is available and/or whether he is good enough to consider. If it boils down to moderate QB or great WR prospect, I'd choose QB. The cupboard is too bare to punt on QB. Once QB is eliminated, WR is a no brainer unless there's a massive haul to be had in trading down.
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hope he can be paired with a 2nd round trade up QB.
This is how I feel if Nabers is the pick.
+1
What I don't want to see is the Giants having to force the QB pick in 2025. At some point you need to at least try to address the most important position on the field.
Who are the Vikings taking at 11?
And why shouldn’t the Giants have the same answer to that question if they dont land one of these 4 QBs?
It is still possible that only 3 QBs go before #6. We're about to find out how much teams really like McCarthy or if it has all been smoke.
Chi - Williams
Wsh- Daniels
NE - Maye
Ari - Harrison
LAC - Nabers
I think a lot of people are assuming trades and fireworks. Idk. You're asking Ossenfort to move off Harrison, that'll take a lot. I know Harbaugh likes to build through the trenches, but Herbert-Nabers for the next 5 years? That's a big start to the Harbaugh era.
Do the Vikings really want to trade 23 & next years first in addition to 11 when they can stand pat and take Penix or Nix?
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
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high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
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not guarantee Nabers will be there.
It is still possible that only 3 QBs go before #6. We're about to find out how much teams really like McCarthy or if it has all been smoke.
Chi - Williams
Wsh- Daniels
NE - Maye
Ari - Harrison
LAC - Nabers
I think a lot of people are assuming trades and fireworks. Idk. You're asking Ossenfort to move off Harrison, that'll take a lot. I know Harbaugh likes to build through the trenches, but Herbert-Nabers for the next 5 years? That's a big start to the Harbaugh era.
Do the Vikings really want to trade 23 & next years first in addition to 11 when they can stand pat and take Penix or Nix?
That’s certainly a possibility but I find it hard to believe the Vikings will just sit at 11 and wait for whatever is left at QB. That’s not generally how it works when you’re targeting a QB.
With a trade and without.
Trade
1. Chicago - Caleb Williams
2. Washington - Jayden Daniels
3. Minnesota (from N.E) - J.J. McCarthy
4. Arizona - Marvin Harrison, Jr.
5. L.A. Chargers - Malik Nabers
6. N.Y. Giants - Drake Maye
without Trade
1. Same
2. Same
3. New England - Drake Maye
4. Same
5. Same
6. N.Y. Giants - J.J. McCarthy
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high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
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You can sleep great Thursday night.
Yeah the nightmare won't start until September
Maybe, but if you get a stud WR you have checked off a major need. If you keep your other draft picks you have the potential to move up to get another QB.
BTW, I want Maye or McCarthy, but if it is Nabers I will still be Giants fan for the rest of my life and it will be ok.
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high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
Your comment is idiotic and insulting! How many TD passes did Jones have in 16 games played in 2022? He had 15 TD passes. How many TD passes did Mariotta have in 2022 in 13 games played in 2022? You guessed it, 15 TD Passes.. How about 2021 (Pitts's rookie year).. Daniel Jones had 10 TD passes in 11 games played (he has habit of 1 TD pass less than games played) while the Falcons, with Matt Ryan had 20 TD passes...
So please, explain to me again how Jones is so much better at QB..
Will go 4/5 leaving the Giants to choose between J.J. McCarthy and Rome Odunze… or a trade down.
That’s my worse case I could come up with.
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high in the draft when they are so dependent on the QB position. How many games have the Falcons won with Pitts and London on their roster? Yeah, exactly..
All due respect, but these kind of takes are exhausting and lack intelligence. Desmond Ridder and Marcus Mariota are not DJ. It’s not even close. If the QB they want is gone, Nabers is a great pick.
The only post on this thread that lacks intelligence is yours. You can disagree with it, but it is an opinion, not a statement of fact that is correct or incorrect.
A smarter post by you would have reflected that.
Opinion?! Marcus Mariota and Ridder are career backups. Don’t take my word for it. Ridder was traded this off-season for a box of donuts and Mariota is on his 5th team. Those are the facts.
Sorry dude, I shared the facts that blow your bullshit opinion out of the water.. But that is ok, I am sure the STATS aren't facts either.