I've been feeling like Penix was going to slide for a while now. Then this letter he penned (with help I'm sure, but I believe it was from his heart) really solidified my feeling that he is going to drop. I could see a team taking a chance on him via trade up into rd1. I could also see him sliding into day 2. This is one thing I feel solid about.
Now as it relates to the Giants. Ive been a staunch supporter of Schoen, but he's going to lose most of my confidence if he passes on Penix in late round 1 or day 2 after deciding the trade up for QB is too much and/or decides to pass or trade down on QB at 6. That would be my breaking point.
He had 5 picks in the top 81 including pick 5 and 7, he passed on a #1 wr in Pickens for an undersized gadget guy in Wandale. Charles Cross and Ikem Ekwonu both look much better than Neal who didn't do any athleticism testing pre-draft for a reason. Kayvon is solid, but nothing special so far. Look at his stats minus playing against the Commies offensive line. He took Ezeudu at 67 and Flott at 81.
Then, he signs Daniel Jones to a massive contract without letting him test free agency after not signing Saquon long term and tagging DJ.
And last season he failed to trade Saquon for whatever he could get to influence a higher draft pick in this great QB draft. I don't care if Mara wanted Saquon long term and didn't want to give up on the season like he said at the owner meetings. Schoen needs to have the gusto and cajones to tell him this is in our best interest, even if we got a 7th round pick for him. I don't go back on the 3 close wins vs 3 close losses, they canceled out and its stupid to look back on them. Nevertheless, trading Saquon was something in our control that would have led to picking 2, 3 or 5 at worst in my mind. The Texans or Ravens would have traded something for him, even if it was a late round pick. That was a big mistake.
Going into season 3 of a 3 year rebuild plan like this would be a massive failure. I wouldn't give him a chance in 2025 if this is how things unfold.
I recall that pre draft NYG wanted Charles Cross because of his quick feet. Might have been misdirection but it is ironic that it would have been the better pick.
Just for my staunch support of Schoen. It's only entertainment ultimately. And we are all just fans. Nothing earth shattering here.
No, but he's much better than Neal. You were right the whole time. It was stupid to take a right tackle at 7. Average aav for right tackles is 7 million. It was a mistake, find your right tackles on day 2.
Maybe he'll hold his breath until he "bleeds blue."
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No, but he's much better than Neal. You were right the whole time. It was stupid to take a right tackle at 7. Average aav for right tackles is 7 million. It was a mistake, find your right tackles on day 2.
Much better? That's some statement.
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has not lived up to expectation either.
No, but he's much better than Neal. You were right the whole time. It was stupid to take a right tackle at 7. Average aav for right tackles is 7 million. It was a mistake, find your right tackles on day 2.
Much better? That's some statement.
Mediocre is much better than piss poor performance and health.
Okwonu 67.4 pff rating (I think their ol rankings are good)
Neal 39.8 pff rating
I also watched a lot of Okwonu and he didn't look bad (needs to work on false starts though).
If we start talking about him getting to round 3 and 4 I'd guess its highly related to medicals which is a legitimate reason to pass.
Lol
If we start talking about him getting to round 3 and 4 I'd guess its highly related to medicals which is a legitimate reason to pass.
Day 3 is round 2 and 3. Most people here don't think he will slide past pick 16. Most mocks predict 1st round. That would be a slide.
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Its where most people expect him to go unless one team falls for him (I still can see the Raiders loving his chuck it deep style).
If we start talking about him getting to round 3 and 4 I'd guess its highly related to medicals which is a legitimate reason to pass.
Day 3 is round 2 and 3. Most people here don't think he will slide past pick 16. Most mocks predict 1st round. That would be a slide.
With all due respect to the mocks, I can point to both Sy' and Dane Brugler who have him graded as a day 2 guy. I think you'll find this is where most real evaluators have him too.
I concede it only takes one team to fall in love with a guy and it happens a lot to QBs, but there are a lot of credible people out there not grading him in the first round and if his medicals are bad, he could be a free fall candidate. The medicals are a big unknown right now.
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Its where most people expect him to go unless one team falls for him (I still can see the Raiders loving his chuck it deep style).
If we start talking about him getting to round 3 and 4 I'd guess its highly related to medicals which is a legitimate reason to pass.
Day 3 is round 2 and 3. Most people here don't think he will slide past pick 16. Most mocks predict 1st round. That would be a slide.
With all due respect to the mocks, I can point to both Sy' and Dane Brugler who have him graded as a day 2 guy. I think you'll find this is where most real evaluators have him too.
I concede it only takes one team to fall in love with a guy and it happens a lot to QBs, but there are a lot of credible people out there not grading him in the first round and if his medicals are bad, he could be a free fall candidate. The medicals are a big unknown right now.
I agree and I think he is going to slide. I would take a chance on him on day 2 personally. Caveat being, we took WR at 6 of course.
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Its where most people expect him to go unless one team falls for him (I still can see the Raiders loving his chuck it deep style).
If we start talking about him getting to round 3 and 4 I'd guess its highly related to medicals which is a legitimate reason to pass.
Day 3 is round 2 and 3. Most people here don't think he will slide past pick 16. Most mocks predict 1st round. That would be a slide.
With all due respect to the mocks, I can point to both Sy' and Dane Brugler who have him graded as a day 2 guy. I think you'll find this is where most real evaluators have him too.
I concede it only takes one team to fall in love with a guy and it happens a lot to QBs, but there are a lot of credible people out there not grading him in the first round and if his medicals are bad, he could be a free fall candidate. The medicals are a big unknown right now.
I agree and I think he is going to slide. I would take a chance on him on day 2 personally. Caveat being, we took WR at 6 of course.
I'd be fine with that scenario as long as his medicals are clear. Our Executive Director of Player Performance was the S&C coach for Indiana when the injuries occurred, this should give us some insight that other teams may not have into them.
Can someone please explain to me this thought of a massive contract for Daniel Jones. He is not even in the top 10 of starting quarterbacks.
Drop the whole contract thing, QB contracts make no sense and the owners work in a different bracket then we do.
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has not lived up to expectation either.
No, but he's much better than Neal. You were right the whole time. It was stupid to take a right tackle at 7. Average aav for right tackles is 7 million. It was a mistake, find your right tackles on day 2.
Much better? That's some statement.
Mediocre is much better than piss poor performance and health.
Okwonu 67.4 pff rating (I think their ol rankings are good)
Neal 39.8 pff rating
I also watched a lot of Okwonu and he didn't look bad (needs to work on false starts though).
Neal played on a broken ankle last year. See what happens this year
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Its where most people expect him to go unless one team falls for him (I still can see the Raiders loving his chuck it deep style).
If we start talking about him getting to round 3 and 4 I'd guess its highly related to medicals which is a legitimate reason to pass.
Day 3 is round 2 and 3. Most people here don't think he will slide past pick 16. Most mocks predict 1st round. That would be a slide.
With all due respect to the mocks, I can point to both Sy' and Dane Brugler who have him graded as a day 2 guy. I think you'll find this is where most real evaluators have him too.
I concede it only takes one team to fall in love with a guy and it happens a lot to QBs, but there are a lot of credible people out there not grading him in the first round and if his medicals are bad, he could be a free fall candidate. The medicals are a big unknown right now.
I agree and I think he is going to slide. I would take a chance on him on day 2 personally. Caveat being, we took WR at 6 of course.
I would prefer Penix late rather than JJM early.
So far it hasn't panned out..but that's hindsight pure and simple.
So far it hasn't panned out..but that's hindsight pure and simple.
Eric was the one speaking pre-draft about how RT at top 7 might not be a good value. He was right.
He's solid, but nothing elite yet. Look at his numbers without the games against the Commanders.