Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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Not much has changed but teams know that Jayden will be the pick at 2.
I still expect the Pats to stay put and pick at 3 (sounds like they prefer Maye over JJMC).
Vikings and Cardinals have had productive discussions for the fourth pick. Broncos are also a team to watch here
You could def see a trade back from the QB spot to then trade back in for a WR spot.
It will be far less costly to get to 7 8 or 9 from 11.
trade down and then trade back up when its less costly?
They have traded down and then back up before, just last year actually. They went from pick 3 to 12 then back up to 6 to get their guy in Paris Johnson Jr (who had a solid rookie year at LT). No reason they couldn't get picks 11, 23 and 2025 1st from the Vikings and then flip picks 11 and 23 or less to the Chargers for their top choice of WR plus a 2025 1st from the Vikings.
trade down and then trade back up when its less costly?
Yes, I outlined this in my previous post. If Maye is there at 4, I feel less confident in Schoen getting it done as he seems to be ready to be very conservative about QB.
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isn't falling back outside of the top 10. They need to get a WR for Kyler. Top 3 WR won't be available at pick 12.
They have traded down and then back up before, just last year actually. They went from pick 3 to 12 then back up to 6 to get their guy in Paris Johnson Jr (who had a solid rookie year at LT). No reason they couldn't get picks 11, 23 and 2025 1st from the Vikings and then flip picks 11 and 23 or less to the Chargers for their top choice of WR plus a 2025 1st from the Vikings.
It is different this year as they already have two first picks (another one late). They need top players, a drop to Gmen at 6 makes sense but not beyond that. No reason to.
Actually I guess in that scenario QBs are going 1-4, so would be someone moving up for Nabers.
Trading out of the top 10 and then trying to trade up for one of the 3 WRs is far riskier than trading with the Giants.
Can’t you feel that contagious winning culture? Joking aside, Dabol is going to claw and scratch for every win he can, because taking one for the team means he is fired.
1. Caleb
2. Jayden
3. Drake
4. MHJ
5. Nabers
Then what? If the Giants don't love JJ then you take Odunze?Picking top 6 it seems rough to "settle", and while I hope Odunze is a beast that is what it will feel like.
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isn't falling back outside of the top 10. They need to get a WR for Kyler. Top 3 WR won't be available at pick 12.
They have traded down and then back up before, just last year actually. They went from pick 3 to 12 then back up to 6 to get their guy in Paris Johnson Jr (who had a solid rookie year at LT). No reason they couldn't get picks 11, 23 and 2025 1st from the Vikings and then flip picks 11 and 23 or less to the Chargers for their top choice of WR plus a 2025 1st from the Vikings.
It is different this year as they already have two first picks (another one late). They need top players, a drop to Gmen at 6 makes sense but not beyond that. No reason to.
Sure there is if they have a deal in place with LAC to go right back up. They could get their target plus Vikings 2025 1st potentially. That's a good reason.
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isn't falling back outside of the top 10. They need to get a WR for Kyler. Top 3 WR won't be available at pick 12.
They have traded down and then back up before, just last year actually. They went from pick 3 to 12 then back up to 6 to get their guy in Paris Johnson Jr (who had a solid rookie year at LT). No reason they couldn't get picks 11, 23 and 2025 1st from the Vikings and then flip picks 11 and 23 or less to the Chargers for their top choice of WR plus a 2025 1st from the Vikings.
I get that but... why not then just get the Giants' 6 and our 1st next year? I just feel like trading with the Vikings and then maneuvering again to trade back up gets them nearly to the same place they'd be if they trade with us, but with a sure pick at 6 instead of a hypothetical that relies on a trade. Plus our 1st next year will likely be higher than the Vikings'.
For the last month the 4 players I expected to be Giants are
Maye, JJM. Nabers or Odunze.
I like all 4 players. I will be good with anyone of them.
Nabers at 6 and keep your draft picks is not a bad outcome guys.
Personally, I think he’s WR3 - ahead of Odunze (better competition, separation, triangle #s and similar production.
I don’t get the over-the-top love for Odunze, frankly. But in any case, the Cards may view this as a “big-4 WR” draft and be ok with trading back to 11 or 12 with the pretty good chance at landing one of them.
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In comment 16479514 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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isn't falling back outside of the top 10. They need to get a WR for Kyler. Top 3 WR won't be available at pick 12.
They have traded down and then back up before, just last year actually. They went from pick 3 to 12 then back up to 6 to get their guy in Paris Johnson Jr (who had a solid rookie year at LT). No reason they couldn't get picks 11, 23 and 2025 1st from the Vikings and then flip picks 11 and 23 or less to the Chargers for their top choice of WR plus a 2025 1st from the Vikings.
I get that but... why not then just get the Giants' 6 and our 1st next year? I just feel like trading with the Vikings and then maneuvering again to trade back up gets them nearly to the same place they'd be if they trade with us, but with a sure pick at 6 instead of a hypothetical that relies on a trade. Plus our 1st next year will likely be higher than the Vikings'.
I don't see Schoen trading the 2025 1st personally (and GoDeep said the same). I wouldn't want to trade the 2025 first either.
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In comment 16479514 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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isn't falling back outside of the top 10. They need to get a WR for Kyler. Top 3 WR won't be available at pick 12.
They have traded down and then back up before, just last year actually. They went from pick 3 to 12 then back up to 6 to get their guy in Paris Johnson Jr (who had a solid rookie year at LT). No reason they couldn't get picks 11, 23 and 2025 1st from the Vikings and then flip picks 11 and 23 or less to the Chargers for their top choice of WR plus a 2025 1st from the Vikings.
I get that but... why not then just get the Giants' 6 and our 1st next year? I just feel like trading with the Vikings and then maneuvering again to trade back up gets them nearly to the same place they'd be if they trade with us, but with a sure pick at 6 instead of a hypothetical that relies on a trade. Plus our 1st next year will likely be higher than the Vikings'.
Agreed - it's the much safer route and guarantees them one of the top 3 WRs.
stop, stop.. Unless they were the last three games of the season this kind of take is worthless.
Yes..try and convince 53 players to tank.. and keep the respect of the team... yeah not gionna happen
tanking is a fan fantasy
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games vs the Patriots and Commanders twice.
Yes..try and convince 53 players to tank.. and keep the respect of the team... yeah not gionna happen
tanking is a fan fantasy
Trading Saquon for anything even a 7th round pick to the Ravens or Texans would have been very smart.
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games vs the Patriots and Commanders twice.
Yes..try and convince 53 players to tank.. and keep the respect of the team... yeah not gionna happen
tanking is a fan fantasy
+1 and as I said above, its not like those wins were the last three games of the season.
Harrison could drop to 6
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games vs the Patriots and Commanders twice.
Yes..try and convince 53 players to tank.. and keep the respect of the team... yeah not gionna happen
tanking is a fan fantasy
+1 and as I said above, its not like those wins were the last three games of the season.
The talk about wins vs losses is dumb, we were 3 plays away from both 3 wins and 9 wins, it balanced out. Not trading Saquon was also dumb and the only thing we could have done to influence our draft position.
Win as many games as you can and worry the potential impact the draft later.
Losing the “Chase Young Bowl” turned out much better for the Giants.
trade down and then trade back up when its less costly?
Assuming there are willing partners....
Any recollection on how accurate mocks were the past 2 years for Giants? Honest question...
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a bunch of "final" mock drafts from the pundits... almost all had the Giants taking Nabers.
Any recollection on how accurate mocks were the past 2 years for Giants? Honest question...
These "final" mocks more specifically...
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a bunch of "final" mock drafts from the pundits... almost all had the Giants taking Nabers.
Any recollection on how accurate mocks were the past 2 years for Giants? Honest question...
Mock drafts outside the top 10 are virtually worthless. Dis mocks have the Giants taking Evan Neal? Of course.
I have no idea which WR they prefer.
Personally, I think he’s WR3 - ahead of Odunze (better competition, separation, triangle #s and similar production.
I don’t get the over-the-top love for Odunze, frankly. But in any case, the Cards may view this as a “big-4 WR” draft and be ok with trading back to 11 or 12 with the pretty good chance at landing one of them.
This is a good point. I think many teams may hold that viewpoint, including our own
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a bunch of "final" mock drafts from the pundits... almost all had the Giants taking Nabers.
Any recollection on how accurate mocks were the past 2 years for Giants? Honest question...
Mock drafts outside the top 10 are virtually worthless. Dis mocks have the Giants taking Evan Neal? Of course.
For what it's worth, Duggan was suggesting Giants take Banks and JMS last year... This year it's Maye/Nabers depending on if they can get Maye or not...
1. Caleb
2. Jayden
3. Drake
4. MHJ
5. Nabers
Then what? If the Giants don't love JJ then you take Odunze?Picking top 6 it seems rough to "settle", and while I hope Odunze is a beast that is what it will feel like.
Then you auction the pick for JJ McCarthy.
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I think unless we are "all in" on one specific QB we are better off with Minny trading up. The worst case scenario for me seems to be if the Giants don't like McCarthy and it's smoke there.
1. Caleb
2. Jayden
3. Drake
4. MHJ
5. Nabers
Then what? If the Giants don't love JJ then you take Odunze?Picking top 6 it seems rough to "settle", and while I hope Odunze is a beast that is what it will feel like.
Then you auction the pick for JJ McCarthy.
@prettyrickey213
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This is fake news regarding Daniel Jones. Ownership and the front office are ready to move on and he's not in their long-term plans.
Why even have a team if the object is to lose games? Never understand this. Hey, maybe they were trying to lose, and the others teams were too, but they were just better at losing. That's probably it.
@prettyrickey213
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This is fake news regarding Daniel Jones. Ownership and the front office are ready to move on and he's not in their long-term plans.
Yup, saw that. The obvious question is, can get the the/a QB they've identified as one to move forward with in this draft. NE (depending who they take) and MINN/DEN could put a wrench into things. Thursday can't get here soon enough.
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I think unless we are "all in" on one specific QB we are better off with Minny trading up. The worst case scenario for me seems to be if the Giants don't like McCarthy and it's smoke there.
1. Caleb
2. Jayden
3. Drake
4. MHJ
5. Nabers
Then what? If the Giants don't love JJ then you take Odunze?Picking top 6 it seems rough to "settle", and while I hope Odunze is a beast that is what it will feel like.
Then you auction the pick for JJ McCarthy.
According to Sky King's Vikings insider connection, Minnesota doesn't want JJM.
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Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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This is fake news regarding Daniel Jones. Ownership and the front office are ready to move on and he's not in their long-term plans.
Yup, saw that. The obvious question is, can get the the/a QB they've identified as one to move forward with in this draft. NE (depending who they take) and MINN/DEN could put a wrench into things. Thursday can't get here soon enough.
Denver seems to have decided to go in a different direction.
Harrison could drop to 6
The Giants will have one of Nabers, Harrison or QB#4 available unless the unusual takes place (someone selecting Alt)
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look like they will have a shot at either: Nabers or Harrison.
Harrison could drop to 6
The Giants will have one of Nabers, Harrison or QB#4 available unless the unusual takes place (someone selecting Alt)
Agreed except for Harrison Jr. No way he drops to 6.
trade down and then trade back up when its less costly?
He did. The Lions also ended up with Jahmyr Gibbs, Brian Branch, and Sam LaPorta, and the Texans with Will Anderson, with the picks he traded both teams. Should honestly give them pause to doing too much maneuvering this year.
1. Bears - Williams
2. Commanders - Daniels
3. Patriots - Maye
4. Vikings - McCarthy
5. Chargers - Harrison Jr
6. Giants - Nabers