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"Vikings and Cards have had productive talks for 4" - Rickey

bigblue5611 : 4/22/2024 1:11 pm
Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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1h
Not much has changed but teams know that Jayden will be the pick at 2.
I still expect the Pats to stay put and pick at 3 (sounds like they prefer Maye over JJMC).
Vikings and Cardinals have had productive discussions for the fourth pick. Broncos are also a team to watch here
Pretty sure AZ  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 4/22/2024 1:13 pm : link
isn't falling back outside of the top 10. They need to get a WR for Kyler. Top 3 WR won't be available at pick 12.
RE: Pretty sure AZ  
mphbullet36 : 4/22/2024 1:14 pm : link
In comment 16479514 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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isn't falling back outside of the top 10. They need to get a WR for Kyler. Top 3 WR won't be available at pick 12.


You could def see a trade back from the QB spot to then trade back in for a WR spot.

It will be far less costly to get to 7 8 or 9 from 11.
didn't Ossenfort  
mphbullet36 : 4/22/2024 1:15 pm : link
do the exact same thing last draft

trade down and then trade back up when its less costly?
RE: Pretty sure AZ  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 1:15 pm : link
In comment 16479514 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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isn't falling back outside of the top 10. They need to get a WR for Kyler. Top 3 WR won't be available at pick 12.


They have traded down and then back up before, just last year actually. They went from pick 3 to 12 then back up to 6 to get their guy in Paris Johnson Jr (who had a solid rookie year at LT). No reason they couldn't get picks 11, 23 and 2025 1st from the Vikings and then flip picks 11 and 23 or less to the Chargers for their top choice of WR plus a 2025 1st from the Vikings.
RE: didn't Ossenfort  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 1:17 pm : link
In comment 16479518 mphbullet36 said:
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do the exact same thing last draft

trade down and then trade back up when its less costly?


Yes, I outlined this in my previous post. If Maye is there at 4, I feel less confident in Schoen getting it done as he seems to be ready to be very conservative about QB.
Will be interesting to see what happens at 5 in this scenario  
Mike in NJ : 4/22/2024 1:17 pm : link
With all of the smoke around Nabers, and the maybe/maybe not interest in McCarthy, I have a feeling we see someone try to jump ahead us to grab one of those guys.
RE: RE: Pretty sure AZ  
jvm52106 : 4/22/2024 1:17 pm : link
In comment 16479519 BleedBlue46 said:
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isn't falling back outside of the top 10. They need to get a WR for Kyler. Top 3 WR won't be available at pick 12.



They have traded down and then back up before, just last year actually. They went from pick 3 to 12 then back up to 6 to get their guy in Paris Johnson Jr (who had a solid rookie year at LT). No reason they couldn't get picks 11, 23 and 2025 1st from the Vikings and then flip picks 11 and 23 or less to the Chargers for their top choice of WR plus a 2025 1st from the Vikings.


It is different this year as they already have two first picks (another one late). They need top players, a drop to Gmen at 6 makes sense but not beyond that. No reason to.
RE: Will be interesting to see what happens at 5 in this scenario  
Mike in NJ : 4/22/2024 1:18 pm : link
In comment 16479522 Mike in NJ said:
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With all of the smoke around Nabers, and the maybe/maybe not interest in McCarthy, I have a feeling we see someone try to jump ahead us to grab one of those guys.


Actually I guess in that scenario QBs are going 1-4, so would be someone moving up for Nabers.
If true  
bigblue5611 : 4/22/2024 1:18 pm : link
Let's hope the relationship between Cowden and Ossenfort does something for the Giants...
I am so glad the Giants won those three meaningless  
Jay on the Island : 4/22/2024 1:19 pm : link
games vs the Patriots and Commanders twice.
Yawn  
Sammo85 : 4/22/2024 1:21 pm : link
Generalistic speculation.
If the Cards want one of Nabers/MHjr/Odunze  
RCPhoenix : 4/22/2024 1:21 pm : link
then a trade with the Giants would guarantee them of that happening - assuming the first 3 off the board are the QBs.

Trading out of the top 10 and then trying to trade up for one of the 3 WRs is far riskier than trading with the Giants.

RE: I am so glad the Giants won those three meaningless  
MojoEd : 4/22/2024 1:22 pm : link
In comment 16479529 Jay on the Island said:
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games vs the Patriots and Commanders twice.

Can’t you feel that contagious winning culture? Joking aside, Dabol is going to claw and scratch for every win he can, because taking one for the team means he is fired.
There seems to be one looming scenario here  
BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit : 4/22/2024 1:23 pm : link
I think unless we are "all in" on one specific QB we are better off with Minny trading up. The worst case scenario for me seems to be if the Giants don't like McCarthy and it's smoke there.

1. Caleb
2. Jayden
3. Drake
4. MHJ
5. Nabers

Then what? If the Giants don't love JJ then you take Odunze?Picking top 6 it seems rough to "settle", and while I hope Odunze is a beast that is what it will feel like.
RE: RE: RE: Pretty sure AZ  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 1:23 pm : link
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isn't falling back outside of the top 10. They need to get a WR for Kyler. Top 3 WR won't be available at pick 12.



They have traded down and then back up before, just last year actually. They went from pick 3 to 12 then back up to 6 to get their guy in Paris Johnson Jr (who had a solid rookie year at LT). No reason they couldn't get picks 11, 23 and 2025 1st from the Vikings and then flip picks 11 and 23 or less to the Chargers for their top choice of WR plus a 2025 1st from the Vikings.



It is different this year as they already have two first picks (another one late). They need top players, a drop to Gmen at 6 makes sense but not beyond that. No reason to.


Sure there is if they have a deal in place with LAC to go right back up. They could get their target plus Vikings 2025 1st potentially. That's a good reason.
RE: RE: Pretty sure AZ  
santacruzom : 4/22/2024 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16479519 BleedBlue46 said:
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isn't falling back outside of the top 10. They need to get a WR for Kyler. Top 3 WR won't be available at pick 12.



They have traded down and then back up before, just last year actually. They went from pick 3 to 12 then back up to 6 to get their guy in Paris Johnson Jr (who had a solid rookie year at LT). No reason they couldn't get picks 11, 23 and 2025 1st from the Vikings and then flip picks 11 and 23 or less to the Chargers for their top choice of WR plus a 2025 1st from the Vikings.


I get that but... why not then just get the Giants' 6 and our 1st next year? I just feel like trading with the Vikings and then maneuvering again to trade back up gets them nearly to the same place they'd be if they trade with us, but with a sure pick at 6 instead of a hypothetical that relies on a trade. Plus our 1st next year will likely be higher than the Vikings'.
Well I am preparing myself to have to settle for Nabers  
Rjanyg : 4/22/2024 1:26 pm : link
lol!

For the last month the 4 players I expected to be Giants are
Maye, JJM. Nabers or Odunze.

I like all 4 players. I will be good with anyone of them.

Nabers at 6 and keep your draft picks is not a bad outcome guys.
Everyone is forgetting Brian Thomas Jr. as a viable top WR  
Formerly TD : 4/22/2024 1:26 pm : link
The Cards could absolutely be ok with trading back to 11 or so and betting on Thomas being there for them.

Personally, I think he’s WR3 - ahead of Odunze (better competition, separation, triangle #s and similar production.

I don’t get the over-the-top love for Odunze, frankly. But in any case, the Cards may view this as a “big-4 WR” draft and be ok with trading back to 11 or 12 with the pretty good chance at landing one of them.
Minny senda 11+23+next years 1st to ‘Zona for 4  
90.Cal : 4/22/2024 1:26 pm : link
‘Zona sends New York 11+23 for 6th.
RE: RE: RE: Pretty sure AZ  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 1:27 pm : link
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isn't falling back outside of the top 10. They need to get a WR for Kyler. Top 3 WR won't be available at pick 12.



They have traded down and then back up before, just last year actually. They went from pick 3 to 12 then back up to 6 to get their guy in Paris Johnson Jr (who had a solid rookie year at LT). No reason they couldn't get picks 11, 23 and 2025 1st from the Vikings and then flip picks 11 and 23 or less to the Chargers for their top choice of WR plus a 2025 1st from the Vikings.



I get that but... why not then just get the Giants' 6 and our 1st next year? I just feel like trading with the Vikings and then maneuvering again to trade back up gets them nearly to the same place they'd be if they trade with us, but with a sure pick at 6 instead of a hypothetical that relies on a trade. Plus our 1st next year will likely be higher than the Vikings'.


I don't see Schoen trading the 2025 1st personally (and GoDeep said the same). I wouldn't want to trade the 2025 first either.
RE: RE: RE: Pretty sure AZ  
RCPhoenix : 4/22/2024 1:28 pm : link
In comment 16479546 santacruzom said:
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isn't falling back outside of the top 10. They need to get a WR for Kyler. Top 3 WR won't be available at pick 12.



They have traded down and then back up before, just last year actually. They went from pick 3 to 12 then back up to 6 to get their guy in Paris Johnson Jr (who had a solid rookie year at LT). No reason they couldn't get picks 11, 23 and 2025 1st from the Vikings and then flip picks 11 and 23 or less to the Chargers for their top choice of WR plus a 2025 1st from the Vikings.



I get that but... why not then just get the Giants' 6 and our 1st next year? I just feel like trading with the Vikings and then maneuvering again to trade back up gets them nearly to the same place they'd be if they trade with us, but with a sure pick at 6 instead of a hypothetical that relies on a trade. Plus our 1st next year will likely be higher than the Vikings'.


Agreed - it's the much safer route and guarantees them one of the top 3 WRs.
Who is  
barens : 4/22/2024 1:36 pm : link
"Pretty Ricky"?
Basically 3 opportunities for teams to move ahead of the Giants to get  
Ivan15 : 4/22/2024 1:40 pm : link
To QB3 and QB4. It really looks like the Giants have no chance for one unless they trade up. And I wouldn’t trade the 2025 first round pick no matter what.
RE: I am so glad the Giants won those three meaningless  
Optimus-NY : 4/22/2024 1:40 pm : link
In comment 16479529 Jay on the Island said:
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games vs the Patriots and Commanders twice.


RE: I am so glad the Giants won those three meaningless  
jvm52106 : 4/22/2024 1:41 pm : link
In comment 16479529 Jay on the Island said:
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games vs the Patriots and Commanders twice.


stop, stop.. Unless they were the last three games of the season this kind of take is worthless.
Reality is starting to kick in for me.  
The_Boss : 4/22/2024 1:41 pm : link
Hopefully Schoen sees something to like about the 2025 QB class.
RE: I am so glad the Giants won those three meaningless  
blueblood : 4/22/2024 1:43 pm : link
In comment 16479529 Jay on the Island said:
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games vs the Patriots and Commanders twice.


Yes..try and convince 53 players to tank.. and keep the respect of the team... yeah not gionna happen

tanking is a fan fantasy
RE: RE: I am so glad the Giants won those three meaningless  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 1:49 pm : link
In comment 16479592 blueblood said:
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games vs the Patriots and Commanders twice.



Yes..try and convince 53 players to tank.. and keep the respect of the team... yeah not gionna happen

tanking is a fan fantasy


Trading Saquon for anything even a 7th round pick to the Ravens or Texans would have been very smart.
RE: RE: I am so glad the Giants won those three meaningless  
jvm52106 : 4/22/2024 1:49 pm : link
In comment 16479592 blueblood said:
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games vs the Patriots and Commanders twice.



Yes..try and convince 53 players to tank.. and keep the respect of the team... yeah not gionna happen

tanking is a fan fantasy


+1 and as I said above, its not like those wins were the last three games of the season.
Giants  
bc4life : 4/22/2024 1:50 pm : link
look like they will have a shot at either: Nabers or Harrison.

Harrison could drop to 6
RE: RE: RE: I am so glad the Giants won those three meaningless  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 1:51 pm : link
In comment 16479598 jvm52106 said:
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games vs the Patriots and Commanders twice.



Yes..try and convince 53 players to tank.. and keep the respect of the team... yeah not gionna happen

tanking is a fan fantasy



+1 and as I said above, its not like those wins were the last three games of the season.


The talk about wins vs losses is dumb, we were 3 plays away from both 3 wins and 9 wins, it balanced out. Not trading Saquon was also dumb and the only thing we could have done to influence our draft position.
RE: I am so glad the Giants won those three meaningless  
Trainmaster : 4/22/2024 1:54 pm : link
Let’s root for the Giants to go 0-17 in 2025, 2026 and 2027. Think of all that draft capital !!!

Win as many games as you can and worry the potential impact the draft later.

Losing the “Chase Young Bowl” turned out much better for the Giants.

RE: didn't Ossenfort  
4xchamps : 4/22/2024 1:59 pm : link
In comment 16479518 mphbullet36 said:
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do the exact same thing last draft

trade down and then trade back up when its less costly?


Assuming there are willing partners....
I just watched  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 2:00 pm : link
a bunch of "final" mock drafts from the pundits... almost all had the Giants taking Nabers.
RE: I just watched  
bigblue5611 : 4/22/2024 2:02 pm : link
In comment 16479619 Eric from BBI said:
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a bunch of "final" mock drafts from the pundits... almost all had the Giants taking Nabers.


Any recollection on how accurate mocks were the past 2 years for Giants? Honest question...
Eric  
bc4life : 4/22/2024 2:03 pm : link
You think they pass on Harrison for Nabers?
RE: RE: I just watched  
bigblue5611 : 4/22/2024 2:03 pm : link
In comment 16479622 bigblue5611 said:
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a bunch of "final" mock drafts from the pundits... almost all had the Giants taking Nabers.



Any recollection on how accurate mocks were the past 2 years for Giants? Honest question...


These "final" mocks more specifically...
RE: RE: I just watched  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 2:06 pm : link
In comment 16479622 bigblue5611 said:
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a bunch of "final" mock drafts from the pundits... almost all had the Giants taking Nabers.



Any recollection on how accurate mocks were the past 2 years for Giants? Honest question...


Mock drafts outside the top 10 are virtually worthless. Dis mocks have the Giants taking Evan Neal? Of course.
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 2:06 pm : link
In comment 16479624 bc4life said:
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You think they pass on Harrison for Nabers?


I have no idea which WR they prefer.
RE: Everyone is forgetting Brian Thomas Jr. as a viable top WR  
Festina Lente : 4/22/2024 2:07 pm : link
In comment 16479548 Formerly TD said:
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The Cards could absolutely be ok with trading back to 11 or so and betting on Thomas being there for them.

Personally, I think he’s WR3 - ahead of Odunze (better competition, separation, triangle #s and similar production.

I don’t get the over-the-top love for Odunze, frankly. But in any case, the Cards may view this as a “big-4 WR” draft and be ok with trading back to 11 or 12 with the pretty good chance at landing one of them.


This is a good point. I think many teams may hold that viewpoint, including our own
Nabers  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 2:07 pm : link
is being pegged with the Giants almost as often as Alt is being pegged with the Titans.
Cards may trade back  
bc4life : 4/22/2024 2:10 pm : link
and use it to load up on defensive picks
RE: RE: RE: I just watched  
bigblue5611 : 4/22/2024 2:14 pm : link
In comment 16479631 Eric from BBI said:
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a bunch of "final" mock drafts from the pundits... almost all had the Giants taking Nabers.



Any recollection on how accurate mocks were the past 2 years for Giants? Honest question...



Mock drafts outside the top 10 are virtually worthless. Dis mocks have the Giants taking Evan Neal? Of course.


For what it's worth, Duggan was suggesting Giants take Banks and JMS last year... This year it's Maye/Nabers depending on if they can get Maye or not...
RE: There seems to be one looming scenario here  
FStubbs : 4/22/2024 2:18 pm : link
In comment 16479541 BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit said:
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I think unless we are "all in" on one specific QB we are better off with Minny trading up. The worst case scenario for me seems to be if the Giants don't like McCarthy and it's smoke there.

1. Caleb
2. Jayden
3. Drake
4. MHJ
5. Nabers

Then what? If the Giants don't love JJ then you take Odunze?Picking top 6 it seems rough to "settle", and while I hope Odunze is a beast that is what it will feel like.


Then you auction the pick for JJ McCarthy.
RE: RE: There seems to be one looming scenario here  
Dankbeerman : 4/22/2024 2:24 pm : link
In comment 16479673 FStubbs said:
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I think unless we are "all in" on one specific QB we are better off with Minny trading up. The worst case scenario for me seems to be if the Giants don't like McCarthy and it's smoke there.

1. Caleb
2. Jayden
3. Drake
4. MHJ
5. Nabers

Then what? If the Giants don't love JJ then you take Odunze?Picking top 6 it seems rough to "settle", and while I hope Odunze is a beast that is what it will feel like.



Then you auction the pick for JJ McCarthy.
You play Denver against Minn until you get 12, Surtain and their 2025 1st.
re: Alt and the WRs  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 2:25 pm : link
Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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2h
This is fake news regarding Daniel Jones. Ownership and the front office are ready to move on and he's not in their long-term plans.
Isn’t it a strange that Ricky  
DonnieD89 : 4/22/2024 2:26 pm : link
does not have any solid information about the Giants? I guess that means that Giants staff is pretty tight lipped.
RE: I am so glad the Giants won those three meaningless  
LS : 4/22/2024 2:29 pm : link
In comment 16479529 Jay on the Island said:
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games vs the Patriots and Commanders twice.

Why even have a team if the object is to lose games? Never understand this. Hey, maybe they were trying to lose, and the others teams were too, but they were just better at losing. That's probably it.
RE: re: Alt and the WRs  
bigblue5611 : 4/22/2024 2:29 pm : link
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Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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2h
This is fake news regarding Daniel Jones. Ownership and the front office are ready to move on and he's not in their long-term plans.


Yup, saw that. The obvious question is, can get the the/a QB they've identified as one to move forward with in this draft. NE (depending who they take) and MINN/DEN could put a wrench into things. Thursday can't get here soon enough.
Yawn  
ZogZerg : 4/22/2024 2:34 pm : link
This guy hasn't posted anything that isn't already speculated. At least not in the last week.
RE: RE: There seems to be one looming scenario here  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 2:38 pm : link
In comment 16479673 FStubbs said:
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I think unless we are "all in" on one specific QB we are better off with Minny trading up. The worst case scenario for me seems to be if the Giants don't like McCarthy and it's smoke there.

1. Caleb
2. Jayden
3. Drake
4. MHJ
5. Nabers

Then what? If the Giants don't love JJ then you take Odunze?Picking top 6 it seems rough to "settle", and while I hope Odunze is a beast that is what it will feel like.



Then you auction the pick for JJ McCarthy.


According to Sky King's Vikings insider connection, Minnesota doesn't want JJM.
RE: RE: re: Alt and the WRs  
RCPhoenix : 4/22/2024 2:50 pm : link
In comment 16479701 bigblue5611 said:
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Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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This is fake news regarding Daniel Jones. Ownership and the front office are ready to move on and he's not in their long-term plans.



Yup, saw that. The obvious question is, can get the the/a QB they've identified as one to move forward with in this draft. NE (depending who they take) and MINN/DEN could put a wrench into things. Thursday can't get here soon enough.


Denver seems to have decided to go in a different direction.

RE: Giants  
nochance : 4/22/2024 3:56 pm : link
In comment 16479601 bc4life said:
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look like they will have a shot at either: Nabers or Harrison.

Harrison could drop to 6



The Giants will have one of Nabers, Harrison or QB#4 available unless the unusual takes place (someone selecting Alt)
RE: RE: Giants  
Optimus-NY : 4/22/2024 3:57 pm : link
In comment 16479895 nochance said:
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look like they will have a shot at either: Nabers or Harrison.

Harrison could drop to 6




The Giants will have one of Nabers, Harrison or QB#4 available unless the unusual takes place (someone selecting Alt)


Agreed except for Harrison Jr. No way he drops to 6.
I really hope the Vikings move up and  
TinVA : 4/22/2024 3:57 pm : link
save us from taking JJM.
RE: didn't Ossenfort  
kelsto811 : 4/22/2024 4:11 pm : link
In comment 16479518 mphbullet36 said:
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do the exact same thing last draft

trade down and then trade back up when its less costly?


He did. The Lions also ended up with Jahmyr Gibbs, Brian Branch, and Sam LaPorta, and the Texans with Will Anderson, with the picks he traded both teams. Should honestly give them pause to doing too much maneuvering this year.
If  
Carl in CT : 4/22/2024 4:21 pm : link
Nabers/Harrison go then there is a QB . Either pick him or move down for a boatload. If chargers move down then you have Nabers/MHJR sitting there for the taking.
Sounds like what many mock drafts came out with  
GFAN52 : 4/22/2024 4:25 pm : link
Willlcone to pass:

1. Bears - Williams
2. Commanders - Daniels
3. Patriots - Maye
4. Vikings - McCarthy
5. Chargers - Harrison Jr
6. Giants - Nabers
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if we take a WR at this point.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/22/2024 4:47 pm : link
Lots of people on here are going to be pissed.
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