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Would be comfortable tradingPick 6 + 2 2nd rounders for JJM?

JoeyBigBlue : 4/22/2024 2:06 pm
Let’s say the draft goes 1. Williams, 2. Daniels, 3. Maye. The Cardinals are interested in trading back. Would you be comfortable trading Picks 6, 47, and next year’s 2nd for McCarthy? I think this is a real possibility as the Cardinals would still get Harrison or Nabers at 6 and get 2 second rounders. Now are you as the GM of the Giants, comfortable making f this deal?

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No  
Anakim : 4/22/2024 2:08 pm : link
I wouldn't
I would stick to 70 and 2025 2nd.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 2:09 pm : link
Then flip 47 and a conditional 2025 4th/3rd for Aiyuk.
RE: No  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/22/2024 2:10 pm : link
In comment 16479640 Anakim said:
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I wouldn't



I wouldn’t either. If it was Maye, 100% yes. I’d risk my job on his ceiling. McCarthy is a nice kid, but his ceiling is not anywhere near as high as I’d like.
If the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 2:10 pm : link
Giants believe in McCarthy, you do that deal.

But stating the obvious, if they have significant doubt, you don't.
No  
Vinny from Danbury : 4/22/2024 2:10 pm : link
.
No  
Breeze_94 : 4/22/2024 2:11 pm : link
The Giants do not have to trade up. They either get a QB or an elite WR prospect. Both outcomes make the team better and address huge needs. A trade up does not make sense, unless you are getting an elite blue chip type of prospect. While he may end up being a good QB, I don’t think Mcacarthy is that “blue chip” type of passer you trade up for.
RE: I would stick to 70 and 2025 2nd.  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/22/2024 2:11 pm : link
In comment 16479643 BleedBlue46 said:
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Then flip 47 and a conditional 2025 4th/3rd for Aiyuk.


2nd round picks are valuable to NFL GMs. No way the Cardinals make that trade.
There's almost no package  
kash94 : 4/22/2024 2:12 pm : link
that's too much for a franchise QB IMO but I don't think JJM is that guy so no
those  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 2:13 pm : link
saying no had better not be proposing giving away next year's #1 to move to take Penix. But that makes even less sense.
RE: If the  
Section331 : 4/22/2024 2:13 pm : link
In comment 16479647 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants believe in McCarthy, you do that deal.

But stating the obvious, if they have significant doubt, you don't.


This.
RE: those  
Sean : 4/22/2024 2:14 pm : link
In comment 16479657 Eric from BBI said:
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saying no had better not be proposing giving away next year's #1 to move to take Penix. But that makes even less sense.

The exercise is silly because people have such a bias with QB. That price is pretty cheap if NYG has a conviction on McCarthy.
RE: RE: I would stick to 70 and 2025 2nd.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 2:14 pm : link
In comment 16479652 JoeyBigBlue said:
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In comment 16479643 BleedBlue46 said:


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Then flip 47 and a conditional 2025 4th/3rd for Aiyuk.



2nd round picks are valuable to NFL GMs. No way the Cardinals make that trade.


I wouldn't say no way. The most accurate nfl draft prognosticators said pick 107 and 2025 2nd for pick swap with AZ, GoDeep said pick 70 and 2025 2nd. This is assuming Minnesota isn't all in on JJM to get pick 4 for a reasonable cost. If it's Maye at 4, then I would imagine the cost would go up a lot as I think Minnesota is all in on Maye and would trade pick 11, 23 and 2025 1st or more for him.
I am fine moving to get JJM  
jvm52106 : 4/22/2024 2:15 pm : link
if that is who they want to get but if not, then I agree with trading back- snag Nix (or Penix if that is your preference) and other picks..
If they know he's their guy  
bigblue5611 : 4/22/2024 2:15 pm : link
then absolutely.
RE: those  
Brown_Hornet : 4/22/2024 2:20 pm : link
In comment 16479657 Eric from BBI said:
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saying no had better not be proposing giving away next year's #1 to move to take Penix. But that makes even less sense.
Does it.
If they select Rome or Nabers?
I like Penix  
SleepyOwl : 4/22/2024 2:24 pm : link
Better than JJM. It’s really difficult to watch the tape on both guys and argue that JJM is better than Penix there’s just no way.
RE: those  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/22/2024 2:27 pm : link
In comment 16479657 Eric from BBI said:
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saying no had better not be proposing giving away next year's #1 to move to take Penix. But that makes even less sense.



Unless it’s Caleb or Daniels, I’m not comfortable trading next year’s first.
RE: RE: those  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 2:27 pm : link
In comment 16479681 Brown_Hornet said:
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In comment 16479657 Eric from BBI said:


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saying no had better not be proposing giving away next year's #1 to move to take Penix. But that makes even less sense.

Does it.
If they select Rome or Nabers?


If I have McCarthy clearly ranked over Penix, then you take the QB who you have more faith in.

Aside from that, does Penix even get in range again (i.e., past the Raiders and Broncos in the first round)?
Yes  
Jay on the Island : 4/22/2024 2:28 pm : link
I would do that without hesitation.
I agree on JJ...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/22/2024 2:35 pm : link
...so I would take him at 6 if he's there.
But, if the Giants really like Penix and have an opportunity to get him after making a different pick at 6, well, it all depends upon how they really feel about the QB.
Absolutely not  
Mike from Ohio : 4/22/2024 2:37 pm : link
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Yes  
Rjanyg : 4/22/2024 2:39 pm : link
But as BB46 stated, 6, 70 and 2025 2nd round pick would be ideal.
RE: those  
Mike from Ohio : 4/22/2024 2:39 pm : link
In comment 16479657 Eric from BBI said:
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saying no had better not be proposing giving away next year's #1 to move to take Penix. But that makes even less sense.


Which QB are the Giants saving that 2025 first round pick for? Or are we ok, looking to 2026 draft to grab a QB? Or do you like Dak in free agency?
That would be painful  
ZogZerg : 4/22/2024 2:40 pm : link
But, if the Giants are all in, I'd be OK with it.
No...  
bw in dc : 4/22/2024 2:41 pm : link
but I would hold my nose and accept it because JMac would be the best QB talent on the roster ahead of Lock.

...  
ryanmkeane : 4/22/2024 2:43 pm : link
No
Honestly  
Amtoft : 4/22/2024 2:45 pm : link
at this point I don't have a choice. It would not be my ideal, but if JJM turns into a top 15 QB it will be worth it.
Yes  
Danny Kanell : 4/22/2024 2:49 pm : link
Not even a question.
RE: Honestly  
bw in dc : 4/22/2024 2:52 pm : link
In comment 16479748 Amtoft said:
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at this point I don't have a choice. It would not be my ideal, but if JJM turns into a top 15 QB it will be worth it.


If NYG doesn't select a QB in the lottery, the reaction of Team Jones is going to be like Brian Drew's family when Sonny passed on Bo Callahan with the #1 pick.
RE: If the  
Blue21 : 4/22/2024 2:53 pm : link
In comment 16479647 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants believe in McCarthy, you do that deal.

But stating the obvious, if they have significant doubt, you don't.
Simple answer but the right answer. You don't let a QB you want slip away over that.
Not even comfortable using #6 on JJM so this hypothetical  
ThomasG : 4/22/2024 2:55 pm : link
is a no way for me.

Would get creative to land one of the other tier 2 guys though just to finally move on from DJ and take a swing.
RE: RE: Honestly  
Mike from Ohio : 4/22/2024 2:56 pm : link
In comment 16479760 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16479748 Amtoft said:


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at this point I don't have a choice. It would not be my ideal, but if JJM turns into a top 15 QB it will be worth it.



If NYG doesn't select a QB in the lottery, the reaction of Team Jones is going to be like Brian Drew's family when Sonny passed on Bo Callahan with the #1 pick.


Who is Team Jones? Even Jones himself has to know his NFL career as a starter is over. Schoen not getting a QB has nothing to do with having continued, misplaced faith in Jones. It will just signal he hasn't yet identified any way to fix it. A problem that he made demonstrably worse since he got here.
I would be shocked if we traded up at all for a QB.  
carpoon : 4/22/2024 2:57 pm : link
As Phil Simms said, other than Williams, none of the others are worth moving up and giving up draft picks for. I agree. Darnold and Rosen looked a lot better than any of these players.
RE: RE: Honestly  
Amtoft : 4/22/2024 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16479760 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16479748 Amtoft said:


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at this point I don't have a choice. It would not be my ideal, but if JJM turns into a top 15 QB it will be worth it.



If NYG doesn't select a QB in the lottery, the reaction of Team Jones is going to be like Brian Drew's family when Sonny passed on Bo Callahan with the #1 pick.


I like JJM... Is he worth two extra 2nds? I agree if we don't get a top 6 QB it is going to be a mad house here. Will you hear the Team Jones people over just Go Terps alone?
that would be a  
cactus : 4/22/2024 3:05 pm : link
disaster.

either a qb, nabers, and/or mhj will be there at 6. two generational talents at wr or a qb worthy of a top 6 pick. just stay put.
It doesn't much matter what any of us are comfortable with  
logman : 4/22/2024 3:10 pm : link
The price is gonna be whatever it is, if it even happens and there's really only the NYG front office that has to feel comfortable with that price.

Ewwww  
Festina Lente : 4/22/2024 3:11 pm : link
Absolutely not. But we'll have to wait and see
Would be comfortable tradingPick 6 + 2 2nd rounders for JJM?  
M.S. : 4/22/2024 3:20 pm : link

Nope. But I'm not Joe Schoen or Brian Daboll. If they love this guy, they would agree with me.
I think it has been said that if JJM stayed in college he would  
Rjanyg : 4/22/2024 3:26 pm : link
be the projected QB1 in the 2025 draft.

If this is remotely possible, trading 6,47 and a 2025 2nd round pick seems like a fair deal.
what  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 3:34 pm : link
I'm trying to wrap my ahead around is that Giants fans want the QB, but they don't want to realistic pay the price to get one.
RE: what  
Amtoft : 4/22/2024 3:38 pm : link
In comment 16479837 Eric from BBI said:
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I'm trying to wrap my ahead around is that Giants fans want the QB, but they don't want to realistic pay the price to get one.


They don't want to pay the price for the 4th QB... they want one of the top 3 guys. If you asked 6 plus 2 2nd rounders for Maye you would probably have a lot more people wanting it. Daniels you would have people willing to give up a 1st and Caleb some would give up multiple 1sts.
Amtoft  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 3:41 pm : link
No, I see people on this thread who don't want to pay the price saying they would be happy with the 5th and 6th best QBs in this class... which makes little sense to me unless you are convinced that Nix, Penix, and McCarthy are the same.

If you think McCarthy can become one of the six best QBs in your conference, two extra 2nd rounders is nothing.
the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 3:43 pm : link
top three QBs are off the board, unless the Patriots are willing to trade down (not likely) and the Giants are willing to part with next year's #1 (questionable).
Of course, if he’s your guy that’s not much  
UConn4523 : 4/22/2024 3:45 pm : link
you do that in a heartbeat.
There's two perspectives  
Go Terps : 4/22/2024 3:46 pm : link
1. From the evaluation perspective I don't think McCarthy is worth that trade. I don't think McCarthy is worth Penix + picks.

2. If that trade is the only way the Giants walk from this draft with a QB I'd rather do that than draft a WR at 6. It's a dumb "full bloom love" method of operating but with this ownership it's become clear we have to hope for good outcomes resulting from shitty inputs.
It's a small price, relative to other QB pick trades,  
j_rud : 4/22/2024 3:48 pm : link
if you believe in the QB. I've watched a ahole lot of football in my life but Im not a talent evaluator. Additionally I think JJM is harder to "grade" for the casual fan bc a lot of his grade is trying to project what he can't do vs what he wasn't asked to do. And I'm very interested in Bobby Skinners take bc he says it wasn't just the O, that McCarthy chose to not pull the trigger on some big throws that were there. That's a concern.

The other side of the coin is the intangibles, which we all know are through the roof. Kid told recruits to go somewhere else if they wanted to party and chase girls, bc his class was gonna restore Michigan football. Then he went 3-0 vs OSU and won a national title. So bet against the kid at your own risk.
I'd  
AcidTest : 4/22/2024 3:48 pm : link
swallow hard and do it in all likelihood.
That's not even  
TinVA : 4/22/2024 3:51 pm : link
funny, it's ridiculous and should never be written or spoken again.
Go Terps  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 3:51 pm : link
Conflicting reports on McCarthy and the Giants. They may agree with you about Maye and may be talking him up to get some team to move in front of them. We just don't know. We may never know.
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RE: If the  
barens : 4/22/2024 3:53 pm : link
In comment 16479647 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants believe in McCarthy, you do that deal.

But stating the obvious, if they have significant doubt, you don't.


That's what it is. I know how much we love the draft, but in the grand scheme os things, if the Giants think he's the guy, and they hit, are we going to be sad about 2 second rounders?
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