Came into some information recently and will try and share it exactly how it was disseminated.
Was at a very large get together up in North Jersey and a guy I met is apparently a blood relative of someone high up in the front office. Multiple people at the party attested to this fact.
A few drinks in a bunch of us were talking Giants . We went inside and after a few shots he pulled me and my friend aside as we were talking Giants and the draft with him the most knowledgably and intently.
Here's how he layed it out as best I remember: Parameters between Cards, Giants and Pats have been agreed to for a while if draft goes chalk in top 2.
Though front office opinions on Maye vary quite a bit... Enough teams feel Maye is either a top 2 or top 3 QB in this draft and would be QB1 in most others.
Pats boxed out on the guys they have the highest grade on. Lukewarm on Maye do like McCarthy quite a bit . I asked about all the recent rumors saying they favor Maye and he replied if they truly loved Maye you wouldn't hear all this open for business proclamations from the organization period. Are Chicago and Washington doing this?
Went on to say its very true that both Minny and Giants have been negotiating with Pats most heavily and target is Maye. All other media stuff just white noise. Both teams have Maye as significantly higher than any other QB not named Daniels or Williams.
Giants have the high hand though once it became clear that they can deliver what Pats want most and that would also entail getting the Cards involved. Cards want the blue chip WR and Pats want McCarthy most. Pats get some jingle and McCarthy is how he put it. Also said Pats didn't throw their hat in the ring for a near 9 digit deal with Ridley to pair him with Brisset.
Said Cards are loaded but recognize they can get essentially free picks and still end up with the blue chip after the QB slots thin out.
Oh yeah said Burns deal way back was consummated clearly knowing what Pats wanted most and was explained as when QB is a need for your team it takes precedence over everything including pass rusher.
Ultimately said they have parameters as a 3 way trade as well as double trade up. Not sure which way they go as each permutation is slightly different. Might be a surprise player included going to the Patriots.
Arizona draft MHJ
And we get Maye.
Schoen will be a fool if he gives up premium picks.
Because Minnesota would likely figure out a way to get Maye at 4 or 5 or via their own double trade up. I don't love it, but it makes sense and is what dd in Mass had been saying plus Woodstock seemed like he might be on a similar page too.
So does Ourlads. Sy, what do you know?
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Wonder who…maybe Azeez? Seems to be almost logical. Second guess would be Slayton but I’m not sure that helps NE as they have a bunch of #2/#3 types.
KT? Hyatt? Slayton? Neal? If we traded KT we could potentially do this all for pick 6, 70 2025 2nd and KT. 6, 70 and 2025 2nd to AZ
, then KT to NE. We could then make a move for Aiyuk with 47 and conditional 4th/3rd 2025 pick.
Jones?
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is no more plausible or implausible than everything else we've heard. A three-way deal was always possible, but we've also heard from several asshats that the Giants don't want to give up their #1 next year in any trade. But they can't get to #3 without doing so. PrettyRickey213, who was all over the Burns trade, has also said that the Vikings and Cardinals have had "productive talks." Why would that be happening if this three-way deal was already in place? So which is it? We'll find out in a few days.
If Kayvon was involved, NYG could potentially get this done for just 2025 2nd and pick 70 or 107 to AZ then KT to NE (who would be getting the guy they would take at 3 anyways plus Kayvon for their trouble).
I'd be stunned and pretty pissed if we traded KT. With Burns we now have a plausible pass rush, something that was basically nonexistent last year. Trading him would be idiotic. But I'm fine trading Neal and Ojulari.
I would be too, but who besides Deonte Banks (not moving), Hyatt, Wandale, and KT have value equal to a 2nd at least?
So it I get the pick set up- Gmen to 3, NE to 4 and AZ to 6..
One thing to keep in Mind, New England has the most cap space in 2024 and projected in 2025.. They can take on salary..
So it I get the pick set up- Gmen to 3, NE to 4 and AZ to 6..
One thing to keep in Mind, New England has the most cap space in 2024 and projected in 2025.. They can take on salary..
Daniel Jones type salary?
I kid.
So it I get the pick set up- Gmen to 3, NE to 4 and AZ to 6..
One thing to keep in Mind, New England has the most cap space in 2024 and projected in 2025.. They can take on salary..
No one is taking dj lol
Could be, but I'd be surprised if he moved the needle at all.
I suspect Evan Neal and maybe even Waller (to AZ) could be part of a deal..
Arizona draft MHJ
And we get Maye.
Schoen will be a fool if he gives up premium picks.
Not at all. You don't sit around and wait, you go get the QB. The Vikings are aggressively trying to move up.
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Patriots draft JLL
Arizona draft MHJ
And we get Maye.
Schoen will be a fool if he gives up premium picks.
You're hoping then that Minnesota or someone else doesn't trade up with Arizona or LAC and take Maye.
I think the assumption is that AZ doesn't want to trade with MN because they would lost out on all of the "big three" WRs. They also already have a ton of draft capital.
I think they move the 2025-1 if they need to.
* Jayden Daniels, Commanders
* Drake Maye, Giants (boxed out Vikings because of #6)
* J.J. McCarthy, Patriots (took Giants trade because they still get their QB)
* Chargers
* Cardinals (took trade because guaranteed one MHJ/Nabers/Odunze)
Agreed, unless it's because they feel that doing this deal can net them JJM and extra draft picks. That IMO is too risky when they deal involves a QB, but GMs are often stupid.
* Jayden Daniels, Commanders
* Drake Maye, Giants (boxed out Vikings because of #6)
* J.J. McCarthy, Patriots (took Giants trade because they still get their QB)
* Chargers
* Cardinals (took trade because guaranteed one MHJ/Nabers/Odunze)
Yep. It makes sense. All would be contingent on Daniels to WSH.
I'm envisioning it as a trade up with AZ first for pick 70 or 107 plus 2025 2nd, then flipping a player to NE to move up one spot. I don't see Neal having enough value, only players that could make sense to me would be Hyatt or Thibs.
And I know people would wonder, why trade up with NE after getting to pick 4? All I can think of is honoring your word and maybe Wolf telling Schoen he really wants Maye, but Kraft wants JJM so at least he can get a good player to hedge Kraft's bet?
Because the Giants and Vikings are fighting over the QB they don't want and offering big price tags.
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would be involved at all in this scenario? If they want JJM, just take him 3rd, and the Giants and Cards can work out their own deal.
Agreed, unless it's because they feel that doing this deal can net them JJM and extra draft picks. That IMO is too risky when they deal involves a QB, but GMs are often stupid.
It wouldn't be risky if we traded up with AZ first, then NE.
Because they very well might get an additional first next year.
My thought exactly.
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would be involved at all in this scenario? If they want JJM, just take him 3rd, and the Giants and Cards can work out their own deal.
Because they very well might get an additional first next year.
Or Kayvon or at minimum Hyatt. I still think Schoen could get this done without trading 2025 1st or pick 47, but you're going to lose a promising young player.
I'd be stunned and pretty pissed if we traded KT. With Burns we now have a plausible pass rush, something that was basically nonexistent last year. Trading him would be idiotic. But I'm fine trading Neal and Ojulari.
Everyone not named Andrew Thomas should be expendable and available to trade.
KT is not LT.
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It makes too much sense. Several people said wouldn’t happen because 3 way trades don’t happen. But again, it makes perfect sense for the three teams. It’s a win win win.
Ending with the Giants at 4, Cards at 5, and Chargers at 6?
i'd imagine it's something like 1 day 2 pick to each team, maybe 2 to ARI?
2 contributed by NYG (1x to each),
1 contributed by NE (to ARI).
Is he or is he trying to force his way out of NY.
I thought the same
I also agree with the poster above…if true, way too many loose lips in this org
Chargers and Dolphins got to just sit pat.
What sucks is that this kind of information is disseminated after a few drinks from some wahoo in the Giants organization. I don't want to know anything until they pick at 6. It just pisses me off that this information is getting out.
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Is we couldn’t pull any of this shit in 2020 when we picked 4th.
Chargers and Dolphins got to just sit pat.
What sucks is that this kind of information is disseminated after a few drinks from some wahoo in the Giants organization. I don't want to know anything until they pick at 6. It just pisses me off that this information is getting out.
It's supposedly some wahoo brother of an executive lol, not the executive himself.
NYG - Maye
NE - McCarthy (plus picks)
ARI - Harrison/Nabers (plus picks)
It will be the most expensive for NYG.
Makes sense.
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would be involved at all in this scenario? If they want JJM, just take him 3rd, and the Giants and Cards can work out their own deal.
Because they very well might get an additional first next year.
Or Kayvon or at minimum Hyatt. I still think Schoen could get this done without trading 2025 1st or pick 47, but you're going to lose a promising young player.
If you don't want to trade #47 or our #1 next year, we'd have to trade KT, Neal, Hyatt, and at least our #2 next year. I guess if we traded that many players, we'd be very attractive to UDFAs after the draft.
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would be involved at all in this scenario? If they want JJM, just take him 3rd, and the Giants and Cards can work out their own deal.
Because they very well might get an additional first next year.
Or Kayvon or at minimum Hyatt. I still think Schoen could get this done without trading 2025 1st or pick 47, but you're going to lose a promising young player.
If you don't want to trade #47 or our #1 next year, we'd have to trade KT, Neal, Hyatt, and at least our #2 next year. I guess if we traded that many players, we'd be very attractive to UDFAs after the draft.
I think we could give AZ pick 70 or 107 and 2035 2nd, then NE Kayvon for their trouble. It's basically a free cheap quality edge rusher for 2-3 years and they get the same QB Kraft would have had them draft anyways.
We don't have to trade up with NE first, we could just trade up twice: once to 4 then to 3.
in which case @ least the hamster will be able to rest after a busy Thursday night.
If we include players maybe not.. This trade would move NE and AZ back one pick each, Gmen jump up 2..
I am willing to give up what I need to for Maye..
This could theoretically be done for pick 6, 70, 2025 2nd and Kayvon.
Then factor in that GoDeep admits he was authorized.
My gut is telling me it's been Maye all along.
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I'm sure they have happened, but I can't recall the last time one has.
Technically this could be done as just trading up twice, not really a 3 way trade. I've mentioned this as a likely scenario for a while now, but everytime I was told 0 chance it doesn't happen period end of story.
Since the Patriots need the Cardinals involved it is still one trade up. So the Patriots would end up with Giants draft picks and the Cardinals would end up with Patriot draft picks. Patriots are going down then back up, they're the ones moving twice.
I wouldn't love it, but if they want Maye and maybe Aiyuk for Maye plus their 2025 1st. Then they gotta do what they gotta do.