I don't even know what to say anymore.
I'm not waving the white towel yet, but how do you come back from that?
I recall how they'd fallen behind 2-0 to Toronto in 2002 and won the next two at Nassau to lock it up 2-2 and the series eventually went to Game 7, but last night was such a gut punch I don't really know what to expect for Game 3. Maybe the extra day off between games gives them a chance to recover, but maybe it ends up being a short series, I don't know.
I would be hesitant to compare this team to any previous iterations
Even the 2000 era Islanders. Even when they were bad, they never really quit. The 2023-2024 Islanders are just not mentally tough at all. I may be wrong but I think this team last down in games 3 and 4 and this becomes as easy a playoff series as there are for the Canes.
any credit, that collapse was a collapse, and it's because players relaxed with a 3 goal lead.
The Islanders had 1 shot on net the entire 3rd period. They were outshot 17-1 in the 3rd. that might be a playoff record. They were even outshot 12-4 in the second. Once they went up three goals it's like their heads were in the locker room passing out post game awards.
that's not because of some spell CAR cast on them or suddenly became the Globetrotters playing against the Generals, it's because of a lack of effort on the Islanders part.
If NYI want to take something away to build off (and I'm not calling it a moral victory or anything like that), it's they dominated play for the better part of both games on the road and now they head home in a must win. Real gut check game Thursday. In my head I see Patrick Roy channeling Dennis Green melting down at the podium saying "...they are who we though they were and we let 'em off the hook"
any credit, that collapse was a collapse, and it's because players relaxed with a 3 goal lead.
The Islanders had 1 shot on net the entire 3rd period. They were outshot 17-1 in the 3rd. that might be a playoff record. They were even outshot 12-4 in the second. Once they went up three goals it's like their heads were in the locker room passing out post game awards.
that's not because of some spell CAR cast on them or suddenly became the Globetrotters playing against the Generals, it's because of a lack of effort on the Islanders part.
If NYI want to take something away to build off (and I'm not calling it a moral victory or anything like that), it's they dominated play for the better part of both games on the road and now they head home in a must win. Real gut check game Thursday. In my head I see Patrick Roy channeling Dennis Green melting down at the podium saying "...they are who we though they were and we let 'em off the hook"
Ok … whatever you say … the Islanders are the better team and they blew it. Lol
I have to admit I was excited up 3-0 thinking we finally were going to
But the Cane's take the game to the Islanders in every way: toughness, passing, setting up screens in front of the goalie, and good defense.
Our defense is constantly passing blindly out of the zone and having pucks intercepted and dumped back in deep. Then the same defenseman absorbs another hit and turns the puck over.
It has been that way with this group of D for years!
I don't see it with this group sadly and I actually attended the first Islander home game in 1972 at the Coliseum....pretty much watching every game since.
and even through the very leanest years, I never disliked the roster and the team until this season. I'm sure the players are all lovely people individually, but this is a team that has quiet quit.
The core of this team has been together a very long time. Almost all of them are playing on long term deals with some level of trade protection. There are 10 guys on this roster that can be very comfortable that they will be here long after Roy is gone.
This is a team of guys who love Long Island and love playing together, and none of them have any concerns about job security. The would like to win. But if they don't, there is always next year and the year after that.
any credit, that collapse was a collapse, and it's because players relaxed with a 3 goal lead.
The Islanders had 1 shot on net the entire 3rd period. They were outshot 17-1 in the 3rd. that might be a playoff record. They were even outshot 12-4 in the second. Once they went up three goals it's like their heads were in the locker room passing out post game awards.
that's not because of some spell CAR cast on them or suddenly became the Globetrotters playing against the Generals, it's because of a lack of effort on the Islanders part.
If NYI want to take something away to build off (and I'm not calling it a moral victory or anything like that), it's they dominated play for the better part of both games on the road and now they head home in a must win. Real gut check game Thursday. In my head I see Patrick Roy channeling Dennis Green melting down at the podium saying "...they are who we though they were and we let 'em off the hook"
Except they were beaten wire to wire. The fact they somehow wound up three goals was a miracle. Last night was brutal. This morning is brutal. Sucks waking up miserable but the reality is the Isles would have been very lucky to win that game. To me the Isles should have and easily could have won game one but last night they were dominated. I fucking hate Carolina now the way I hated Tampa a few years back. They are just the better team. Hate to say it but the Isles may need a total rebuild. They are severely flawed.
but the problem is that a rebuild can't start for several more years because of the long term, no trade contracts Lou passes out like razors.
Anders Lee (33) is here for two more seasons @ $7M/year and playing on the third line. He is the captain and emotional leader of a team whose hallmark is long stretches of apathy.
Two more years of JGP (31) @ $5M per year for a guy who kills penalties and wins regular season face-offs. He was getting smoked on the dot last night (6 for 14).
We have Engvall and Mayfield for the next 6 years at a combined $5.5M. Those deals had aged badly before the ink was dry.
Positives? We have Horvat, Brazal and Sorokin signed long term. Pelech and Pulock are also hear long term on deals that are not necessarily bad (approx $6M per for both), but both have NTC and have struggled with injuries.
This team will largely run it back again next year because there simply is no other option for 2024-25.
They never put it on. It was 11+ minutes before they got their first shot. They held the puck for what, 1/20th that Carolina did? The only reason they were in the game was 30+ blocked shots.
There were multiple bad icings, multiple tomes they were pinned so long that the guys couldn't even skate out to the point and pressure the puck they were gassed.
All of that and they still should have pulled that out.
They keep Carolina to the outside, which is good, except when you lose your mark at the far side of the net for easy tap ins.
I imagine Bortuzzo is out next game. Martin or Holmstrom will sit for Fasching but there's not much else they can do.
Roy just seeing who he wants to keep for his real year 1
has that ever happened before.
Nice saves on 12 SOG, that's a weak ass 0.075 SV%.
If the freaking Islanders had given a shit in the third period and managed, I don't know, 10 SOG, maybe they win 4-1 or 4-2 and there is no chaotic ending.
I agree with the post above on Lee. He was a great player and captain at one point in time, if they can't move him or buy him out then he needs to relinquish the "C" and Horvat should be the new leader.
It was an asskicking disguised as a comeback. Isles were completely dominated the entire game and had enough puck luck (and bad CAR goaltending to get ahead) and basically played like they were on the PK for 40 minutes afterward.
I'm not even sure what's the point (fanwise) of watching a game like that when the team is in their zone the entire game and has few chances for the last 2 periods. Roy has talked about not going into a shell when ahead, so I don't even think it was intentional. The Canes just went into their "A" game once they fell down 3-0 and Isles weren't able to come anywhere near matching that.
I'll keep an eye on Game 3 during the draft on Thursday, but I think I'm too disgusted by what I saw to really get all into it. Maybe that'll change in a few days. Hopefully the fans actually going to the game are better fans than me and can make a nice home ice atmosphere.
RE: Worst hockey game I think I've ever see as an NYI fan
It was an asskicking disguised as a comeback. Isles were completely dominated the entire game and had enough puck luck (and bad CAR goaltending to get ahead) and basically played like they were on the PK for 40 minutes afterward.
I'm not even sure what's the point (fanwise) of watching a game like that when the team is in their zone the entire game and has few chances for the last 2 periods. Roy has talked about not going into a shell when ahead, so I don't even think it was intentional. The Canes just went into their "A" game once they fell down 3-0 and Isles weren't able to come anywhere near matching that.
I'll keep an eye on Game 3 during the draft on Thursday, but I think I'm too disgusted by what I saw to really get all into it. Maybe that'll change in a few days. Hopefully the fans actually going to the game are better fans than me and can make a nice home ice atmosphere.
I am doing the same thing for Game 3. I feel like I need a break from the emotional roller coaster this season has been. Even through the leanest years I never stopped loving this team. The 2023-2024 version of this team is different. They are difficult to root for.
as they say... but I am not confident at all. Lee is a shell of himself, guys like martin, holmstrom etc add absolutely nothing in a playoff game. Canes dominated the possesion, icing after icing and sloppy/lazy penalties. Insane how slow they look, did they blow their load on the last 10-15 games or has age fully caught up?
they almost survived until there was an extra attacker and then like always they gave up a goal. canes have their number. and everyone has their number with an extra man.
this group has been buried like 100x before so i know the typical reflex from the "they need a rebuild!" crew is always that the sky is falling but through the first 100 minutes of this series they were playing level on road with the leading odds team in the east without sorokin even playing. roy has them blocking a ton of shots and playing much closer to the way trotz had them playing.
i assume sorokin goes back in now even though obviously neither loss is on varly. would be nice to see barzal and horvat take over a series the way aho always seems to.
for whatever reason canes are just a brutal matchup for NYI and somehow their only weakness is always a strength no matter who they put in goal.
I have no desire to watch Game 3. This team is hard to cheer for.
I'm not waving the white towel yet, but how do you come back from that?
I recall how they'd fallen behind 2-0 to Toronto in 2002 and won the next two at Nassau to lock it up 2-2 and the series eventually went to Game 7, but last night was such a gut punch I don't really know what to expect for Game 3. Maybe the extra day off between games gives them a chance to recover, but maybe it ends up being a short series, I don't know.
What a wild ride 1980-83 was!!!
Man it's been painful ever since.
The Islanders had 1 shot on net the entire 3rd period. They were outshot 17-1 in the 3rd. that might be a playoff record. They were even outshot 12-4 in the second. Once they went up three goals it's like their heads were in the locker room passing out post game awards.
that's not because of some spell CAR cast on them or suddenly became the Globetrotters playing against the Generals, it's because of a lack of effort on the Islanders part.
If NYI want to take something away to build off (and I'm not calling it a moral victory or anything like that), it's they dominated play for the better part of both games on the road and now they head home in a must win. Real gut check game Thursday. In my head I see Patrick Roy channeling Dennis Green melting down at the podium saying "...they are who we though they were and we let 'em off the hook"
The Islanders had 1 shot on net the entire 3rd period. They were outshot 17-1 in the 3rd. that might be a playoff record. They were even outshot 12-4 in the second. Once they went up three goals it's like their heads were in the locker room passing out post game awards.
that's not because of some spell CAR cast on them or suddenly became the Globetrotters playing against the Generals, it's because of a lack of effort on the Islanders part.
If NYI want to take something away to build off (and I'm not calling it a moral victory or anything like that), it's they dominated play for the better part of both games on the road and now they head home in a must win. Real gut check game Thursday. In my head I see Patrick Roy channeling Dennis Green melting down at the podium saying "...they are who we though they were and we let 'em off the hook"
Ok … whatever you say … the Islanders are the better team and they blew it. Lol
But the Cane's take the game to the Islanders in every way: toughness, passing, setting up screens in front of the goalie, and good defense.
Our defense is constantly passing blindly out of the zone and having pucks intercepted and dumped back in deep. Then the same defenseman absorbs another hit and turns the puck over.
It has been that way with this group of D for years!
I don't see it with this group sadly and I actually attended the first Islander home game in 1972 at the Coliseum....pretty much watching every game since.
The core of this team has been together a very long time. Almost all of them are playing on long term deals with some level of trade protection. There are 10 guys on this roster that can be very comfortable that they will be here long after Roy is gone.
This is a team of guys who love Long Island and love playing together, and none of them have any concerns about job security. The would like to win. But if they don't, there is always next year and the year after that.
The Islanders had 1 shot on net the entire 3rd period. They were outshot 17-1 in the 3rd. that might be a playoff record. They were even outshot 12-4 in the second. Once they went up three goals it's like their heads were in the locker room passing out post game awards.
that's not because of some spell CAR cast on them or suddenly became the Globetrotters playing against the Generals, it's because of a lack of effort on the Islanders part.
If NYI want to take something away to build off (and I'm not calling it a moral victory or anything like that), it's they dominated play for the better part of both games on the road and now they head home in a must win. Real gut check game Thursday. In my head I see Patrick Roy channeling Dennis Green melting down at the podium saying "...they are who we though they were and we let 'em off the hook"
Except they were beaten wire to wire. The fact they somehow wound up three goals was a miracle. Last night was brutal. This morning is brutal. Sucks waking up miserable but the reality is the Isles would have been very lucky to win that game. To me the Isles should have and easily could have won game one but last night they were dominated. I fucking hate Carolina now the way I hated Tampa a few years back. They are just the better team. Hate to say it but the Isles may need a total rebuild. They are severely flawed.
Anders Lee (33) is here for two more seasons @ $7M/year and playing on the third line. He is the captain and emotional leader of a team whose hallmark is long stretches of apathy.
Two more years of JGP (31) @ $5M per year for a guy who kills penalties and wins regular season face-offs. He was getting smoked on the dot last night (6 for 14).
We have Engvall and Mayfield for the next 6 years at a combined $5.5M. Those deals had aged badly before the ink was dry.
Positives? We have Horvat, Brazal and Sorokin signed long term. Pelech and Pulock are also hear long term on deals that are not necessarily bad (approx $6M per for both), but both have NTC and have struggled with injuries.
This team will largely run it back again next year because there simply is no other option for 2024-25.
There were multiple bad icings, multiple tomes they were pinned so long that the guys couldn't even skate out to the point and pressure the puck they were gassed.
All of that and they still should have pulled that out.
They keep Carolina to the outside, which is good, except when you lose your mark at the far side of the net for easy tap ins.
I imagine Bortuzzo is out next game. Martin or Holmstrom will sit for Fasching but there's not much else they can do.
Roy just seeing who he wants to keep for his real year 1
Islanders 28
Isles had more icings than SOG
Isles had more game misconducts in the third than SOG
Yea, the Canes didn't do anything to deserve the win......
Islanders 28
Isles had more icings than SOG
Isles had more game misconducts in the third than SOG
Yea, the Canes didn't do anything to deserve the win......
This is an Islander thread. If a Cane fan and Habs fan want to argue about the Canes, take it elsewhere.
that's an epic meltdown.
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Canes 110
Islanders 28
Isles had more icings than SOG
Isles had more game misconducts in the third than SOG
Yea, the Canes didn't do anything to deserve the win......
This is an Islander thread. If a Cane fan and Habs fan want to argue about the Canes, take it elsewhere.
LMAO whatever man
Nice saves on 12 SOG, that's a weak ass 0.075 SV%.
If the freaking Islanders had given a shit in the third period and managed, I don't know, 10 SOG, maybe they win 4-1 or 4-2 and there is no chaotic ending.
I agree with the post above on Lee. He was a great player and captain at one point in time, if they can't move him or buy him out then he needs to relinquish the "C" and Horvat should be the new leader.
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In comment 16481215 Jints in Carolina said:
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Canes 110
Islanders 28
Isles had more icings than SOG
Isles had more game misconducts in the third than SOG
Yea, the Canes didn't do anything to deserve the win......
This is an Islander thread. If a Cane fan and Habs fan want to argue about the Canes, take it elsewhere.
LMAO whatever man
Maybe today isn't the day to come on an Islander thread and argue about how good your team was with someone who is not an Islander fan?
The Canes are the better team, no question. Today is not the time and this thread is not the place for that dunking. That shouldn't need to be said.
I'm not even sure what's the point (fanwise) of watching a game like that when the team is in their zone the entire game and has few chances for the last 2 periods. Roy has talked about not going into a shell when ahead, so I don't even think it was intentional. The Canes just went into their "A" game once they fell down 3-0 and Isles weren't able to come anywhere near matching that.
I'll keep an eye on Game 3 during the draft on Thursday, but I think I'm too disgusted by what I saw to really get all into it. Maybe that'll change in a few days. Hopefully the fans actually going to the game are better fans than me and can make a nice home ice atmosphere.
I'm not even sure what's the point (fanwise) of watching a game like that when the team is in their zone the entire game and has few chances for the last 2 periods. Roy has talked about not going into a shell when ahead, so I don't even think it was intentional. The Canes just went into their "A" game once they fell down 3-0 and Isles weren't able to come anywhere near matching that.
I'll keep an eye on Game 3 during the draft on Thursday, but I think I'm too disgusted by what I saw to really get all into it. Maybe that'll change in a few days. Hopefully the fans actually going to the game are better fans than me and can make a nice home ice atmosphere.
I am doing the same thing for Game 3. I feel like I need a break from the emotional roller coaster this season has been. Even through the leanest years I never stopped loving this team. The 2023-2024 version of this team is different. They are difficult to root for.
They more than doubled offensive zone play over Isles.
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Canes 110
Islanders 28
Isles had more icings than SOG
Isles had more game misconducts in the third than SOG
Yea, the Canes didn't do anything to deserve the win......
This is an Islander thread. If a Cane fan and Habs fan want to argue about the Canes, take it elsewhere.
Sorry, you're right. I'm out. Good luck in the series.
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In comment 16481215 Jints in Carolina said:
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Canes 110
Islanders 28
Isles had more icings than SOG
Isles had more game misconducts in the third than SOG
Yea, the Canes didn't do anything to deserve the win......
This is an Islander thread. If a Cane fan and Habs fan want to argue about the Canes, take it elsewhere.
Sorry, you're right. I'm out. Good luck in the series.
No worries. Just a little (lot) testy this morning.
Appreciate both you and Jints as good guys and knowledgeable hockey guys.
this group has been buried like 100x before so i know the typical reflex from the "they need a rebuild!" crew is always that the sky is falling but through the first 100 minutes of this series they were playing level on road with the leading odds team in the east without sorokin even playing. roy has them blocking a ton of shots and playing much closer to the way trotz had them playing.
i assume sorokin goes back in now even though obviously neither loss is on varly. would be nice to see barzal and horvat take over a series the way aho always seems to.
for whatever reason canes are just a brutal matchup for NYI and somehow their only weakness is always a strength no matter who they put in goal.