After giving Jones that contract. Just listened to her segment on The Athletic Football Show. Mays just excoriated that thought process…saying-& I’m paraphrasing-‘this is how bad teams stay bad.’
She also thinks it’s very possible we move back because of all the holes on the roster.
‘He (Schoen) had to figure out a way to win with Daniel Jones.’-Russini. She feels that Joe & Dabs need to win now to keep their jobs so could be acting in self preservation instead of long term building.
"If the Giants go in this direction, they had better be prepared for the maelstrom that follows."
"There is nothing more distracting to a team than having two quarterbacks for one job. Wait until Jones looks rusty in a training camp practice or he misses an open receiver in the season opener, or — heaven forbid — throws the ball up for grabs for an interception. From the moment the Giants are off the clock after taking a quarterback at No. 6, Jones’ ownership of the starting job is on the clock. It is almost always an irrevocable decree: Your time is nearing an end." Link - ( New Window )
What a bizarre take. "Wait until Jones looks rusty in a training camp practice or he misses an open receiver in the season opener, or — heaven forbid — throws the ball up for grabs for an interception."
Uhhhh wait until he consistently does all of those things, as he will, and you have no viable long term competition on the field with him. Surely that won't cause any drama, media attention or fan anger, either.
"If the Giants go in this direction, they had better be prepared for the maelstrom that follows."
"There is nothing more distracting to a team than having two quarterbacks for one job. Wait until Jones looks rusty in a training camp practice or he misses an open receiver in the season opener, or — heaven forbid — throws the ball up for grabs for an interception. From the moment the Giants are off the clock after taking a quarterback at No. 6, Jones’ ownership of the starting job is on the clock. It is almost always an irrevocable decree: Your time is nearing an end." Link - ( New Window )
Reading something like this make me wonder if I'm living in an alternate universe where Daniel Jones is Joe Montana and worthy of feeling like his job is secure.
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from Paul Schwatz -- Giants would be inviting chaos if they use a high draft pick on a QB
"If the Giants go in this direction, they had better be prepared for the maelstrom that follows."
"There is nothing more distracting to a team than having two quarterbacks for one job. Wait until Jones looks rusty in a training camp practice or he misses an open receiver in the season opener, or — heaven forbid — throws the ball up for grabs for an interception. From the moment the Giants are off the clock after taking a quarterback at No. 6, Jones’ ownership of the starting job is on the clock. It is almost always an irrevocable decree: Your time is nearing an end." Link - ( New Window )
Reading something like this make me wonder if I'm living in an alternate universe where Daniel Jones is Joe Montana and worthy of feeling like his job is secure.
If you read that whole Schwartz article, it's as if he's advocating never draft a QB with a #1 draft pick, very bizarre.
"If the Giants go in this direction, they had better be prepared for the maelstrom that follows."
"There is nothing more distracting to a team than having two quarterbacks for one job. Wait until Jones looks rusty in a training camp practice or he misses an open receiver in the season opener, or — heaven forbid — throws the ball up for grabs for an interception. From the moment the Giants are off the clock after taking a quarterback at No. 6, Jones’ ownership of the starting job is on the clock. It is almost always an irrevocable decree: Your time is nearing an end." Link - ( New Window )
Someone tell Paul that's what we want
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from Paul Schwatz -- Giants would be inviting chaos if they use a high draft pick on a QB
"If the Giants go in this direction, they had better be prepared for the maelstrom that follows."
"There is nothing more distracting to a team than having two quarterbacks for one job. Wait until Jones looks rusty in a training camp practice or he misses an open receiver in the season opener, or — heaven forbid — throws the ball up for grabs for an interception. From the moment the Giants are off the clock after taking a quarterback at No. 6, Jones’ ownership of the starting job is on the clock. It is almost always an irrevocable decree: Your time is nearing an end." Link - ( New Window )
Reading something like this make me wonder if I'm living in an alternate universe where Daniel Jones is Joe Montana and worthy of feeling like his job is secure.
Sounds like Jones' agent wrote it.
"If the Giants go in this direction, they had better be prepared for the maelstrom that follows."
"There is nothing more distracting to a team than having two quarterbacks for one job. Wait until Jones looks rusty in a training camp practice or he misses an open receiver in the season opener, or — heaven forbid — throws the ball up for grabs for an interception. From the moment the Giants are off the clock after taking a quarterback at No. 6, Jones’ ownership of the starting job is on the clock. It is almost always an irrevocable decree: Your time is nearing an end." Link - ( New Window )
Jones’ ownership of the starting job was on the clock the moment he got injured last season. If not the first time, definitely the second.
If you read that whole Schwartz article, it's as if he's advocating never draft a QB with a #1 draft pick, very bizarre.
He sounds like a large chunk of BBI.
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who is Dianna Russini?
Yes, very, very, very easy on the eyes.
If you read that whole Schwartz article, it's as if he's advocating never draft a QB with a #1 draft pick, very bizarre.
His thesis doesn't even make sense. Drafting a QB #6 (or trading up for one) ends the drama completely for everyone except Daniel Jones a legion of true believers.
If it's written by Jones' camp, it could be a proactive move against sitting him due to the injury clause.
If NYG doesn't draft a QB, I fully expect Jones to play in 2024.
I guarantee you if he were making even 30 million a year there would be a lot less pressure on everyone in the building, including him. He invited it and didn't live up to it.
Can't remember who said, maybe Terps? But the Giants run their business like the Olive Garden. "When you're here, you're family."
Lmao. Love it.
Nah, let be hysterical and overreact to conjecture
Maybe you’re right. 0r maybe, we’re not on the team and don’t understand what it’s like to go through rehab several times and show dedication to your team and your teammates. we don’t understand that rewarding that type of behavior instead of keeping some other 6th wide receiver is beneficial to team culture and team Building.
If it's written by Jones' camp, it could be a proactive move against sitting him due to the injury clause.
If NYG doesn't draft a QB, I fully expect Jones to play in 2024.
Might be wishful thinking, but I think this is coming more from Jones' agent. Last week Ralph V had an article with a similar slant. I know Ralph is often viewed/used as Mara's mouthpiece, but Ralph's article more or less calls Mara's statement about having a rookie and Jones compete to be naive. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think a Mara driven article would include that kind of shot at Mara.
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The attempt to get Shepard a TD the entire second half was an embarrassment and fiasco
I wonder how Saquon felt as he fell 1 TD shy of his bonus that he needed to negotiate for because he was tagged?
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It was Terps. And he ain’t wrong. Way too much sentimentality for players who don’t deserve it. I know people still think I’m a dick for criticizing that Shepard send off in the season finale, but there’s a guy who shouldn’t have even made the ‘23 roster.
Maybe you’re right. 0r maybe, we’re not on the team and don’t understand what it’s like to go through rehab several times and show dedication to your team and your teammates. we don’t understand that rewarding that type of behavior instead of keeping some other 6th wide receiver is beneficial to team culture and team Building.
Yeah the results of the season showed the fruit of all that culture and team building
No he wouldn't. Zach Wilson is significantly worse than Daniel Jones.
DJ had more passing TDs in his rookie year than Zach Wilson has combined in his 3 years in the NFL.
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who is Dianna Russini?
Yes, very, very, very easy on the eyes.
Dam-a-lam... she is a smokeshow
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You see right there?
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That is when you know the owner is heavily involved in personnel decisions. When do you know? When reporters are literally saying, “the owner is heavily involved in personnel decision-making.” And how would reporters know this? Because owners can’t lie in the shadows quietly pulling strings, that’s why. Ego.
For intellectual consistency, I do hope this same poster will admit know that there is proof that Mara is involved in determining draft strategy.
Uhhh where’s the proof????
Hint, this ain’t proof.
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You see right there?
djm : 4/22/2024 3:09 pm : link : reply
That is when you know the owner is heavily involved in personnel decisions. When do you know? When reporters are literally saying, “the owner is heavily involved in personnel decision-making.” And how would reporters know this? Because owners can’t lie in the shadows quietly pulling strings, that’s why. Ego.
For intellectual consistency, I do hope this same poster will admit know that there is proof that Mara is involved in determining draft strategy.
Uhhh where’s the proof????
Hint, this ain’t proof.
You seriously don't see the point here?
Russini posts that Kraft is meddling, and you point to the fact that it is being reported as proof it is happening. Russini then posts a day later that Mara is meddling, and to you it is proof of nothing?
It is either proof in neither case, or proof in both cases. It can't be both as you are trying to suggest. It just can't.
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You see right there?
djm : 4/22/2024 3:09 pm : link : reply
That is when you know the owner is heavily involved in personnel decisions. When do you know? When reporters are literally saying, “the owner is heavily involved in personnel decision-making.” And how would reporters know this? Because owners can’t lie in the shadows quietly pulling strings, that’s why. Ego.
For intellectual consistency, I do hope this same poster will admit know that there is proof that Mara is involved in determining draft strategy.
Uhhh where’s the proof????
Hint, this ain’t proof.
You seriously don't see the point here?
Russini posts that Kraft is meddling, and you point to the fact that it is being reported as proof it is happening. Russini then posts a day later that Mara is meddling, and to you it is proof of nothing?
It is either proof in neither case, or proof in both cases. It can't be both as you are trying to suggest. It just can't.
Fair enough, I was more focused on NYG's perspective and should have clarified that the earlier talk about Kraft meddling could be BS as well. Although to be fair, the talk we read about Kraft written more as a factual statement along the lines of "Ownership is calling the shots with regards to the QB pick" compared to NYG's talk of "Sources tell me NYG owners like DJ still"
Kind of apples and oranges but fine, there is no proof Kraft is definitely meddling even if the language used seemed more conclusive or concrete.
In short, my point still stands that any talk about Mara meddling in personnel decisions is more innuendo and rumor. Every single take is prefaced with "sources indicate"--which means BULLSHIT.
Every concrete take from a NYG writer over the years has confirmed my beliefs that owners will interfere from time to time especially in regards to character issues, and maybe there's some meddling with the QM pick, at times, but not to the extent that some wacko horse crap takes come off with the doozy take of "sources tell me NYG owners won't budge off Jones"---sorry, that's bologna.
Following the mutual departure of Bill Belichick, Kraft hired head coach Jerod Mayo and instead of hiring a new general manager, the owner appointed Wolf as the Patriots main shot-caller. According to a recent report, however, Kraft’s, and president of the Kraft Group, Jonathan Kraft has been involved in the decision-making when it comes to the Patriots top draft selection.
I don't see one take refuting this. It could be nonsense, no doubt, but not one take refuting a pretty black and white take
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For every rumor or whisper about Mara meddling, we see NYG writers refute it.
Honestly, I don't even give a shit what the Pats are doing. I just know BS when I see it. Until a rumor or leak is corroborated by vetted sources, it's bullshit until proven otherwise. Didn't mean to come off as one sided. But to be fair, not one source has refuted the Pats take. That doesn't prove anything either but it doesn't mirror NYG's situation at all.
One of the most intriguing… and disturbing quotes came from former front office staffer Mike Lombardi, a close confidant of Bill Belichick. Lombardi said on his podcast GM Shuffle, “As a fan, Robert’s hoping they draft a QB. He knows what they’re doing. Like Shaughnessy said, EVERYONE knows Jonathan Kraft is the defacto General Manager.”
Let’s hope that Lombardi is mistaken on this particular issue. Owner interference is a quick way to football oblivion. Despite Robert Kraft’s insistence that the Patriots’ ownership is staying out of football operations, he has stated that he wants a QB taken with the #3 pick in the draft.
Is this “the collaboration” that everyone has been talking about?
Not one take about Mara, from a reputable outlet goes this deep or far. Even the athletic hints at it but doesn't come out and say it.
Pats owners literally quoted as saying he wants a QB. Mara quoted as saying he will let Schoen make the calls.
So yea, I am done.
Or maybe Mara's biggest flaw is hiring bad GMs and HCs and it stops there.
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When they make desperate moves. We see it all the time with teams trading the farm to draft a QB. The Giants aren’t desperate for a QB, and they shouldn’t be
No, bad teams stay bad when they refuse to acknowledge mistakes. Those teams are helped by fans who prefer to stick their heads in the sand and say, “year 6 will be different, I know it will!”
Yep--fans definitely contribute to good and bad team play.
I am so proud of myself for helping the Giants draft Eli Manning back in 04. Send me flowers.
Sorry for Daniel Jones. But I also helped NYG stick with Phil Simms so hey, 2 out of 3 aint bad.
Holy shit.
I read every thread.
That doesn't mean I don't love or heed some of the asshat stuff we get here, I do.
Also, there are 10 takes saying Mara meddles and 10 more saying he doesn't.
*Morgan Freeman voice*
He was, in fact, not done
We have ourselves a Columbo, ladies and gentlemen.
That was for Christian. Enjoy. Now I am out for real. Have a good day.
We have ourselves a Columbo, ladies and gentlemen.
haha ty. Been called worse.
Just draft a QB that can play at a high level and we will all sleep well at night.
We have ourselves a Columbo, ladies and gentlemen.
haha ty. Been called worse.
Just draft a QB that can play at a high level and we will all sleep well at night.
Worse? Columbo is a badass. Chicks dig the trench coat.
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A nickname is born.
We have ourselves a Columbo, ladies and gentlemen.
haha ty. Been called worse.
Just draft a QB that can play at a high level and we will all sleep well at night.
Worse? Columbo is a badass. Chicks dig the trench coat.
I was supposed to leave, -yes I love Columbo. Grew up watching it from time to time. I have been called MUCH worse is the better way to put it. Now that I think of it, probably the nicest thing ever said to me here. You can't take it back...too late!
Just draft a great QB tomorrow night. I will pay money for this to happen. I want us all to be happy.
Yea don't get me wrong I am not treating PS's word as Gospel. I just don't think Mara is that kind of owner as much as he just failed miserably at hirings/firings GMs/HCs since 15. That is unquestionable on him.