Not that this is breaking news considering all we've heard/seen lately, but just another report of looking to trade up for Maye...
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🚨🚨🚨 The latest Breaking Big Blue:
The #Giants are at least looking to trade up. The belief is it’s for UNC QB Drake Maye. 👀
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giants, pats, and cards makes a lot of sense for all 3 parties.
Pats want JJM
Giants want Maye
Cardinals want an elite WR and compensated to moved dowm.
This also boxes out a team like Minnesota from trading up.\
Now this all is predicated on Pats liking JJM over Maye (which is possible) and the Cardinals turning down a lucrative offer from the Vikings because they know they can't fall back too far knowing Giants and Pats will pick QB's and they will get either MHjr or Nabers.
Wolf pulling a Ossenfort last year and trading down to 6 and then moving up to 4 to land JJ, might be possible. Of course they can just stay at 3 and draft JJ, but I’m sure they would want another 1st for next year if they would trade down.
I don't think at this point its a surprise on who the teams want or at least what they are trying to do...if the Giants are having convos with Pats they obviously are talking about iterations about who they will pick.
If Giants know pats like JJM more and pats know Giants like Drake Maye more they obviously can execute a trade.
Also if the Giants and Pats know the Cardinals want to secure one of the top WR's...that means they really can't trade much past #6...
so basically by divulging all this info to each other pats and cards get the players they want and get extra draft capital to do it. Giants get there QB...and they box out the Vikings from trading up.
That the Giants have been trying to move up for Maye has been known for weeks.
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In comment 16481495 mphbullet36 said:
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giants, pats, and cards makes a lot of sense for all 3 parties.
Pats want JJM
Giants want Maye
Cardinals want an elite WR and compensated to moved dowm.
This also boxes out a team like Minnesota from trading up.\
Now this all is predicated on Pats liking JJM over Maye (which is possible) and the Cardinals turning down a lucrative offer from the Vikings because they know they can't fall back too far knowing Giants and Pats will pick QB's and they will get either MHjr or Nabers.
Wolf pulling a Ossenfort last year and trading down to 6 and then moving up to 4 to land JJ, might be possible. Of course they can just stay at 3 and draft JJ, but I’m sure they would want another 1st for next year if they would trade down.
I don't think it would be NE moving down. I think it would be either a true 3 team trade at once or we would move up to 4 then to 3.
Yeah I think all 3 teams (after the first two picks go - pretty much locked to be Williams and Daniels).
Once that happens the wheels can start turning. I don't think Pats agree to a trade down without basically guaranteeing they get JJM. The only way that woudl happen is if they knew they could only move down to #4 with Cardinals out of fear Vikings or DEN could trade up with Cardinals...
So all 3 teams would have to agree on the deal and the Giants basically have to tell pats they won't pick JJM.
Having a hard time believing Evan Neal and Azzez Ojulari represent much of an enticement.
Can they get it done? That's not a given.
It's weird that GoDeep got fed false info, if so.
I don’t want to give up next year’s first, but if it has to be done it should be done. Also if it were for McCarthy, I would not support a trade up. I firmly believe his ceiling isn’t anywhere near as highs.
Going from 6 to 3 isn't "quite" the same as going from 4 to 1, but it does require hopping over 3 slots and it does involve a QB at 3, so essentially it's pretty damn close to what NYG did for Eli. And we you all know we paid the future first.
NO way in hell should we give up 24 second rounder AND a future first, that's over the line in my view. One or the other, and mid round picks and let's go to work. If NE was smart they'd probably take the 2025 first.
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Sounds like he is reading BBI.
Exactly
I assume this is to the people who think all signs point to Maye?
I think the cost could be cheaper if you make the move as a 3 team trade or first go up to pick 4 then to pick 3.
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I assume this is to the people who think all signs point to Maye?
My guess is he's just laughing at Raanan reporting obvious stuff and potentially using BBI as his source lol
i think the trade up stuff is also genuine because in order to trade up you have to contact people outside your circle of trust who will leak things for there interest or because they simply do not care to keep your intentions secret for whatever reasons they have.
Then NE won't move and just take McCarthy. Or they will trade down with the Vikings and take Penix.
Where did Phil Simms play? Shit, where did Patrick Mahomes play? Stop the helmet scouting nonsense.
Pats want JJM
Giants want Maye
Cardinals want an elite WR and compensated to moved dowm.
This also boxes out a team like Minnesota from trading up.\
Now this all is predicated on Pats liking JJM over Maye (which is possible) and the Cardinals turning down a lucrative offer from the Vikings because they know they can't fall back too far knowing Giants and Pats will pick QB's and they will get either MHjr or Nabers.
These three clubs have aligned interests. giants will have to pay the most though.
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point to Maye being the QB the Giants covet (given that Williams and Daniels will be off the board).
Can they get it done? That's not a given.
It's weird that GoDeep got fed false info, if so.
What did GoDeep actually say? Because if you read all of his comments on that thread, it really isn't clear at all.
Daniels. Prettyrickey213 confirmed it!!
You may see one player go but the Pats don't want average players making money, guys like Slayton won't do shit for them. They want cheap and / or draft picks. Neal, I guess maybe but he isn't moving the needle.
Next year's first and mid rounder along with this year's 3rd rounder and 6 overall. Same as 04 for Eli. Swap out a mid rounder for a guy like NEal or Ojulari, maybe...
I hope reality will not come and smack me in the head Thursday evening.
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and they want McCarthy. You know.. a winner.
I'd certainly be fine with Maye, but of the two I would prefer McCarthy...
I have no strong opinion on Maye, but Mahomes wasn't all that much of a winner at Texas Tech.
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the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.
I think the cost could be cheaper if you make the move as a 3 team trade or first go up to pick 4 then to pick 3.
Maybe, but the extra moving parts from adding a second team would concern me. I'd also like to limit the total number of picks given up. Our #1 next year might well be a top 10 pick.
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the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.
I think the cost could be cheaper if you make the move as a 3 team trade or first go up to pick 4 then to pick 3.
Maybe, but the extra moving parts from adding a second team would concern me. I'd also like to limit the total number of picks given up. Our #1 next year might well be a top 10 pick.
Patriots are in the drivers seat, if they ask for a 2025 1st as requirement to trade and teams like the Vikings are fine with it, you either match it not.
I'm not pretending to be any type of expert, but the winning percentage isn't the reason, I like what JJ has done under pressure, outside the pocket, on 3rd down, etc. I'd still be happy with either one, but just have a preference for JJM.
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In comment 16481563 AcidTest said:
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the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.
I think the cost could be cheaper if you make the move as a 3 team trade or first go up to pick 4 then to pick 3.
Maybe, but the extra moving parts from adding a second team would concern me. I'd also like to limit the total number of picks given up. Our #1 next year might well be a top 10 pick.
Patriots are in the drivers seat, if they ask for a 2025 1st as requirement to trade and teams like the Vikings are fine with it, you either match it not.
Pats want JJM or someone near the top. Dropping to 11 isn't going to work for them.
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Sounds like he is reading BBI.
Wouldn’t be a he first time😁
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In comment 16481586 BleedBlue46 said:
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In comment 16481563 AcidTest said:
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the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.
I think the cost could be cheaper if you make the move as a 3 team trade or first go up to pick 4 then to pick 3.
Maybe, but the extra moving parts from adding a second team would concern me. I'd also like to limit the total number of picks given up. Our #1 next year might well be a top 10 pick.
Patriots are in the drivers seat, if they ask for a 2025 1st as requirement to trade and teams like the Vikings are fine with it, you either match it not.
Pats want JJM or someone near the top. Dropping to 11 isn't going to work for them.
Unless they have a deal with say the Chargers to move back up.
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point to Maye being the QB the Giants covet (given that Williams and Daniels will be off the board).
Can they get it done? That's not a given.
It's weird that GoDeep got fed false info, if so.
What did GoDeep actually say? Because if you read all of his comments on that thread, it really isn't clear at all.
That the Giants prefer McCarthy to Maye and wouldn't pick Maye even if he fell to #6.
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In comment 16475745 Eric from BBI said:
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Are you saying that if Maye is there at #6, they would pass on him?
Yes. They would use him for trade bait
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I think this pre draft stuff is going to make me coo coo for cocoa puffs.
Right, but he also said he told his source not to tell him lies.
GoDeep (and his source) is usually pretty reliable, just saying it's weird that he got fed false info.
Pats also NEED a QB so why would either trade back?
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the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.
Then NE won't move and just take McCarthy. Or they will trade down with the Vikings and take Penix.
Fine with me. Then we can deal with AZ as a fall back option, which would be a lot cheaper anyway.
There was a lot going on and many other things to process, so I didn't circle back to it unfortunately. As I think about it now though, I believe he was mentioning it as part of what Minny was angling to do as Chargers with new GM/Coach may be more amenable to the trade down than Cards to build their team.
He didn't give parameters but Minny angle could have been something like 11/23 to Chargers for 5 and then 2025 1st to Pats for 3. He did say they were extremely aggressive in their offers.
I would guess the reason NYG offer trumps theirs is they would also give Pats our 2025 1st which has a chance to be better and they would get the 4 pick instead of the 5 pick eliminating even a remote chance of Cards doing something crazy.
There was a lot going on and many other things to process, so I didn't circle back to it unfortunately. As I think about it now though, I believe he was mentioning it as part of what Minny was angling to do as Chargers with new GM/Coach may be more amenable to the trade down than Cards to build their team.
He didn't give parameters but Minny angle could have been something like 11/23 to Chargers for 5 and then 2025 1st to Pats for 3. He did say they were extremely aggressive in their offers.
I would guess the reason NYG offer trumps theirs is they would also give Pats our 2025 1st which has a chance to be better and they would get the 4 pick instead of the 5 pick eliminating even a remote chance of Cards doing something crazy.
Did you hear anything about what the comphensation would be to AZ and NE besides maybe a player? Which draft picks?
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where the guy I met mentioned Chargers but I was in and out due to the misses pulling me aside grrrrrr.
There was a lot going on and many other things to process, so I didn't circle back to it unfortunately. As I think about it now though, I believe he was mentioning it as part of what Minny was angling to do as Chargers with new GM/Coach may be more amenable to the trade down than Cards to build their team.
He didn't give parameters but Minny angle could have been something like 11/23 to Chargers for 5 and then 2025 1st to Pats for 3. He did say they were extremely aggressive in their offers.
I would guess the reason NYG offer trumps theirs is they would also give Pats our 2025 1st which has a chance to be better and they would get the 4 pick instead of the 5 pick eliminating even a remote chance of Cards doing something crazy.
Did you hear anything about what the comphensation would be to AZ and NE besides maybe a player? Which draft picks?
No compensation discussed except that a player may be involved.
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Sounds like he is reading BBI.
Had a good morning to catch up and then put the tweet out