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He thinks...
- Top 6 QBs go in in top half of draft (including Nix and Pennix)
- JJ will be 4th QB taken
- QB in play for Denver
- Daniels to Commanders
- Maye goes 3rd - two teams could trade up - Vikings and Giants
- Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ
He thinks Pats may/should go Maye
- Not sure if Cards are shopping #4
- Chargers is interesting - Obvious connection is 11, with Vikings. Rather have JJ go to good situation in Minny.
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Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.
Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.
I was just transcribing, not making anything up;)
It all depends if Pats want JJ.
Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.
Despite the two picks its feeling increasingly likely that Minny won't be able to trade into the top 5. Interestingly enough I think we might be their best option, which is why I'd love to know what we really think of JJM.
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"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"
Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.
Despite the two picks its feeling increasingly likely that Minny won't be able to trade into the top 5. Interestingly enough I think we might be their best option, which is why I'd love to know what we really think of JJM.
I've been saying this since the day the Vikings acquired #23. The team needs of the teams picking in the top 5 and the blue chip prospects in the Draft align perfectly. Why would they move away from that?
Ie Pats can trade the 3 to Vikings for Maye and drop to 11 with the info that the Giants are not interested in McCarthy and therefore take the team with best ammo to trade for McCarthy (Vikes) out of the equation. They would then be competing with Broncos/Raiders for McCarthy and armed with the draft capital from Vikings.
If the Giants are talking trade with Pats it has to be discussed with the Pats for nameless QB and they can take whatever QB they desire (Maye or McCarthy, etc) or sharing that info can cost the Giants the very player they want to trade up for.
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In comment 16481642 Eric from BBI said:
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"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"
Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.
Despite the two picks its feeling increasingly likely that Minny won't be able to trade into the top 5. Interestingly enough I think we might be their best option, which is why I'd love to know what we really think of JJM.
I've been saying this since the day the Vikings acquired #23. The team needs of the teams picking in the top 5 and the blue chip prospects in the Draft align perfectly. Why would they move away from that?
Agreed. Any trades will likely only be with teams picking no lower than #6. Minnesota isn't completely out, but their chances of moving into the top five seem low. There were rumors though that they are OK picking at #11 and #23, and would use Penix as a backup plan if they can't move into the top five for Maye or maybe JJM.
Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.
When was the last time there was a 3-way trade in the NFL? A couple of weeks ago someone was able to name one 3-way trade from the 1980s.
Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.
If the Pats want QB they are taking a huge risk moving back to 11. You run the risk of the Giants taking JJ at 6 (which could be why there is smoke out there about the Giants wanting JJ, convince New England you like him enough as a back up option to Maye that you’d take him) but then could also be at risk of missing Penix and Nix. If Vegas and Denver are intent on taking a QB there’s a good chance they try to jump ahead of NE at 11 for their guy.
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"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"
Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.
When was the last time there was a 3-way trade in the NFL? A couple of weeks ago someone was able to name one 3-way trade from the 1980s.
Why does this matter?
Ie Pats can trade the 3 to Vikings for Maye and drop to 11 with the info that the Giants are not interested in McCarthy and therefore take the team with best ammo to trade for McCarthy (Vikes) out of the equation. They would then be competing with Broncos/Raiders for McCarthy and armed with the draft capital from Vikings.
If the Giants are talking trade with Pats it has to be discussed with the Pats for nameless QB and they can take whatever QB they desire (Maye or McCarthy, etc) or sharing that info can cost the Giants the very player they want to trade up for.
Ok, so let me get this straight, if you had the 3rd pick and were interested in JJM you would consider trading with a team behind you without knowing if they wanted JJM too? That makes sense..
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In comment 16481652 j_rud said:
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In comment 16481642 Eric from BBI said:
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"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"
Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.
Despite the two picks its feeling increasingly likely that Minny won't be able to trade into the top 5. Interestingly enough I think we might be their best option, which is why I'd love to know what we really think of JJM.
I've been saying this since the day the Vikings acquired #23. The team needs of the teams picking in the top 5 and the blue chip prospects in the Draft align perfectly. Why would they move away from that?
Agreed. Any trades will likely only be with teams picking no lower than #6. Minnesota isn't completely out, but their chances of moving into the top five seem low. There were rumors though that they are OK picking at #11 and #23, and would use Penix as a backup plan if they can't move into the top five for Maye or maybe JJM.
If Penix stays healthy, I could see him playing like CJ Stroud out the gate for Minnesota. He'd be looking like the best of all for a while I bet.
If you can work out the money, sign me up.
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and trade JH to NYG. Let it be done.
If you can work out the money, sign me up.
Many here like to believe the cap doesn't matter, let's run with that!
They should have drafted JH in 2020 and traded Jones when he still had value
For Justin Herbert? I'd deal both #6 and next year's 1st plus more for him. So long as they can work out the money.
Let Harbaugh have his full rebuild with his college QB. We get a mulligan on the 2019/2020 drafts.
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Largely, it’s malpractice for Giants to share who they are taking (Maye) with Pats because it can and will be used against them
Ie Pats can trade the 3 to Vikings for Maye and drop to 11 with the info that the Giants are not interested in McCarthy and therefore take the team with best ammo to trade for McCarthy (Vikes) out of the equation. They would then be competing with Broncos/Raiders for McCarthy and armed with the draft capital from Vikings.
If the Giants are talking trade with Pats it has to be discussed with the Pats for nameless QB and they can take whatever QB they desire (Maye or McCarthy, etc) or sharing that info can cost the Giants the very player they want to trade up for.
Ok, so let me get this straight, if you had the 3rd pick and were interested in JJM you would consider trading with a team behind you without knowing if they wanted JJM too? That makes sense..
The Pats may ask for that info but a team is crazy to offer it up specifically when drafting the same position
There have been videos showing draft trade conversations from NFL teams during the draft and everyone ive seen they only say the position, not the player
The Giants would be crazy to tell NE that they will draft Maye and promise not to take McCarthy so that NE can maneuver for McCarthy. The Giants should only tell NE that they are trading to 3 for a QB. Its their risk to trade out.
NE gets a haul, Kraft gets his new golden boy and the Giants/Vikings/whomever get second guessed into oblivion until they win it all with Maye.
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and trade JH to NYG. Let it be done.
They should have drafted JH in 2020 and traded Jones when he still had value
Yep, I said the same four years ago. No brainer.
Very unlikely.
It's a good idea, which means it ain't happening.
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In comment 16481642 Eric from BBI said:
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"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"
Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.
Despite the two picks its feeling increasingly likely that Minny won't be able to trade into the top 5. Interestingly enough I think we might be their best option, which is why I'd love to know what we really think of JJM.
I've been saying this since the day the Vikings acquired #23. The team needs of the teams picking in the top 5 and the blue chip prospects in the Draft align perfectly. Why would they move away from that?
I've actually been saying the same Rick, I really wouldn't bet on any trades in the top 5. The needs of the teams picking and the strength of the draft has aligned in a way you don't often see.
Ie Pats can trade the 3 to Vikings for Maye and drop to 11 with the info that the Giants are not interested in McCarthy and therefore take the team with best ammo to trade for McCarthy (Vikes) out of the equation. They would then be competing with Broncos/Raiders for McCarthy and armed with the draft capital from Vikings.
If the Giants are talking trade with Pats it has to be discussed with the Pats for nameless QB and they can take whatever QB they desire (Maye or McCarthy, etc) or sharing that info can cost the Giants the very player they want to trade up for.
I think at this point everyone knows who everyone likes. It ain't rocket science man...
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and trade JH to NYG. Let it be done.
They should have drafted JH in 2020 and traded Jones when he still had value
That's too forward thinking for the Giants...
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he can go 6. Sit tight and get the best thrower in the class.
It's a good idea, which means it ain't happening.
Its your idea, not a good idea.
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In comment 16481682 HardTruth said:
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Largely, it’s malpractice for Giants to share who they are taking (Maye) with Pats because it can and will be used against them
Ie Pats can trade the 3 to Vikings for Maye and drop to 11 with the info that the Giants are not interested in McCarthy and therefore take the team with best ammo to trade for McCarthy (Vikes) out of the equation. They would then be competing with Broncos/Raiders for McCarthy and armed with the draft capital from Vikings.
If the Giants are talking trade with Pats it has to be discussed with the Pats for nameless QB and they can take whatever QB they desire (Maye or McCarthy, etc) or sharing that info can cost the Giants the very player they want to trade up for.
Ok, so let me get this straight, if you had the 3rd pick and were interested in JJM you would consider trading with a team behind you without knowing if they wanted JJM too? That makes sense..
The Pats may ask for that info but a team is crazy to offer it up specifically when drafting the same position
There have been videos showing draft trade conversations from NFL teams during the draft and everyone ive seen they only say the position, not the player
The Giants would be crazy to tell NE that they will draft Maye and promise not to take McCarthy so that NE can maneuver for McCarthy. The Giants should only tell NE that they are trading to 3 for a QB. Its their risk to trade out.
A lot of times they will only give offense or defense. No one wants to say who they're drafting.
There is a reporter who covers the NFL that actually believes a team's GM and, yes, coach, will make a decision that will affect their team based on what is best for a player who won't be on their team? NFL GMs don't even make decisions about their own team based on what is best for a player on their own team.
Agree!
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he can go 6. Sit tight and get the best thrower in the class.
Agree!
Not me.
That's not true. It's pretty clear in the CBA that draft rights can be traded prior to the player signing his rookie deal up until 13 days before the first game of the season. It's extremely rare because it's a massive risk for teams to take without being 100% certain the trade will actually happen.
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Hasn’t been allowed for a while. That’s why you never see those trades anymo
That's not true. It's pretty clear in the CBA that draft rights can be traded prior to the player signing his rookie deal up until 13 days before the first game of the season. It's extremely rare because it's a massive risk for teams to take without being 100% certain the trade will actually happen.
My mistake if you are right. I was pretty sure at some point that was disallowed. There was a thread that touched on it here a few weeks ago.
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he can go 6. Sit tight and get the best thrower in the class.
It's a good idea, which means it ain't happening.
Haha, this almost exactly the thought process when DG drafted DJ
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and trade JH to NYG. Let it be done.
They should have drafted JH in 2020 and traded Jones when he still had value