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ZogZerg : 4/23/2024 12:35 pm
Comments -
He thinks...

- Top 6 QBs go in in top half of draft (including Nix and Pennix)
- JJ will be 4th QB taken
- QB in play for Denver
- Daniels to Commanders
- Maye goes 3rd - two teams could trade up - Vikings and Giants
- Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ
He thinks Pats may/should go Maye
- Not sure if Cards are shopping #4
- Chargers is interesting - Obvious connection is 11, with Vikings. Rather have JJ go to good situation in Minny.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/23/2024 12:38 pm : link
"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"

Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.
RE: ...  
ZogZerg : 4/23/2024 12:39 pm : link
In comment 16481642 Eric from BBI said:
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"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"

Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.


I was just transcribing, not making anything up;)
It all depends if Pats want JJ.
So the pats  
Carl in CT : 4/23/2024 12:43 pm : link
Draft Maye, Cards JJM and the Giants one of the WR’s (MHJR or Nabers) to keep all others away from QBs then there is a deal where picks (probably from Giants go to both??
RE: ...  
j_rud : 4/23/2024 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16481642 Eric from BBI said:
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"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"

Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.


Despite the two picks its feeling increasingly likely that Minny won't be able to trade into the top 5. Interestingly enough I think we might be their best option, which is why I'd love to know what we really think of JJM.
I hope not more  
Carl in CT : 4/23/2024 12:44 pm : link
Than a second round each one this year and one next.
Is that bullet point insinuating  
Giantophile : 4/23/2024 12:51 pm : link
Harbaugh/Chargers would potentially take less than the max compensation they could get to control JJ's destination? That is utter nonsense if so.
RE: RE: ...  
Big Rick in FL : 4/23/2024 12:52 pm : link
In comment 16481652 j_rud said:
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In comment 16481642 Eric from BBI said:


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"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"

Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.



Despite the two picks its feeling increasingly likely that Minny won't be able to trade into the top 5. Interestingly enough I think we might be their best option, which is why I'd love to know what we really think of JJM.


I've been saying this since the day the Vikings acquired #23. The team needs of the teams picking in the top 5 and the blue chip prospects in the Draft align perfectly. Why would they move away from that?
I don’t buy the Pats/Vikes/Giants rumor  
HardTruth : 4/23/2024 12:58 pm : link
Largely, it’s malpractice for Giants to share who they are taking (Maye) with Pats because it can and will be used against them

Ie Pats can trade the 3 to Vikings for Maye and drop to 11 with the info that the Giants are not interested in McCarthy and therefore take the team with best ammo to trade for McCarthy (Vikes) out of the equation. They would then be competing with Broncos/Raiders for McCarthy and armed with the draft capital from Vikings.

If the Giants are talking trade with Pats it has to be discussed with the Pats for nameless QB and they can take whatever QB they desire (Maye or McCarthy, etc) or sharing that info can cost the Giants the very player they want to trade up for.
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AcidTest : 4/23/2024 12:59 pm : link
In comment 16481669 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 16481652 j_rud said:


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In comment 16481642 Eric from BBI said:


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"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"

Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.



Despite the two picks its feeling increasingly likely that Minny won't be able to trade into the top 5. Interestingly enough I think we might be their best option, which is why I'd love to know what we really think of JJM.



I've been saying this since the day the Vikings acquired #23. The team needs of the teams picking in the top 5 and the blue chip prospects in the Draft align perfectly. Why would they move away from that?


Agreed. Any trades will likely only be with teams picking no lower than #6. Minnesota isn't completely out, but their chances of moving into the top five seem low. There were rumors though that they are OK picking at #11 and #23, and would use Penix as a backup plan if they can't move into the top five for Maye or maybe JJM.
RE: ...  
US1 Giants : 4/23/2024 1:02 pm : link
In comment 16481642 Eric from BBI said:
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"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"

Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.


When was the last time there was a 3-way trade in the NFL? A couple of weeks ago someone was able to name one 3-way trade from the 1980s.
RE: ...  
Mike in NJ : 4/23/2024 1:12 pm : link
In comment 16481642 Eric from BBI said:
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"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"

Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.


If the Pats want QB they are taking a huge risk moving back to 11. You run the risk of the Giants taking JJ at 6 (which could be why there is smoke out there about the Giants wanting JJ, convince New England you like him enough as a back up option to Maye that you’d take him) but then could also be at risk of missing Penix and Nix. If Vegas and Denver are intent on taking a QB there’s a good chance they try to jump ahead of NE at 11 for their guy.

RE: RE: ...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/23/2024 1:13 pm : link
In comment 16481693 US1 Giants said:
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In comment 16481642 Eric from BBI said:


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"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"

Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.



When was the last time there was a 3-way trade in the NFL? A couple of weeks ago someone was able to name one 3-way trade from the 1980s.


Why does this matter?
RE: I don’t buy the Pats/Vikes/Giants rumor  
jvm52106 : 4/23/2024 1:19 pm : link
In comment 16481682 HardTruth said:
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Largely, it’s malpractice for Giants to share who they are taking (Maye) with Pats because it can and will be used against them

Ie Pats can trade the 3 to Vikings for Maye and drop to 11 with the info that the Giants are not interested in McCarthy and therefore take the team with best ammo to trade for McCarthy (Vikes) out of the equation. They would then be competing with Broncos/Raiders for McCarthy and armed with the draft capital from Vikings.

If the Giants are talking trade with Pats it has to be discussed with the Pats for nameless QB and they can take whatever QB they desire (Maye or McCarthy, etc) or sharing that info can cost the Giants the very player they want to trade up for.


Ok, so let me get this straight, if you had the 3rd pick and were interested in JJM you would consider trading with a team behind you without knowing if they wanted JJM too? That makes sense..
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BleedBlue46 : 4/23/2024 1:21 pm : link
In comment 16481684 AcidTest said:
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In comment 16481642 Eric from BBI said:


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"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"

Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.



Despite the two picks its feeling increasingly likely that Minny won't be able to trade into the top 5. Interestingly enough I think we might be their best option, which is why I'd love to know what we really think of JJM.



I've been saying this since the day the Vikings acquired #23. The team needs of the teams picking in the top 5 and the blue chip prospects in the Draft align perfectly. Why would they move away from that?



Agreed. Any trades will likely only be with teams picking no lower than #6. Minnesota isn't completely out, but their chances of moving into the top five seem low. There were rumors though that they are OK picking at #11 and #23, and would use Penix as a backup plan if they can't move into the top five for Maye or maybe JJM.


If Penix stays healthy, I could see him playing like CJ Stroud out the gate for Minnesota. He'd be looking like the best of all for a while I bet.
RE: So the pats  
Blue21 : 4/23/2024 1:37 pm : link
In comment 16481649 Carl in CT said:
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Draft Maye, Cards JJM and the Giants one of the WR’s (MHJR or Nabers) to keep all others away from QBs then there is a deal where picks (probably from Giants go to both??
Read StarsandStripes post from last night . Three teams involved Giants, Pats, and Cardinals. Giants end up with Maye. Pats end up with JJM at 4 with extra pick or picks. Cardinals end up at 6 with extra pick or picks. The post sounded very sound. Specifics of what is given up is not mentioned.
Chargers draft JJ  
JonC : 4/23/2024 1:48 pm : link
and trade JH to NYG. Let it be done.
RE: Chargers draft JJ  
Rjanyg : 4/23/2024 1:50 pm : link
In comment 16481819 JonC said:
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and trade JH to NYG. Let it be done.


If you can work out the money, sign me up.
RE: RE: Chargers draft JJ  
JonC : 4/23/2024 1:51 pm : link
In comment 16481822 Rjanyg said:
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and trade JH to NYG. Let it be done.



If you can work out the money, sign me up.


Many here like to believe the cap doesn't matter, let's run with that!
RE: Chargers draft JJ  
jestersdead : 4/23/2024 1:52 pm : link
In comment 16481819 JonC said:
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and trade JH to NYG. Let it be done.

They should have drafted JH in 2020 and traded Jones when he still had value
RE: Chargers draft JJ  
RomanWH : 4/23/2024 1:59 pm : link
In comment 16481819 JonC said:
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and trade JH to NYG. Let it be done.


For Justin Herbert? I'd deal both #6 and next year's 1st plus more for him. So long as they can work out the money.

Let Harbaugh have his full rebuild with his college QB. We get a mulligan on the 2019/2020 drafts.
RE: RE: I don’t buy the Pats/Vikes/Giants rumor  
HardTruth : 4/23/2024 2:00 pm : link
In comment 16481744 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 16481682 HardTruth said:


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Largely, it’s malpractice for Giants to share who they are taking (Maye) with Pats because it can and will be used against them

Ie Pats can trade the 3 to Vikings for Maye and drop to 11 with the info that the Giants are not interested in McCarthy and therefore take the team with best ammo to trade for McCarthy (Vikes) out of the equation. They would then be competing with Broncos/Raiders for McCarthy and armed with the draft capital from Vikings.

If the Giants are talking trade with Pats it has to be discussed with the Pats for nameless QB and they can take whatever QB they desire (Maye or McCarthy, etc) or sharing that info can cost the Giants the very player they want to trade up for.



Ok, so let me get this straight, if you had the 3rd pick and were interested in JJM you would consider trading with a team behind you without knowing if they wanted JJM too? That makes sense..


The Pats may ask for that info but a team is crazy to offer it up specifically when drafting the same position

There have been videos showing draft trade conversations from NFL teams during the draft and everyone ive seen they only say the position, not the player

The Giants would be crazy to tell NE that they will draft Maye and promise not to take McCarthy so that NE can maneuver for McCarthy. The Giants should only tell NE that they are trading to 3 for a QB. Its their risk to trade out.
Has anyone thought of the possibility  
RomanWH : 4/23/2024 2:07 pm : link
that NE drafts Maye and trades him after the fact depending on who drafts JJM? They would do the same thing the Chargers did back in 2004 when they took Manning and traded him to the Giants for Rivers+lots of picks.

NE gets a haul, Kraft gets his new golden boy and the Giants/Vikings/whomever get second guessed into oblivion until they win it all with Maye.
If Penix can go 15  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/23/2024 2:08 pm : link
he can go 6. Sit tight and get the best thrower in the class.
RE: RE: Chargers draft JJ  
JonC : 4/23/2024 2:08 pm : link
In comment 16481827 jestersdead said:
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In comment 16481819 JonC said:


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and trade JH to NYG. Let it be done.


They should have drafted JH in 2020 and traded Jones when he still had value


Yep, I said the same four years ago. No brainer.
RE: If Penix can go 15  
JonC : 4/23/2024 2:08 pm : link
In comment 16481854 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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he can go 6. Sit tight and get the best thrower in the class.


Very unlikely.
RE: If Penix can go 15  
Go Terps : 4/23/2024 2:10 pm : link
In comment 16481854 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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he can go 6. Sit tight and get the best thrower in the class.


It's a good idea, which means it ain't happening.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
j_rud : 4/23/2024 2:30 pm : link
In comment 16481669 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 16481652 j_rud said:


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In comment 16481642 Eric from BBI said:


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"Dangerous game for Pats to trade back to 11 if they want JJ"

Which is why the 3-way trade makes a ton of sense.



Despite the two picks its feeling increasingly likely that Minny won't be able to trade into the top 5. Interestingly enough I think we might be their best option, which is why I'd love to know what we really think of JJM.



I've been saying this since the day the Vikings acquired #23. The team needs of the teams picking in the top 5 and the blue chip prospects in the Draft align perfectly. Why would they move away from that?


I've actually been saying the same Rick, I really wouldn't bet on any trades in the top 5. The needs of the teams picking and the strength of the draft has aligned in a way you don't often see.
RE: I don’t buy the Pats/Vikes/Giants rumor  
Optimus-NY : 4/23/2024 2:47 pm : link
In comment 16481682 HardTruth said:
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Largely, it’s malpractice for Giants to share who they are taking (Maye) with Pats because it can and will be used against them

Ie Pats can trade the 3 to Vikings for Maye and drop to 11 with the info that the Giants are not interested in McCarthy and therefore take the team with best ammo to trade for McCarthy (Vikes) out of the equation. They would then be competing with Broncos/Raiders for McCarthy and armed with the draft capital from Vikings.

If the Giants are talking trade with Pats it has to be discussed with the Pats for nameless QB and they can take whatever QB they desire (Maye or McCarthy, etc) or sharing that info can cost the Giants the very player they want to trade up for.


I think at this point everyone knows who everyone likes. It ain't rocket science man...
RE: RE: Chargers draft JJ  
Optimus-NY : 4/23/2024 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16481827 jestersdead said:
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In comment 16481819 JonC said:


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and trade JH to NYG. Let it be done.


They should have drafted JH in 2020 and traded Jones when he still had value


That's too forward thinking for the Giants...
RE: RE: If Penix can go 15  
jvm52106 : 4/23/2024 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16481858 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16481854 Jim in Forest Hills said:


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he can go 6. Sit tight and get the best thrower in the class.



It's a good idea, which means it ain't happening.


Its your idea, not a good idea.
RE: RE: RE: I don’t buy the Pats/Vikes/Giants rumor  
Fifty Six : 4/23/2024 3:02 pm : link
In comment 16481841 HardTruth said:
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In comment 16481682 HardTruth said:


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Largely, it’s malpractice for Giants to share who they are taking (Maye) with Pats because it can and will be used against them

Ie Pats can trade the 3 to Vikings for Maye and drop to 11 with the info that the Giants are not interested in McCarthy and therefore take the team with best ammo to trade for McCarthy (Vikes) out of the equation. They would then be competing with Broncos/Raiders for McCarthy and armed with the draft capital from Vikings.

If the Giants are talking trade with Pats it has to be discussed with the Pats for nameless QB and they can take whatever QB they desire (Maye or McCarthy, etc) or sharing that info can cost the Giants the very player they want to trade up for.



Ok, so let me get this straight, if you had the 3rd pick and were interested in JJM you would consider trading with a team behind you without knowing if they wanted JJM too? That makes sense..



The Pats may ask for that info but a team is crazy to offer it up specifically when drafting the same position

There have been videos showing draft trade conversations from NFL teams during the draft and everyone ive seen they only say the position, not the player

The Giants would be crazy to tell NE that they will draft Maye and promise not to take McCarthy so that NE can maneuver for McCarthy. The Giants should only tell NE that they are trading to 3 for a QB. Its their risk to trade out.


A lot of times they will only give offense or defense. No one wants to say who they're drafting.
You can’t draft a player and trade him.  
BrianLeonard23 : 4/23/2024 3:11 pm : link
Hasn’t been allowed for a while. That’s why you never see those trades anymo
Wait, did I read that right?  
k2tampa : 4/23/2024 3:32 pm : link
"Chargers is interesting - Obvious connection is 11, with Vikings. Rather have JJ go to good situation in Minny."

There is a reporter who covers the NFL that actually believes a team's GM and, yes, coach, will make a decision that will affect their team based on what is best for a player who won't be on their team? NFL GMs don't even make decisions about their own team based on what is best for a player on their own team.
RE: If Penix can go 15  
JCassmen : 4/23/2024 6:27 pm : link
In comment 16481854 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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he can go 6. Sit tight and get the best thrower in the class.


Agree!
RE: RE: If Penix can go 15  
GFAN52 : 4/23/2024 6:32 pm : link
In comment 16482183 JCassmen said:
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In comment 16481854 Jim in Forest Hills said:


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he can go 6. Sit tight and get the best thrower in the class.



Agree!


Not me.
The legend of Penix arm  
JT039 : 4/23/2024 6:39 pm : link
Will go down with the likes of Brett Favre, Dan Marino and John Elway.
RE: You can’t draft a player and trade him.  
Strahan91 : 4/23/2024 7:05 pm : link
In comment 16481951 BrianLeonard23 said:
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Hasn’t been allowed for a while. That’s why you never see those trades anymo

That's not true. It's pretty clear in the CBA that draft rights can be traded prior to the player signing his rookie deal up until 13 days before the first game of the season. It's extremely rare because it's a massive risk for teams to take without being 100% certain the trade will actually happen.
RE: RE: You can’t draft a player and trade him.  
BrianLeonard23 : 4/23/2024 10:25 pm : link
In comment 16482239 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 16481951 BrianLeonard23 said:


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Hasn’t been allowed for a while. That’s why you never see those trades anymo


That's not true. It's pretty clear in the CBA that draft rights can be traded prior to the player signing his rookie deal up until 13 days before the first game of the season. It's extremely rare because it's a massive risk for teams to take without being 100% certain the trade will actually happen.


My mistake if you are right. I was pretty sure at some point that was disallowed. There was a thread that touched on it here a few weeks ago.
RE: RE: If Penix can go 15  
Chocco : 4/24/2024 7:15 am : link
In comment 16481858 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16481854 Jim in Forest Hills said:


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he can go 6. Sit tight and get the best thrower in the class.



It's a good idea, which means it ain't happening.


Haha, this almost exactly the thought process when DG drafted DJ
Pats  
bc4life : 4/24/2024 7:29 am : link
will not trade out of the #3 spot.
RE: RE: Chargers draft JJ  
Milton : 4/24/2024 7:37 am : link
In comment 16481827 jestersdead said:
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and trade JH to NYG. Let it be done.


They should have drafted JH in 2020 and traded Jones when he still had value
They should've drafted Tom Brady instead of Dhani Jones in the 6th round of the 2000 NFL Draft.
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