One thing I've been thinking about recently: if we punt on the decision to 2025, isn't it likely that we'll be picking outside top 5 again? So a trade up next year would be required in all likelihood even if we punt this year.
RE: Great piece, really summarizes the state of play nicely.
One thing I've been thinking about recently: if we punt on the decision to 2025, isn't it likely that we'll be picking outside top 5 again? So a trade up next year would be required in all likelihood even if we punt this year.
I wouldn't assume anything. We may be a last-place team in our own division.
But the odds say we won't be in the top three. You don't need to be in the top three to get a good QB in every draft however (just depends on how the QBs are ranked).
Also if the Giants do trade down, they could accrue picks for next year.
RE: RE: Great piece, really summarizes the state of play nicely.
One thing I've been thinking about recently: if we punt on the decision to 2025, isn't it likely that we'll be picking outside top 5 again? So a trade up next year would be required in all likelihood even if we punt this year.
I wouldn't assume anything. We may be a last-place team in our own division.
But the odds say we won't be in the top three. You don't need to be in the top three to get a good QB in every draft however (just depends on how the QBs are ranked).
Also if the Giants do trade down, they could accrue picks for next year.
What does your gut say, are the Giants likely to win 6+ games next year? I'd take the under, but I could see them squeaking out 6 again.
I've been in favor of trading down for 2025 assets, and it would seem if JJM is there at 6 there will be plenty of trade down opportunities.
I am in the minority and am ok punting QB this year.
If we grab a WR this year in the 1st (I won't predict trades), I'd love a guy like Braden Fiske in the 2nd. If not him, an OT like Jordan Morgan who can slot into G or T, wherever we see needs the most help
review. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Giants trade down in the second or third rounds to get one or two more picks. But unless they get an incredible offer, I hope they don't trade down in the first round. We desperately need impact players, and have a chance to get a potential franchise QB or potentially game-changing WR at #6.
review. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Giants trade down in the second or third rounds to get one or two more picks. But unless they get an incredible offer, I hope they don't trade down in the first round. We desperately need impact players, and have a chance to get a potential franchise QB or potentially game-changing WR at #6.
I actually keep going back-and-forth on it. I understand both options.
but I think I disagree with your take on our current wide receivers. I am not impressed by "flashes" from Wan'Dale or Hyatt, nor am I satisfied with Slayton's mediocrity.
Until proven otherwise, this is a bottom-tier unit. Counting on young guys showing flashes--especially at a position where rookies and young players frequently enter the league and dominate--is a loser-type mentality that has dogged this franchise for a decade or more. We should assume the cupboard is bare. It's a passing league and our receivers suck so far. (Could they develop? Sure. But I don't see why we should bank on it or assume it.)
In fact, as I've stated elsewhere, we have some of the worst offensive talent in the entire league. We do have Andrew Thomas, who is awesome, but everything else is frankly depressing.
I will be perfectly satisfied if we stay at 6 and take a top WR.
We have 5 guys on the defensive side of the ball who played at an excellent or very good level last year: Dex, KT, Burns, Okereke, and Pinnock. You could also argue with a straight face that Te Banks could be in the "very good" category.
On offense, we have just Andrew Thomas. This offense needs talent across the board, we have to stop hoping and dreaming on the lackluster talent that we already have.
If you were a rookie quarterback starting for the Giants,
The free agents will improve the talent level and maybe it will work out. But even if the talent is adequate for the line to give up only 45 sacks, not great. they will still have a bunch of guys who have never played together before. Maybe they will let them play in the preseason games.
And what of the running game. The rookie quarterback is certainly concerned about that. It is likely that we have mediocre back running behind mediocre line.
Odell Beckham was a very good wide receiver, especially in his first three seasons. But he played in only four games in his fourth season, and 12 the year after, and in his 7th, 8th and 9th seasons he played in 7, 6, and 8 games.
Because skill players have relatively short careers at the top, that is why in the past it was doctrine to make them the last pieces to join the team.
Here is some random wisdom from the late Gil Brandt.
Hi Gil,
What indicators do you look for that might indicate a highly-regarded player has a higher-than-normal potential to be a bust? What lets you predict a Ryan Leaf as opposed to a Peyton Manning?
Gil Brandt: In Ryan Leaf’s case, he was an individual who had a lot of talent but not the greatest work habits. The Mannings have outstanding work habits. When you can find out about a player’s work habits that will say a lot about whether he will succeed or fail. In Leaf’s case, if you had good connections at his high school, Great Falls Russell in Montana, and college, Washington State, you could have learned a lot about his approach. This is where relationships with high school and college coaches come into play.
The same thing about work ethic holds not only in football, but in industry as well. It’s no different.
It is fair to say we are in dire need of a quarterback.
It's time for the GM, Head Coach and scouts to prove their competency. If they have potential franchise grades on one or more attainable qbs they must be creative in trying to get one. It is as simple as that. I don't want to give up next year's one but it might be necessary to get the deal done.
The roster is mediocre at best and even getting our future franchise qb will still leave the Giants a lot of rebuilding to do before the team can become a viable playoff contender. It is obvious to all of us that we need our next quarterback to be the cornerstone of this franchise. The problem to me is I'm not sure if the quarterbacks that would be in our range fill the bill as a franchise quarterback.
has to be on the table. If some team were to offer the Giants a great deal for their #6 pick, Schoen should listen."
That would have both a tangible and intangible benefit: (1) The Giants would be able to fill more holes on a leaky roster; and (2) added excitement as the Giants are called to the podium more often!
The FA/trade acquisitions were good and filled key spots on the OL, EDGE, TE, RB. We still have needs though that outnumber what we have the ability to fix. We’re closer to having a decent roster than we’ve been in a long time. We need a good draft to keep it going in the right direction.
but I think I disagree with your take on our current wide receivers. I am not impressed by "flashes" from Wan'Dale or Hyatt, nor am I satisfied with Slayton's mediocrity.
Until proven otherwise, this is a bottom-tier unit. Counting on young guys showing flashes--especially at a position where rookies and young players frequently enter the league and dominate--is a loser-type mentality that has dogged this franchise for a decade or more. We should assume the cupboard is bare. It's a passing league and our receivers suck so far. (Could they develop? Sure. But I don't see why we should bank on it or assume it.)
In fact, as I've stated elsewhere, we have some of the worst offensive talent in the entire league. We do have Andrew Thomas, who is awesome, but everything else is frankly depressing.
I will be perfectly satisfied if we stay at 6 and take a top WR.
If you are right and Hyatt and Wan'Dale are not part of the solution, then we need to fire Schoen and Daboll as soon as possible. Because it would mean they can't draft.
When he was on the field....he created separation immediately.....and seems to have a nice wiggle after the catch.....making him not easy to tackle...he is short. But not small.
I think Hyatt has a ton of potential but his routes require more than the second the OL/QB has afforded.
review. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Giants trade down in the second or third rounds to get one or two more picks. But unless they get an incredible offer, I hope they don't trade down in the first round. We desperately need impact players, and have a chance to get a potential franchise QB or potentially game-changing WR at #6.
I think there are some impact defenders if we trade down depending on when the run on OL occurs. Arnold or Mitchell could be a big upgrade at CB. Verse, Turner, and Latu can all get after the QB. Even with the Burns deal you can never have too many pass rushers.
love a 2nd pass rush capable DT and would not turn up my nose at one, they already have an excellent pass rushing DT in Dexter Lawrence. Where they were awful last year was stopping the run.
If they aren't getting the QB, I am starting to prefer a trade into the 9-12 range for extra picks. Take Thomas or Penix and then CB/DT or OG with the next two picks.
I am indifferent regarding #6. I would be pleased with JJM. But if he is unavailable, I would be happy with Odunze. or possibly MHJr I am not of fan of Nabers (character concerns). At #47, I would hope to get Max Melton, CB out of Rutgers and at #70, my choice would be Theo Johnson, TE out of Penn State. After that I would focus on RB, Safety and DL.
"No one is going to be happy after this draft is over."
I actually would be happy if they could get Maye without giving up other first round draft choices or McCarthy without moving up more than one spot since it means Daboll/Shoen really believe in him, and I trust their judgment about QBs. But yeah, nobody's gonna be happy until they start winning games...
I agree trading down still makes a ton of sense. Too many holes on the roster and not enough picks. I think Waller has a better chance of playing another year after the divorce. Would be tough for him to sit on the couch alone after a lackluster end to his career. Not saying he’s going to have some incredible resurgence but being in the locker room and making some more money wouldn’t hurt his situation.
grab a #1 WR and then go from there.
Otherwise trade back for more picks.
Can't give up next years picks which may be even better than this year considering a 4-5 win 2024 season
Eric, I do not want to go on a tangent....but Eli was never in
on day one and two, let me know where we are meeting, Eric?
And bring your dry throat... ;)
If it's opening night against the Cowboys again with Jones at QB... ugh....
I'd rather start Lock and see if there is anything there.
Same. Maybe we get a Geno Smith type improvement. Probably not but we DEFINITELY wont if he doesnt play. That said, I dont think ownership would love that plan.
positions/needs is the batting average, both FA and draft.
So far, the drafts haven't been stellar. Not bad, but not good enough to make much headway in improvement. FA hasn't been much better. The decisions on DJ/SB were the wrong ones. SB is gone, and it looks like they really want to move on from DJ, a year after lining the bank vault with gold for both.
It doesn't matter what needs are addressed if they aren't fixed in the attempt. OL says hello. IF Schoen/Daboll are on the hot seat, it won't be because they took a WR instead of a QB, or vice versa. It'll be because they fail at whatever approach they take. Approach doesn't matter if you can't execute.
Until S/D can show increased competency at talent evaluation, the team will be swimming in the murky bottom layers.
My issue is, and it’s really frustrating, I’ve posted for a few years now something along the lines of “we have too many needs to expect them to be all filled in one offseason”…it’s like we truly are stuck in mud here with regards to moving this thing forward..
love a 2nd pass rush capable DT and would not turn up my nose at one, they already have an excellent pass rushing DT in Dexter Lawrence. Where they were awful last year was stopping the run.
If they aren't getting the QB, I am starting to prefer a trade into the 9-12 range for extra picks. Take Thomas or Penix and then CB/DT or OG with the next two picks.
Could part of the Giants' problems in run defense be that our DC liked to play with only two linemen and the edges, essentially playing defensive end, couldn't anchor from a two-point stance?
My issue is, and it’s really frustrating, I’ve posted for a few years now something along the lines of “we have too many needs to expect them to be all filled in one offseason”…it’s like we truly are stuck in mud here with regards to moving this thing forward..
The Giants are a sad version "Groundhog Day," except this is not a light romantic comedy. It is just a bad football team that never improves and despite multiple coaching and GM changes in the last few years still appears directionless and rudderless.
RE: Eric, I do not want to go on a tangent....but Eli was never in
The only player that defenses cared about to stop is gone
Wandale shows ability but he is a slot complimentary receiver at this point. Hyatt can run a deep pattern and that is all at this point. Slayton on any decent team is at best a 3 likely a 4 and here he is the 1.
The so called starting TE is semi retired and the backup scares zero defensive players
THe RB does nothing to scare DC
the OL is terrible until proven otherwise.
You absolutely cant mortgage future assets when the team is so bereft of talent for utter question mark at QB. If you take 1 at 6 that is different
i just dont see how people look at Daniels, Maye, JJM and say we absolutely will motrgage future assets to get these guys as total cant miss, must have players. When there are as many concerns as there are with these guys you dont trade up
love a 2nd pass rush capable DT and would not turn up my nose at one, they already have an excellent pass rushing DT in Dexter Lawrence. Where they were awful last year was stopping the run.
If they aren't getting the QB, I am starting to prefer a trade into the 9-12 range for extra picks. Take Thomas or Penix and then CB/DT or OG with the next two picks.
Could part of the Giants' problems in run defense be that our DC liked to play with only two linemen and the edges, essentially playing defensive end, couldn't anchor from a two-point stance?
I would agree with that - crappy defensive calls from Wink and a crappy alignment. But that even reinforces my position. I would love a killer defensive front. But they have some stout guys already and Dex is an excellent pass rusher. So I would go DT in rnd 2 or 3, not 1.
I had this exact thought when I woke up this morning…
after let’s say trading our Round 2 pick? That could be a good consolation and possibly something the Giants looked into considering their discussions with 49ers about Aiyuk. They do need a playmaker to come out of this draft though. Even if not a WR#1.
RE: When Eli had his big year in 2011, who were his receivers?
love a 2nd pass rush capable DT and would not turn up my nose at one, they already have an excellent pass rushing DT in Dexter Lawrence. Where they were awful last year was stopping the run.
If they aren't getting the QB, I am starting to prefer a trade into the 9-12 range for extra picks. Take Thomas or Penix and then CB/DT or OG with the next two picks.
I'm very much in favor of this approach. Incrementally improve the Offense, and build a kick-ass Defense.
No one is going to be happy after this draft is over.
I will be, no matter what direction the Giants go in. Simply because the key to happiness is being content with what you have. As long as the team is playing hard, I am content with the current brand of smart tough dependable Giant football
When he was on the field....he created separation immediately.....and seems to have a nice wiggle after the catch.....making him not easy to tackle...he is short. But not small.
I think Hyatt has a ton of potential but his routes require more than the second the OL/QB has afforded.
Ok well where are Wan'Dale's great numbers then? Injuries and availability matter. I really like Hyatt, but again, the production wasn't there. We're happy to blame Daniel Jones despite the o-line being shit, I'm also happy to extend that reasoning to Hyatt. Maybe if he had more to his game than go-routes (and similar) he would have gotten the ball more?
Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers has won the 2011 Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player award in a landslide. Rodgers earned 48 votes to two for New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees in balloting by a nationwide panel of 50 media members who regularly cover the NFL.Feb 4, 2012
I love Eli and probably the greatest QB in Giants History .....certainly 2 playoff MVP if that existed and obviously a Super Bowl MVP....but not a regular season MVP.
Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers has won the 2011 Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player award in a landslide. Rodgers earned 48 votes to two for New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees in balloting by a nationwide panel of 50 media members who regularly cover the NFL.Feb 4, 2012
I love Eli and probably the greatest QB in Giants History .....certainly 2 playoff MVP if that existed and obviously a Super Bowl MVP....but not a regular season MVP.
Eli was clutch in big games. He won me over forever with that SF playoff game and the two Super Bowl MVPs.
Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers has won the 2011 Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player award in a landslide. Rodgers earned 48 votes to two for New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees in balloting by a nationwide panel of 50 media members who regularly cover the NFL.Feb 4, 2012
I love Eli and probably the greatest QB in Giants History .....certainly 2 playoff MVP if that existed and obviously a Super Bowl MVP....but not a regular season MVP.
And yet in the playoffs, Manning clearly out-played Rodgers. It wasn't even close.
Take a chance is trade up for a Qb or traded down and take a Nix or a Penix (I only just now noticed Nix in both names) in the first and hope they outperform their draft rank. Play it safe is stick and pick the best WR. Get the best need/value in the remaining rounds. I like Fiske or the Rutgers Cb, Theo Johnson, Estime....
If it's me, I trade down and get Penix and chance the medicals.
One thing I've been thinking about recently: if we punt on the decision to 2025, isn't it likely that we'll be picking outside top 5 again? So a trade up next year would be required in all likelihood even if we punt this year.
1. QB McCarthy
2. TE Sinnott
3. WR Roman Wilson
4. RB Jaylen Wright
5. S Tykee Smith
6. CB Marcellus Dial
Used PFN simulator. Did not trade up for McCarthy - perhaps that scenario will play out IRL. Let’s hope. Took Sinnott over Trey Benson in r2. McCarthy loved throwing to the TE, and Sinnott to me has some Sam Laporta in his game. Roman Wilson in r3 - help build around our rookie QB with a familiar face. I think people leave Wilson as a slot, but he has the speed and craftiness to thrive in Daboll’s system that stresses separation. Believe he’ll be a better pro in a system once in a system where he’s asked to do more than he was at UM (like McCarthy). R4 I grab a homerun hitter at RB who will complement Singletary as a guy who can do it all. Not a power runner, but Dabolls offense hasn’t been downhill anyway. Went DBs in the late round. A couple of dart throws but both guys are + athletes and Tykee Smith can really tackle and plays all over at UGA.
I wouldn't assume anything. We may be a last-place team in our own division.
But the odds say we won't be in the top three. You don't need to be in the top three to get a good QB in every draft however (just depends on how the QBs are ranked).
Also if the Giants do trade down, they could accrue picks for next year.
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One thing I've been thinking about recently: if we punt on the decision to 2025, isn't it likely that we'll be picking outside top 5 again? So a trade up next year would be required in all likelihood even if we punt this year.
I wouldn't assume anything. We may be a last-place team in our own division.
But the odds say we won't be in the top three. You don't need to be in the top three to get a good QB in every draft however (just depends on how the QBs are ranked).
Also if the Giants do trade down, they could accrue picks for next year.
What does your gut say, are the Giants likely to win 6+ games next year? I'd take the under, but I could see them squeaking out 6 again.
I've been in favor of trading down for 2025 assets, and it would seem if JJM is there at 6 there will be plenty of trade down opportunities.
And bring your dry throat... ;)
That being said...
I am in the minority and am ok punting QB this year.
If we grab a WR this year in the 1st (I won't predict trades), I'd love a guy like Braden Fiske in the 2nd. If not him, an OT like Jordan Morgan who can slot into G or T, wherever we see needs the most help
And bring your dry throat... ;)
If it's opening night against the Cowboys again with Jones at QB... ugh....
I'd rather start Lock and see if there is anything there.
I actually keep going back-and-forth on it. I understand both options.
Until proven otherwise, this is a bottom-tier unit. Counting on young guys showing flashes--especially at a position where rookies and young players frequently enter the league and dominate--is a loser-type mentality that has dogged this franchise for a decade or more. We should assume the cupboard is bare. It's a passing league and our receivers suck so far. (Could they develop? Sure. But I don't see why we should bank on it or assume it.)
In fact, as I've stated elsewhere, we have some of the worst offensive talent in the entire league. We do have Andrew Thomas, who is awesome, but everything else is frankly depressing.
I will be perfectly satisfied if we stay at 6 and take a top WR.
On offense, we have just Andrew Thomas. This offense needs talent across the board, we have to stop hoping and dreaming on the lackluster talent that we already have.
The free agents will improve the talent level and maybe it will work out. But even if the talent is adequate for the line to give up only 45 sacks, not great. they will still have a bunch of guys who have never played together before. Maybe they will let them play in the preseason games.
And what of the running game. The rookie quarterback is certainly concerned about that. It is likely that we have mediocre back running behind mediocre line.
Odell Beckham was a very good wide receiver, especially in his first three seasons. But he played in only four games in his fourth season, and 12 the year after, and in his 7th, 8th and 9th seasons he played in 7, 6, and 8 games.
Because skill players have relatively short careers at the top, that is why in the past it was doctrine to make them the last pieces to join the team.
Here is some random wisdom from the late Gil Brandt.
Hi Gil,
What indicators do you look for that might indicate a highly-regarded player has a higher-than-normal potential to be a bust? What lets you predict a Ryan Leaf as opposed to a Peyton Manning?
Gil Brandt: In Ryan Leaf’s case, he was an individual who had a lot of talent but not the greatest work habits. The Mannings have outstanding work habits. When you can find out about a player’s work habits that will say a lot about whether he will succeed or fail. In Leaf’s case, if you had good connections at his high school, Great Falls Russell in Montana, and college, Washington State, you could have learned a lot about his approach. This is where relationships with high school and college coaches come into play.
The same thing about work ethic holds not only in football, but in industry as well. It’s no different.
The roster is mediocre at best and even getting our future franchise qb will still leave the Giants a lot of rebuilding to do before the team can become a viable playoff contender. It is obvious to all of us that we need our next quarterback to be the cornerstone of this franchise. The problem to me is I'm not sure if the quarterbacks that would be in our range fill the bill as a franchise quarterback.
I am not as gloom and doom with the QBs.
Granted, I not sure if the Giants ever had a top 5 QB....but I would love one!!!!
That would have both a tangible and intangible benefit: (1) The Giants would be able to fill more holes on a leaky roster; and (2) added excitement as the Giants are called to the podium more often!
Until proven otherwise, this is a bottom-tier unit. Counting on young guys showing flashes--especially at a position where rookies and young players frequently enter the league and dominate--is a loser-type mentality that has dogged this franchise for a decade or more. We should assume the cupboard is bare. It's a passing league and our receivers suck so far. (Could they develop? Sure. But I don't see why we should bank on it or assume it.)
In fact, as I've stated elsewhere, we have some of the worst offensive talent in the entire league. We do have Andrew Thomas, who is awesome, but everything else is frankly depressing.
I will be perfectly satisfied if we stay at 6 and take a top WR.
If you are right and Hyatt and Wan'Dale are not part of the solution, then we need to fire Schoen and Daboll as soon as possible. Because it would mean they can't draft.
I think Hyatt has a ton of potential but his routes require more than the second the OL/QB has afforded.
I am not as gloom and doom with the QBs.
Granted, I not sure if the Giants ever had a top 5 QB....but I would love one!!!!
You mean Jones?
(BTW, Eli was arguably league MVP in 2011).
I think there are some impact defenders if we trade down depending on when the run on OL occurs. Arnold or Mitchell could be a big upgrade at CB. Verse, Turner, and Latu can all get after the QB. Even with the Burns deal you can never have too many pass rushers.
If they aren't getting the QB, I am starting to prefer a trade into the 9-12 range for extra picks. Take Thomas or Penix and then CB/DT or OG with the next two picks.
I actually would be happy if they could get Maye without giving up other first round draft choices or McCarthy without moving up more than one spot since it means Daboll/Shoen really believe in him, and I trust their judgment about QBs. But yeah, nobody's gonna be happy until they start winning games...
They can't afford a flop/bust. or any non contributors.
If they go WR at 6, I pray it's Odunze not Nabers.
I agree that given the state of the roster trading down for more picks is a good plan if they can find a willing partner.
Otherwise trade back for more picks.
Can't give up next years picks which may be even better than this year considering a 4-5 win 2024 season
2011....Drew Brees and Rodgers had great years.... Cam Newton Stafford, and Brady all probably had better regular season.
I love Eli....but he always hovered around 7/8 in the league and not viewed as a Top 5 QB....
The Giants had a more balanced attack...and defense was king.
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on day one and two, let me know where we are meeting, Eric?
And bring your dry throat... ;)
If it's opening night against the Cowboys again with Jones at QB... ugh....
I'd rather start Lock and see if there is anything there.
Same. Maybe we get a Geno Smith type improvement. Probably not but we DEFINITELY wont if he doesnt play. That said, I dont think ownership would love that plan.
So far, the drafts haven't been stellar. Not bad, but not good enough to make much headway in improvement. FA hasn't been much better. The decisions on DJ/SB were the wrong ones. SB is gone, and it looks like they really want to move on from DJ, a year after lining the bank vault with gold for both.
It doesn't matter what needs are addressed if they aren't fixed in the attempt. OL says hello. IF Schoen/Daboll are on the hot seat, it won't be because they took a WR instead of a QB, or vice versa. It'll be because they fail at whatever approach they take. Approach doesn't matter if you can't execute.
Until S/D can show increased competency at talent evaluation, the team will be swimming in the murky bottom layers.
If they aren't getting the QB, I am starting to prefer a trade into the 9-12 range for extra picks. Take Thomas or Penix and then CB/DT or OG with the next two picks.
Could part of the Giants' problems in run defense be that our DC liked to play with only two linemen and the edges, essentially playing defensive end, couldn't anchor from a two-point stance?
The Giants are a sad version "Groundhog Day," except this is not a light romantic comedy. It is just a bad football team that never improves and despite multiple coaching and GM changes in the last few years still appears directionless and rudderless.
2011....Drew Brees and Rodgers had great years.... Cam Newton Stafford, and Brady all probably had better regular season.
I love Eli....but he always hovered around 7/8 in the league and not viewed as a Top 5 QB....
The Giants had a more balanced attack...and defense was king.
George, in 2011:
New York's defense: 27th in the NFL
New York's running game: 32nd in the NFL
Eli Manning's 4th quarterback comebacks in 2011: 6 in the regular-season, 2 in the playoffs
Eli Manning is THE reason why the Giants won their last Super Bowl. If that isn't a League MVP, they should get rid of the award.
The only player that defenses cared about to stop is gone
Wandale shows ability but he is a slot complimentary receiver at this point. Hyatt can run a deep pattern and that is all at this point. Slayton on any decent team is at best a 3 likely a 4 and here he is the 1.
The so called starting TE is semi retired and the backup scares zero defensive players
THe RB does nothing to scare DC
the OL is terrible until proven otherwise.
You absolutely cant mortgage future assets when the team is so bereft of talent for utter question mark at QB. If you take 1 at 6 that is different
i just dont see how people look at Daniels, Maye, JJM and say we absolutely will motrgage future assets to get these guys as total cant miss, must have players. When there are as many concerns as there are with these guys you dont trade up
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love a 2nd pass rush capable DT and would not turn up my nose at one, they already have an excellent pass rushing DT in Dexter Lawrence. Where they were awful last year was stopping the run.
If they aren't getting the QB, I am starting to prefer a trade into the 9-12 range for extra picks. Take Thomas or Penix and then CB/DT or OG with the next two picks.
Could part of the Giants' problems in run defense be that our DC liked to play with only two linemen and the edges, essentially playing defensive end, couldn't anchor from a two-point stance?
I would agree with that - crappy defensive calls from Wink and a crappy alignment. But that even reinforces my position. I would love a killer defensive front. But they have some stout guys already and Dex is an excellent pass rusher. So I would go DT in rnd 2 or 3, not 1.
Right now, I am hoping for a trade up (exciting!) or trade back (more shots at finding some talent).
If they don't go anywhere, I'd like them to grab Odunze. High work-ethic, non-headcase receiver with + potential. We need to not miss on this pick.
Cruz: Free Agent
Manningham Round 3 Pick 95.
They were all off the Giants and out of football two or three years later.
Cruz: Free Agent
Manningham Round 3 Pick 95.
They were all off the Giants and out of football two or three years later.
Only because of major injuries. It’s not like they declined out of nowhere.
If they aren't getting the QB, I am starting to prefer a trade into the 9-12 range for extra picks. Take Thomas or Penix and then CB/DT or OG with the next two picks.
I'm very much in favor of this approach. Incrementally improve the Offense, and build a kick-ass Defense.
I will be, no matter what direction the Giants go in. Simply because the key to happiness is being content with what you have. As long as the team is playing hard, I am content with the current brand of smart tough dependable Giant football
/nods head
I think Hyatt has a ton of potential but his routes require more than the second the OL/QB has afforded.
Ok well where are Wan'Dale's great numbers then? Injuries and availability matter. I really like Hyatt, but again, the production wasn't there. We're happy to blame Daniel Jones despite the o-line being shit, I'm also happy to extend that reasoning to Hyatt. Maybe if he had more to his game than go-routes (and similar) he would have gotten the ball more?
I love Eli and probably the greatest QB in Giants History .....certainly 2 playoff MVP if that existed and obviously a Super Bowl MVP....but not a regular season MVP.
W.Robinson must stay healthy...hopefully, injuries behind him.
I am not a D.Jones hater....he is not great, but did lead team to playoffs and won a playoff game..so he not garbage either.
The NFL is not fair....and it sure looks like his time with the Giants is over.
I love Eli and probably the greatest QB in Giants History .....certainly 2 playoff MVP if that existed and obviously a Super Bowl MVP....but not a regular season MVP.
Eli was clutch in big games. He won me over forever with that SF playoff game and the two Super Bowl MVPs.
He had a great, great season.
I love Eli and probably the greatest QB in Giants History .....certainly 2 playoff MVP if that existed and obviously a Super Bowl MVP....but not a regular season MVP.
And yet in the playoffs, Manning clearly out-played Rodgers. It wasn't even close.
If it's me, I trade down and get Penix and chance the medicals.
And if they do, it will be the Dave Gettleman days of everybody in the league knowing our draft strategy - QB or bust.
If we pass on QB this year, make no mistake that we are shopping very hungry and any sort of trade up but will be expensive.
1. QB McCarthy
2. TE Sinnott
3. WR Roman Wilson
4. RB Jaylen Wright
5. S Tykee Smith
6. CB Marcellus Dial
Used PFN simulator. Did not trade up for McCarthy - perhaps that scenario will play out IRL. Let’s hope. Took Sinnott over Trey Benson in r2. McCarthy loved throwing to the TE, and Sinnott to me has some Sam Laporta in his game. Roman Wilson in r3 - help build around our rookie QB with a familiar face. I think people leave Wilson as a slot, but he has the speed and craftiness to thrive in Daboll’s system that stresses separation. Believe he’ll be a better pro in a system once in a system where he’s asked to do more than he was at UM (like McCarthy). R4 I grab a homerun hitter at RB who will complement Singletary as a guy who can do it all. Not a power runner, but Dabolls offense hasn’t been downhill anyway. Went DBs in the late round. A couple of dart throws but both guys are + athletes and Tykee Smith can really tackle and plays all over at UGA.