This chart shows draft investment in OL over the past 5 years.
Guess who is #1? LOL NYG. And some of you want an OL taken in the 1st this year. Because you know "you have to fix the OL".
And I only use the phrase "draft capital" because the author did. Guess who is #2? NYJ. Another shitty OL.
Guess who is #30? two-time defending champion KC Chiefs.
Guess who is #31? SF 49ers a contender the past few years.
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total draft capital used to draft offensive linemen the last 5 years
OL obviously top of that list.
Don't care. Just phucquing fix it already.
The famous 07-11 Giant OL's were built with only one high round draft pick, no? - need better coaching, development.
after that super bowl loss to tampa andy reid said never again.
the 2 draft picks they made were absolute grand slams also (creed humphrey and trey smith).
The Giants front office has been pouring resources into the O line since Reese. Draft picks, free agent signings... they even brought in a guy from the CFL, remember?
It's not that they have neglected the O line. It's that their efforts to address it have failed.
IMO failure is worse than neglect. I assume that since this has been an issue under 3 different GMs, their scouting has been terrible. But I dunno, I'm not in the room.
Diehl (5th)
Suebert (UDFA)
O'Hara (FA signing, but UDFA)
Snee (2nd)
McKenzie (only real big ticket FA, and he was a 3rd round pick originally)
after that super bowl loss to tampa andy reid said never again.
the 2 draft picks they made were absolute grand slams also (creed humphrey and trey smith).
That's partly been my point all along though - FA signings are probably more reliable than draft picks (or so it seems) but to be competitive they absolutely have to get OL contribution from sources outside of the top of the draft. I think practically every contender for the last decade or more has managed to do that.
If you had a good OL prior to 2019, you’re not going to spend a lot of high picks on one since you’re probably re-signing your own players.
The Chiefs outside of Humphrey, signed or traded for an OG and 2 OTs during that stretch.
And it’s been well known that the Giants scouting department has been terrible at finding good OL in the draft on top of terrible coaching. So unless you’re just going to sign free agents every year, you still need to invest in the OL until you get it right. You always hear since the dawn of time build the trenches. It’s that important. Just because we’ve been bad at it doesn’t mean you stop investing in it. You have to until you get it right. The most important thing is to hit on them and coach them well. If the new coaching staff can turn JMS and Neal into studs or at leaves very good pros, you won’t see the Giants use a 1st rd pick on one for a while.
If you had a good OL prior to 2019, you’re not going to spend a lot of high picks on one since you’re probably re-signing your own players.
The Chiefs outside of Humphrey, signed or traded for an OG and 2 OTs during that stretch.
And it’s been well known that the Giants scouting department has been terrible at finding good OL in the draft on top of terrible coaching. So unless you’re just going to sign free agents every year, you still need to invest in the OL until you get it right. You always hear since the dawn of time build the trenches. It’s that important. Just because we’ve been bad at it doesn’t mean you stop investing in it. You have to until you get it right. The most important thing is to hit on them and coach them well. If the new coaching staff can turn JMS and Neal into studs or at leaves very good pros, you won’t see the Giants use a 1st rd pick on one for a while.
Agree with this, we don't have a clear understanding of how to draft and develop. Balance is a key attribute we don't grade well. Said it when we whiffed on Ereck Flowers and hopefully Neals issue is fixable.
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2 of their 4 highest paid players are free agent OL (and they also traded a first for orlando brown in this time period).
after that super bowl loss to tampa andy reid said never again.
the 2 draft picks they made were absolute grand slams also (creed humphrey and trey smith).
That's partly been my point all along though - FA signings are probably more reliable than draft picks (or so it seems) but to be competitive they absolutely have to get OL contribution from sources outside of the top of the draft. I think practically every contender for the last decade or more has managed to do that.
100%. IOL especially is a position where there is value to be had in middle to later rounds similar to the value you get with early picks. the NYG drafting/development has been abhorrent since the new CBA came in right at the same times as Snee et al retired. This sadly crosses over 5 different HCs and 3 different GMs.
You know I didn't want to use it. lol.
However....if there was ever a time where it does make sense to be used because you want to combine draft picks and their value into a single point of reference, this is it. Most people use the phrase when simply draft picks coveys the same message. See you got me started on this again, lol.
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Draft Capital. Haha
You know I didn't want to use it. lol.
However....if there was ever a time where it does make sense to be used because you want to combine draft picks and their value into a single point of reference, this is it. Most people use the phrase when simply draft picks coveys the same message. See you got me started on this again, lol.
Haha. I know.
I have no issue with the phrase. What I have an issue with is how they are used. People say draft capital when they mean picks. They aren't interchangeable.