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| EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – Joe Schoen believes he has the 2024 NFL Draft figured out. Not all 257 selections. But he knows who’s going first. And as the Giants’ general manager, he has a conviction about what they will do. The initial prediction he’s willing to go public with. The second, not so much. “We all know (USC quarterback) Caleb Williams is going number one (to the Chicago Bears), that’s pretty much a done deal,” Schoen said this week. “Feel good about that.” The Giants will pick sixth in the first round tomorrow night. Unless they don’t, which would happen if they trade up or back. Schoen is not letting his intentions leak outside the team’s draft room at the Quest Diagnostics Training Center. “There's going to be a lot of smoke this week: ‘This is the Giants’ guy and this is who they’re taking,’” Schoen said. “And nobody knows because there’s one person that does and I’m keeping things pretty close to the vest in terms of what we’re going to do. The more people that know what’s going on, you maybe put them in a predicament you don’t want to put them in where they know the information, it gets out and then you’re looking at them sideways. So, try to keep as much information in house and that’ll continue through Thursday in terms of when I get a feel for what’s going to happen around us.” Schoen is charged with improving a Giants team that finished 6-11 in 2023. He has added 15 veteran players this offseason and the draft presents another opportunity to continue to reshape the roster. Schoen conceded the team has several positions to upgrade when he said “we’re not one player away, or two” at his news conference last week. The draft is a key component in the never-ending quest to improve the team. “You feel the weight of the expectations no matter what time of year it is,” Schoen said. “Early in August, you feel the expectations. It’s what keeps you up at night, it’s what motivates you every morning. Obviously, we want to get this thing going and heading in the right direction. When you're picking this high, or even last year when we were at 25, there’s always been expectations that you want to improve the football team and bring in as many good football players as you can, so you see the results on Sundays.” The Giants currently own one selection in each of the first six rounds of the seven-round draft. In addition to No. 6, they hold the 47th, 70th, 107th, 166th and 183rd picks. The Giants sent their seventh-round choice to the Arizona Cardinals last year for linebacker Isaiah Simmons. They traded their second-round choice (No. 39) to Carolina earlier this offseason in the deal that delivered premier pass rusher Brian Burns. That deal also included a swap of fifth-round selections, with the Giants sending No. 141 to the Panthers and receiving No. 166. The Giants acquired No. 47 when they traded Leonard Williams to Seattle in October. It's anyone’s guess what will happen with the rest of the top five selections after the Bears – presumably – take Williams. Predictions get even harder further down in the round. Schoen has worked hard to drop no clues, which of course hasn’t prevented media, draft gurus and fans from voicing their own expectations. That ever-growing group of, um, experts has apparently settled on four potential options for the Giants: a) stay at No. 6 and select a wide receiver such as Marvin Harrison, Jr., Malik Nabers, or Rome Odunze; b) stay at No. 6 and take a quarterback, perhaps Drake Maye or J.J. McCarthy; c) trade up for a quarterback, a deal that would likely cost them their 2025 first-round choice, and d) trade back and acquire more picks that can be used to address more needs than they can with just six selections. “You’re going through all the possible scenarios, whether it’s moving up, staying where we are, or moving back,” Schoen said. “There’s a lot of strategy that’s going into it right now.” Schoen has been checking in with general managers around the league to gauge the potential trade options. “(The discussions) will pick up as we get closer to Thursday, I think,” he said. “I told all those people, ‘Nothing’s really going to happen before Thursday, so call back.’ We’ll have conversations early in the day on, ‘Hey, if we did do something, what would it look like?’ And typically, you have a few deals in place before the draft starts. That way, when you’re on the clock, everything's been negotiated.” Schoen consummated trades in each of his first two Giants drafts. In the second round in 2022, he traded twice within a matter of minutes to acquire two extra choices, one in the fourth round and another in the fifth. In the first round last year, he moved up one spot to No. 24 to select cornerback Deonte Banks. The Giants needed a corner and Mississippi State’s Emmanuel Forbes and Oregon’s Christian Gonzalez went 16-17 to Washington and New England, respectively. Schoen proactively secured Banks. “I believe he’d have been the first corner taken in this draft,” Schoen said, “but it was a deeper corner draft last year.” This year, the Giants gave more players first-round grades than they did in the last draft. “We’ve got 15 players in the first round,” Schoen said. Last year, we had 11. Every year it’s different based on what you’re given. You don’t put them there just for posterity or just a visual for window dressing. These are guys that we think deserve first-round grades. If they’re not up there, you put them in the second. You put them where their grade is. We don’t put 32 guys up there to have 32 guys in the first round. “I think each year the ebbs and flows of where the depth of the draft is and where you can acquire players, it shifts based on different variables.” Schoen will be gathering intel right up to the moment the Giants draft their first player, whether it’s sixth or elsewhere. “I’m going to make a lot of phone calls on Thursday,” he said. “Hopefully, some information will start to trickle out in terms of what’s going to happen in front of us so we can continue to headcount who may be there at six, or what we may be doing, if we're going to move up, back, or stay where we are. So just try to gather as much information as I can, again, talk to the other general managers around the league. If anybody wants to come up to six, get those agreements in place. Things will happen fast once you're on the clock, so you’ve got to be ready.” |
Which would mean to me they would have 3 or 4 QB's in RD 1 at the most.. I doubt Penix or Nix are RD 1 guys..
Thats a KEY quote. Basically saying that the Vikings 23 pick isnt a true 1st rd draft pick as everyone assumes
This quote is always why I've overrated the Vikings trade up package. The 23rd pick sounds great to fans, but does a GM have 23 first round grades?
I also think NYG 2025 first > MIN 2025 first.
Deeper than last year, but maybe not as deep as people believed this year.
For some people here the Giants may have Maye as their #1 prospect in this draft.. Just because Williams goes #1, doesn't mean the Giants don't have higher hopes and expectations for Maye..
“There's going to be a lot of smoke this week: ‘This is the Giants’ guy and this is who they’re taking,’” Schoen said. “And nobody knows because there’s one person that does and I’m keeping things pretty close to the vest in terms of what we’re going to do.
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“We’ve got 15 players in the first round,” Schoen said. Last year, we had 11. Every year it’s different based on what you’re given. You don’t put them there just for posterity or just a visual for window dressing. These are guys that we think deserve first-round grades. If they’re not up there, you put them in the second. You put them where their grade is. We don’t put 32 guys up there to have 32 guys in the first round.
Which would mean to me they would have 3 or 4 QB's in RD 1 at the most.. I doubt Penix or Nix are RD 1 guys..
I have to assume at least Nix and Penix aren't in that list. It could also mean they don't have JJM in there also. Pretty telling to say that this close to the draft.
For some people here the Giants may have Maye as their #1 prospect in this draft.. Just because Williams goes #1, doesn't mean the Giants don't have higher hopes and expectations for Maye..
This draft is really deep into about the 4th... the talent is really good before that especially in the 2nd and late 3rd where good WRs and DT can be had.
I think he has been pretty straight forward most of the off season.
I would think the opposite. Trade up. Limited supply.
For some people here the Giants may have Maye as their #1 prospect in this draft.. Just because Williams goes #1, doesn't mean the Giants don't have higher hopes and expectations for Maye..
Drake Maye is my #1 QB and #1 rated player.
My Top 6 QBs
Maye
Williams
JJ
Jayden
Nix
Penix
My Top 5 Overall
Maye
MHJr
Williams
Nabers
Odunze
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I would think its a trade back after seeing these comments.
I would think the opposite. Trade up. Limited supply.
that doesn't make much sense...they already have the 6th overall pick so they will get a player with a 1st round grade.
I agree this comment suggests maybe he is interested in potentially getting 2 of the 1st round graded players.
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that only 15 have first round grades then overall this draft isn't as deep (something I have heard elsewhere), then I have no issue giving up 1, 2 and 1 next year as long as we get our guy..
For some people here the Giants may have Maye as their #1 prospect in this draft.. Just because Williams goes #1, doesn't mean the Giants don't have higher hopes and expectations for Maye..
Drake Maye is my #1 QB and #1 rated player.
My Top 6 QBs
Maye
Williams
JJ
Jayden
Nix
Penix
My Top 5 Overall
Maye
MHJr
Williams
Nabers
Odunze
I am on board with this as well. Maye has been my guy all along, not changing that opinion now.
+1. If we hold a premium pick then we need to come away with a premium player. Therefore trading back would need to come with a very high return imo with a limit to how far down they would go.
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that only 15 have first round grades then overall this draft isn't as deep (something I have heard elsewhere), then I have no issue giving up 1, 2 and 1 next year as long as we get our guy..
For some people here the Giants may have Maye as their #1 prospect in this draft.. Just because Williams goes #1, doesn't mean the Giants don't have higher hopes and expectations for Maye..
Drake Maye is my #1 QB and #1 rated player.
My Top 6 QBs
Maye
Williams
JJ
Jayden
Nix
Penix
My Top 5 Overall
Maye
MHJr
Williams
Nabers
Odunze
I am on board with this as well. Maye has been my guy all along, not changing that opinion now.
Yessir! Same here. Maye has been my guy since I saw him play Appalachian State in 2022. Then I saw him put up nearly 350 total yards and 5 TDs against Notre Dame as a redshirt Freshman. I was on the phone with 2 people I work with like we have to set up an autograph signing for this dude he's the real deal.
So they could do a trade back with MN but understanding there is a good chance the pick at 23 may not be graded a 1st round player to NYG.
That was my first thought. Mara basically told you outright that he's aware of what goes on here with the clown show comment, now this quote by Schoen. Are they directly calling out our beloved Asshats?
Yes, it is.
they have visited 9 players i think in the general top 10 discussion, so i think it is relatively safe to assume they make up the majority of those 15.
there are a few others who may be in that top 15 who came in on locals and medical checks too (kool-aid, newton, chop).
if they move down I dont see the giants trading down farther than 10 or 11.
I'd applaud this approach. I'm open to multiple variables as long as they address QB.
they have visited 9 players i think in the general top 10 discussion, so i think it is relatively safe to assume they make up the majority of those 15.
there are a few others who may be in that top 15 who came in on locals and medical checks too (kool-aid, newton, chop).
if they move down I dont see the giants trading down farther than 10 or 11.
Need to assume that Bowers is one of the top 15 as well, and he hasn't visited. If you do the visits plus Caleb and Bowers, that's a reasonable top 15.
Also interesting that he says that he'd have Banks ahead of this corner group. That suggests that they're not that high on Quinyon Mitchell...
Arnold is a little more choose your flavor. He faced better comp in the SEC and displayed better ball skills. is probably a better fit as a hybrid/slot type. Banks is more explosive (literally best tester at CB in modern era) but Arnold also an excellent athlete.
I'd applaud this approach. I'm open to multiple variables as long as they address QB.
If Nix is there after Denver, I think the Giants move up. I'd be thrilled.
There are only 15 players worthy of a first-round selection.
Why would Schoen offer his unsolicited information?
The whole article is full of messages.
He will not be ready to discuss trades until tomorrow. And he has numerous alternatives. He will not be boxed in and will keep all options on the table.
Joe is creating leverage in subtle ways.
How can the HC, who actually coaches and develops the team, not be in on this? If true, it's a preposterous approach.
Only 15 players with first grades is very surprising to me, especially with this caliber of WRs. I need to cross-check that with Sy's analysis.
How can the HC, who actually coaches and develops the team, not be in on this? If true, it's a preposterous approach.
Only 15 players with first grades is very surprising to me, especially with this caliber of WRs. I need to cross-check that with Sy's analysis.
Dabs 100% knows what they are doing, or I should say he 100% knows who they want. "what they are doing" is highly dependent on how things break based on teams in front of and around them so technically joe doesnt know what they are doing either even if he has a best guess.
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right now nobody except chi/was know what is going to happen.
even if NE/ARI thinks they know what they are doing at #3/4, what happens if minnesota calls them and offers #11 and JJ, first one to say yes gets him?
Dabs 100% knows what they are doing, or I should say he 100% knows who they want. "what they are doing" is highly dependent on how things break based on teams in front of and around them so technically joe doesnt know what they are doing either even if he has a best guess.
He definitely should. That just struck me as very odd why Schoen even said that (granted, I'm applying my tone to it).
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Dabs 100% knows what they are doing, or I should say he 100% knows who they want. "what they are doing" is highly dependent on how things break based on teams in front of and around them so technically joe doesnt know what they are doing either even if he has a best guess.
He definitely should. That just struck me as very odd why Schoen even said that (granted, I'm applying my tone to it).
i think he's projecting data security. anyone thinks they know what the nyg are doing they dont.
i dont think hes being entirely truthful, i think he's parsing words. like i said nobody knows whats going to happen (him included) but other people know what their draft board looks like and which of the 15 first rounders they rank where.
the question is what they are going to decide in whatever currently unknown permutation ends up happening?
again remember the video of him/dabs debating hyatt/jms in real time. didnt seem to me like that outcome was something they knew ahead of time, it was a call they made together as the board broke.
Totally forgot about that: "the people's head coach"!