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| Rickey thoughts 💠. It's all speculation until tomorrow but Giants making an offer for Aiyuk signals to me that Schoen thinks he may be able to get his QB in the draft. It follows the Buffalo playbook when Bills traded for a veteran Diggs to help a young Josh Allen. |
Signals a compete for today, while building out for the future (understanding that the QB probably won’t play this year. At least Maye wouldn’t)
In this scenario it would be JJM.. I am not sold Minnesota comes up here , they could stay at 11 and take Penix or Nix..
I’d rather draft my new offensive core tomorrow and Friday and let them develop together.
McCarthy+ 2nd or 3rd round RB + 2nd or 3rd round WR
but they are just below that and still ascending with their primes ahead of them. to get either for a non-first round pick would be a coup no matter what their contract is.
aiyuk is a stud who creates game changing plays and with very few weaknesses.
As with most QB prospects, the idea is they have the traits needed to evolve their game at the next level. Lots of past QB prospects have been good or worse, let alone great, as prospects and end up being great. Conversely lots of great QB prospects have been shit in the NFL.
i honestly have no idea.
he had 1350 yards last year on 18 ypc. it is 50/50 whoever the best WR is left at #6 does that even once over their rookie deal. jamarr chase has only done it once.
Why? Essentially Aiyuk's deal would be replacing DJs contract.
If we got JJM for pick 6 or maybe a bit more, then I'd say build more naturally and the 2025 1st could turn into McMillan.
If we're not taking big swings, what are we doing? Great teams take big swings, and if they miss occasionally, they keep swinging.
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than trade for Aiyuk and then paying him $25-30mil+/yr. Too pricey. Hard pass.
Why? Essentially Aiyuk's deal would be replacing DJs contract.
waller's contract going away half pays for aiyuk. all the other skill players on the offense are cheap.
throw in slayton and you have paid down almost $20m of aiyuk with waller/slayton before you even save the $20m+ next year moving on from jones.
Totally agree.
If we get a QB/WR in any combo, it would be exciting, whether that's Nabers/Penix or Maye/Aiyuk or JJM/Aiyuk.
He’s not an all-pro wr. He made 2nd team because a handful of WR were hurt or their QB got hurt.
He’s barely a top 20WR. No defensive coordinator is scared of him. You can’t trade and then pay close to $30mil/yr for a player like that. No thanks
but they are just below that and still ascending with their primes ahead of them. to get either for a non-first round pick would be a coup no matter what their contract is.
I disagree to some extent. Aiyuk put it all together last year and was legitimately a top tier WR. Pound-for-pound he's right there with the top guys, he just needs more looks.
2nd in the league in yards per target, and a full 1-2 yards more than any of the other premium pass catchers.
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Against trading for an All-Pro WR that just turned 26 last month?
He’s not an all-pro wr. He made 2nd team because a handful of WR were hurt or their QB got hurt.
He’s barely a top 20WR. No defensive coordinator is scared of him. You can’t trade and then pay close to $30mil/yr for a player like that. No thanks
Name 20 wrs better than Aiyuk. He is a top 12 receiver.
+1. I think people don’t realize how good Aiyuk is. He is absolutely someone worth the Davonta Smith contract and probably a little more.
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Against trading for an All-Pro WR that just turned 26 last month?
He’s not an all-pro wr. He made 2nd team because a handful of WR were hurt or their QB got hurt.
He’s barely a top 20WR. No defensive coordinator is scared of him. You can’t trade and then pay close to $30mil/yr for a player like that. No thanks
He was literally on the All-Pro team. So I'm not sure how you can say he's not an All-Pro.
Obviously, I defer to your expertise, however...
I have a friend who is very familiar with the 49ers thinking. According to him, there are some in the organization who feel in a more traditional offense Aiyuk could be bordering the top tier of receivers in the league.
He says, he has heard nothing that leads him to believe they are in a hurry to trade him.
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got the QB, this would make a really good offseason.... Burns, Aiyuk, and a QB? Sign me up.
+1. I think people don’t realize how good Aiyuk is. He is absolutely someone worth the Davonta Smith contract and probably a little more.
He's absolutely worth more than Devonta. He's a significantly better player than Smith.
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neither is top top tier like bosa, jj, etc.
but they are just below that and still ascending with their primes ahead of them. to get either for a non-first round pick would be a coup no matter what their contract is.
I disagree to some extent. Aiyuk put it all together last year and was legitimately a top tier WR. Pound-for-pound he's right there with the top guys, he just needs more looks.
2nd in the league in yards per target, and a full 1-2 yards more than any of the other premium pass catchers.
i lean more towards agreeing with you than disagreeing, but i do think showing he can handle the kind of volume the top guys get is a box he hasnt checked yet. i dont blame him for not getting volume and i dont mind if he has some statistical regression, but fair or unfair it's just something he hasnt done. i dont have many concerns that he wouldnt produce with more volume. its also possible like tyreek he is just as effective with high volume. its an upside/downside thing.
RB Singletary + Benson (r3) or Estime (r4)
WR Aiyuk
WR Hyatt/Slayton
SWR Wan’Dale
TE Bellinger
LT Thomas
LG Runyan
C Schmitz
RG Eluemunor
RT Neal
Feel like that’s decent group around the young QB - especially having the WR’s, LT, and C in place - and two guards who excel in pass pro.
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neither is top top tier like bosa, jj, etc.
but they are just below that and still ascending with their primes ahead of them. to get either for a non-first round pick would be a coup no matter what their contract is.
I disagree to some extent. Aiyuk put it all together last year and was legitimately a top tier WR. Pound-for-pound he's right there with the top guys, he just needs more looks.
2nd in the league in yards per target, and a full 1-2 yards more than any of the other premium pass catchers.
i lean more towards agreeing with you than disagreeing, but i do think showing he can handle the kind of volume the top guys get is a box he hasnt checked yet. i dont blame him for not getting volume and i dont mind if he has some statistical regression, but fair or unfair it's just something he hasnt done. i dont have many concerns that he wouldnt produce with more volume. its also possible like tyreek he is just as effective with high volume. its an upside/downside thing.
I mean Aiyuk's floor here is a half decent WR1 that we haven't had in like forever. Betting on Daboll he'd exceed that floor.
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neither is top top tier like bosa, jj, etc.
but they are just below that and still ascending with their primes ahead of them. to get either for a non-first round pick would be a coup no matter what their contract is.
I disagree to some extent. Aiyuk put it all together last year and was legitimately a top tier WR. Pound-for-pound he's right there with the top guys, he just needs more looks.
2nd in the league in yards per target, and a full 1-2 yards more than any of the other premium pass catchers.
+1. From this and the initial Aiyuk thread I get the feeling that he's very underrated on BBI. 2nd highest PFF grade amongst WR's last year, 7th in receiving yards with far fewer targets than any of the top 6 (closest is DJ Moore who had 31 more than Aiyuk), #1 in yards per target in the NFL (min. 50 targets), and only 2 drops last year.
Bottomline for me, he was incredibly efficient with his touches. He had 1 fewer 20+ yard plays than Hill who had significantly more touches.
Edge 1, WR1 and QB with franchise grade potential (Maye) in one off-season... Schoen would deserve a monument right outside MetLife. It will probably cost significant portions of draft capital in 2024 and 2025 but it'd be so worth it. 'Scared money don't make money' as they say and all.
If he gets 130 targets and even drops a yard per target he's a 1500 player. He's a big game hunter.
I still think you trade down and get a corner, or get Surtain in the trade down and have to punt on QB this year to make an Aiyuk move.
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got the QB, this would make a really good offseason.... Burns, Aiyuk, and a QB? Sign me up.
Edge 1, WR1 and QB with franchise grade potential (Maye) in one off-season... Schoen would deserve a monument right outside MetLife. It will probably cost significant portions of draft capital in 2024 and 2025 but it'd be so worth it. 'Scared money don't make money' as they say and all.
Is Maye within reach if they are using the #2 on the WR? I'm starting to think it may be McCarthy.
Good not great is a WR2 IMO. Aiyuk with a full load of targets is one of the 10-15 best WRs in the league. Even extending that out to top 20 is much better than Good. 18 yards per catch on 75 receptions is nuts.
Post some evidence that he can’t.
Bottomline for me, he was incredibly efficient with his touches. He had 1 fewer 20+ yard plays than Hill who had significantly more touches.
I agree like I said it’s just something he hasn’t done so if there’s any difference between him and the elite elites that’s it. I have very few doubts he would continue to produce with more volume and put up even better stats. I see upside over what was already a borderline all pro year.
The only doubt is maybe with less talent around him good defenses defend him more successfully with doubles but 20% more target volume will likely lead to more production than any modest efficiency loss.
had 75 catches, 1342 yards and 18 yards a catch.
And he's not top 20?
He seems more like a solid #2 to me.