And JJM at 6. Now that would be winning in my book. Obviously, we'd have to see how JJM and Maye both panned out. I do like JJM more than Maye though. If JJM pans out, the Patriots could make out like bandits!
is doing everything they can to get the Giants to bite. I really don't think NE wants Maye. If they did, they wouldn't be doing what they are doing. I'd call their bluff just like Arizona.
is doing everything they can to get the Giants to bite. I really don't think NE wants Maye. If they did, they wouldn't be doing what they are doing. I'd call their bluff just like Arizona.
If Maye makes it to 5 I'd bet the farm Minnesota would get him. We would have to at least trade up to 4.
is doing everything they can to get the Giants to bite. I really don't think NE wants Maye. If they did, they wouldn't be doing what they are doing. I'd call their bluff just like Arizona.
I agree. If the Patriots really wanted Maye, none of this makes any sense.
is doing everything they can to get the Giants to bite. I really don't think NE wants Maye. If they did, they wouldn't be doing what they are doing. I'd call their bluff just like Arizona.
The rare sensible post.
RE: RE: Everything sounds like NE wants out of 3 and
is doing everything they can to get the Giants to bite. I really don't think NE wants Maye. If they did, they wouldn't be doing what they are doing. I'd call their bluff just like Arizona.
If Maye makes it to 5 I'd bet the farm Minnesota would get him. We would have to at least trade up to 4.
I think LAC wants Alt and I don't see them dropping far either. I'd throw LAC our 3rd and call it a day.
is doing everything they can to get the Giants to bite. I really don't think NE wants Maye. If they did, they wouldn't be doing what they are doing. I'd call their bluff just like Arizona.
If Maye makes it to 5 I'd bet the farm Minnesota would get him. We would have to at least trade up to 4.
I think LAC wants Alt and I don't see them dropping far either. I'd throw LAC our 3rd and call it a day.
That would be amazing. Harbaugh has never traded down in the 1st. Who knows
is wrong. Yes, the Giants were always a better potential trade partner than the Vikings, but the Patriots would still risk losing JJM by trading with us. Asking them to incur that risk will be very costly. As will the fact that they'd be giving up Maye. The Patriots have also said that since Maye would be the #1 QB in every other class, any offer has to reflect that fact. The video confirms that conclusion. Mayo wants the "bag," meaning a historic haul of picks and players. A pick in the teens and a first next year is not enough. Schoen is an idiot if he pays the price the Patriots want. Just take JJM at #6, or maybe #4 after trading with Arizona.
Patriots are not interested in six prospects. That's ridiculous. It's just designed to try and get the Giants to pay the historic haul they want to trade down to #6.
The Patriots want Maye. Mayo praises Maye a lot in that video. No discussion of JJM. But they will "listen" to offers and may give him up for a huge amount of draft capital, and possibly players as well.
Scheiner is saying on Twitter that the Pats absolutely love Maye
Patriots are not interested in six prospects. That's ridiculous. It's just designed to try and get the Giants to pay the historic haul they want to trade down to #6.
The Patriots want Maye. Mayo praises Maye a lot in that video. No discussion of JJM. But they will "listen" to offers and may give him up for a huge amount of draft capital, and possibly players as well.
I don't know. A lot of noise to beg for a trade up if they want Maye. Just take him then. We don't hear Chicago or Washington doing this.
RE: I believe the Pats will stay at 3 an select Maye
I could see Mayo wanting to hold off on QB. It’s a gamble with your very first pick as GM. QB being a bust is way worse than just about any other position. And being that the Patriots have a pretty conservative draft history, I’d wager they trade down.
would a QB desperate team even consider trading away Maye if that team really wanted him?
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
the NE trade stuff has never made sense to me. where they are it would be foolish to pass on whichever of the young qb prospects they like.
if both brian daboll and kevin oconnell are trying to move up for these guys and they arent good enough for your organization, i think you need to re-evaluate your organization.
RE: Scheiner is saying on Twitter that the Pats absolutely love Maye
would a QB desperate team even consider trading away Maye if that team really wanted him?
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
I think it's clear they would prefer a haul for picks and they're hyping Maye up to drive the price up. No team has ever done this when they are enamored with a QB in the top 3. I don't know if Kraft is really banging the table for JJM or not, but it's clear they aren't enamored with Maye.
would a QB desperate team even consider trading away Maye if that team really wanted him?
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
I agree with this. If I pay attention to actions not words, the Pats want picks plus a QB but they’re not set on one. The rest is effort to squeeze out as much as they can from the deal.
would a QB desperate team even consider trading away Maye if that team really wanted him?
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
the NE trade stuff has never made sense to me. where they are it would be foolish to pass on whichever of the young qb prospects they like.
if both brian daboll and kevin oconnell are trying to move up for these guys and they arent good enough for your organization, i think you need to re-evaluate your organization.
would a QB desperate team even consider trading away Maye if that team really wanted him?
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
the NE trade stuff has never made sense to me. where they are it would be foolish to pass on whichever of the young qb prospects they like.
if both brian daboll and kevin oconnell are trying to move up for these guys and they arent good enough for your organization, i think you need to re-evaluate your organization.
They have a first time, defensive-minded head coach and an interim GM. Plus, their owner is supposedly enamored with JJM while the front office wants a haul of picks (and maybe JJM, Nix or Penix). It makes sense to me. Plus, Maye has a lot of bust potential too. They aren't trading with Andrew Luck there or anything.
would a QB desperate team even consider trading away Maye if that team really wanted him?
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
the NE trade stuff has never made sense to me. where they are it would be foolish to pass on whichever of the young qb prospects they like.
if both brian daboll and kevin oconnell are trying to move up for these guys and they arent good enough for your organization, i think you need to re-evaluate your organization.
Eric, fantastic point about both Daboll AND O'Connell... I had not thought of that.
think they still want Maye, but whether they do or don't is irrelevant. All that matters is that they want a historic haul, a "bag" of picks and players to move out of #3.
Take JJM at #6 or #4 after trading up with Arizona, or trade down, get extra picks, and take Nix, or even Penix.
Waiting is good for New England. Driving the price up.
If NE was simply going to do what Chicago and Washington are going to do —sit there and draft their guy— they would be acting in the same way. The fact that NE is doing everything different tells you they have different motivation.
think they still want Maye, but whether they do or don't is irrelevant. All that matters is that they want a historic haul, a "bag" of picks and players to move out of #3.
Take JJM at #6 or #4 after trading up with Arizona, or trade down, get extra picks, and take Nix, or even Penix.
I've always said the best move was to just take JJM or Maye at 4 with a reasonable trade up cost. Starting to feel like we might be paying a king's ransom for Maye. Risky business.
think they still want Maye, but whether they do or don't is irrelevant. All that matters is that they want a historic haul, a "bag" of picks and players to move out of #3.
Take JJM at #6 or #4 after trading up with Arizona, or trade down, get extra picks, and take Nix, or even Penix.
think they still want Maye, but whether they do or don't is irrelevant. All that matters is that they want a historic haul, a "bag" of picks and players to move out of #3.
Take JJM at #6 or #4 after trading up with Arizona, or trade down, get extra picks, and take Nix, or even Penix.
If they so trade the bag for Maye, then it tells me they have him graded way higher than JJM to justify the cost.
Waiting is good for New England. Driving the price up.
But are they? This seems pretty transparent.
It doesn't matter if it's transparent. In fact, public speculation might help raise the price. You have two teams that are desperate for a QB. At #3 they get their choice of Maye and JJM. These are very different prospects, though both are developmental. Draft night is going to come and there is a good chance these respective front offices are going to feel the heat. and I bet one of theme caves to a pretty stiff price.
Waiting is good for New England. Driving the price up.
But are they? This seems pretty transparent.
It doesn't matter if it's transparent. In fact, public speculation might help raise the price. You have two teams that are desperate for a QB. At #3 they get their choice of Maye and JJM. These are very different prospects, though both are developmental. Draft night is going to come and there is a good chance these respective front offices are going to feel the heat. and I bet one of theme caves to a pretty stiff price.
I'm guessing they really aren't enamored with Maye and know they want to trade down and know they want to do it with us, but they are milking every last drop they can like the bloodthirsty cheating franchise they are.
think they still want Maye, but whether they do or don't is irrelevant. All that matters is that they want a historic haul, a "bag" of picks and players to move out of #3.
Take JJM at #6 or #4 after trading up with Arizona, or trade down, get extra picks, and take Nix, or even Penix.
Doesn't make sense.
Sure it does. They want Maye, but are "willing" to part with him for a historic haul of picks and maybe players. They may have decided that Nix or Penix plus all the picks and players they get from the Giants is greater than Maye. Just because you have something, doesn't mean that it isn't for sale for the right price. NE likely wouldn't be taking that position if they could take Williams or Daniels. But Maye is slightly less valuable so he's "available" for the right price. The problem is that by trading with us they would also risk losing JJM, which just increases the price.
think they still want Maye, but whether they do or don't is irrelevant. All that matters is that they want a historic haul, a "bag" of picks and players to move out of #3.
Take JJM at #6 or #4 after trading up with Arizona, or trade down, get extra picks, and take Nix, or even Penix.
Doesn't make sense.
Sure it does. They want Maye, but are "willing" to part with him for a historic haul of picks and maybe players. They may have decided that Nix or Penix plus all the picks and players they get from the Giants is greater than Maye. Just because you have something, doesn't mean that it isn't for sale for the right price. NE likely wouldn't be taking that position if they could take Williams or Daniels. But Maye is slightly less valuable so he's "available" for the right price. The problem is that by trading with us they would also risk losing JJM, which just increases the price.
Funny thing is I think they could likely get JJM at 6 after trading down with us if Sky King's viking HQ friend is truthful about them going 1. Maye 2. Penix with no JJM interest.
It seems extremely strange for a QB desperate team to pass on their highest rated QB in the draft, regardless of what they could get in a trade down.
QB is one position you don't fuck around with.
if they were going to pass on qb, why only sign brissett?
why not throwaway a 6th on fields to at least try someone better?
jimmy g took a backup job, why not sign him?
when free agency began 6 weeks ago they already knew who the QBs were and met with them. if brissett is all they did knowing they may pass on a qb...wow.
It seems extremely strange for a QB desperate team to pass on their highest rated QB in the draft, regardless of what they could get in a trade down.
QB is one position you don't fuck around with.
if they were going to pass on qb, why only sign brissett?
why not throwaway a 6th on fields to at least try someone better?
jimmy g took a backup job, why not sign him?
when free agency began 6 weeks ago they already knew who the QBs were and met with them. if brissett is all they did knowing they may pass on a qb...wow.
Kraft becoming enamored with JJM changed all that? Now the front office is trying to get extra picks and Kraft's guy? Or maybe they always had JJM rated a notch above Maye just like Sy and others do. I know some would say you don't risk getting your QB, but if we could trade up with AZ for a QB they can too. They could get their QB of choice plus our 2025 1st.
To give a kings ransom. If not they are taking a QB. I believe they think the Giants will crack, they still get their QB at 6 and the picks. If they don’t want Maye then they should take JJ at 3.
To give a kings ransom. If not they are taking a QB. I believe they think the Giants will crack, they still get their QB at 6 and the picks. If they don’t want Maye then they should take JJ at 3.
The cost is too high for a team with many holes.
Seems like Schoen is either calling their bluff or is happy with either JJM or Maye at 4 because Rico says we have some kind of a deal in place with AZ.
I hope saying this makes it so it won't be true.
If Maye makes it to 5 I'd bet the farm Minnesota would get him. We would have to at least trade up to 4.
I agree. If the Patriots really wanted Maye, none of this makes any sense.
The rare sensible post.
Quote:
is doing everything they can to get the Giants to bite. I really don't think NE wants Maye. If they did, they wouldn't be doing what they are doing. I'd call their bluff just like Arizona.
If Maye makes it to 5 I'd bet the farm Minnesota would get him. We would have to at least trade up to 4.
I think LAC wants Alt and I don't see them dropping far either. I'd throw LAC our 3rd and call it a day.
And then the issue becomes:
Maye or
McCarthy/Aiyuk
I have a feeling the Pats want 47 and Schoen is hesitant to trade out of the 2nd this year AND first and third next year.
Quote:
In comment 16484800 robbieballs2003 said:
Quote:
is doing everything they can to get the Giants to bite. I really don't think NE wants Maye. If they did, they wouldn't be doing what they are doing. I'd call their bluff just like Arizona.
If Maye makes it to 5 I'd bet the farm Minnesota would get him. We would have to at least trade up to 4.
I think LAC wants Alt and I don't see them dropping far either. I'd throw LAC our 3rd and call it a day.
That would be amazing. Harbaugh has never traded down in the 1st. Who knows
The Patriots want Maye. Mayo praises Maye a lot in that video. No discussion of JJM. But they will "listen" to offers and may give him up for a huge amount of draft capital, and possibly players as well.
Then they have a weird way of showing, unless they are afraid of the Commanders.
The Patriots want Maye. Mayo praises Maye a lot in that video. No discussion of JJM. But they will "listen" to offers and may give him up for a huge amount of draft capital, and possibly players as well.
I don't know. A lot of noise to beg for a trade up if they want Maye. Just take him then. We don't hear Chicago or Washington doing this.
^This.
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
Of course he's certain they love Maye. Just like Mayo hyped him up in the clip. They are clearly driving the price up.
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
Yep. You wouldn't hear all this noise. I think it's most likely they don't have consensus which is a reasonable opinion. Maye is polarizing.
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
the NE trade stuff has never made sense to me. where they are it would be foolish to pass on whichever of the young qb prospects they like.
if both brian daboll and kevin oconnell are trying to move up for these guys and they arent good enough for your organization, i think you need to re-evaluate your organization.
I like Dan, but that's his opinion. That's not based on any info or facts.
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
I think it's clear they would prefer a haul for picks and they're hyping Maye up to drive the price up. No team has ever done this when they are enamored with a QB in the top 3. I don't know if Kraft is really banging the table for JJM or not, but it's clear they aren't enamored with Maye.
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
I agree with this. If I pay attention to actions not words, the Pats want picks plus a QB but they’re not set on one. The rest is effort to squeeze out as much as they can from the deal.
Quote:
would a QB desperate team even consider trading away Maye if that team really wanted him?
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
the NE trade stuff has never made sense to me. where they are it would be foolish to pass on whichever of the young qb prospects they like.
if both brian daboll and kevin oconnell are trying to move up for these guys and they arent good enough for your organization, i think you need to re-evaluate your organization.
They could just like another player more.
Quote:
would a QB desperate team even consider trading away Maye if that team really wanted him?
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
the NE trade stuff has never made sense to me. where they are it would be foolish to pass on whichever of the young qb prospects they like.
if both brian daboll and kevin oconnell are trying to move up for these guys and they arent good enough for your organization, i think you need to re-evaluate your organization.
They have a first time, defensive-minded head coach and an interim GM. Plus, their owner is supposedly enamored with JJM while the front office wants a haul of picks (and maybe JJM, Nix or Penix). It makes sense to me. Plus, Maye has a lot of bust potential too. They aren't trading with Andrew Luck there or anything.
Quote:
would a QB desperate team even consider trading away Maye if that team really wanted him?
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
the NE trade stuff has never made sense to me. where they are it would be foolish to pass on whichever of the young qb prospects they like.
if both brian daboll and kevin oconnell are trying to move up for these guys and they arent good enough for your organization, i think you need to re-evaluate your organization.
Eric, fantastic point about both Daboll AND O'Connell... I had not thought of that.
Quote:
would a QB desperate team even consider trading away Maye if that team really wanted him?
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
the NE trade stuff has never made sense to me. where they are it would be foolish to pass on whichever of the young qb prospects they like.
Because that young QB is Jayden Daniels, and he won’t be there for them.
Waiting is good for New England. Driving the price up.
Quote:
In comment 16484853 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
would a QB desperate team even consider trading away Maye if that team really wanted him?
Doesn't make sense to me.
What's the point of all of this?
the NE trade stuff has never made sense to me. where they are it would be foolish to pass on whichever of the young qb prospects they like.
Because that young QB is Jayden Daniels, and he won’t be there for them.
That win against the Broncos really bit them in the arse. Belichek's parting gift to Kraft.
Quote:
Putting on a show like this?
Waiting is good for New England. Driving the price up.
But are they? This seems pretty transparent.
Take JJM at #6 or #4 after trading up with Arizona, or trade down, get extra picks, and take Nix, or even Penix.
Quote:
Putting on a show like this?
Waiting is good for New England. Driving the price up.
If NE was simply going to do what Chicago and Washington are going to do —sit there and draft their guy— they would be acting in the same way. The fact that NE is doing everything different tells you they have different motivation.
Take JJM at #6 or #4 after trading up with Arizona, or trade down, get extra picks, and take Nix, or even Penix.
I've always said the best move was to just take JJM or Maye at 4 with a reasonable trade up cost. Starting to feel like we might be paying a king's ransom for Maye. Risky business.
Take JJM at #6 or #4 after trading up with Arizona, or trade down, get extra picks, and take Nix, or even Penix.
Doesn't make sense.
Take JJM at #6 or #4 after trading up with Arizona, or trade down, get extra picks, and take Nix, or even Penix.
If they so trade the bag for Maye, then it tells me they have him graded way higher than JJM to justify the cost.
Quote:
In comment 16484868 UberAlias said:
Quote:
Putting on a show like this?
Waiting is good for New England. Driving the price up.
But are they? This seems pretty transparent.
It doesn't matter if it's transparent. In fact, public speculation might help raise the price. You have two teams that are desperate for a QB. At #3 they get their choice of Maye and JJM. These are very different prospects, though both are developmental. Draft night is going to come and there is a good chance these respective front offices are going to feel the heat. and I bet one of theme caves to a pretty stiff price.
Quote:
In comment 16484877 Darwinian said:
Quote:
In comment 16484868 UberAlias said:
Quote:
Putting on a show like this?
Waiting is good for New England. Driving the price up.
But are they? This seems pretty transparent.
It doesn't matter if it's transparent. In fact, public speculation might help raise the price. You have two teams that are desperate for a QB. At #3 they get their choice of Maye and JJM. These are very different prospects, though both are developmental. Draft night is going to come and there is a good chance these respective front offices are going to feel the heat. and I bet one of theme caves to a pretty stiff price.
I'm guessing they really aren't enamored with Maye and know they want to trade down and know they want to do it with us, but they are milking every last drop they can like the bloodthirsty cheating franchise they are.
Quote:
think they still want Maye, but whether they do or don't is irrelevant. All that matters is that they want a historic haul, a "bag" of picks and players to move out of #3.
Take JJM at #6 or #4 after trading up with Arizona, or trade down, get extra picks, and take Nix, or even Penix.
Doesn't make sense.
Sure it does. They want Maye, but are "willing" to part with him for a historic haul of picks and maybe players. They may have decided that Nix or Penix plus all the picks and players they get from the Giants is greater than Maye. Just because you have something, doesn't mean that it isn't for sale for the right price. NE likely wouldn't be taking that position if they could take Williams or Daniels. But Maye is slightly less valuable so he's "available" for the right price. The problem is that by trading with us they would also risk losing JJM, which just increases the price.
if you need a QB and one you love is going to be available at your pick, you don't go out of your way to say that you're open for business.
QB is one position you don't fuck around with.
Quote:
In comment 16484885 AcidTest said:
Quote:
think they still want Maye, but whether they do or don't is irrelevant. All that matters is that they want a historic haul, a "bag" of picks and players to move out of #3.
Take JJM at #6 or #4 after trading up with Arizona, or trade down, get extra picks, and take Nix, or even Penix.
Doesn't make sense.
Sure it does. They want Maye, but are "willing" to part with him for a historic haul of picks and maybe players. They may have decided that Nix or Penix plus all the picks and players they get from the Giants is greater than Maye. Just because you have something, doesn't mean that it isn't for sale for the right price. NE likely wouldn't be taking that position if they could take Williams or Daniels. But Maye is slightly less valuable so he's "available" for the right price. The problem is that by trading with us they would also risk losing JJM, which just increases the price.
Funny thing is I think they could likely get JJM at 6 after trading down with us if Sky King's viking HQ friend is truthful about them going 1. Maye 2. Penix with no JJM interest.
Especially if you’re a first time GM who doesn’t even have an actual GM title yet.
QB is one position you don't fuck around with.
if they were going to pass on qb, why only sign brissett?
why not throwaway a 6th on fields to at least try someone better?
jimmy g took a backup job, why not sign him?
when free agency began 6 weeks ago they already knew who the QBs were and met with them. if brissett is all they did knowing they may pass on a qb...wow.
Quote:
It seems extremely strange for a QB desperate team to pass on their highest rated QB in the draft, regardless of what they could get in a trade down.
QB is one position you don't fuck around with.
if they were going to pass on qb, why only sign brissett?
why not throwaway a 6th on fields to at least try someone better?
jimmy g took a backup job, why not sign him?
when free agency began 6 weeks ago they already knew who the QBs were and met with them. if brissett is all they did knowing they may pass on a qb...wow.
Kraft becoming enamored with JJM changed all that? Now the front office is trying to get extra picks and Kraft's guy? Or maybe they always had JJM rated a notch above Maye just like Sy and others do. I know some would say you don't risk getting your QB, but if we could trade up with AZ for a QB they can too. They could get their QB of choice plus our 2025 1st.
QB is one position you don't fuck around with.
It’s pretty clear they either a) don’t like Maye, or b) don’t see JJM or another QB as a steep drop off from Maye.
The cost is too high for a team with many holes.
The cost is too high for a team with many holes.
Seems like Schoen is either calling their bluff or is happy with either JJM or Maye at 4 because Rico says we have some kind of a deal in place with AZ.
QB is one position you don't fuck around with.
Unless they a) don't like the likely QB options and b) have judged their current roster incapable of developing a QB until they get more talent.