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NFT: Shogun - worth watching?

EdS56 : 4/24/2024 10:18 pm
So many streaming options before the draft.
Is this as good as the hype? Thanks!
It’s excellent  
UConn4523 : 4/24/2024 10:18 pm : link
About to watch the finale
Great show  
Optimus-NY : 4/24/2024 10:19 pm : link
HIGHLY recommended.
Loved the show.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/24/2024 10:20 pm : link
Didn’t like the finale.
Ok I’ll give it a whirl  
EdS56 : 4/24/2024 10:24 pm : link
Need to finally watch this Dune thing too
RE: Loved the show.  
Spider43 : 4/24/2024 10:25 pm : link
In comment 16485026 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Didn’t like the finale.


Kinda' feel the same. There's lots of nuance to it though. Very low-key ending to the 'grandness' of the rest of the series. Supposedly this one season was meant to stand on its own... but I guess they're leaving things open for a season two. We shall see.
RE: Loved the show.  
Optimus-NY : 4/24/2024 10:34 pm : link
In comment 16485026 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Didn’t like the finale.


You have a point.
RE: RE: Loved the show.  
Roto_Wizard : 4/24/2024 10:37 pm : link
In comment 16485041 Spider43 said:
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Didn’t like the finale.



Kinda' feel the same. There's lots of nuance to it though. Very low-key ending to the 'grandness' of the rest of the series. Supposedly this one season was meant to stand on its own... but I guess they're leaving things open for a season two. We shall see.


I could be wrong, but where they left off was the end of the novel. So unless they planned on coming up with some sort of new content that isn't canon, not sure how they'd do that.
Fantastic show, only one season  
widmerseyebrow : 4/24/2024 10:45 pm : link
since that's the end of Clavell's book.
anyone have any other good shows lately?  
Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 10:50 pm : link
seems like slim pickings in the last several months (writers strike time delay?).
RE: RE: RE: Loved the show.  
81_Great_Dane : 4/24/2024 11:18 pm : link
In comment 16485073 Roto_Wizard said:
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Didn’t like the finale.



Kinda' feel the same. There's lots of nuance to it though. Very low-key ending to the 'grandness' of the rest of the series. Supposedly this one season was meant to stand on its own... but I guess they're leaving things open for a season two. We shall see.



I could be wrong, but where they left off was the end of the novel. So unless they planned on coming up with some sort of new content that isn't canon, not sure how they'd do that.
Correct. The series ends where the book ends.

I loved this series but it definitely is a bit confounding over the last two episodes. That’s sort of the point. Can’t say more without spoilers.
RE: anyone have any other good shows lately?  
UConn4523 : 4/24/2024 11:20 pm : link
In comment 16485104 Eric on Li said:
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seems like slim pickings in the last several months (writers strike time delay?).


Under the Bridge has been good so far (Hulu).
Shogun sucked  
Ceez2.0 : 4/24/2024 11:21 pm : link
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It was great. Definitely recommended.  
Jan in DC : 4/24/2024 11:36 pm : link
I also really enjoyed the Fallout show, though it's a totally different gear than Shogun.
Excellent All the Way Around  
clatterbuck : 4/25/2024 12:16 am : link
Suggest watching the version in Japanese with subtitles instead of dubbed.
I loved it  
allstarjim : 4/25/2024 12:18 am : link
I can totally get wanting more from the finale, but if you're like me, you cringe at the barrage of unoriginality and poor story-telling coming from the studios, and here we have something that went a different direction than what the viewer was expecting to see in a series finale, and it was thought-provoking and fitting for the actual story, which might have been a different story than the viewer assumed they were watching. I thought it was brilliant, the character development and acting was incredible. The actor portrayals added so much to the story-telling with just so many subtleties.

I would love to see another show that goes into the stories following the rise of the real life Tokugawa dynasty.
RE: I loved it  
widmerseyebrow : 4/25/2024 12:20 am : link
In comment 16485171 allstarjim said:
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I can totally get wanting more from the finale, but if you're like me, you cringe at the barrage of unoriginality and poor story-telling coming from the studios, and here we have something that went a different direction than what the viewer was expecting to see in a series finale, and it was thought-provoking and fitting for the actual story, which might have been a different story than the viewer assumed they were watching. I thought it was brilliant, the character development and acting was incredible. The actor portrayals added so much to the story-telling with just so many subtleties.

I would love to see another show that goes into the stories following the rise of the real life Tokugawa dynasty.


I think an adaption of Yoshikawa's Musashi with the same production would be incredible.
RE: Excellent All the Way Around  
allstarjim : 4/25/2024 12:21 am : link
In comment 16485168 clatterbuck said:
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Suggest watching the version in Japanese with subtitles instead of dubbed.


To be clear, we are not talking about the 80's TV miniseries Shogun, but the remake on FX/Hulu. Apologies if you were simply engaging in some smart-assery for yucks.
RE: RE: I loved it  
allstarjim : 4/25/2024 12:23 am : link
In comment 16485172 widmerseyebrow said:
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I can totally get wanting more from the finale, but if you're like me, you cringe at the barrage of unoriginality and poor story-telling coming from the studios, and here we have something that went a different direction than what the viewer was expecting to see in a series finale, and it was thought-provoking and fitting for the actual story, which might have been a different story than the viewer assumed they were watching. I thought it was brilliant, the character development and acting was incredible. The actor portrayals added so much to the story-telling with just so many subtleties.

I would love to see another show that goes into the stories following the rise of the real life Tokugawa dynasty.



I think an adaption of Yoshikawa's Musashi with the same production would be incredible.


Sign me up.
Beautiful show  
cosmicj : 4/25/2024 12:52 am : link
The end of episode 9 was amazing and heart wrenching, those kimonos!
RE: Great show  
Giants1056 : 4/25/2024 1:02 am : link
In comment 16485023 Optimus-NY said:
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HIGHLY recommended.
More than + 1. The producers did a terrific job. Commenting any more would spoil.

Great to watch waiting for draft day!
RE: Beautiful show  
Giants1056 : 4/25/2024 1:08 am : link
In comment 16485183 cosmicj said:
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The end of episode 9 was amazing and heart wrenching, those kimonos!


The symbolism and craftsmanship nearly had me crying like a little girl.

Course I didn’t. But I am glad that someone else saw what I saw.
Its.....  
OBJRoyal : 4/25/2024 4:02 am : link
Outstanding. very well done
Shogun  
Cheech d : 4/25/2024 6:55 am : link
It was good not great for me.
I was a huge fan of the original series with Chamberlain.
There were good episodes but the finale was bland. I was expecting an epic episode 10 after a great episode 9.
I’m not sorry I watched it but it left me wanting.
It was excellent  
Tony in Tampa : 4/25/2024 7:06 am : link
Smart and quiet complexity. After ep 2 I started watching the eps first in Japanese and then rewatching them the next day dubbed.

Had a few issues with the finale but won't let them take away from a great series.
RE: RE: anyone have any other good shows lately?  
Bubba : 4/25/2024 7:19 am : link
In comment 16485141 UConn4523 said:
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seems like slim pickings in the last several months (writers strike time delay?).



Under the Bridge has been good so far (Hulu).


Enjoyed The Gentleman on Netflix
Those who criticize the finale need to understand…  
Roto_Wizard : 4/25/2024 7:31 am : link
That the episode mirrors the era and location that it was covering - feudal Japan. This was a point in time where declarations of war took an eternity, diplomacy was central and most things (akin to the culture) are subtle.

Those expecting a show that had an hour and a half long battle, I’m not sure what else to tell you. That wasn’t the point of the show, nor focus. It was more based upon character development and intrigue than over the top CGI massacres.

It’s a different culture.
Does anyone like ANY  
Kevin_in_Pgh : 4/25/2024 7:33 am : link
season finale? It seems like they are a no-win proposition for the most part.
RE: Loved the show.  
Simms11 : 4/25/2024 7:48 am : link
In comment 16485026 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Didn’t like the finale.


Feel same way. Left you wanting.
A good series  
upnyg : 4/25/2024 8:03 am : link
Better than I anticipated
It was really well done  
Mattman : 4/25/2024 8:09 am : link
With a series like that I am always left wanting more just because is was so good.
Excellent as many others have said  
ATL_Giants : 4/25/2024 8:13 am : link
I watched it with English subtitles so I could watch it with a native Japanese speaker. Not surprisingly, some of the dialog meaning changes with the translation.
One of the themes is the contrast between Japanese and Western cultures (which is pretty obvious and pronounced), but there is a lot of political maneuvering too and I missed some of the motives because of the subtleness of dialog, and translation.

Enjoy it! It's very well done, brilliant costumes and sets.
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Japanese actor Hiroyuki Sanada not only stars as Lord Yoshii Toranaga in the FX epic series "Shogun," he ensured authenticity as first-time producer.
RE: Shogun sucked  
Sec 103 : 4/25/2024 8:36 am : link
In comment 16485142 Ceez2.0 said:
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I wouldn't say sucked, but the original was way better!
The original and the book were much better.  
NBGblue : 4/25/2024 9:09 am : link
Also, they went out of their way to give the female characters a bigger role (which kinda of kills the historical accuracy).
Book is outstanding  
give66 : 4/25/2024 9:50 am : link
Cliche but read the book it's so much better.
I haven’t read the book, but I thought this  
Section331 : 4/25/2024 10:57 am : link
version was far better than the Richard Chamberlain version years ago. I really enjoyed it, Anna Sawai was fantastic.
RE: RE: Excellent All the Way Around  
Section331 : 4/25/2024 10:59 am : link
In comment 16485173 allstarjim said:
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Suggest watching the version in Japanese with subtitles instead of dubbed.



To be clear, we are not talking about the 80's TV miniseries Shogun, but the remake on FX/Hulu. Apologies if you were simply engaging in some smart-assery for yucks.


Hulu gives you the option to watch with subtitles or dubbed into English. Both options were for the current version of the show.
Never go dubbed  
UConn4523 : 4/25/2024 11:04 am : link
it’s almost always awful
Looking forward to it  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 4/25/2024 11:44 am : link
I'm looking forward to it, but haven't watched yet. I'm worried that I will have the same reaction I had to the book, and these comments are reinforcing that. I loved about 99% of the book, got to the end and was like "are you effing kidding me?"

Curious to see how I'll like it knowing what the ending is, but hoping it plays out better on the screen than it did on the page. For me, at least.
RE: Those who criticize the finale need to understand…  
Tony in Tampa : 4/25/2024 12:30 pm : link
In comment 16485264 Roto_Wizard said:
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That the episode mirrors the era and location that it was covering - feudal Japan. This was a point in time where declarations of war took an eternity, diplomacy was central and most things (akin to the culture) are subtle.

Those expecting a show that had an hour and a half long battle, I’m not sure what else to tell you. That wasn’t the point of the show, nor focus. It was more based upon character development and intrigue than over the top CGI massacres.

It’s a different culture.

I had no issue with no ending battle. I expected that. The show is more cerebral and much of the combat is with words and discussion and tactics.
I had an issue with the Anjin dreaming, not a flashback to the past but look forward to a fearful future. Can't get into it without spoilers but I thought that was poorly handled and even a 1st year film student could have expressed that much better. That to me was a large miss and unexpected for this Shogun writing team. But by comparison it's minor compared to their great work.
RE: RE: Those who criticize the finale need to understand…  
HomerJones45 : 4/25/2024 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16486032 Tony in Tampa said:
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That the episode mirrors the era and location that it was covering - feudal Japan. This was a point in time where declarations of war took an eternity, diplomacy was central and most things (akin to the culture) are subtle.

Those expecting a show that had an hour and a half long battle, I’m not sure what else to tell you. That wasn’t the point of the show, nor focus. It was more based upon character development and intrigue than over the top CGI massacres.

It’s a different culture.


I had no issue with no ending battle. I expected that. The show is more cerebral and much of the combat is with words and discussion and tactics.
I had an issue with the Anjin dreaming, not a flashback to the past but look forward to a fearful future. Can't get into it without spoilers but I thought that was poorly handled and even a 1st year film student could have expressed that much better. That to me was a large miss and unexpected for this Shogun writing team. But by comparison it's minor compared to their great work.
Thought they needed one more episode. There was too much crammed into the finale and it felt rushed. Sanada was terrific. I didn't think anyone could compete with the great Toshiro Mifune, but Sanada did.
RE: RE: I loved it  
Jerry in_DC : 4/25/2024 1:28 pm : link
In comment 16485172 widmerseyebrow said:
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I can totally get wanting more from the finale, but if you're like me, you cringe at the barrage of unoriginality and poor story-telling coming from the studios, and here we have something that went a different direction than what the viewer was expecting to see in a series finale, and it was thought-provoking and fitting for the actual story, which might have been a different story than the viewer assumed they were watching. I thought it was brilliant, the character development and acting was incredible. The actor portrayals added so much to the story-telling with just so many subtleties.

I would love to see another show that goes into the stories following the rise of the real life Tokugawa dynasty.



I think an adaption of Yoshikawa's Musashi with the same production would be incredible.


That would be a pretty cool "sequel" as a sort of anthology- Musashi starts right where Shogun ends.

The other books in the Asian Saga by Clavell are pretty good too. Not nearly as famous as Shogun, but I think Tai-Pan would be really interesting on TV
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