Kinda' feel the same. There's lots of nuance to it though. Very low-key ending to the 'grandness' of the rest of the series. Supposedly this one season was meant to stand on its own... but I guess they're leaving things open for a season two. We shall see.
Kinda' feel the same. There's lots of nuance to it though. Very low-key ending to the 'grandness' of the rest of the series. Supposedly this one season was meant to stand on its own... but I guess they're leaving things open for a season two. We shall see.
I could be wrong, but where they left off was the end of the novel. So unless they planned on coming up with some sort of new content that isn't canon, not sure how they'd do that.
Kinda' feel the same. There's lots of nuance to it though. Very low-key ending to the 'grandness' of the rest of the series. Supposedly this one season was meant to stand on its own... but I guess they're leaving things open for a season two. We shall see.
I could be wrong, but where they left off was the end of the novel. So unless they planned on coming up with some sort of new content that isn't canon, not sure how they'd do that.
Correct. The series ends where the book ends.
I loved this series but it definitely is a bit confounding over the last two episodes. That’s sort of the point. Can’t say more without spoilers.
I can totally get wanting more from the finale, but if you're like me, you cringe at the barrage of unoriginality and poor story-telling coming from the studios, and here we have something that went a different direction than what the viewer was expecting to see in a series finale, and it was thought-provoking and fitting for the actual story, which might have been a different story than the viewer assumed they were watching. I thought it was brilliant, the character development and acting was incredible. The actor portrayals added so much to the story-telling with just so many subtleties.
I would love to see another show that goes into the stories following the rise of the real life Tokugawa dynasty.
I can totally get wanting more from the finale, but if you're like me, you cringe at the barrage of unoriginality and poor story-telling coming from the studios, and here we have something that went a different direction than what the viewer was expecting to see in a series finale, and it was thought-provoking and fitting for the actual story, which might have been a different story than the viewer assumed they were watching. I thought it was brilliant, the character development and acting was incredible. The actor portrayals added so much to the story-telling with just so many subtleties.
I would love to see another show that goes into the stories following the rise of the real life Tokugawa dynasty.
I think an adaption of Yoshikawa's Musashi with the same production would be incredible.
Suggest watching the version in Japanese with subtitles instead of dubbed.
To be clear, we are not talking about the 80's TV miniseries Shogun, but the remake on FX/Hulu. Apologies if you were simply engaging in some smart-assery for yucks.
I can totally get wanting more from the finale, but if you're like me, you cringe at the barrage of unoriginality and poor story-telling coming from the studios, and here we have something that went a different direction than what the viewer was expecting to see in a series finale, and it was thought-provoking and fitting for the actual story, which might have been a different story than the viewer assumed they were watching. I thought it was brilliant, the character development and acting was incredible. The actor portrayals added so much to the story-telling with just so many subtleties.
I would love to see another show that goes into the stories following the rise of the real life Tokugawa dynasty.
I think an adaption of Yoshikawa's Musashi with the same production would be incredible.
It was good not great for me.
I was a huge fan of the original series with Chamberlain.
There were good episodes but the finale was bland. I was expecting an epic episode 10 after a great episode 9.
I’m not sorry I watched it but it left me wanting.
That the episode mirrors the era and location that it was covering - feudal Japan. This was a point in time where declarations of war took an eternity, diplomacy was central and most things (akin to the culture) are subtle.
Those expecting a show that had an hour and a half long battle, I’m not sure what else to tell you. That wasn’t the point of the show, nor focus. It was more based upon character development and intrigue than over the top CGI massacres.
I watched it with English subtitles so I could watch it with a native Japanese speaker. Not surprisingly, some of the dialog meaning changes with the translation.
One of the themes is the contrast between Japanese and Western cultures (which is pretty obvious and pronounced), but there is a lot of political maneuvering too and I missed some of the motives because of the subtleness of dialog, and translation.
Enjoy it! It's very well done, brilliant costumes and sets.
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Japanese actor Hiroyuki Sanada not only stars as Lord Yoshii Toranaga in the FX epic series "Shogun," he ensured authenticity as first-time producer.
Suggest watching the version in Japanese with subtitles instead of dubbed.
To be clear, we are not talking about the 80's TV miniseries Shogun, but the remake on FX/Hulu. Apologies if you were simply engaging in some smart-assery for yucks.
Hulu gives you the option to watch with subtitles or dubbed into English. Both options were for the current version of the show.
I'm looking forward to it, but haven't watched yet. I'm worried that I will have the same reaction I had to the book, and these comments are reinforcing that. I loved about 99% of the book, got to the end and was like "are you effing kidding me?"
Curious to see how I'll like it knowing what the ending is, but hoping it plays out better on the screen than it did on the page. For me, at least.
RE: Those who criticize the finale need to understand…
That the episode mirrors the era and location that it was covering - feudal Japan. This was a point in time where declarations of war took an eternity, diplomacy was central and most things (akin to the culture) are subtle.
Those expecting a show that had an hour and a half long battle, I’m not sure what else to tell you. That wasn’t the point of the show, nor focus. It was more based upon character development and intrigue than over the top CGI massacres.
It’s a different culture.
I had no issue with no ending battle. I expected that. The show is more cerebral and much of the combat is with words and discussion and tactics.
I had an issue with the Anjin dreaming, not a flashback to the past but look forward to a fearful future. Can't get into it without spoilers but I thought that was poorly handled and even a 1st year film student could have expressed that much better. That to me was a large miss and unexpected for this Shogun writing team. But by comparison it's minor compared to their great work.
RE: RE: Those who criticize the finale need to understand…
That the episode mirrors the era and location that it was covering - feudal Japan. This was a point in time where declarations of war took an eternity, diplomacy was central and most things (akin to the culture) are subtle.
Those expecting a show that had an hour and a half long battle, I’m not sure what else to tell you. That wasn’t the point of the show, nor focus. It was more based upon character development and intrigue than over the top CGI massacres.
It’s a different culture.
I had no issue with no ending battle. I expected that. The show is more cerebral and much of the combat is with words and discussion and tactics.
I had an issue with the Anjin dreaming, not a flashback to the past but look forward to a fearful future. Can't get into it without spoilers but I thought that was poorly handled and even a 1st year film student could have expressed that much better. That to me was a large miss and unexpected for this Shogun writing team. But by comparison it's minor compared to their great work.
Thought they needed one more episode. There was too much crammed into the finale and it felt rushed. Sanada was terrific. I didn't think anyone could compete with the great Toshiro Mifune, but Sanada did.
I can totally get wanting more from the finale, but if you're like me, you cringe at the barrage of unoriginality and poor story-telling coming from the studios, and here we have something that went a different direction than what the viewer was expecting to see in a series finale, and it was thought-provoking and fitting for the actual story, which might have been a different story than the viewer assumed they were watching. I thought it was brilliant, the character development and acting was incredible. The actor portrayals added so much to the story-telling with just so many subtleties.
I would love to see another show that goes into the stories following the rise of the real life Tokugawa dynasty.
I think an adaption of Yoshikawa's Musashi with the same production would be incredible.
That would be a pretty cool "sequel" as a sort of anthology- Musashi starts right where Shogun ends.
The other books in the Asian Saga by Clavell are pretty good too. Not nearly as famous as Shogun, but I think Tai-Pan would be really interesting on TV
Kinda' feel the same. There's lots of nuance to it though. Very low-key ending to the 'grandness' of the rest of the series. Supposedly this one season was meant to stand on its own... but I guess they're leaving things open for a season two. We shall see.
You have a point.
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Didn’t like the finale.
Kinda' feel the same. There's lots of nuance to it though. Very low-key ending to the 'grandness' of the rest of the series. Supposedly this one season was meant to stand on its own... but I guess they're leaving things open for a season two. We shall see.
I could be wrong, but where they left off was the end of the novel. So unless they planned on coming up with some sort of new content that isn't canon, not sure how they'd do that.
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Didn’t like the finale.
Kinda' feel the same. There's lots of nuance to it though. Very low-key ending to the 'grandness' of the rest of the series. Supposedly this one season was meant to stand on its own... but I guess they're leaving things open for a season two. We shall see.
I could be wrong, but where they left off was the end of the novel. So unless they planned on coming up with some sort of new content that isn't canon, not sure how they'd do that.
I loved this series but it definitely is a bit confounding over the last two episodes. That’s sort of the point. Can’t say more without spoilers.
Under the Bridge has been good so far (Hulu).
I would love to see another show that goes into the stories following the rise of the real life Tokugawa dynasty.
I would love to see another show that goes into the stories following the rise of the real life Tokugawa dynasty.
I think an adaption of Yoshikawa's Musashi with the same production would be incredible.
To be clear, we are not talking about the 80's TV miniseries Shogun, but the remake on FX/Hulu. Apologies if you were simply engaging in some smart-assery for yucks.
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I can totally get wanting more from the finale, but if you're like me, you cringe at the barrage of unoriginality and poor story-telling coming from the studios, and here we have something that went a different direction than what the viewer was expecting to see in a series finale, and it was thought-provoking and fitting for the actual story, which might have been a different story than the viewer assumed they were watching. I thought it was brilliant, the character development and acting was incredible. The actor portrayals added so much to the story-telling with just so many subtleties.
I would love to see another show that goes into the stories following the rise of the real life Tokugawa dynasty.
I think an adaption of Yoshikawa's Musashi with the same production would be incredible.
Sign me up.
Great to watch waiting for draft day!
The symbolism and craftsmanship nearly had me crying like a little girl.
Course I didn’t. But I am glad that someone else saw what I saw.
I was a huge fan of the original series with Chamberlain.
There were good episodes but the finale was bland. I was expecting an epic episode 10 after a great episode 9.
I’m not sorry I watched it but it left me wanting.
Had a few issues with the finale but won't let them take away from a great series.
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seems like slim pickings in the last several months (writers strike time delay?).
Under the Bridge has been good so far (Hulu).
Enjoyed The Gentleman on Netflix
Those expecting a show that had an hour and a half long battle, I’m not sure what else to tell you. That wasn’t the point of the show, nor focus. It was more based upon character development and intrigue than over the top CGI massacres.
It’s a different culture.
Feel same way. Left you wanting.
One of the themes is the contrast between Japanese and Western cultures (which is pretty obvious and pronounced), but there is a lot of political maneuvering too and I missed some of the motives because of the subtleness of dialog, and translation.
Enjoy it! It's very well done, brilliant costumes and sets.
I wouldn't say sucked, but the original was way better!
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Suggest watching the version in Japanese with subtitles instead of dubbed.
To be clear, we are not talking about the 80's TV miniseries Shogun, but the remake on FX/Hulu. Apologies if you were simply engaging in some smart-assery for yucks.
Hulu gives you the option to watch with subtitles or dubbed into English. Both options were for the current version of the show.
Curious to see how I'll like it knowing what the ending is, but hoping it plays out better on the screen than it did on the page. For me, at least.
Those expecting a show that had an hour and a half long battle, I’m not sure what else to tell you. That wasn’t the point of the show, nor focus. It was more based upon character development and intrigue than over the top CGI massacres.
It’s a different culture.
I had no issue with no ending battle. I expected that. The show is more cerebral and much of the combat is with words and discussion and tactics.
I had an issue with the Anjin dreaming, not a flashback to the past but look forward to a fearful future. Can't get into it without spoilers but I thought that was poorly handled and even a 1st year film student could have expressed that much better. That to me was a large miss and unexpected for this Shogun writing team. But by comparison it's minor compared to their great work.
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That the episode mirrors the era and location that it was covering - feudal Japan. This was a point in time where declarations of war took an eternity, diplomacy was central and most things (akin to the culture) are subtle.
Those expecting a show that had an hour and a half long battle, I’m not sure what else to tell you. That wasn’t the point of the show, nor focus. It was more based upon character development and intrigue than over the top CGI massacres.
It’s a different culture.
I had no issue with no ending battle. I expected that. The show is more cerebral and much of the combat is with words and discussion and tactics.
I had an issue with the Anjin dreaming, not a flashback to the past but look forward to a fearful future. Can't get into it without spoilers but I thought that was poorly handled and even a 1st year film student could have expressed that much better. That to me was a large miss and unexpected for this Shogun writing team. But by comparison it's minor compared to their great work.
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I can totally get wanting more from the finale, but if you're like me, you cringe at the barrage of unoriginality and poor story-telling coming from the studios, and here we have something that went a different direction than what the viewer was expecting to see in a series finale, and it was thought-provoking and fitting for the actual story, which might have been a different story than the viewer assumed they were watching. I thought it was brilliant, the character development and acting was incredible. The actor portrayals added so much to the story-telling with just so many subtleties.
I would love to see another show that goes into the stories following the rise of the real life Tokugawa dynasty.
I think an adaption of Yoshikawa's Musashi with the same production would be incredible.
That would be a pretty cool "sequel" as a sort of anthology- Musashi starts right where Shogun ends.
The other books in the Asian Saga by Clavell are pretty good too. Not nearly as famous as Shogun, but I think Tai-Pan would be really interesting on TV