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the narrative of next year being a weak QB class

jcp56 : 4/25/2024 12:25 am
I'll preface by saying that I have no strong opinion regarding the QBs and will be happy if Giant's management gets their QB this year.

But the narrative that next year's QB class is weak is premature. Heading into this college season, we only heard about Williams and Maye. I didn't hear anything about Jayden Daniels or JJ McCarthy. They emerged as the season progressed (ala Joe Burrow).

Going back further, we heard about Luck, Lawrence, Tua, and Sam Darnold. I don't recall hearing much about Mahomes or Allen the year before.

So there's no reason to think that other QBs will emerge in the next class. I don't want Schoen to shop for a QB hungry this year.

True  
jeff57 : 4/25/2024 12:33 am : link
But seems clear going in that there’s not a QB as good as at least Williams. Or as Maye was supposed to be.
20 yr old McCarthy  
Breeze_94 : 4/25/2024 12:37 am : link
Probably would be mocked as the #1 pick had he returned to Michigan.
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Walnuts : 4/25/2024 12:42 am : link
Some quarterbacks will probably emerge next year, but we have the sixth overall pick in a draft with four QBs that could go in the top 10, plus two other QBs that could go in the first.

We're in a pretty good position now to draft QB and it seems unlikely that we'd be in a better position next year. Even if say two QBs do emerge, we'd have to be picking first or second overall - otherwise we're in the same boat now of having to trade up, except with likely fewer QBs to trade up for.
So you want him to shop even hungrier next year?  
Go Terps : 4/25/2024 12:43 am : link
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Yeah, I don't think it will be Kenny Pickett bad.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 12:56 am : link
Nevertheless, it will very likely not be close to as good as this one.
Next year you have:  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 12:59 am : link
Leonard, Dart, Ward, Sanders, Ewers, Beck

Only two that I am liking right now are Dart and Ward. The other 4 are ranked higher in a lot of rankings, but i especially like Dart.

I don't see us having a better pick than this year with a lower SOS and what I predict to be an improved team with fewer crucial injuries. QB this year and then maybe we could get McMillan if we are bad enough and keep our 2025 1st. He could be a better prospect than any of the top 3 WRs this year. He's really got the total package
RE: .  
monstercoo : 4/25/2024 2:42 am : link
In comment 16485179 Walnuts said:
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Some quarterbacks will probably emerge next year, but we have the sixth overall pick in a draft with four QBs that could go in the top 10, plus two other QBs that could go in the first.

We're in a pretty good position now to draft QB and it seems unlikely that we'd be in a better position next year. Even if say two QBs do emerge, we'd have to be picking first or second overall - otherwise we're in the same boat now of having to trade up, except with likely fewer QBs to trade up for.


Yea this is the real issue. Jones will have a stud WR1 and if he stays relatively healthy (or Lock performs decently) they won’t be drafting in the top 10.

Time is also ticking for Schoen/Daboll, and there’s at least a little pressure knowing Belichick needs a job next year.
We hear that every year at draft time  
David B. : 4/25/2024 5:54 am : link
Then a couple of Jrs or whatever declare, and it changes. Not saying they all pan out, but there's always more QBs than people expect.
I think we should wait  
Giantimistic : 4/25/2024 6:27 am : link
For Arch Manning.
What we know is far different from what scouts  
UConn4523 : 4/25/2024 6:35 am : link
know. You don’t think teams know who emerging players are going to be? And it’s an odds game - what are the odds there are 4 or 5 QBs that are first round worthy in 2025? Likely pretty low. That’s a hell of risk in my book.

What happens if we pick lower than 6th next year?
JJ McCarthy was known  
HardTruth : 4/25/2024 6:39 am : link
He absolutely was

He was just a Sophomore though

The guy was a 5 star recruit and top QB recruit in nation who went 37-2 in HS and won a 2 separate HS national titles at different schools and different states and a HS National Title. He received a scholarship offer when he was in 8th grade

He didnt come out of no where
RE: We hear that every year at draft time  
HardTruth : 4/25/2024 6:41 am : link
In comment 16485208 David B. said:
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Then a couple of Jrs or whatever declare, and it changes. Not saying they all pan out, but there's always more QBs than people expect.


There always are???

How about 2019, 2021, 2022?
Next year’s WR class could be great, too  
Formerly TD : 4/25/2024 6:47 am : link
No need to force a top-10 pick on WR this year when we have no QB.

Priorities.
RE: Next year’s WR class could be great, too  
Mike in NY : 4/25/2024 6:54 am : link
In comment 16485229 Formerly TD said:
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No need to force a top-10 pick on WR this year when we have no QB.

Priorities.


No need to force any position with the current state of the Giants. We need to land at least one of our top 15.
Here is ESPN's rankings  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/25/2024 7:00 am : link
of QB's to watch heading into 2023. Things can change.

1. Williams 2. Penix 3. Maye 4. Nix 5. Travis 6. Rising
7. Hartman 8. McCarthy 9. Daniels 10. Daniels (Kansas)

I remember hearing a lot of Williams and Maye as the two top QB's heading into 2023.

One thing I did see with some of the QB's in college next season is a few of them are a little on the smaller side. I will watch a few games of Dart and Milroe next season. I see Dart raising his profile a lot next season.

How come if you don’t like a player it’s a force?  
UConn4523 : 4/25/2024 7:41 am : link
never understood that
We can certainly wait on drafting a new QB.  
ThomasG : 4/25/2024 7:44 am : link

When do you think it makes sense to be more serious about adding one...next year, 3 years, 5 years from now?
The way I look at it is if we get Maye then great. If we get JJM  
Blue21 : 4/25/2024 9:02 am : link
Then at the very least we are probably drafting next years #1 this year. The risk works for me. Of course now watch them draft Nabors tonight..
It might be premature,  
Gruber : 4/25/2024 9:15 am : link
but you also have to keep in mind that you can have successive years without a starter emerging from the draft.
So, the year after Andrew Luck went with the #1 pick, the 2013 draft produced precisely Geno Smith (2nd round) and no other credible starter.
2014 produced Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Garropolo and Derek Carr.
2015 famously had Winston and Mariota going #1 and #2. Neither established themselves as credible starters.
That's three successive drafts with slim pickings.
If you see a guy you like this year, then the argument would be a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
we shouldn't wait  
Dr. D : 4/25/2024 9:15 am : link
I don't want to be rooting for losses next season, so we don't have to give up even more assets to move up in the draft next yr.

With better D & better OL/coaching, there's no guarantee we'll be this close next yr. Get it done tonight.
The class could get better  
Jerry in_DC : 4/25/2024 9:17 am : link
Or it could get worse. Maybe Ewers gets hurt, Beck looks like a game manager, etc.

It probably won't be a better class than this year though. And we probably won't be picking higher.

So are we going to be 3-6 in the fall debating about whether we should root for losses? Are we going to be here next spring at pick #9 debating about giving up a huge package to get to #3 even though the QB "have warts" and "aren't a sure thing$. Sure let's just do that again. One more year of Giants football wasted. Still on the road to nowhere.
I think we should wait  
Giantimistic : 4/25/2024 3:16 pm : link
For Arch Manning.
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