Have 11 picks in this draft, including, I believe, 6 in the first 3 rounds. What in the world do they gain by dealing w/ anyone, gaining more picks, and losing position to grab MHJ (or whoever)? I just don’t see them doing a deal w/ us (and our paltry 6 picks, including being short one in a mid/upper round(?) - and leaving aside 2025), or Minny or anyone. What are the mocksters seeing that I’m not?
for months. The only thing I can come up with is that -- given all their draft capital -- they have the ultimate power to move up and down the Draft Board as they wish to target very specific players.
They can also get additional 2024 picks and spend some to move back up to 5,6,7,8 range to get their targeted player.
But you are correct. They need players, not more picks in 2024. I can't see them trading back to 11 and 23 and keeping them.
NYG keeps the rest of the 2024 draft in tack.
Dream scenario to me.
Current and future draft capital - you can never have enough
They can also get additional 2024 picks and spend some to move back up to 5,6,7,8 range to get their targeted player.
But you are correct. They need players, not more picks in 2024. I can't see them trading back to 11 and 23 and keeping them.
It’s not like they’re trading down in the 4th to pick up an extra 6th to get a guy that may not make the team.
Would you take a future first and one of thosse receivers, whoever is left.
With the draft capital that can be used to get you back into the end of the first for another targeted player?
And target players the rest of the draft?
Vs.
Choosing one, and not having the extra picks?
AZ may love MHJ and Nabers the same and see both fitting in their scheme and locker room. So landing either one and also getting future draft picks is the best case scenario.
They get both quality, fit and future draft capital.
This place has become the epicenter of stupidity. First for months many people here insisted the Bears would stick w Fields. Now cos the Pats and Cards will make a reasonable trade now for the same dumb logic
Both NE and AZwilm want a haul. Good for them. NE needs a QB just as bad. And nowAZ going to risk passing on whomever they really want to make the Giants happy? Murray is needs a WR bad. He's one of the most over paid over rated QBs a d they are stuck w him. So them passing on their idea of who the best WR for that team is going to cost anyone wanting for a ton
Stay at 6. If a Qb falls. Oh well. Grab whomever is left out of the best offensive guys. Fucking up the Jones pick set this team back 5 years. Fucking up again for a roll of the dice Qb at 4 is a huge gamble.
Maybe the Cards trade but my guess is if anything gets done w anyone for a Qb it's at 5 w the Chargers
This. They pick at 4. If the 1st 3 picks are QBs, and they trade with the Giants at 6, they pick up an extra high pick or two, and still get 1 of their top 2 WRs at worst. If they have their top 2 WRs rated closely, it's a no brainer. If Chargers go OL (or defense), they still get their top WR
NYG keeps the rest of the 2024 draft in tack.
Dream scenario to me.
I wonder and hope that Schoen has considered all contingencies and at least explored a trade up with the Chargers.
Acid: Not even close. There's more than 2 teams in the league and Minnesota is sitting out there offering 11 and 23 AND a 2025 2nd. And having made that trade the Cards are perfectly placed to trade right back up to 5 with the Chargers for 11 and some combination of 2nd rounders still leaving them with 23 and 27 plus a bunch of other 2nd day picks.Actually would then put them in position to package 23 to move up to get either of Terrion Arnold or Q Mitchell to fill their other big need. Bottom line they ain't trading with the Giants. In fact I don't see anybody in the 3-4-5 area trading with the Giants. The assets they are sitting on are just too valuable.
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read a report yesterday which said that the Cardinals told MHJ that they would pick him at #4. It's going to be really expensive to get them to risk losing him by moving to #6. I'm not sure a second next year will be enough.
Acid: Not even close. There's more than 2 teams in the league and Minnesota is sitting out there offering 11 and 23 AND a 2025 2nd. And having made that trade the Cards are perfectly placed to trade right back up to 5 with the Chargers for 11 and some combination of 2nd rounders still leaving them with 23 and 27 plus a bunch of other 2nd day picks.Actually would then put them in position to package 23 to move up to get either of Terrion Arnold or Q Mitchell to fill their other big need. Bottom line they ain't trading with the Giants. In fact I don't see anybody in the 3-4-5 area trading with the Giants. The assets they are sitting on are just too valuable.
If the Cards trade back with the Vikings there is a risk they miss out on the top two WRs as LA or NY could just sit tight and select them.
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read a report yesterday which said that the Cardinals told MHJ that they would pick him at #4. It's going to be really expensive to get them to risk losing him by moving to #6. I'm not sure a second next year will be enough.
Acid: Not even close. There's more than 2 teams in the league and Minnesota is sitting out there offering 11 and 23 AND a 2025 2nd. And having made that trade the Cards are perfectly placed to trade right back up to 5 with the Chargers for 11 and some combination of 2nd rounders still leaving them with 23 and 27 plus a bunch of other 2nd day picks.Actually would then put them in position to package 23 to move up to get either of Terrion Arnold or Q Mitchell to fill their other big need. Bottom line they ain't trading with the Giants. In fact I don't see anybody in the 3-4-5 area trading with the Giants. The assets they are sitting on are just too valuable.
If the Cards trade back with the Vikings there is a risk they miss out on the top two WRs as LA or NY could just sit tight and select them.
Of course they wouldn't do that without a deal already in place. Its how the NFL works. But it makes eminent sense, fits what they did last year and adds great players. It just seems highly unlikely that the Cards are going to give up their chance to select what people are calling a generational prospect in Harrison for a 2nd rounder next year. Sorry
Hold steady Joe you don't need to trade up.
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read a report yesterday which said that the Cardinals told MHJ that they would pick him at #4. It's going to be really expensive to get them to risk losing him by moving to #6. I'm not sure a second next year will be enough.
Acid: Not even close. There's more than 2 teams in the league and Minnesota is sitting out there offering 11 and 23 AND a 2025 2nd. And having made that trade the Cards are perfectly placed to trade right back up to 5 with the Chargers for 11 and some combination of 2nd rounders still leaving them with 23 and 27 plus a bunch of other 2nd day picks.Actually would then put them in position to package 23 to move up to get either of Terrion Arnold or Q Mitchell to fill their other big need. Bottom line they ain't trading with the Giants. In fact I don't see anybody in the 3-4-5 area trading with the Giants. The assets they are sitting on are just too valuable.
Minnesota doesn't' have a 2025 second. They traded it to Houston as part of the package to get pick #23.
I'm not sure what Arizona will do. I could absolutely see them refuse to trade with anyone. They may want MHJ as I said, and also already have a ton of draft capital.
NYG keeps the rest of the 2024 draft in tack.
Dream scenario to me.
that's what i think. i also dont see ARI moving down lower than 6. people dont realize they kind of got burned last year and they only moved down 3 spots. they basically got pick @27 this year and paris johnson for DROY pro bowl edge. Not a good deal.
i dont see any way they dont get themselves mhj or nabers.
Unless they trade with the Giants and we take Harrison and LA takes Nabers...... Then what?
They can also get additional 2024 picks and spend some to move back up to 5,6,7,8 range to get their targeted player.
But you are correct. They need players, not more picks in 2024. I can't see them trading back to 11 and 23 and keeping them.
Unless they trade with the Giants and we take Harrison and LA comes back with Nabers. Then what?
Then what?
If the GM in AZ looks at his WR room and trades back 2 spots with both Harrison and Nabers available they are MORONS!!
Good point.
Happy 30th Anniversary btw.