Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
10:02 AM · Apr 25, 2024
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If it's true that the Pats are willing to move out of 3 but don't want to go as low as 6, that tells me 2 things:
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
What would be the purpose to trade to three? NE wouldn't trade with the giants if we wanted the same QB as them. And NE won't realistically trade down too far and miss their QB.
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Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
10:02 AM · Apr 25, 2024
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If that is a possibility a much easier trade to execute would be
3 NYG
4 NE
5 AZ
6 LAC
Everyone moves down a spot and gets the player they want with NYG jumping to 3. There's too much at play for NE and AZ to move down all the way to 11 twice.
This is essentially the scenario NYG is competing against
How does MN pay for all of that though? Remember, this year's 23 is really just a reallocation of their second round picks for this year and next. They have to find a way to convince Chargers move back from 5 to 11 and still have to pay NE and Az, both of which have alternatives to deal with us.
So it's possible for them, but they'll need to mortgage a lot.
If it's true that the Pats are willing to move out of 3 but don't want to go as low as 6, that tells me 2 things:
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
To box out the Vikings from trying to complete the same deal by involving the Chargers too.
RE: The way I read Rico's report, plus what's in media is...
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
This is a dangerous game being played out here.
Maybe this is smoke from the Giants - putting it in NE head that if they trade with Minny for 11/23, they won't be able to get JJM
If it's true that the Pats are willing to move out of 3 but don't want to go as low as 6, that tells me 2 things:
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
This
RE: The way I read Rico's report, plus what's in media is...
It's been out there in the media that Az won't make a trade until they are on the clock. So I ask myself, why would they wait? They aren't waiting for someone to fall for their sake, so it has to be they have a potential deal but is contingent on the partner's QB being there. This is 100% consistent with what Rico was reporting about NYG having a deal lined up with Az for Daniels or Maye.
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
This is a dangerous game being played out here.
Trades virtually never happen before a team is on the clock, for two reasons, the team trading up wants to be sure the player they want is available, and the team trading down might have someone fall into their laps that they would want to stay in place and take.
What he said does not mean the parameters of a deal are not in place. As an example, Schoen had last year's deal with Jax worked out ahead of time, and had a deal worked out with Buffalo if the player they wanted wasn't there and they decided to trade down.
If it's true that the Pats are willing to move out of 3 but don't want to go as low as 6, that tells me 2 things:
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
To box out the Vikings from trying to complete the same deal by involving the Chargers too.
any of the 2025 draft capital for QB3/QB4. Both Maye/JJM are crap shoots at this point. Stay at 6 and see how is left standing.
Any player is a crap shoot. If the Giants have 4 QB's with 1st Round grades (among their 15) and then a large drop off it makes absolute sense to try and get one even if it means trading up. Arizona and/or Los Angeles have shown a willingness to trade down while Minnesota and Denver have been looking to trade up.
Nothing good comes from any public disclosure of confidential information. Also, with the uptick in NYG chatter, I am wondering whether Schoen, realizing he can’t plug the leaks, has turned to burying the truth in a flood of them. Tinfoil hat bonus conjecture, I have always wondered whether Schoen used a canary trap on Chris Pettit to get the ok to fire him despite talking about continuing to work with him at his post draft presser. Pettit was gone a few days after that presser; it was abrupt.
Nothing good comes from any public disclosure of confidential information. Also, with the uptick in NYG chatter, I am wondering whether Schoen, realizing he can’t plug the leaks, has turned to burying the truth in a flood of them. Tinfoil hat bonus conjecture, I have always wondered whether Schoen used a canary trap on Chris Pettit to get the ok to fire him despite talking about continuing to work with him at his post draft presser. Pettit was gone a few days after that presser; it was abrupt.
Actually, they have been pretty gabby this year. Some of the older ones have been more quiet, but we've received a ton of updates.
The Giants are serious about the QBs, and if they have the opportunity to trade up for Drake Maye, they will try. But the cost is high and some in the organization don't want to pay the price when they can stay put and build around Daniel Jones. They might think about J.J. McCarthy here, but in the end they'll take the receiver some think is the most explosive in this draft. Nabers will instantly be the No. 1 receiver Jones has never had and will draw some comparisons to another explosive LSU receiver the Giants had a few years ago. –Vacchiano
-Hoping ownership doesn't back off on the price and this is just posturing. To get outbid for Maye would be unacceptable in my eyes.
The Giants are serious about the QBs, and if they have the opportunity to trade up for Drake Maye, they will try. But the cost is high and some in the organization don't want to pay the price when they can stay put and build around Daniel Jones. They might think about J.J. McCarthy here, but in the end they'll take the receiver some think is the most explosive in this draft. Nabers will instantly be the No. 1 receiver Jones has never had and will draw some comparisons to another explosive LSU receiver the Giants had a few years ago. –Vacchiano
-Hoping ownership doesn't back off on the price and this is just posturing. To get outbid for Maye would be unacceptable in my eyes.
The way this is worded doesn't make complete sense. The draft starts in hours. The Giants know their price. If it goes beyond that, I could see them standing pat.
I like Maye, but if the price is ridiculous I have no problem
The Giants are serious about the QBs, and if they have the opportunity to trade up for Drake Maye, they will try. But the cost is high and some in the organization don't want to pay the price when they can stay put and build around Daniel Jones. They might think about J.J. McCarthy here, but in the end they'll take the receiver some think is the most explosive in this draft. Nabers will instantly be the No. 1 receiver Jones has never had and will draw some comparisons to another explosive LSU receiver the Giants had a few years ago. –Vacchiano
-Hoping ownership doesn't back off on the price and this is just posturing. To get outbid for Maye would be unacceptable in my eyes.
If I were Schoen, you would be one of the people I would attempt to get false information to and would do it early. We don’t know. They have a tight ship now. T he have been linked to everyone, clearly by design IMV.
If I were Schoen, you would be one of the people I would attempt to get false information to and would do it early. We don’t know. They have a tight ship now. T he have been linked to everyone, clearly by design IMV.
The Giants are serious about the QBs, and if they have the opportunity to trade up for Drake Maye, they will try. But the cost is high and some in the organization don't want to pay the price when they can stay put and build around Daniel Jones. They might think about J.J. McCarthy here, but in the end they'll take the receiver some think is the most explosive in this draft. Nabers will instantly be the No. 1 receiver Jones has never had and will draw some comparisons to another explosive LSU receiver the Giants had a few years ago. –Vacchiano
-Hoping ownership doesn't back off on the price and this is just posturing. To get outbid for Maye would be unacceptable in my eyes.
The way this is worded doesn't make complete sense. The draft starts in hours. The Giants know their price. If it goes beyond that, I could see them standing pat.
Eric did you mean that Ralphs's wording did not make complete sense?
Could be a trial balloon to temper fans enthusiasm if they can't make a trade.
RV's note sure sounds like fallback trial balloon from the top
If it's true that the Pats are willing to move out of 3 but don't want to go as low as 6, that tells me 2 things:
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
To box out the Vikings from trying to complete the same deal by involving the Chargers too.
Correct.
If NE is set on one of the QBs, Vikings trade doesn't do the trick for them unless Arizona is willing to move down that far. If NE/Chargers/Vikings deal, and Pats end up at 5, they've left themselves very exposed to NYG simply dealing with Arizona to get in front.
In my mind, the Giants likely only get "screwed" by Arizona or LAC dealing with the Vikings (or other) after the Pats have picked a QB.
My suspicion is that 11 will be further than the Cards are willing to drop (WR), and possibly the same for LAC (OT) although they may be more easily dissuaded by a great offer.
if Vacchiano's report even has a hint of truth to it, can we once and for all stop the "Mara doesn't interfere" BS?
I would pay serious coin for a deep expose into Mara’s affinity for Jones. Someone has to explain this to me.
He's a bit of a jock sniffer for guys with the right look / personality.And he's personally invested (ego) - see his quote about finally getting one right.
This smoke balloon would have come along a lot more credibly if they had swapped that phrase out with something more like "punt the quarterback acquisition until they can more easily separate themsevles from Jones' contract".
This smoke balloon would have come along a lot more credibly if they had swapped that phrase out with something more like "punt the quarterback acquisition until they can more easily separate themsevles from Jones' contract".
Yes, if it was purely about Jones' contract that'd be one thing, but if the Giants still "believe" in Jones despite all the evidence that he's a bad QB, well then they deserve the miserable season they will get.
RE: RV's note sure sounds like fallback trial balloon from the top
if Vacchiano's report even has a hint of truth to it, can we once and for all stop the "Mara doesn't interfere" BS?
If Mara is stupid enough to not see that Jones cannot stay healthy and is not good enough to build on, I hope Schoen is smart enough to make sure that he and Daboll get guaranteed 5 year extensions after the Draft.
That won't prevent them from being fired, but at least they will be compensated. Because if the Giants go this way, we're looking at at least another 5 years before they can contend for a championship.
John Mara needs to think about his own legacy. He won't get the redemption arc Wellington did (after Wellington screwed up the franchise for 15 years). History won't be kind to him.
Eric this has been the most nail biting draft of my life time. This one is going to tell us a lot about the possible future of the next 5-10 years of this franchise.
This smoke balloon would have come along a lot more credibly if they had swapped that phrase out with something more like "punt the quarterback acquisition until they can more easily separate themsevles from Jones' contract".
Yes, if it was purely about Jones' contract that'd be one thing, but if the Giants still "believe" in Jones despite all the evidence that he's a bad QB, well then they deserve the miserable season they will get.
I think we are just viewing this differently. The phrase "build around Daniel Jones" is so absurd at this point that the entire thing strikes me as obvious smoke.
I'll be honest, if the only way to get their hands on Maye or McCarthy is to give up a future #1, then I don't want to do it. The distance between those guys and Penix/Nix is not worth the difference in cost to me. Pure opinion, from someone who knows extremely little.
In that case, I think it's a reasonable outcome that Jones play QB in 2024 (though the injury clause gives me a shitload of heartburn). But "build around Jones" as even an isolated thought strikes me as a complete lie.
This smoke balloon would have come along a lot more credibly if they had swapped that phrase out with something more like "punt the quarterback acquisition until they can more easily separate themsevles from Jones' contract".
Yes, if it was purely about Jones' contract that'd be one thing, but if the Giants still "believe" in Jones despite all the evidence that he's a bad QB, well then they deserve the miserable season they will get.
I think we are just viewing this differently. The phrase "build around Daniel Jones" is so absurd at this point that the entire thing strikes me as obvious smoke.
I'll be honest, if the only way to get their hands on Maye or McCarthy is to give up a future #1, then I don't want to do it. The distance between those guys and Penix/Nix is not worth the difference in cost to me. Pure opinion, from someone who knows extremely little.
In that case, I think it's a reasonable outcome that Jones play QB in 2024 (though the injury clause gives me a shitload of heartburn). But "build around Jones" as even an isolated thought strikes me as a complete lie.
I don't look at "build around Jones" as smoke or a lie. I look at it as, the Giants suggesting that they may not be able to secure one of the top QBs, so they will pick the best non-QB (in this case a WR) and build the rest of the team and address QB later.
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
10:02 AM · Apr 25, 2024
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36.6K
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Talk about many moving parts...lol
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
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Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
10:02 AM · Apr 25, 2024
·
36.6K
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If that is a possibility a much easier trade to execute would be
3 NYG
4 NE
5 AZ
6 LAC
Everyone moves down a spot and gets the player they want with NYG jumping to 3. There's too much at play for NE and AZ to move down all the way to 11 twice.
This is essentially the scenario NYG is competing against
How does MN pay for all of that though? Remember, this year's 23 is really just a reallocation of their second round picks for this year and next. They have to find a way to convince Chargers move back from 5 to 11 and still have to pay NE and Az, both of which have alternatives to deal with us.
So it's possible for them, but they'll need to mortgage a lot.
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
To box out the Vikings from trying to complete the same deal by involving the Chargers too.
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
This is a dangerous game being played out here.
Maybe this is smoke from the Giants - putting it in NE head that if they trade with Minny for 11/23, they won't be able to get JJM
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
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So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
This is a dangerous game being played out here.
Trades virtually never happen before a team is on the clock, for two reasons, the team trading up wants to be sure the player they want is available, and the team trading down might have someone fall into their laps that they would want to stay in place and take.
What he said does not mean the parameters of a deal are not in place. As an example, Schoen had last year's deal with Jax worked out ahead of time, and had a deal worked out with Buffalo if the player they wanted wasn't there and they decided to trade down.
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If it's true that the Pats are willing to move out of 3 but don't want to go as low as 6, that tells me 2 things:
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
To box out the Vikings from trying to complete the same deal by involving the Chargers too.
Correct.
Any player is a crap shoot. If the Giants have 4 QB's with 1st Round grades (among their 15) and then a large drop off it makes absolute sense to try and get one even if it means trading up. Arizona and/or Los Angeles have shown a willingness to trade down while Minnesota and Denver have been looking to trade up.
lol
Actually, they have been pretty gabby this year. Some of the older ones have been more quiet, but we've received a ton of updates.
-Hoping ownership doesn't back off on the price and this is just posturing. To get outbid for Maye would be unacceptable in my eyes.
-Hoping ownership doesn't back off on the price and this is just posturing. To get outbid for Maye would be unacceptable in my eyes.
The way this is worded doesn't make complete sense. The draft starts in hours. The Giants know their price. If it goes beyond that, I could see them standing pat.
-Hoping ownership doesn't back off on the price and this is just posturing. To get outbid for Maye would be unacceptable in my eyes.
John dictating that verbatim to Ralph.
The fact that people in that building apparently think that…I don’t even know what to say.
Same
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I just vomited a little in my mouth.
The fact that people in that building apparently think that…I don’t even know what to say.
I think we know who "some people in the organization" is......
I would pay serious coin for a deep expose into Mara’s affinity for Jones. Someone has to explain this to me.
Completely agree.
Plus, you should never hit a dog.
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The Giants are serious about the QBs, and if they have the opportunity to trade up for Drake Maye, they will try. But the cost is high and some in the organization don't want to pay the price when they can stay put and build around Daniel Jones. They might think about J.J. McCarthy here, but in the end they'll take the receiver some think is the most explosive in this draft. Nabers will instantly be the No. 1 receiver Jones has never had and will draw some comparisons to another explosive LSU receiver the Giants had a few years ago. –Vacchiano
-Hoping ownership doesn't back off on the price and this is just posturing. To get outbid for Maye would be unacceptable in my eyes.
The way this is worded doesn't make complete sense. The draft starts in hours. The Giants know their price. If it goes beyond that, I could see them standing pat.
Eric did you mean that Ralphs's wording did not make complete sense?
Could be a trial balloon to temper fans enthusiasm if they can't make a trade.
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If it's true that the Pats are willing to move out of 3 but don't want to go as low as 6, that tells me 2 things:
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
To box out the Vikings from trying to complete the same deal by involving the Chargers too.
Correct.
If NE is set on one of the QBs, Vikings trade doesn't do the trick for them unless Arizona is willing to move down that far. If NE/Chargers/Vikings deal, and Pats end up at 5, they've left themselves very exposed to NYG simply dealing with Arizona to get in front.
In my mind, the Giants likely only get "screwed" by Arizona or LAC dealing with the Vikings (or other) after the Pats have picked a QB.
My suspicion is that 11 will be further than the Cards are willing to drop (WR), and possibly the same for LAC (OT) although they may be more easily dissuaded by a great offer.
BTW, organizations should not base their actions just on input from the fans.
Daniel Jones is broken. If the team can't see that, then we're doubly (blanked).
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if Vacchiano's report even has a hint of truth to it, can we once and for all stop the "Mara doesn't interfere" BS?
I would pay serious coin for a deep expose into Mara’s affinity for Jones. Someone has to explain this to me.
He's a bit of a jock sniffer for guys with the right look / personality.And he's personally invested (ego) - see his quote about finally getting one right.
This smoke balloon would have come along a lot more credibly if they had swapped that phrase out with something more like "punt the quarterback acquisition until they can more easily separate themsevles from Jones' contract".
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I just vomited a little in my mouth.
This smoke balloon would have come along a lot more credibly if they had swapped that phrase out with something more like "punt the quarterback acquisition until they can more easily separate themsevles from Jones' contract".
Yes, if it was purely about Jones' contract that'd be one thing, but if the Giants still "believe" in Jones despite all the evidence that he's a bad QB, well then they deserve the miserable season they will get.
Also possible it's disninformation so that Arizona or NE think the Giants aren't going to give away the farm to move up.
If Mara is stupid enough to not see that Jones cannot stay healthy and is not good enough to build on, I hope Schoen is smart enough to make sure that he and Daboll get guaranteed 5 year extensions after the Draft.
That won't prevent them from being fired, but at least they will be compensated. Because if the Giants go this way, we're looking at at least another 5 years before they can contend for a championship.
John Mara needs to think about his own legacy. He won't get the redemption arc Wellington did (after Wellington screwed up the franchise for 15 years). History won't be kind to him.
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I just vomited a little in my mouth.
This smoke balloon would have come along a lot more credibly if they had swapped that phrase out with something more like "punt the quarterback acquisition until they can more easily separate themsevles from Jones' contract".
Yes, if it was purely about Jones' contract that'd be one thing, but if the Giants still "believe" in Jones despite all the evidence that he's a bad QB, well then they deserve the miserable season they will get.
I think we are just viewing this differently. The phrase "build around Daniel Jones" is so absurd at this point that the entire thing strikes me as obvious smoke.
I'll be honest, if the only way to get their hands on Maye or McCarthy is to give up a future #1, then I don't want to do it. The distance between those guys and Penix/Nix is not worth the difference in cost to me. Pure opinion, from someone who knows extremely little.
In that case, I think it's a reasonable outcome that Jones play QB in 2024 (though the injury clause gives me a shitload of heartburn). But "build around Jones" as even an isolated thought strikes me as a complete lie.
Pats ready to circle back to Vikes deal perhaps.
Giants don't have a good history winning bidding wars. They need to get this one done for the sake of the future of the franchise.
Also that conniving cat Roseman always lurks as 'the spolier'
Rickey also reporting expect big move for Philly. Could they try and sell AJ Brown and #22 for Cards #4 and screw this whole deal up?
Pats ready to circle back to Vikes deal perhaps.
Giants don't have a good history winning bidding wars. They need to get this one done for the sake of the future of the franchise.
Also that conniving cat Roseman always lurks as 'the spolier'
Rickey also reporting expect big move for Philly. Could they try and sell AJ Brown and #22 for Cards #4 and screw this whole deal up?
Possibly
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I just vomited a little in my mouth.
This smoke balloon would have come along a lot more credibly if they had swapped that phrase out with something more like "punt the quarterback acquisition until they can more easily separate themsevles from Jones' contract".
Yes, if it was purely about Jones' contract that'd be one thing, but if the Giants still "believe" in Jones despite all the evidence that he's a bad QB, well then they deserve the miserable season they will get.
I think we are just viewing this differently. The phrase "build around Daniel Jones" is so absurd at this point that the entire thing strikes me as obvious smoke.
I'll be honest, if the only way to get their hands on Maye or McCarthy is to give up a future #1, then I don't want to do it. The distance between those guys and Penix/Nix is not worth the difference in cost to me. Pure opinion, from someone who knows extremely little.
In that case, I think it's a reasonable outcome that Jones play QB in 2024 (though the injury clause gives me a shitload of heartburn). But "build around Jones" as even an isolated thought strikes me as a complete lie.
I don't look at "build around Jones" as smoke or a lie. I look at it as, the Giants suggesting that they may not be able to secure one of the top QBs, so they will pick the best non-QB (in this case a WR) and build the rest of the team and address QB later.
Yeah, that doesn't seem enough for AZ.
This would be fitting if NYG made another potential Legacy move for an amazingly talented QB
This would be fitting if NYG made another potential Legacy move for an amazingly talented QB
100th season. 100th anniversary is next year