It's been out there in the media that Az won't make a trade until they are on the clock. So I ask myself, why would they wait? They aren't waiting for someone to fall for their sake, so it has to be they have a potential deal but is contingent on the partner's QB being there. This is 100% consistent with what Rico was reporting about NYG having a deal lined up with Az for Daniels or Maye.
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
is back in February/March I was told it was Maye (I've posted this multiple times now over the past few weeks and discussed it on the podcast).
My gut tells me that hasn't changed.
The wild card to me is McCarthy because things may have changed between then and now.
If I had to guess, further evaluation of McCarthy when focusing solely on him revealed that there was not as much of a difference between the two as originally suspected. Reminds me of Ernie Accorsi saying that they had Ben Roethlisberger close enough to Eli Manning that they were not going to trade up unless it made sense to do so.
The wild card to me is McCarthy because things may have changed between then and now.
Changed, or perhaps just come to light. JS has mentioned keeping things close to the vest and so perhaps JJM was always a "fallback" option at #6 and thus not a player they'd want to have out there that they liked. As it became more apparent though that others may jump #6 for JJM it becomes less of a need to hide interest.
RE: The way I read Rico's report, plus what's in media is...
It's been out there in the media that Az won't make a trade until they are on the clock. So I ask myself, why would they wait? They aren't waiting for someone to fall for their sake, so it has to be they have a potential deal but is contingent on the partner's QB being there. This is 100% consistent with what Rico was reporting about NYG having a deal lined up with Az for Daniels or Maye.
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
Robinson L. Wittmore
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Pats-Cards-Giants deal picked up momentum overnight. Seems like fate of pick No. 3 won’t be decided until New England on clock. Strap in.
-Rickey going from Giants likely going McCarthy (though preferring Maye) to moving into position for QB (either or)
It's been out there in the media that Az won't make a trade until they are on the clock. So I ask myself, why would they wait? They aren't waiting for someone to fall for their sake, so it has to be they have a potential deal but is contingent on the partner's QB being there. This is 100% consistent with what Rico was reporting about NYG having a deal lined up with Az for Daniels or Maye.
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
This is a dangerous game being played out here.
You mean NYG?
No, Arizona has said they won't be making any trades until they are on the clock. The obvious reason is because they have a tentative deal in place but is contingent on a specific player being there. That jives with what Rico said about having a tentative deal with them for Daniels or Maye.
is back in February/March I was told it was Maye (I've posted this multiple times now over the past few weeks and discussed it on the podcast).
My gut tells me that hasn't changed.
The wild card to me is McCarthy because things may have changed between then and now.
This makes me feel good abut giving up a lot to move up. If we liked him then when there was a strong chance he was going top 2 and we had no shot of getting to 1 or 2 then it should be seen as a gift there is a chance to take him at 3.
IMO both guys are going to be successful in the NFL with good coaching. We have a great QB coaching crew.
Maye is a better fit for NY because the armchair media has already seeded the fields for JJ to be the "reach" which will sink him if he's not instantly successful when he sees the field.
IMO both guys are going to be successful in the NFL with good coaching. We have a great QB coaching crew.
Maye is a better fit for NY because the armchair media has already seeded the fields for JJ to be the "reach" which will sink him if he's not instantly successful when he sees the field.
NY is a terrible place to start your career.
Maye has 'arm arrogance'
A somewhat wild and concerning rumor from D Jeremiah
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
It's been out there in the media that Az won't make a trade until they are on the clock. So I ask myself, why would they wait? They aren't waiting for someone to fall for their sake, so it has to be they have a potential deal but is contingent on the partner's QB being there. This is 100% consistent with what Rico was reporting about NYG having a deal lined up with Az for Daniels or Maye.
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
This is a dangerous game being played out here.
You mean NYG?
No, Arizona has said they won't be making any trades until they are on the clock. The obvious reason is because they have a tentative deal in place but is contingent on a specific player being there. That jives with what Rico said about having a tentative deal with them for Daniels or Maye.
He was pointing out you made a typo and said NYJ lol
In terms of 3 team deal, NYG double trade up or deal directly with Pats and then Pats deal with Cards but.....
NYG 3, Pats 4 and Cards 6 seems like a very real possibility right now
If we can believe the AZ/NYG trade has been accepted perhaps Schoen goes to NE with that trade as proof of AZ accepting it, trade to 3 and the NE executes the trade with AZ that NYG negotiated.
RE: A somewhat wild and concerning rumor from D Jeremiah
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
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If that is a possibility a much easier trade to execute would be
3 NYG
4 NE
5 AZ
6 LAC
Everyone moves down a spot and gets the player they want with NYG jumping to 3. There's too much at play for NE and AZ to move down all the way to 11 twice.
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
10:02 AM · Apr 25, 2024
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But MUCH harder to pull off. More costly too. MN would have to pay 3 teams to move back. They burn 23 on Chargers, now still need to give something to NE and Az.
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
10:02 AM · Apr 25, 2024
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If that is a possibility a much easier trade to execute would be
3 NYG
4 NE
5 AZ
6 LAC
Everyone moves down a spot and gets the player they want with NYG jumping to 3. There's too much at play for NE and AZ to move down all the way to 11 twice.
This is essentially the scenario NYG is competing against
RE: A somewhat wild and concerning rumor from D Jeremiah
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
10:02 AM · Apr 25, 2024
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If it's true that the Pats are willing to move out of 3 but don't want to go as low as 6, that tells me 2 things:
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
What would be the purpose to trade to three? NE wouldn't trade with the giants if we wanted the same QB as them. And NE won't realistically trade down too far and miss their QB.
RE: RE: RE: A somewhat wild and concerning rumor from D Jeremiah
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
10:02 AM · Apr 25, 2024
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If that is a possibility a much easier trade to execute would be
3 NYG
4 NE
5 AZ
6 LAC
Everyone moves down a spot and gets the player they want with NYG jumping to 3. There's too much at play for NE and AZ to move down all the way to 11 twice.
This is essentially the scenario NYG is competing against
How does MN pay for all of that though? Remember, this year's 23 is really just a reallocation of their second round picks for this year and next. They have to find a way to convince Chargers move back from 5 to 11 and still have to pay NE and Az, both of which have alternatives to deal with us.
So it's possible for them, but they'll need to mortgage a lot.
If it's true that the Pats are willing to move out of 3 but don't want to go as low as 6, that tells me 2 things:
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
To box out the Vikings from trying to complete the same deal by involving the Chargers too.
RE: The way I read Rico's report, plus what's in media is...
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
This is a dangerous game being played out here.
Maybe this is smoke from the Giants - putting it in NE head that if they trade with Minny for 11/23, they won't be able to get JJM
If it's true that the Pats are willing to move out of 3 but don't want to go as low as 6, that tells me 2 things:
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
This
RE: The way I read Rico's report, plus what's in media is...
It's been out there in the media that Az won't make a trade until they are on the clock. So I ask myself, why would they wait? They aren't waiting for someone to fall for their sake, so it has to be they have a potential deal but is contingent on the partner's QB being there. This is 100% consistent with what Rico was reporting about NYG having a deal lined up with Az for Daniels or Maye.
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
This is a dangerous game being played out here.
Trades virtually never happen before a team is on the clock, for two reasons, the team trading up wants to be sure the player they want is available, and the team trading down might have someone fall into their laps that they would want to stay in place and take.
What he said does not mean the parameters of a deal are not in place. As an example, Schoen had last year's deal with Jax worked out ahead of time, and had a deal worked out with Buffalo if the player they wanted wasn't there and they decided to trade down.
If it's true that the Pats are willing to move out of 3 but don't want to go as low as 6, that tells me 2 things:
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
To box out the Vikings from trying to complete the same deal by involving the Chargers too.
any of the 2025 draft capital for QB3/QB4. Both Maye/JJM are crap shoots at this point. Stay at 6 and see how is left standing.
Any player is a crap shoot. If the Giants have 4 QB's with 1st Round grades (among their 15) and then a large drop off it makes absolute sense to try and get one even if it means trading up. Arizona and/or Los Angeles have shown a willingness to trade down while Minnesota and Denver have been looking to trade up.
Nothing good comes from any public disclosure of confidential information. Also, with the uptick in NYG chatter, I am wondering whether Schoen, realizing he can’t plug the leaks, has turned to burying the truth in a flood of them. Tinfoil hat bonus conjecture, I have always wondered whether Schoen used a canary trap on Chris Pettit to get the ok to fire him despite talking about continuing to work with him at his post draft presser. Pettit was gone a few days after that presser; it was abrupt.
Nothing good comes from any public disclosure of confidential information. Also, with the uptick in NYG chatter, I am wondering whether Schoen, realizing he can’t plug the leaks, has turned to burying the truth in a flood of them. Tinfoil hat bonus conjecture, I have always wondered whether Schoen used a canary trap on Chris Pettit to get the ok to fire him despite talking about continuing to work with him at his post draft presser. Pettit was gone a few days after that presser; it was abrupt.
Actually, they have been pretty gabby this year. Some of the older ones have been more quiet, but we've received a ton of updates.
The Giants are serious about the QBs, and if they have the opportunity to trade up for Drake Maye, they will try. But the cost is high and some in the organization don't want to pay the price when they can stay put and build around Daniel Jones. They might think about J.J. McCarthy here, but in the end they'll take the receiver some think is the most explosive in this draft. Nabers will instantly be the No. 1 receiver Jones has never had and will draw some comparisons to another explosive LSU receiver the Giants had a few years ago. –Vacchiano
-Hoping ownership doesn't back off on the price and this is just posturing. To get outbid for Maye would be unacceptable in my eyes.
The Giants are serious about the QBs, and if they have the opportunity to trade up for Drake Maye, they will try. But the cost is high and some in the organization don't want to pay the price when they can stay put and build around Daniel Jones. They might think about J.J. McCarthy here, but in the end they'll take the receiver some think is the most explosive in this draft. Nabers will instantly be the No. 1 receiver Jones has never had and will draw some comparisons to another explosive LSU receiver the Giants had a few years ago. –Vacchiano
-Hoping ownership doesn't back off on the price and this is just posturing. To get outbid for Maye would be unacceptable in my eyes.
The way this is worded doesn't make complete sense. The draft starts in hours. The Giants know their price. If it goes beyond that, I could see them standing pat.
LOL nope!! If I could find out right now I gladly would and still watch the draft tonight.
I need more news.... :)
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
This is a dangerous game being played out here.
My gut tells me that hasn't changed.
The wild card to me is McCarthy because things may have changed between then and now.
Nope, I'm an "open my presents before Christmas" guy
You deal for 4 now and the perception is you settled for the last remaining QB
You deal on clock and you traded up for “your guy”
This magical conviction that everyone wants
My gut tells me that hasn't changed.
The wild card to me is McCarthy because things may have changed between then and now.
If I had to guess, further evaluation of McCarthy when focusing solely on him revealed that there was not as much of a difference between the two as originally suspected. Reminds me of Ernie Accorsi saying that they had Ben Roethlisberger close enough to Eli Manning that they were not going to trade up unless it made sense to do so.
Changed, or perhaps just come to light. JS has mentioned keeping things close to the vest and so perhaps JJM was always a "fallback" option at #6 and thus not a player they'd want to have out there that they liked. As it became more apparent though that others may jump #6 for JJM it becomes less of a need to hide interest.
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
This is a dangerous game being played out here.
You mean NYG?
Just because they have a preference for one over the other doesn’t mean they dont like the others
You may recall initial word on McCarthy was that he came due to Giants & Raiders informing his agent they have a first round grade on him
Yes. Computers off until the Giants pick is done once the draft starts.
@RobiWittmore
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Pats-Cards-Giants deal picked up momentum overnight. Seems like fate of pick No. 3 won’t be decided until New England on clock. Strap in.
-Rickey going from Giants likely going McCarthy (though preferring Maye) to moving into position for QB (either or)
-LPG saying he believes Giants going QB
Personally, I don't think JJM is can't miss prospect, but he's certainly younger, cheaper, less damaged, and a more accomplished prospect than Jones.
I don't want the Giants to spend Manning assets to get him, but a reasonable trade is a good bet.
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It's been out there in the media that Az won't make a trade until they are on the clock. So I ask myself, why would they wait? They aren't waiting for someone to fall for their sake, so it has to be they have a potential deal but is contingent on the partner's QB being there. This is 100% consistent with what Rico was reporting about NYG having a deal lined up with Az for Daniels or Maye.
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
This is a dangerous game being played out here.
You mean NYG?
No, Arizona has said they won't be making any trades until they are on the clock. The obvious reason is because they have a tentative deal in place but is contingent on a specific player being there. That jives with what Rico said about having a tentative deal with them for Daniels or Maye.
NYG 3, Pats 4 and Cards 6 seems like a very real possibility right now
My gut tells me that hasn't changed.
The wild card to me is McCarthy because things may have changed between then and now.
Maye is a better fit for NY because the armchair media has already seeded the fields for JJ to be the "reach" which will sink him if he's not instantly successful when he sees the field.
NY is a terrible place to start your career.
Maye is a better fit for NY because the armchair media has already seeded the fields for JJ to be the "reach" which will sink him if he's not instantly successful when he sees the field.
NY is a terrible place to start your career.
Maye has 'arm arrogance'
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
10:02 AM · Apr 25, 2024
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In comment 16485543 UberAlias said:
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It's been out there in the media that Az won't make a trade until they are on the clock. So I ask myself, why would they wait? They aren't waiting for someone to fall for their sake, so it has to be they have a potential deal but is contingent on the partner's QB being there. This is 100% consistent with what Rico was reporting about NYG having a deal lined up with Az for Daniels or Maye.
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
This is a dangerous game being played out here.
You mean NYG?
No, Arizona has said they won't be making any trades until they are on the clock. The obvious reason is because they have a tentative deal in place but is contingent on a specific player being there. That jives with what Rico said about having a tentative deal with them for Daniels or Maye.
He was pointing out you made a typo and said NYJ lol
NYG 3, Pats 4 and Cards 6 seems like a very real possibility right now
If we can believe the AZ/NYG trade has been accepted perhaps Schoen goes to NE with that trade as proof of AZ accepting it, trade to 3 and the NE executes the trade with AZ that NYG negotiated.
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
10:02 AM · Apr 25, 2024
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If that is a possibility a much easier trade to execute would be
3 NYG
4 NE
5 AZ
6 LAC
Everyone moves down a spot and gets the player they want with NYG jumping to 3. There's too much at play for NE and AZ to move down all the way to 11 twice.
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
10:02 AM · Apr 25, 2024
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This is so crazy that it just might happen!
Quote:
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
10:02 AM · Apr 25, 2024
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If that is a possibility a much easier trade to execute would be
3 NYG
4 NE
5 AZ
6 LAC
Everyone moves down a spot and gets the player they want with NYG jumping to 3. There's too much at play for NE and AZ to move down all the way to 11 twice.
This is essentially the scenario NYG is competing against
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
10:02 AM · Apr 25, 2024
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Talk about many moving parts...lol
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
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In comment 16485639 Tom in NY said:
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Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Was asked this question- what's the wildest top 10 rumor? Here ya go:
MIN trade from 11 to 3 with NE
NE trade from 11 to 4 with AZ
AZ trade from 11 to 5 with LAC
You dizzy yet?
So it would be
3 MIN Drake
4 NE JJ
5 AZ MHJ
11 LAC ?
10:02 AM · Apr 25, 2024
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36.6K
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If that is a possibility a much easier trade to execute would be
3 NYG
4 NE
5 AZ
6 LAC
Everyone moves down a spot and gets the player they want with NYG jumping to 3. There's too much at play for NE and AZ to move down all the way to 11 twice.
This is essentially the scenario NYG is competing against
How does MN pay for all of that though? Remember, this year's 23 is really just a reallocation of their second round picks for this year and next. They have to find a way to convince Chargers move back from 5 to 11 and still have to pay NE and Az, both of which have alternatives to deal with us.
So it's possible for them, but they'll need to mortgage a lot.
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
To box out the Vikings from trying to complete the same deal by involving the Chargers too.
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
This is a dangerous game being played out here.
Maybe this is smoke from the Giants - putting it in NE head that if they trade with Minny for 11/23, they won't be able to get JJM
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
This
So the curve ball is Rico's update saying he's now been told NYJ will also take JJM. That is interesting and can be read in two ways --they either changed their mind on JJ in a favorable way, or want NE to know they can get a guy they like AND add picks.
This is a dangerous game being played out here.
Trades virtually never happen before a team is on the clock, for two reasons, the team trading up wants to be sure the player they want is available, and the team trading down might have someone fall into their laps that they would want to stay in place and take.
What he said does not mean the parameters of a deal are not in place. As an example, Schoen had last year's deal with Jax worked out ahead of time, and had a deal worked out with Buffalo if the player they wanted wasn't there and they decided to trade down.
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If it's true that the Pats are willing to move out of 3 but don't want to go as low as 6, that tells me 2 things:
1) they want one of the QBs
2) they believe that the QB that the Giants want at 3 is NOT the QB that they want.
So why should the Giants bother paying the extra freight to get to 3? Deal directly with Arizona and make the Pats take the one they want where they are.
(My actual opinion is that I don't have enough conviction in either Maye or McCarthy to sacrifice a future 1st, so I am not advocating for any trade up. I've just been reading thoughts in various places about a 3-team deal between NE/ARI/NYG and it doesn't strike me as a logical consideration for the Giants)
To box out the Vikings from trying to complete the same deal by involving the Chargers too.
Correct.
Any player is a crap shoot. If the Giants have 4 QB's with 1st Round grades (among their 15) and then a large drop off it makes absolute sense to try and get one even if it means trading up. Arizona and/or Los Angeles have shown a willingness to trade down while Minnesota and Denver have been looking to trade up.
lol
Actually, they have been pretty gabby this year. Some of the older ones have been more quiet, but we've received a ton of updates.
-Hoping ownership doesn't back off on the price and this is just posturing. To get outbid for Maye would be unacceptable in my eyes.
-Hoping ownership doesn't back off on the price and this is just posturing. To get outbid for Maye would be unacceptable in my eyes.
The way this is worded doesn't make complete sense. The draft starts in hours. The Giants know their price. If it goes beyond that, I could see them standing pat.