I suspect both LAC and AZ want Nabers or MHJ and neither are willing to move down to 11. Remember Harbaugh has never traded down in the first. There's a real chance we could get Maye for say 2025 2nd and pick 70 or 107. I'd prefer JJM, but either of them for that cost is good with me.
This compensation makes sense and provides everyone with the player they want.
I think the best idea for NYG is offer AZ pick 6 and 2025 2nd round pick to move up to pick 4. Get in position to get a QB, then offer NE pick 70 to swap places. They Get JJM we get Maye.
Otherwise offer NE 6, 70 and 2025 2nd round pick to NE to get to 3.
The Cardinals can still trade down with the Vikings and then trade up with the Chargers. I posted about this threat a week or two ago.
They could but it's much easier to go from 6 to 5 (if they indeed want Harrison badly enough) than it is from 11 to 5. They might even have Harrison and Nabers close enough that they don't care either
The Cardinals can still trade down with the Vikings and then trade up with the Chargers. I posted about this threat a week or two ago.
I don't think Harbaugh wants to move down for the first time when he has the chance at 2 all pro potential wr prospects. I really think the Vikings are boxed out.
The Cardinals can still trade down with the Vikings and then trade up with the Chargers. I posted about this threat a week or two ago.
They could but it's much easier to go from 6 to 5 (if they indeed want Harrison badly enough) than it is from 11 to 5. They might even have Harrison and Nabers close enough that they don't care either
Adding to this, that would mean JJ is there at 6. After that interview yesterday, maybe JJ knows something we don't
The Cardinals can still trade down with the Vikings and then trade up with the Chargers. I posted about this threat a week or two ago.
Ugh, only blame yourself if that happens for all of your preaching that you don’t pick a RT top-10, which LAC are supposedly targeting.
I firmly believe both AZ and LAC want Nabers or MHJ. They are likely the two top rated players in the entire draft. Once again, Harbaugh had never traded down and LAC have 2 receivers on their roster currently. Count em, 2!
The Cardinals can still trade down with the Vikings and then trade up with the Chargers. I posted about this threat a week or two ago.
Ugh, only blame yourself if that happens for all of your preaching that you don’t pick a RT top-10, which LAC are supposedly targeting.
I firmly believe both AZ and LAC want Nabers or MHJ. They are likely the two top rated players in the entire draft. Once again, Harbaugh had never traded down and LAC have 2 receivers on their roster currently. Count em, 2!
They have Palmer, Johnson, Derius Davis and Fehoko (non-factor). It's not so dire that they can't wait until the 2nd round. At 37 there should be some good options
So my guess is, a slight trade back with the Giants is still the most sensible move for either. So if the Pats pass on Maye, then it would seem that the trade up from us to either four or five to get him would not have to include our 2025 first round pick.
The idea that a North Carolina Tar Heel could again be the savior of this franchise is beginning to actually feel possible. The ten minutes the Pats are on the clock tonight will be interminable.
Hard to say. Minnesota will likely offer #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year. Schoen would have to offer #6, #47, and our #1 next year to compete with that, which he might unfortunately do. But if he does, I think Arizona would take that offer.
And we are looking at Nabers or Harrison if we don’t put together a huge package just to move up 2-3 spots, which might be hard for us to do.
I can totally see this happening. We get boxed out of getting one of the top four QBs. Then, the DJFC will be rejoicing tonight (unless we make another move for Penix/Nix).
I don’t care. Oh no, I stay at 6 and and draft an elite prospect at a premium position and don’t have to give away valuable draft capital. Unclutch the pearls boys, we can’t lose here.
Bears trade up for MHjr we get #9...and unless 7 and 8 picks are both Nabers and Odunze...we would probably get one of the top WR's a ton of extra draft capital.
Doesn't sound like this is set in stone, one way or the other, and also mentions could trade down. Maybe MINN, or someone else, goes to 3 to get Maye and NE is comfortable taking one of Nix/Penix with extra picks.
Most, if not all of Ricky's other tweets have been more definitively worded using "will be signing an extension", etc. Wouldn't be surprised to see Pats take JJM at 3, also still wouldn't be surprised to see Maye or a trade back.
who say no way, I mentioned a few years ago that the Cowboys and Eagles could screw us with DeVonta Smith. I was told that was ridiculous.
Don't we have asshats saying we've got a deal in place with AZ? If that's the case, I'd imagine the Vikes need to get to 5 before they can feasibly talk with the Cards. I'd think it'd be difficult to have a season like the Cards just had and move off of a blue chip WR.
who say no way, I mentioned a few years ago that the Cowboys and Eagles could screw us with DeVonta Smith. I was told that was ridiculous.
Don't we have asshats saying we've got a deal in place with AZ? If that's the case, I'd imagine the Vikes need to get to 5 before they can feasibly talk with the Cards. I'd think it'd be difficult to have a season like the Cards just had and move off of a blue chip WR.
I haven't seen it unless you mean that stars and stripes thread about the possible 3-way deal. I don't think it was ever said it was consummated.
I don’t care. Oh no, I stay at 6 and and draft an elite prospect at a premium position and don’t have to give away valuable draft capital. Unclutch the pearls boys, we can’t lose here.
There is a ton to lose. If Maye becomes a good or even great NFL QB and they missed out on him...that is a massive loss.
is going to cost next year's #1. and that's the STARTING point.
I would bet 2 bottles of scotch, that Schoen and Wolfe are throwing around compensation right now.
who say no way, I mentioned a few years ago that the Cowboys and Eagles could screw us with DeVonta Smith. I was told that was ridiculous.
Don't we have asshats saying we've got a deal in place with AZ? If that's the case, I'd imagine the Vikes need to get to 5 before they can feasibly talk with the Cards. I'd think it'd be difficult to have a season like the Cards just had and move off of a blue chip WR.
I haven't seen it unless you mean that stars and stripes thread about the possible 3-way deal. I don't think it was ever said it was consummated.
who say no way, I mentioned a few years ago that the Cowboys and Eagles could screw us with DeVonta Smith. I was told that was ridiculous.
Don't we have asshats saying we've got a deal in place with AZ? If that's the case, I'd imagine the Vikes need to get to 5 before they can feasibly talk with the Cards. I'd think it'd be difficult to have a season like the Cards just had and move off of a blue chip WR.
I haven't seen it unless you mean that stars and stripes thread about the possible 3-way deal. I don't think it was ever said it was consummated.
Rico said he heard deal was in place for 4 in the Pretty ricky thread
Bears trade up for MHjr we get #9...and unless 7 and 8 picks are both Nabers and Odunze...we would probably get one of the top WR's a ton of extra draft capital.
So all is not lost.
Assuming Maye is taken, if MHJ is available when the Giants select and Schoen doesn't run to the podium to take him he should be fired on the spot.
who say no way, I mentioned a few years ago that the Cowboys and Eagles could screw us with DeVonta Smith. I was told that was ridiculous.
Don't we have asshats saying we've got a deal in place with AZ? If that's the case, I'd imagine the Vikes need to get to 5 before they can feasibly talk with the Cards. I'd think it'd be difficult to have a season like the Cards just had and move off of a blue chip WR.
I haven't seen it unless you mean that stars and stripes thread about the possible 3-way deal. I don't think it was ever said it was consummated.
Rico is one of the few I trust. This is from the JJM thread last night:
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It sounds like we have some deal in place with Arizona to move up to 4. At first it was only for Maye or Daniels, but today my source mentioned JJ as a possibility.
Two years ago it seemed like Thibs was off our board, but then my source said he was on our board in the final 24 hours before the draft. This may be a similar situation.
The Cardinals can still trade down with the Vikings and then trade up with the Chargers. I posted about this threat a week or two ago.
Ugh, only blame yourself if that happens for all of your preaching that you don’t pick a RT top-10, which LAC are supposedly targeting.
I firmly believe both AZ and LAC want Nabers or MHJ. They are likely the two top rated players in the entire draft. Once again, Harbaugh had never traded down and LAC have 2 receivers on their roster currently. Count em, 2!
They have Palmer, Johnson, Derius Davis and Fehoko (non-factor). It's not so dire that they can't wait until the 2nd round. At 37 there should be some good options
At 37 they are likely looking at Mcconkey or Pearsall or Franklin. I think Leggette goes to Carolina. There will be a heavy run on receivers. They could get Seumalia or Morgan at 37, much better than receiver options at 37 compared to Nabers or MHJ.
The Cardinals can still trade down with the Vikings and then trade up with the Chargers. I posted about this threat a week or two ago.
That's why it's better to get to 3 and be done with it.
Can we?
I've no idea. Sounds like they're trying but nothing is certain right now.
I'd love it if NE took Maye at 3 and we could get JJM for a reasonable deal with AZ. I'm thinking if Maye is there then the Vikings will drive the price up a lot more. Plus, I like JJM more. Nevertheless, I see NE taking JJM at 3 and we will have to pay more for pick 4 unless we somehow get pick 4 then swap with NE like the 2 step trade or 3 team trade scenario.
whoops, sorry Eric, didn't mean to just repost everything everyone else said.
Definitely understand, and from having been made to be the chump in several different years (the Eli Apple and Toney fiascos come to mind) I'm gun shy on hoping for things to break our way when telegraphing our wants, I'd just imagine the Vikings would have to either have the trade up to 5 done before AZ is on the clock, or it'd have to be a 3 team trade. I don't think AZ wants to lose out on all of the big 3 WR prospects, and at 11 I think they would.
That said, the Vikings brass have likely already had to sit with and stomach the fact that they're going to pay an obscene amount to get in position to get Maye, so the 11th hour add-in that usually pushes these types of trades over the line may be more than what the Giants have to offer.
in January of 2023 that there would be a chance that the Giants would draft Drake Maye in 2024 -- and that I'd actually have mixed feelings about that chance -- I'd have referred that person to a CAT scan.
Yeah, he did say "sounds like we have a deal in place."
However, what if it isn't McCarthy who is there at 4 but Maye? Can the Vikings still outbid us?
Agreed and I'm with you. I think there is a very strong possibility that the Vikings outbid us. I could very easily see a trade where Minnesota, LAC and Arizona have a three-way trade where Minnesota trades 11, 23 a 2025 1st rounder and 2025 third rounder to Arizona, then Arizona trades 11, 23 and the 2025 first rounder to LAC to get back to 5.
Thats why, in my mind, you need to get to #3 and be done with it unless the asking price is too exorbanant
who say no way, I mentioned a few years ago that the Cowboys and Eagles could screw us with DeVonta Smith. I was told that was ridiculous.
I understand your point. As an aside, they did not screw us. We screwed ourselves. We could have either taken Parsons (who is better than Smith) or made the trade we did and taken Darishaw rather than Toney and Wilson over Neal. My point is "so what, if someone overpays to move around. Its how we react that is most important". We have a bad track record in that regard (Toney, Apple).
The Boston beats have been talking up JJM for weeks.
who say no way, I mentioned a few years ago that the Cowboys and Eagles could screw us with DeVonta Smith. I was told that was ridiculous.
I understand your point. As an aside, they did not screw us. We screwed ourselves. We could have either taken Parsons (who is better than Smith) or made the trade we did and taken Darishaw rather than Toney and Wilson over Neal. My point is "so what, if someone overpays to move around. Its how we react that is most important". We have a bad track record in that regard (Toney, Apple).
This. If the Vikings trade up for one of the QBs Schoen will have a plan B. DG was just a terrible GM.
They can't trade to 11, if Kraft doesn't get JJM and he looks great with Minnesota which he likely would then Wolf is fired on the spot.
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I suspect both LAC and AZ want Nabers or MHJ and neither are willing to move down to 11. Remember Harbaugh has never traded down in the first. There's a real chance we could get Maye for say 2025 2nd and pick 70 or 107. I'd prefer JJM, but either of them for that cost is good with me.
This compensation makes sense and provides everyone with the player they want.
I think the best idea for NYG is offer AZ pick 6 and 2025 2nd round pick to move up to pick 4. Get in position to get a QB, then offer NE pick 70 to swap places. They Get JJM we get Maye.
Otherwise offer NE 6, 70 and 2025 2nd round pick to NE to get to 3.
They could but it's much easier to go from 6 to 5 (if they indeed want Harrison badly enough) than it is from 11 to 5. They might even have Harrison and Nabers close enough that they don't care either
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Tom Curran posted 3 minutes before this tweet that he expects the Pats to take Maye at 3 unless a team makes them an offer they can't refuse.
That’s what I’d expect a team who wants to take JJM to say
Yeah, bullshit on a shingle Kraft. And your gluten free Mac N Cheese is terrible.
I don't think Harbaugh wants to move down for the first time when he has the chance at 2 all pro potential wr prospects. I really think the Vikings are boxed out.
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The Cardinals can still trade down with the Vikings and then trade up with the Chargers. I posted about this threat a week or two ago.
They could but it's much easier to go from 6 to 5 (if they indeed want Harrison badly enough) than it is from 11 to 5. They might even have Harrison and Nabers close enough that they don't care either
Adding to this, that would mean JJ is there at 6. After that interview yesterday, maybe JJ knows something we don't
Ugh, only blame yourself if that happens for all of your preaching that you don’t pick a RT top-10, which LAC are supposedly targeting.
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The Cardinals can still trade down with the Vikings and then trade up with the Chargers. I posted about this threat a week or two ago.
Ugh, only blame yourself if that happens for all of your preaching that you don’t pick a RT top-10, which LAC are supposedly targeting.
I firmly believe both AZ and LAC want Nabers or MHJ. They are likely the two top rated players in the entire draft. Once again, Harbaugh had never traded down and LAC have 2 receivers on their roster currently. Count em, 2!
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The Cardinals can still trade down with the Vikings and then trade up with the Chargers. I posted about this threat a week or two ago.
Ugh, only blame yourself if that happens for all of your preaching that you don’t pick a RT top-10, which LAC are supposedly targeting.
I firmly believe both AZ and LAC want Nabers or MHJ. They are likely the two top rated players in the entire draft. Once again, Harbaugh had never traded down and LAC have 2 receivers on their roster currently. Count em, 2!
They have Palmer, Johnson, Derius Davis and Fehoko (non-factor). It's not so dire that they can't wait until the 2nd round. At 37 there should be some good options
The idea that a North Carolina Tar Heel could again be the savior of this franchise is beginning to actually feel possible. The ten minutes the Pats are on the clock tonight will be interminable.
Hard to say. Minnesota will likely offer #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year. Schoen would have to offer #6, #47, and our #1 next year to compete with that, which he might unfortunately do. But if he does, I think Arizona would take that offer.
It's possible, but it would be extremely risky.
I can totally see this happening. We get boxed out of getting one of the top four QBs. Then, the DJFC will be rejoicing tonight (unless we make another move for Penix/Nix).
We screwed ourselves..
Wonder if a Giants CHI trade is in the cards.
Bears trade up for MHjr we get #9...and unless 7 and 8 picks are both Nabers and Odunze...we would probably get one of the top WR's a ton of extra draft capital.
So all is not lost.
Most, if not all of Ricky's other tweets have been more definitively worded using "will be signing an extension", etc. Wouldn't be surprised to see Pats take JJM at 3, also still wouldn't be surprised to see Maye or a trade back.
That means the Giants either have to overpay for Maye or they lose out on the QBs altogether.
Don't we have asshats saying we've got a deal in place with AZ? If that's the case, I'd imagine the Vikes need to get to 5 before they can feasibly talk with the Cards. I'd think it'd be difficult to have a season like the Cards just had and move off of a blue chip WR.
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who say no way, I mentioned a few years ago that the Cowboys and Eagles could screw us with DeVonta Smith. I was told that was ridiculous.
Don't we have asshats saying we've got a deal in place with AZ? If that's the case, I'd imagine the Vikes need to get to 5 before they can feasibly talk with the Cards. I'd think it'd be difficult to have a season like the Cards just had and move off of a blue chip WR.
I haven't seen it unless you mean that stars and stripes thread about the possible 3-way deal. I don't think it was ever said it was consummated.
There is a ton to lose. If Maye becomes a good or even great NFL QB and they missed out on him...that is a massive loss.
I would bet 2 bottles of scotch, that Schoen and Wolfe are throwing around compensation right now.
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who say no way, I mentioned a few years ago that the Cowboys and Eagles could screw us with DeVonta Smith. I was told that was ridiculous.
Don't we have asshats saying we've got a deal in place with AZ? If that's the case, I'd imagine the Vikes need to get to 5 before they can feasibly talk with the Cards. I'd think it'd be difficult to have a season like the Cards just had and move off of a blue chip WR.
I haven't seen it unless you mean that stars and stripes thread about the possible 3-way deal. I don't think it was ever said it was consummated.
Rico said last night.
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who say no way, I mentioned a few years ago that the Cowboys and Eagles could screw us with DeVonta Smith. I was told that was ridiculous.
Don't we have asshats saying we've got a deal in place with AZ? If that's the case, I'd imagine the Vikes need to get to 5 before they can feasibly talk with the Cards. I'd think it'd be difficult to have a season like the Cards just had and move off of a blue chip WR.
I haven't seen it unless you mean that stars and stripes thread about the possible 3-way deal. I don't think it was ever said it was consummated.
Rico said he heard deal was in place for 4 in the Pretty ricky thread
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The Cardinals can still trade down with the Vikings and then trade up with the Chargers. I posted about this threat a week or two ago.
That's why it's better to get to 3 and be done with it.
Can we?
However, what if it isn't McCarthy who is there at 4 but Maye? Can the Vikings still outbid us?
Wonder if a Giants CHI trade is in the cards.
Bears trade up for MHjr we get #9...and unless 7 and 8 picks are both Nabers and Odunze...we would probably get one of the top WR's a ton of extra draft capital.
So all is not lost.
Assuming Maye is taken, if MHJ is available when the Giants select and Schoen doesn't run to the podium to take him he should be fired on the spot.
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who say no way, I mentioned a few years ago that the Cowboys and Eagles could screw us with DeVonta Smith. I was told that was ridiculous.
Don't we have asshats saying we've got a deal in place with AZ? If that's the case, I'd imagine the Vikes need to get to 5 before they can feasibly talk with the Cards. I'd think it'd be difficult to have a season like the Cards just had and move off of a blue chip WR.
I haven't seen it unless you mean that stars and stripes thread about the possible 3-way deal. I don't think it was ever said it was consummated.
Rico is one of the few I trust. This is from the JJM thread last night:
Rico : 4/24/2024 9:43 pm : link : reply
It sounds like we have some deal in place with Arizona to move up to 4. At first it was only for Maye or Daniels, but today my source mentioned JJ as a possibility.
Two years ago it seemed like Thibs was off our board, but then my source said he was on our board in the final 24 hours before the draft. This may be a similar situation.
Obviously nothings done until it's done, but...
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The Cardinals can still trade down with the Vikings and then trade up with the Chargers. I posted about this threat a week or two ago.
Ugh, only blame yourself if that happens for all of your preaching that you don’t pick a RT top-10, which LAC are supposedly targeting.
I firmly believe both AZ and LAC want Nabers or MHJ. They are likely the two top rated players in the entire draft. Once again, Harbaugh had never traded down and LAC have 2 receivers on their roster currently. Count em, 2!
They have Palmer, Johnson, Derius Davis and Fehoko (non-factor). It's not so dire that they can't wait until the 2nd round. At 37 there should be some good options
At 37 they are likely looking at Mcconkey or Pearsall or Franklin. I think Leggette goes to Carolina. There will be a heavy run on receivers. They could get Seumalia or Morgan at 37, much better than receiver options at 37 compared to Nabers or MHJ.
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The Cardinals can still trade down with the Vikings and then trade up with the Chargers. I posted about this threat a week or two ago.
That's why it's better to get to 3 and be done with it.
Can we?
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The Cardinals can still trade down with the Vikings and then trade up with the Chargers. I posted about this threat a week or two ago.
That's why it's better to get to 3 and be done with it.
Can we?
I've no idea. Sounds like they're trying but nothing is certain right now.
I'd love it if NE took Maye at 3 and we could get JJM for a reasonable deal with AZ. I'm thinking if Maye is there then the Vikings will drive the price up a lot more. Plus, I like JJM more. Nevertheless, I see NE taking JJM at 3 and we will have to pay more for pick 4 unless we somehow get pick 4 then swap with NE like the 2 step trade or 3 team trade scenario.
Definitely understand, and from having been made to be the chump in several different years (the Eli Apple and Toney fiascos come to mind) I'm gun shy on hoping for things to break our way when telegraphing our wants, I'd just imagine the Vikings would have to either have the trade up to 5 done before AZ is on the clock, or it'd have to be a 3 team trade. I don't think AZ wants to lose out on all of the big 3 WR prospects, and at 11 I think they would.
That said, the Vikings brass have likely already had to sit with and stomach the fact that they're going to pay an obscene amount to get in position to get Maye, so the 11th hour add-in that usually pushes these types of trades over the line may be more than what the Giants have to offer.
However, what if it isn't McCarthy who is there at 4 but Maye? Can the Vikings still outbid us?
Agreed and I'm with you. I think there is a very strong possibility that the Vikings outbid us. I could very easily see a trade where Minnesota, LAC and Arizona have a three-way trade where Minnesota trades 11, 23 a 2025 1st rounder and 2025 third rounder to Arizona, then Arizona trades 11, 23 and the 2025 first rounder to LAC to get back to 5.
Thats why, in my mind, you need to get to #3 and be done with it unless the asking price is too exorbanant
3 QBs go first (NE has to take a QB).
Arizona will take the best WR off the board (they have tons of draft picks already and are not going down to 11 w/ MHJ sitting there).
San Diego takes the 2nd best WR or best OL.
We choose between the 3rd best WR or JJ.
This is why we would be considering trading up b/c Maye isn't going to fall past NE.
I understand your point. As an aside, they did not screw us. We screwed ourselves. We could have either taken Parsons (who is better than Smith) or made the trade we did and taken Darishaw rather than Toney and Wilson over Neal. My point is "so what, if someone overpays to move around. Its how we react that is most important". We have a bad track record in that regard (Toney, Apple).
However, what if it isn't McCarthy who is there at 4 but Maye? Can the Vikings still outbid us?
4 is checkmate on Pats because NYG would take McCarthy if Maye was gone.
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who say no way, I mentioned a few years ago that the Cowboys and Eagles could screw us with DeVonta Smith. I was told that was ridiculous.
I understand your point. As an aside, they did not screw us. We screwed ourselves. We could have either taken Parsons (who is better than Smith) or made the trade we did and taken Darishaw rather than Toney and Wilson over Neal. My point is "so what, if someone overpays to move around. Its how we react that is most important". We have a bad track record in that regard (Toney, Apple).
This. If the Vikings trade up for one of the QBs Schoen will have a plan B. DG was just a terrible GM.
My sense is the first pick for the NYG is Maye, JJ, or Penix.