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Vikings may not trade into top 4 per Russini

Darwinian : 4/25/2024 12:32 pm
and don't want to deal both 2024 first round picks.


All signs point to Vikings taking a depressing QB choice outside the top-4

Per Dianna Russini of The Athletic Minnesota is engaged in multiple bidding wars just a day ahead of the first round. The Vikings and Giants are fighting over Maye which would require a deal with the Patriots. Minnesota and Denver both have interest in McCarthy at No. 4, as well. ESPN also reported that the Vikings don't want to trade away both of their 2024 first-round picks to move up, which would be a non-starter for most teams.
All signs point to Vikings taking a depressing QB choice outside the top-4 - ( New Window )
If they aren't giving up both 1st rounders  
UberAlias : 4/25/2024 12:36 pm : link
then any deal to 3 is off the table. And I'm not sure what else they have to offer pick wise --the pick 23 they have is this year and next year's second. So they are dealing with #11 for this year but no 2 this year or next? Unless they're offering players, that sounds like they aren't really negotiating.
if true  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 12:36 pm : link
the Pats just lost a ton of leverage. Almost all of it really.
RE: if true  
Darwinian : 4/25/2024 12:38 pm : link
In comment 16486047 Eric from BBI said:
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the Pats just lost a ton of leverage. Almost all of it really.


yes. Or is it another ploy by the Vikings? Or maybe they are resigned to taking Penix at 11.
I don't trust Russini  
Sean : 4/25/2024 12:38 pm : link
48 hours ago she's saying QB is a "tough sell" for NYG. Now she's saying they're in a bidding war for Maye.
I actually think NE taking JJM is dangerous  
Sean : 4/25/2024 12:40 pm : link
That puts the Vikings back in play at 4. I'm confident that NE isn't interested in trading with MIN, not Arizona.
I wouldn't move up either...  
bw in dc : 4/25/2024 12:42 pm : link
if I'm Minnesota.

I think it's pretty easy to arrive at a decision that there is hardly a difference in overall talent/grade between JMac, Penix and Nix. So, they could sit chilly later in the round and wait on Penix or Nix.
All these guys spewing tons of misdirection and smoke  
Stars_and_stripes : 4/25/2024 12:42 pm : link
What she said is absolute horsecrap. Of course the Vikes would trade 23, it's the main reason they got the pick. At most, it would be a 'save face' report should they get outbid/boxed out by Giants.
RE: I don't trust Russini  
UConn4523 : 4/25/2024 12:42 pm : link
In comment 16486052 Sean said:
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48 hours ago she's saying QB is a "tough sell" for NYG. Now she's saying they're in a bidding war for Maye.


I don’t think she’s lying, but her info is likely just like everyone else’s - a dart throw based on whoever they are talking to.
RE: I actually think NE taking JJM is dangerous  
jvm52106 : 4/25/2024 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16486059 Sean said:
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That puts the Vikings back in play at 4. I'm confident that NE isn't interested in trading with MIN, not Arizona.


Arizona has two first rd picks already. I don't see them taking a deal to drop back to 11, even with a trade back option.. Too many moving parts there.. I think AZ would move but not more than a few spots..
RE: I actually think NE taking JJM is dangerous  
Darwinian : 4/25/2024 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16486059 Sean said:
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That puts the Vikings back in play at 4. I'm confident that NE isn't interested in trading with MIN, not Arizona.


Pats-Zona-Giants should do a 3-way where Giants land in 3, Pats land in 4 and Zona lands in 6.
Would they trade Justin Jefferson?  
tommcd66 : 4/25/2024 12:43 pm : link
use the 2nd #1 on a receiver?
RE: I actually think NE taking JJM is dangerous  
Sammo85 : 4/25/2024 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16486059 Sean said:
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That puts the Vikings back in play at 4. I'm confident that NE isn't interested in trading with MIN, not Arizona.


I don’t think so. Arizona has kind of hinted they’re not looking to trade really far back.
RE: I actually think NE taking JJM is dangerous  
Big Rick in FL : 4/25/2024 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16486059 Sean said:
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That puts the Vikings back in play at 4. I'm confident that NE isn't interested in trading with MIN, not Arizona.


I don't think the Vikings were ever as big of a threat as some on here would have you believe. It's not about them though. It's about the teams moving down. They'd be missing out on one of the few elite prospects.
I understand that everything being reported is a rumor  
arniefez : 4/25/2024 12:46 pm : link
But in my experience as a Giants fan ownership not willing to sign off on a trade while their GM is in a bidding war for a QB would be right in character. That would not surprise me at all.
The Pats don’t want to trade  
Rudy5757 : 4/25/2024 12:47 pm : link
But they will if they get a stupid offer. They are waiting for a team to be stupid. If the Giants trade away next years #1 it will be a stupid move
teams are negotiating through the press  
Essex : 4/25/2024 12:48 pm : link
Tom Curran's tweet that the Pats will take Maye unless they get an offer they can't refuse is another example of this. If you have identified a franchise QB and you literally have no QB, is there really a deal someone can sell you on to give that up? On the other hand, if you have doubts whether prospect is a franchise QB at 3, can you really just draft him and put that type of investment into him.
RE: The Pats don’t want to trade  
Big Rick in FL : 4/25/2024 12:50 pm : link
In comment 16486098 Rudy5757 said:
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But they will if they get a stupid offer. They are waiting for a team to be stupid. If the Giants trade away next years #1 it will be a stupid move


I disagree with this. I think the Pats are begging for a trade. If they loved a QB prospect they'd do the same thing the Bears/Skins have done. Tell teams thanks but no thanks.
RE: RE: I actually think NE taking JJM is dangerous  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 12:50 pm : link
In comment 16486080 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 16486059 Sean said:


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That puts the Vikings back in play at 4. I'm confident that NE isn't interested in trading with MIN, not Arizona.



I don't think the Vikings were ever as big of a threat as some on here would have you believe. It's not about them though. It's about the teams moving down. They'd be missing out on one of the few elite prospects.


Minnesota would likely have to get 5 then move up to 4 and I don't think Harbaugh wants to trade down in rd1 for the first time ever when he's in dire need of a WR and the two top rated guys on the board are WRs of which he can get one of them guaranteed.
RE: The Pats don’t want to trade  
Darwinian : 4/25/2024 12:50 pm : link
In comment 16486098 Rudy5757 said:
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But they will if they get a stupid offer. They are waiting for a team to be stupid. If the Giants trade away next years #1 it will be a stupid move


You want to pass on a potential franchise QB that Daboll loves for the next Evan Neal or Kayvon? It's stupid to overrate draft picks when you're trying to acquire a top tier QB.
If you want to believe ANYTHING that Russini says...  
Roto_Wizard : 4/25/2024 12:51 pm : link
I have some magical beans to sell you. Take everything she says with a distinct and HEAVY grain of salt.
RE: The Pats don’t want to trade  
eric2425ny : 4/25/2024 12:54 pm : link
In comment 16486098 Rudy5757 said:
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But they will if they get a stupid offer. They are waiting for a team to be stupid. If the Giants trade away next years #1 it will be a stupid move


Giving up next years #1 is a given to make that move. I don’t want them to give up the reported two additional 1’s on top of this years #6. That is dumb in my opinion and has disaster potential if the QB is a bust.
RE: If you want to believe ANYTHING that Russini says...  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 1:07 pm : link
In comment 16486125 Roto_Wizard said:
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I have some magical beans to sell you. Take everything she says with a distinct and HEAVY grain of salt.


She is supposedly crafty with how she gets her sources ;)
RE: RE: The Pats don’t want to trade  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 1:08 pm : link
In comment 16486139 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 16486098 Rudy5757 said:


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But they will if they get a stupid offer. They are waiting for a team to be stupid. If the Giants trade away next years #1 it will be a stupid move



Giving up next years #1 is a given to make that move. I don’t want them to give up the reported two additional 1’s on top of this years #6. That is dumb in my opinion and has disaster potential if the QB is a bust.


The 3 1st package is for the Vikings, not us.

And we could potentially get up to 3 without the 2025 1st if NE wants JJM at 4 it could basically be us trading pick 6, 70 and 2025 2nd for 4 then pick swap with NE so they get their guy and an extra pick. That isn't out of the realm of possibility.
Blah blah blah....  
George from PA : 4/25/2024 1:12 pm : link
I think Vikings was a non issue....when NE showed interest in JJM and Ariz wants a top WR.

The Chargers are the only concern.....as they have not shown their hand.
RE: Blah blah blah....  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 1:33 pm : link
In comment 16486191 George from PA said:
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I think Vikings was a non issue....when NE showed interest in JJM and Ariz wants a top WR.

The Chargers are the only concern.....as they have not shown their hand.


Agreed about LAC, but then Minnesota would have to trade again to 3 or 4 to secure Maye. Harbaugh has never traded down in rd1. They need a WR as bad as any NFL team and they have the two highest rated players in the draft at WR. They can get one of them. I don't see them budging either. NE loving JJM and LAC+AZ needing WR with such rare level elite WR prospects there for them really helps us in terms of Minnesota potentially getting locked out.
As  
AcidTest : 4/25/2024 1:48 pm : link
Eric said, the Patriots basically lost all of their leverage if this is true.

At this point, I would stop negotiating with the Patriots and focus on Arizona. But I wouldn't trade more than a second next year or a third this year to move up to #4, regardless of which QB is available.
RE: I don't trust Russini  
Optimus-NY : 4/25/2024 2:11 pm : link
In comment 16486052 Sean said:
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48 hours ago she's saying QB is a "tough sell" for NYG. Now she's saying they're in a bidding war for Maye.


Don't trust any of these "pundits." They're all being used. She's a nobody anyway.
RE: RE: I actually think NE taking JJM is dangerous  
Optimus-NY : 4/25/2024 2:14 pm : link
In comment 16486074 Darwinian said:
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In comment 16486059 Sean said:


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That puts the Vikings back in play at 4. I'm confident that NE isn't interested in trading with MIN, not Arizona.



Pats-Zona-Giants should do a 3-way where Giants land in 3, Pats land in 4 and Zona lands in 6.


RE: All these guys spewing tons of misdirection and smoke  
Optimus-NY : 4/25/2024 2:15 pm : link
In comment 16486067 Stars_and_stripes said:
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What she said is absolute horsecrap. Of course the Vikes would trade 23, it's the main reason they got the pick. At most, it would be a 'save face' report should they get outbid/boxed out by Giants.


+1
RE: RE: If you want to believe ANYTHING that Russini says...  
Optimus-NY : 4/25/2024 2:16 pm : link
In comment 16486177 BleedBlue46 said:
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In comment 16486125 Roto_Wizard said:


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I have some magical beans to sell you. Take everything she says with a distinct and HEAVY grain of salt.



She is supposedly crafty with how she gets her sources ;)


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