as I've repeatedly posted in multiple threads this morning, if the Pats really want Maye, they will take him. I don't think they do or they wouldn't be talking to us.
And because of that, I would not give up the farm for Maye. I don't think the Giants need to do that. And I personally wonder about the grade difference between the two quarterbacks.
in the back of my mind is this, "is this a mole hunt?"
would love it if that were the case. I have been fairly adamant at not wanting to trade up, especially if it meant farewell to the 2025 #1. And I fear it could be much, much worse than that.
The only thing that gives me hope on a better price -- why agree to anything before the Pats are on the clock and have their feet to the fire unless you think you are getting a good rate?
as I've repeatedly posted in multiple threads this morning, if the Pats really want Maye, they will take him. I don't think they do or they wouldn't be talking to us.
And because of that, I would not give up the farm for Maye. I don't think the Giants need to do that. And I personally wonder about the grade difference between the two quarterbacks.
Wouldn’t the same logic apply for JJ McCarthy & the Pats?
as I've repeatedly posted in multiple threads this morning, if the Pats really want Maye, they will take him. I don't think they do or they wouldn't be talking to us.
And because of that, I would not give up the farm for Maye. I don't think the Giants need to do that. And I personally wonder about the grade difference between the two quarterbacks.
This x 1000, if we can't get Maye for close to the same price as JJM which would I think be pick 6, 70 and 2025 2nd then fuck em at get JJM. Even if they have a preliminary deal with AZ and NE in place then the Vikings could still pull a rabbit out if there hat somehow and move up with LAC then AZ and NE, highly unlikely but anything is possible.
as I've repeatedly posted in multiple threads this morning, if the Pats really want Maye, they will take him. I don't think they do or they wouldn't be talking to us.
And because of that, I would not give up the farm for Maye. I don't think the Giants need to do that. And I personally wonder about the grade difference between the two quarterbacks.
Wouldn’t the same logic apply for JJ McCarthy & the Pats?
We are buying Bob Kraft is dictating to his organization now? After 30 years if not and winning 6 SBs?
On the Dynasty, its clear Kraft loved Bledsoe like his own kid and just paid him 100+ mil for biggest deal ever. Yet he allowed Belichick ( who was a fired HC and was 5-13 for him) to stay with Brady , a 6th rd pick who just had 2 picks vs Rams to start over Bledsoe despite weight of every one coming down on him directly
And this decision Paid off bigger than any football decision in history
Yet he is individually going to override his organization?
We are buying Bob Kraft is dictating to his organization now? After 30 years if not and winning 6 SBs?
On the Dynasty, its clear Kraft loved Bledsoe like his own kid and just paid him 100+ mil for biggest deal ever. Yet he allowed Belichick ( who was a fired HC and was 5-13 for him) to stay with Brady , a 6th rd pick who just had 2 picks vs Rams to start over Bledsoe despite weight of every one coming down on him directly
And this decision Paid off bigger than any football decision in history
Yet he is individually going to override his organization?
the Patriots want JJM they shouldn't trade with anyone, including us. Even moving to #6 means they could miss out on him. Trading with us only makes sense if they can immediately trade back up to #4, which would require a deal with AZ, they are happy with Nix or Penix, or as Sy said, they aren't taking a QB in round one.
as I've repeatedly posted in multiple threads this morning, if the Pats really want Maye, they will take him. I don't think they do or they wouldn't be talking to us.
And because of that, I would not give up the farm for Maye. I don't think the Giants need to do that. And I personally wonder about the grade difference between the two quarterbacks.
Wouldn’t the same logic apply for JJ McCarthy & the Pats?
Not if Kraft is in full bloom love with JJM.
LOL.. Kraft like the cut of JJM's jib. Translation... he is tall, handsome, and personable. He can date my daughter.
We are buying Bob Kraft is dictating to his organization now? After 30 years if not and winning 6 SBs?
On the Dynasty, its clear Kraft loved Bledsoe like his own kid and just paid him 100+ mil for biggest deal ever. Yet he allowed Belichick ( who was a fired HC and was 5-13 for him) to stay with Brady , a 6th rd pick who just had 2 picks vs Rams to start over Bledsoe despite weight of every one coming down on him directly
And this decision Paid off bigger than any football decision in history
Yet he is individually going to override his organization?
Looks like it. They don't even have a GM.
He's 82 now and making shorter term decisions. There's no long haul, even passing the team onto his son.
It seems inevitable now that the Giants will be on the board @3. My source contends though that the Giants still really like McCarthy.
Now that would be a shocker. I posited this in a thread that we would trade up to 3 for JJM, that's my prediction and I'm sticking to it. I was halfway serious, but truly felt that in my gut. I still think the go Maye at 3 and get it done for much less than predicted by passing our negotiated deal with AZ over to NE.
That means Vikings jump up and grab McCarthy. I'd rather just let NE pick whoever they want at 3, and pick the QB the Giants want at 6 (assuming NE goes non QB)
I think the NFL is headed more toward a WWF direction... that some things are orchestrated and released at their own time. It would not surprise me if . people are sitting on this.
It seems like the NFL has put an embargo on the teams and their reporters from spilling any beans. It ruins the drama of the TV show.
Remember when the first pick was announced a week before?
Hilarious. The NFL is putting an embargo on reporters who don't work for the NFL. Have people not been posting info being put out by reporters every half hour, if not sooner? Or maybe you mean "media people" who work for each teams' website and podcast? They aren't reporters, they are part of the teams' public relations department.
There have been reports for weeks the Giants were trying to get to 3. And that they were trying to get to 4. Also nothing becomes official and is announced by the teams and the league until the paperwork goes to the NFL (it's just rumors till then). That won't happen until a team is on the clock. Why? Suppose the player the Giants want gets in a car accident on the way to the draft and has a broken arm, or worse. Or, if this is a trade for 3, what if Chicago takes Daniels and Washington takes Maye? Do you think the Pats might rethink giving up 3 at that point?
As far as the No. 1 pick, do you think we don't know who it is every year Remember when Travon Walker vaulted to the top of the first round in the weeks before the 2022 draft. It was widely reported that was going to happen. And remember, the team with the No. 1 used to negotiate with the player they wanted before the draft. THAT'S why you knew who the pick was going to be. But now, with the rookie pay scale pretty much determining what everyone will get, there is no need for that. The team with the first pick knows what it's going to cost them no matter who they pick.
That means Vikings jump up and grab McCarthy. I'd rather just let NE pick whoever they want at 3, and pick the QB the Giants want at 6 (assuming NE goes non QB)
Agreed, if Schoen doesn't get this done without the 2025 1st or pick 47 then I'd much rather have JJM or Maye at 4.
It’s a mistake. There is no excuse to keep giving up picks for players.
I watched the inside draft from last year and Schoen got fleeced last year trading up one spot in the 1st round. There were no other teams looking to move up.
Don’t get fleeced again for a QB many believe needs a year before he is able to play at the NFL level.
you might want to listen to the Stapleton-Schrager podcast.
I did. I assume you're talking about Schrager being told he can only report stuff up to a certain time on Thursday so as to not hurt ratings. And you just reinforced my point. He WORKS FOR THE NFL. The NFL can tell its employees to do whatever the NFL wants them to do. Schrager's job, as he alluded to, is to generate interest so people watch the draft. And I can't really call a guy a reporter when his job is to share info about the business that employs him. He is a hybrid journalist/public relations specialist. You're also not going to hear anything from anyone else from the NFL Network in the next few hours. And the main reason is they are on site preparing to do their jobs at the NFL draft. They aren't calling around to sources right now.
The NFL can't put an embargo on reporters from any other company. First, they don't work for the NFL. I'd love to see the reaction from NFL beat reporters at major news outlets if the NFL told them they couldn't report news leading up to the draft. And any reporter who would agree to that isn't a journalist. Second, it would be ridiculous to try because a reporter who hasn't been told they are 'embargoed' might get the info and report it.
Third, and most importantly, how could you possibly enforce it? A reporter finds out two teams have a trade in place if the right player is available and reports it. What's the penalty? Is the NFL going to refuse credentials to a reporter who reports facts? Not in a million years.
The NFL surely tells teams not to disclose stuff like that in the hours leading up to the draft, but why would they disclose it anyway? Now, what happens if a friend of Mara's grandkid tells a friend, who tells another friend, who shares it with a reporter? Who are you going to penalize?
Like you and I said, nothing is ever official until the paperwork is given to the NFL. And no team is ever going to announce they have a trade before that happens.
All I can say is the longer this goes without confirmation, the more I doubt this is done.
Quote:
more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.
Cutting Daniel Jones with a post-June 1 designation?
Shitload of dead money, but saves $750,000 on the cap!
All I can say is the longer this goes without confirmation, the more I doubt this is done.
Thanks for being honest and I appreciate the response. Wish I could be optimistic about the report, but things aren't looking up then :(
However, thanks for all the tidbits. Would still love if we got a QB within the top 6, even if it's Maye (without giving up the farm).
Honestly, I'd prefer JJM at 4 if the trade costs are extreme for Maye. Either way, I don't see Schoen coming away from rd1 without a QB at this point.
We have had asshat reports for decades. We know who has good batting averages and who does not. But things change.
Honestly, as a fan, I don't believe anything until I see it confirmed.
Right now, I am operating under the assumption that nothing is done.
You guys know my history. I don't make click bait.
Thanks for the reminder. I appreciate your calm and level-headed approach. Everyone needs to wait for confirmation.
Eric's not going to post squat.
Wait until around 8:30. THEN you can have your nervous breakdown.
And because of that, I would not give up the farm for Maye. I don't think the Giants need to do that. And I personally wonder about the grade difference between the two quarterbacks.
Thanks, Ethan Hunt.
Since Gettleman's full bloom love for Daniel Jones and Barkley?
would love it if that were the case. I have been fairly adamant at not wanting to trade up, especially if it meant farewell to the 2025 #1. And I fear it could be much, much worse than that.
The only thing that gives me hope on a better price -- why agree to anything before the Pats are on the clock and have their feet to the fire unless you think you are getting a good rate?
However, thanks for all the tidbits. Would still love if we got a QB within the top 6, even if it's Maye (without giving up the farm).
This will make BBI combust - NYG trades up to 3 and takes McCarthy.
YES!
And because of that, I would not give up the farm for Maye. I don't think the Giants need to do that. And I personally wonder about the grade difference between the two quarterbacks.
Wouldn’t the same logic apply for JJ McCarthy & the Pats?
And because of that, I would not give up the farm for Maye. I don't think the Giants need to do that. And I personally wonder about the grade difference between the two quarterbacks.
This x 1000, if we can't get Maye for close to the same price as JJM which would I think be pick 6, 70 and 2025 2nd then fuck em at get JJM. Even if they have a preliminary deal with AZ and NE in place then the Vikings could still pull a rabbit out if there hat somehow and move up with LAC then AZ and NE, highly unlikely but anything is possible.
I am operating under the assumption that the Patriots don't want Maye but understand that two other teams do.
I am also operating under the assumption that the Patriots prefer McCarthy (or maybe as suggested above, they want a non-QB).
In such a scenario, they don't have a lot of leverage against us, especially if they don't want to drop down to 11.
Quote:
as I've repeatedly posted in multiple threads this morning, if the Pats really want Maye, they will take him. I don't think they do or they wouldn't be talking to us.
And because of that, I would not give up the farm for Maye. I don't think the Giants need to do that. And I personally wonder about the grade difference between the two quarterbacks.
Wouldn’t the same logic apply for JJ McCarthy & the Pats?
Not if Kraft is in full bloom love with JJM.
On the Dynasty, its clear Kraft loved Bledsoe like his own kid and just paid him 100+ mil for biggest deal ever. Yet he allowed Belichick ( who was a fired HC and was 5-13 for him) to stay with Brady , a 6th rd pick who just had 2 picks vs Rams to start over Bledsoe despite weight of every one coming down on him directly
And this decision Paid off bigger than any football decision in history
Yet he is individually going to override his organization?
1st, Wash has to pick Daniels, then Kraft has to pull the trigger. Alot of things can change from now to 8PM.
4:20 minute mark. Linked. Came out this afternoon.
Link - ( New Window )
On the Dynasty, its clear Kraft loved Bledsoe like his own kid and just paid him 100+ mil for biggest deal ever. Yet he allowed Belichick ( who was a fired HC and was 5-13 for him) to stay with Brady , a 6th rd pick who just had 2 picks vs Rams to start over Bledsoe despite weight of every one coming down on him directly
And this decision Paid off bigger than any football decision in history
Yet he is individually going to override his organization?
Looks like it. They don't even have a GM.
Oh thank God... I was in for a world of hurt if we put that one out there and got it wrong.
Quote:
In comment 16486676 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
as I've repeatedly posted in multiple threads this morning, if the Pats really want Maye, they will take him. I don't think they do or they wouldn't be talking to us.
And because of that, I would not give up the farm for Maye. I don't think the Giants need to do that. And I personally wonder about the grade difference between the two quarterbacks.
Wouldn’t the same logic apply for JJ McCarthy & the Pats?
Not if Kraft is in full bloom love with JJM.
LOL.. Kraft like the cut of JJM's jib. Translation... he is tall, handsome, and personable. He can date my daughter.
Quote:
We are buying Bob Kraft is dictating to his organization now? After 30 years if not and winning 6 SBs?
On the Dynasty, its clear Kraft loved Bledsoe like his own kid and just paid him 100+ mil for biggest deal ever. Yet he allowed Belichick ( who was a fired HC and was 5-13 for him) to stay with Brady , a 6th rd pick who just had 2 picks vs Rams to start over Bledsoe despite weight of every one coming down on him directly
And this decision Paid off bigger than any football decision in history
Yet he is individually going to override his organization?
Looks like it. They don't even have a GM.
He's 82 now and making shorter term decisions. There's no long haul, even passing the team onto his son.
Thanks for the info.
Maybe it's true that NE is going non-QB...
Now that would be a shocker. I posited this in a thread that we would trade up to 3 for JJM, that's my prediction and I'm sticking to it. I was halfway serious, but truly felt that in my gut. I still think the go Maye at 3 and get it done for much less than predicted by passing our negotiated deal with AZ over to NE.
Thank... baby... Jesus.
Quote:
more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.
Do the Pats want us to toss in Jones, too?
;)
That's a deal-breaker. For the Pats.
Don't underestimate that.
Quote:
Again, call me insane. Just something I noticed.
I think the NFL is headed more toward a WWF direction... that some things are orchestrated and released at their own time. It would not surprise me if . people are sitting on this.
It seems like the NFL has put an embargo on the teams and their reporters from spilling any beans. It ruins the drama of the TV show.
Remember when the first pick was announced a week before?
Hilarious. The NFL is putting an embargo on reporters who don't work for the NFL. Have people not been posting info being put out by reporters every half hour, if not sooner? Or maybe you mean "media people" who work for each teams' website and podcast? They aren't reporters, they are part of the teams' public relations department.
There have been reports for weeks the Giants were trying to get to 3. And that they were trying to get to 4. Also nothing becomes official and is announced by the teams and the league until the paperwork goes to the NFL (it's just rumors till then). That won't happen until a team is on the clock. Why? Suppose the player the Giants want gets in a car accident on the way to the draft and has a broken arm, or worse. Or, if this is a trade for 3, what if Chicago takes Daniels and Washington takes Maye? Do you think the Pats might rethink giving up 3 at that point?
As far as the No. 1 pick, do you think we don't know who it is every year Remember when Travon Walker vaulted to the top of the first round in the weeks before the 2022 draft. It was widely reported that was going to happen. And remember, the team with the No. 1 used to negotiate with the player they wanted before the draft. THAT'S why you knew who the pick was going to be. But now, with the rookie pay scale pretty much determining what everyone will get, there is no need for that. The team with the first pick knows what it's going to cost them no matter who they pick.
I feel this way too, but I’m no scout and an occasional college football fan.
Agreed, if Schoen doesn't get this done without the 2025 1st or pick 47 then I'd much rather have JJM or Maye at 4.
I watched the inside draft from last year and Schoen got fleeced last year trading up one spot in the 1st round. There were no other teams looking to move up.
Don’t get fleeced again for a QB many believe needs a year before he is able to play at the NFL level.
Quote:
It seems inevitable now that the Giants will be on the board @3. My source contends though that the Giants still really like McCarthy.
Oh thank God... I was in for a world of hurt if we put that one out there and got it wrong.
No worries man. Some of us are rational and appreciate your effort, right or wrong.
I did. I assume you're talking about Schrager being told he can only report stuff up to a certain time on Thursday so as to not hurt ratings. And you just reinforced my point. He WORKS FOR THE NFL. The NFL can tell its employees to do whatever the NFL wants them to do. Schrager's job, as he alluded to, is to generate interest so people watch the draft. And I can't really call a guy a reporter when his job is to share info about the business that employs him. He is a hybrid journalist/public relations specialist. You're also not going to hear anything from anyone else from the NFL Network in the next few hours. And the main reason is they are on site preparing to do their jobs at the NFL draft. They aren't calling around to sources right now.
The NFL can't put an embargo on reporters from any other company. First, they don't work for the NFL. I'd love to see the reaction from NFL beat reporters at major news outlets if the NFL told them they couldn't report news leading up to the draft. And any reporter who would agree to that isn't a journalist. Second, it would be ridiculous to try because a reporter who hasn't been told they are 'embargoed' might get the info and report it.
Third, and most importantly, how could you possibly enforce it? A reporter finds out two teams have a trade in place if the right player is available and reports it. What's the penalty? Is the NFL going to refuse credentials to a reporter who reports facts? Not in a million years.
The NFL surely tells teams not to disclose stuff like that in the hours leading up to the draft, but why would they disclose it anyway? Now, what happens if a friend of Mara's grandkid tells a friend, who tells another friend, who shares it with a reporter? Who are you going to penalize?
Like you and I said, nothing is ever official until the paperwork is given to the NFL. And no team is ever going to announce they have a trade before that happens.
Sehr gut!