hope the cost is much lower than what I said, but all I read is that NE said that since Maye would be the #1 QB in any other class, that they wanted to be compensated based on that fact. They also kept talking about a historic haul and wanting a "bag." And if they traded with us, they are now at #6, which means they might miss out on JJM. We'd have to pay more to get them to incur that risk.
hope the cost is much lower than what I said, but all I read is that NE said that since Maye would be the #1 QB in any other class, that they wanted to be compensated based on that fact. They also kept talking about a historic haul and wanting a "bag." And if they traded with us, they are now at #6, which means they might miss out on JJM. We'd have to pay more to get them to incur that risk.
Here is what I know... Eric does not want to give up a first at all and hell neither do I. He seems excited about the news so this tells me that next years 1st isn't involved much less next years and the year after that.
I'm viewing this from a fan perspective too. It's why I say verify first.
There is a real downside to sharing info early... if it's wrong, you guys will take it out on me! Also, Schoen already said they are trying to find leaks.
hope the cost is much lower than what I said, but all I read is that NE said that since Maye would be the #1 QB in any other class, that they wanted to be compensated based on that fact. They also kept talking about a historic haul and wanting a "bag." And if they traded with us, they are now at #6, which means they might miss out on JJM. We'd have to pay more to get them to incur that risk.
Generational QB.
The Pats NEED a QB. But they'll pass?
I would not let that evaluation drive up the price, Giants need to be smart.
That sounds like NE trying to simply take adavantage.
they could still lose out at "their" QB if they are sitting at #6.
We could have used our deal in place with AZ for JJM at 4 in this negotiation process. NE then could have the same deal in place with AZ essentially making this a unicorn of a 3 team trade.
I'm viewing this from a fan perspective too. It's why I say verify first.
There is a real downside to sharing info early... if it's wrong, you guys will take it out on me! Also, Schoen already said they are trying to find leaks.
I keep checking other sources. No word.
Don't worry, everyone knows things can always change. We appreciate you and BBI to the utmost
If they did this, what a colossal fuck up they did with Jones. Less than a year after signing him to $160M contract with $92M guaranteed they do a complete 180 and barf up a ton of draft capital and maybe players to get a new QB.
You might as well wipe out the memories of 2022 and 2023. You have now entered into the Twilight Zone and this is Year One of the Joe Schoen/Brian Daboll Regime. But there’s just one catch… sort of like a Black Hole. Schoen & Daboll do not get 4 years tacked on to the 2 they already vaporized. Their leash is not that long.
You might as well wipe out the memories of 2022 and 2023. You have now entered into the Twilight Zone and this is Year One of the Joe Schoen/Brian Daboll Regime. But there’s just one catch… sort of like a Black Hole. Schoen & Daboll do not get 4 years tacked on to the 2 they already vaporized. Their leash is not that long.
Jets moved from #6 to #3 in trade with the Colts. It cost the Jets 3 second-round picks.
"The team announced Saturday it acquired the No. 3 overall pick of the draft in a trade with the Indianapolis Colts. The Jets are sending their sixth, 37th and 49th overall selections in this year's draft and their second-rounder in 2019 to Indianapolis."
You might as well wipe out the memories of 2022 and 2023. You have now entered into the Twilight Zone and this is Year One of the Joe Schoen/Brian Daboll Regime. But there’s just one catch… sort of like a Black Hole. Schoen & Daboll do not get 4 years tacked on to the 2 they already vaporized. Their leash is not that long.
I gotta say, the way you make your points does crack me up.
Call me crazy, but I'm pretty damn good at reading body language.
PRIOR to the last commercial break, whenever Bautista/Ross/Garofolo were speaking about New York, they were referencing them selecting a wideout. That they didn't know how much they would be willing to move up, what sort of price tag it would take, that it takes two parties to tango.. the usual schpiel.
This last segment? When asked about the team ALL THREE were spouting that "they've heard nothing other than the team is attempting to trade up", "they have been utterly enamored with both Maye and McCarthy", etc.
and don't forget the added expenses of moving Jones. Jones starting with Maye on the bench is a pipe dream.
Most people say may needs to sit a year...he needs to work on his football and clean up stuff and to not throw him in a position to need to win games right now.
So he would be holding a clipboard.
RE: They should give up whatever the value is to get up to 3
on the chart. Nothing on top of that because it's Maye and this BS about the value of his position/potential.
He might not even be there at 3, nobody knows.
No more, no less or hard pass.
Agreed, based on Schoen knowing NE wanted JJM and having a deal in place with AZ which NE could utilize. That would equate to picks 6, 70, 107 and 2025 2nd. I hope that's what Schoen did and he was firm on this. AZ gets 2025 2nd and 107 and 6, NE gets 70 and 4, we get 3.
Jets moved from #6 to #3 in trade with the Colts. It cost the Jets 3 second-round picks.
"The team announced Saturday it acquired the No. 3 overall pick of the draft in a trade with the Indianapolis Colts. The Jets are sending their sixth, 37th and 49th overall selections in this year's draft and their second-rounder in 2019 to Indianapolis."
The Colts weren't in the QB market in 2018. Very different.
RE: @Eric - something I just noticed on NFL Network
Call me crazy, but I'm pretty damn good at reading body language.
PRIOR to the last commercial break, whenever Bautista/Ross/Garofolo were speaking about New York, they were referencing them selecting a wideout. That they didn't know how much they would be willing to move up, what sort of price tag it would take, that it takes two parties to tango.. the usual schpiel.
This last segment? When asked about the team ALL THREE were spouting that "they've heard nothing other than the team is attempting to trade up", "they have been utterly enamored with both Maye and McCarthy", etc.
Their tune changed ABRUPTLY.
Again, call me insane. Just something I noticed.
I think the NFL is headed more toward a WWF direction... that some things are orchestrated and released at their own time. It would not surprise me if . people are sitting on this.
and don't forget the added expenses of moving Jones. Jones starting with Maye on the bench is a pipe dream.
Most people say may needs to sit a year...he needs to work on his football and clean up stuff and to not throw him in a position to need to win games right now.
So he would be holding a clipboard.
I'd say more like half a year unless Lock lights it up. I presume they would cut DJ once he can pass a physical to eliminate the concern of injury guarantee and let him find a new spot asap.
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no way we did this without "giving up the farm." Multiple #1's in all likelihood. This year, next year, and probably 2026 as well.
Could feasibly be pick 70 and 4 to NE, our 2025 2nd to AZ, and we get pick 3.
So 6, 70, and 2025 2nd.... that isn't bad.
Maybe include 107, just because Schoen had all the leverage in the world knowing NE wanted JJM and having a deal in place with AZ for 4.
Unfortunately if it does happen it likely won't until the Pats are on the clock so we're all in for 6+ hours that'll feel like 2 full days of waiting
Agreed.
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Figured a trade up would happen on the clock tonight.
Unfortunately if it does happen it likely won't until the Pats are on the clock so we're all in for 6+ hours that'll feel like 2 full days of waiting
5.5 hrs sir :)
Has your source said anything about the terms?
Here is what I know... Eric does not want to give up a first at all and hell neither do I. He seems excited about the news so this tells me that next years 1st isn't involved much less next years and the year after that.
I wonder when they announce the news of the trade. Shortly? When New England is on the clock?
Oh no... I thought you knew the terms... Ugh I still think what I heard of next years 1st is a thing.
I'm viewing this from a fan perspective too. It's why I say verify first.
There is a real downside to sharing info early... if it's wrong, you guys will take it out on me! Also, Schoen already said they are trying to find leaks.
I keep checking other sources. No word.
Generational QB.
The Pats NEED a QB. But they'll pass?
I would not let that evaluation drive up the price, Giants need to be smart.
That sounds like NE trying to simply take adavantage.
We could have used our deal in place with AZ for JJM at 4 in this negotiation process. NE then could have the same deal in place with AZ essentially making this a unicorn of a 3 team trade.
I'm viewing this from a fan perspective too. It's why I say verify first.
There is a real downside to sharing info early... if it's wrong, you guys will take it out on me! Also, Schoen already said they are trying to find leaks.
I keep checking other sources. No word.
Don't worry, everyone knows things can always change. We appreciate you and BBI to the utmost
Now THAT'S funny Dave!
Both, just like with most of the asshats. Things change.
I believe he's had hits for the better part of a decade spanning 3 gms, put 2 and 2 together and id guess his source is connected directly to Mara.
"OMG! There's something else!"
He might not even be there at 3, nobody knows.
No more, no less or hard pass.
If they did this, what a colossal fuck up they did with Jones. Less than a year after signing him to $160M contract with $92M guaranteed they do a complete 180 and barf up a ton of draft capital and maybe players to get a new QB.
If you’re asking me Maye + heavier compensation vs McCarthy + little to no compensation in taking McCarthy every time.
However, if Schoen knows New England is set on McCarthy themselves that obviously changes things a great deal.
and don't forget the added expenses of moving Jones. Jones starting with Maye on the bench is a pipe dream.
For the Vikings or Giants?
My Viking friend thinks they're going to have to settle for Penix.
You might as well wipe out the memories of 2022 and 2023. You have now entered into the Twilight Zone and this is Year One of the Joe Schoen/Brian Daboll Regime. But there’s just one catch… sort of like a Black Hole. Schoen & Daboll do not get 4 years tacked on to the 2 they already vaporized. Their leash is not that long.
Potentially dumb question but why? If he's a franchise guy, then, that price is in line with what it would cost to get up there to take him.
Do you not think Maye is a franchise guy?
You might as well wipe out the memories of 2022 and 2023. You have now entered into the Twilight Zone and this is Year One of the Joe Schoen/Brian Daboll Regime. But there’s just one catch… sort of like a Black Hole. Schoen & Daboll do not get 4 years tacked on to the 2 they already vaporized. Their leash is not that long.
We get MS. You keep harping on this.
"The team announced Saturday it acquired the No. 3 overall pick of the draft in a trade with the Indianapolis Colts. The Jets are sending their sixth, 37th and 49th overall selections in this year's draft and their second-rounder in 2019 to Indianapolis."
Agreed.
You might as well wipe out the memories of 2022 and 2023. You have now entered into the Twilight Zone and this is Year One of the Joe Schoen/Brian Daboll Regime. But there’s just one catch… sort of like a Black Hole. Schoen & Daboll do not get 4 years tacked on to the 2 they already vaporized. Their leash is not that long.
I gotta say, the way you make your points does crack me up.
PRIOR to the last commercial break, whenever Bautista/Ross/Garofolo were speaking about New York, they were referencing them selecting a wideout. That they didn't know how much they would be willing to move up, what sort of price tag it would take, that it takes two parties to tango.. the usual schpiel.
This last segment? When asked about the team ALL THREE were spouting that "they've heard nothing other than the team is attempting to trade up", "they have been utterly enamored with both Maye and McCarthy", etc.
Their tune changed ABRUPTLY.
Again, call me insane. Just something I noticed.
But what is your coach says, "I can make him a top 10 QB."
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and a day 2 pick for Maye is a mistake
Potentially dumb question but why? If he's a franchise guy, then, that price is in line with what it would cost to get up there to take him.
Do you not think Maye is a franchise guy?
It is an overpay for a QB that projects to the same (or worse) level of McCarthy
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and a day 2 pick for Maye is a mistake
and don't forget the added expenses of moving Jones. Jones starting with Maye on the bench is a pipe dream.
Most people say may needs to sit a year...he needs to work on his football and clean up stuff and to not throw him in a position to need to win games right now.
So he would be holding a clipboard.
He might not even be there at 3, nobody knows.
No more, no less or hard pass.
Agreed, based on Schoen knowing NE wanted JJM and having a deal in place with AZ which NE could utilize. That would equate to picks 6, 70, 107 and 2025 2nd. I hope that's what Schoen did and he was firm on this. AZ gets 2025 2nd and 107 and 6, NE gets 70 and 4, we get 3.
"The team announced Saturday it acquired the No. 3 overall pick of the draft in a trade with the Indianapolis Colts. The Jets are sending their sixth, 37th and 49th overall selections in this year's draft and their second-rounder in 2019 to Indianapolis."
The Colts weren't in the QB market in 2018. Very different.
PRIOR to the last commercial break, whenever Bautista/Ross/Garofolo were speaking about New York, they were referencing them selecting a wideout. That they didn't know how much they would be willing to move up, what sort of price tag it would take, that it takes two parties to tango.. the usual schpiel.
This last segment? When asked about the team ALL THREE were spouting that "they've heard nothing other than the team is attempting to trade up", "they have been utterly enamored with both Maye and McCarthy", etc.
Their tune changed ABRUPTLY.
Again, call me insane. Just something I noticed.
I think the NFL is headed more toward a WWF direction... that some things are orchestrated and released at their own time. It would not surprise me if . people are sitting on this.
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Has heard nothing new. As far as he knows, it's still Maye (in a trade up to 3) or bust.
For the Vikings or Giants?
Vikings.
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and a day 2 pick for Maye is a mistake
and don't forget the added expenses of moving Jones. Jones starting with Maye on the bench is a pipe dream.
Most people say may needs to sit a year...he needs to work on his football and clean up stuff and to not throw him in a position to need to win games right now.
So he would be holding a clipboard.
I'd say more like half a year unless Lock lights it up. I presume they would cut DJ once he can pass a physical to eliminate the concern of injury guarantee and let him find a new spot asap.