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Strahan91 : 4/25/2024 1:49 pm
"If he makes it past 6, I'd be very surprised... I know New York really likes him."
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RE: DaveInTampa  
bigblue5611 : 4/25/2024 2:48 pm : link
In comment 16486516 Eric from BBI said:
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I asked tons of questions.

I'm viewing this from a fan perspective too. It's why I say verify first.

There is a real downside to sharing info early... if it's wrong, you guys will take it out on me! Also, Schoen already said they are trying to find leaks.

I keep checking other sources. No word.


F that, share away Erik. I'll never got on someone for being wrong, sources can be wrong/misinformed (especially if the team is trying to snuff out leaks) and things are always fluid. Appreciate you sharing what you can.
I just remembered  
Scooter185 : 4/25/2024 2:48 pm : link
BBs quote about when real information starts to leak and we're within that window now

Gosh 8pm can't get here soon enough
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 2:49 pm : link
Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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As stated previously, Giants are all in on Drake Maye. They're attempting to move up to the third pick to draft their next franchise QB. Hopefully, the Daniel Jones era ends tonight. #NYGiants #NFLDraft
If NE trades out of 3  
Sy'56 : 4/25/2024 2:49 pm : link
I think it means they are passing on a round 1 QB
RE: RE: RE: RE: Giving up multiple firsts  
mphbullet36 : 4/25/2024 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16486567 BleedBlue46 said:
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and a day 2 pick for Maye is a mistake



and don't forget the added expenses of moving Jones. Jones starting with Maye on the bench is a pipe dream.



Most people say may needs to sit a year...he needs to work on his football and clean up stuff and to not throw him in a position to need to win games right now.

So he would be holding a clipboard.



I'd say more like half a year unless Lock lights it up. I presume they would cut DJ once he can pass a physical to eliminate the concern of injury guarantee and let him find a new spot asap.


Yeah my guess is Lock would start just because of the injury settlement and Giants couldn't risk that because they would need cap space to make up for whatever lack of picks they would have after the trade.

Just sayin' Maye isn't starting for a while this year...maybe at the end of the season but Daboll/Kafka will need to make sure he is ready and clean stuff up.

But he's 21 so we have time...its not like have a 24 year old sitting.
RE: RE: DaveInTampa  
stoneman : 4/25/2024 2:50 pm : link
In comment 16486568 bigblue5611 said:
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In comment 16486516 Eric from BBI said:


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I asked tons of questions.

I'm viewing this from a fan perspective too. It's why I say verify first.

There is a real downside to sharing info early... if it's wrong, you guys will take it out on me! Also, Schoen already said they are trying to find leaks.

I keep checking other sources. No word.



F that, share away Erik. I'll never got on someone for being wrong, sources can be wrong/misinformed (especially if the team is trying to snuff out leaks) and things are always fluid. Appreciate you sharing what you can.


I believe it was Rico that spilled the beans - you can defer to Rico if things break down between now and the draft - which it could.
RE: RE: RE: Giving up multiple firsts  
PetesHereNow : 4/25/2024 2:50 pm : link
In comment 16486560 Sy'56 said:
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and a day 2 pick for Maye is a mistake



Potentially dumb question but why? If he's a franchise guy, then, that price is in line with what it would cost to get up there to take him.

Do you not think Maye is a franchise guy?



It is an overpay for a QB that projects to the same (or worse) level of McCarthy


You may be right. But clearly the NYG feels there is a gap between Maye and McCarthy if they're willing to make the move to 3 to ensure Maye rather than the cheaper move of going to 4 or 5 to get McCarthy.

Just gotta hope this isn't one of those full bloom love things and it works out this time.
RE: If NE trades out of 3  
KingBlue : 4/25/2024 2:51 pm : link
In comment 16486574 Sy'56 said:
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I think it means they are passing on a round 1 QB


Lance Zierling has NE selecting Alt at 6 in his mock. (Zierling has been pretty good with his mocks).
RE: RE: 2018 draft  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 2:51 pm : link
In comment 16486563 Sy'56 said:
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Jets moved from #6 to #3 in trade with the Colts. It cost the Jets 3 second-round picks.

"The team announced Saturday it acquired the No. 3 overall pick of the draft in a trade with the Indianapolis Colts. The Jets are sending their sixth, 37th and 49th overall selections in this year's draft and their second-rounder in 2019 to Indianapolis."



The Colts weren't in the QB market in 2018. Very different.


If AZ is happy with either Nabers or MHJ as reported and if NE really wants JJM, then this could be done for pick 6, 70, 107 and 2025 2nd. AZ gets 2025 2nd, picks 107 and 6 (Nabers or MHJ), NE gets picks 70 and JJM at 4, NYG get Maye at 3.
RE: RE: If NE trades out of 3  
Sy'56 : 4/25/2024 2:52 pm : link
In comment 16486580 KingBlue said:
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In comment 16486574 Sy'56 said:


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I think it means they are passing on a round 1 QB



Lance Zierling has NE selecting Alt at 6 in his mock. (Zierling has been pretty good with his mocks).


Yes I would see Alt or one of the WRs
I have  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 2:53 pm : link
more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.
RE: I have  
crackerjack465 : 4/25/2024 2:53 pm : link
In comment 16486587 Eric from BBI said:
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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.


my heart can't take it
RE: I have  
Scooter185 : 4/25/2024 2:53 pm : link
In comment 16486587 Eric from BBI said:
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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.


I love and hate you rn Eric
What I don't understand the need for Schoen to move up to 3  
Sky King : 4/25/2024 2:53 pm : link
If he knows NE is not trading the pick and is taking JJM? Does he want to completely box out Minn?
RE: If NE trades out of 3  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16486574 Sy'56 said:
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I think it means they are passing on a round 1 QB


I don't agree personally I think they get JJM at 4 using the negotiation Schoen did to have a deal in place with AZ for JJM at 4. Kraft isn't leaving rd1 without JJM. Just my 2 cents.
RE: I have  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/25/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16486587 Eric from BBI said:
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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.


🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿.
RE: I have  
Mitty81 : 4/25/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16486587 Eric from BBI said:
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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.


Cutting Daniel Jones with a post-June 1 designation?
RE: I have  
Chris684 : 4/25/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16486587 Eric from BBI said:
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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.


I'm sitting at my desk at work constantly hitting refresh and watching the clock. I have a little more than an hour and a half until I can leave. Ugh.
Pats could say screw you trade  
Carl in CT : 4/25/2024 2:54 pm : link
3 and move down. If you are telling me our choices are then MHJR of JJM I’m taking the former.
RE: I have  
PetesHereNow : 4/25/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16486587 Eric from BBI said:
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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.


Get the Ouija board out and let's get the truth out of you, one way or another, boss.
...  
christian : 4/25/2024 2:55 pm : link
In comment 16486564 Eric from BBI said:
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Again, call me insane. Just something I noticed.

I think the NFL is headed more toward a WWF direction... that some things are orchestrated and released at their own time. It would not surprise me if . people are sitting on this.


It seems like the NFL has put an embargo on the teams and their reporters from spilling any beans. It ruins the drama of the TV show.

Remember when the first pick was announced a week before?
christian  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 2:55 pm : link
exactly
RE: RE: RE: If NE trades out of 3  
KingBlue : 4/25/2024 2:55 pm : link
In comment 16486586 Sy'56 said:
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I think it means they are passing on a round 1 QB



Lance Zierling has NE selecting Alt at 6 in his mock. (Zierling has been pretty good with his mocks).



Yes I would see Alt or one of the WRs


Taking it a step further... Perhaps the Giants wouldn't have to pay the QB tax if NE is not going QB. So they don't give up 2025 1st
Tell me a flip for  
Carl in CT : 4/25/2024 2:56 pm : link
JH from the Chargers and then I’ll go nuts.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Giving up multiple firsts  
SteelGiant : 4/25/2024 2:56 pm : link
In comment 16486577 PetesHereNow said:
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and a day 2 pick for Maye is a mistake



Potentially dumb question but why? If he's a franchise guy, then, that price is in line with what it would cost to get up there to take him.

Do you not think Maye is a franchise guy?



It is an overpay for a QB that projects to the same (or worse) level of McCarthy



You may be right. But clearly the NYG feels there is a gap between Maye and McCarthy if they're willing to make the move to 3 to ensure Maye rather than the cheaper move of going to 4 or 5 to get McCarthy.

Just gotta hope this isn't one of those full bloom love things and it works out this time.


While I understand the overall perspective that Maye and JJM could be at the same level of QB.

The question really is
Daboll/Maye = Daboll/JJM

I dont think that is true considering the difference of the players skill sets. I like both players for different reasons. I do think Maye fits better with what Daboll wants to do with his offense.
RE: What I don't understand the need for Schoen to move up to 3  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 2:56 pm : link
In comment 16486591 Sky King said:
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If he knows NE is not trading the pick and is taking JJM? Does he want to completely box out Minn?


Yes, this is the only way to box out Minn. I presume the deal Schoen had in place with AZ was if JJM was there, not Maye and AZ (and likely NE and NYG) knows Minnesota wouldn't be trading for JJM at 4. Thus, NE could have the same deal in place with AZ for JJM at 4.
I wonder if we’ll see  
leatherneck570 : 4/25/2024 2:57 pm : link
A stop to Picks being announced on X minutes before they are unveiled on TV.
RE: I have  
Roto_Wizard : 4/25/2024 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16486587 Eric from BBI said:
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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.


Do you have ANY IDEA how much the "F5" key HATES my guts right now, between this thread and Rickey?
RE: RE: DaveInTampa  
bigblue5611 : 4/25/2024 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16486568 bigblue5611 said:
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F that, share away Erik. I'll never got on someone for being wrong, sources can be wrong/misinformed (especially if the team is trying to snuff out leaks) and things are always fluid. Appreciate you sharing what you can.


Apologies on the typo in your name. I work with an Erik for work...and clearly I'm not working too hard at the moment...
RE: I have  
KennyHill48 : 4/25/2024 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16486587 Eric from BBI said:
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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.


I think its a contingency plan about which other QB we'll try to get if this trade goes sideways and/or we are locked out of the top 4 QBs.
RE: I have  
Toth029 : 4/25/2024 2:59 pm : link
In comment 16486587 Eric from BBI said:
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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.


Which brand of lotion should we get for later?
Eric, you said more stuff on the QB front  
Chris684 : 4/25/2024 2:59 pm : link
but didn't necessarily say for the Giants.

Is something going on with Herbert-McCarthy-Pats-Chargers?
I am simply going to warn  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 3:00 pm : link
everyone again... don't assume anything is true until it is verified.

We have had asshat reports for decades. We know who has good batting averages and who does not. But things change.

Honestly, as a fan, I don't believe anything until I see it confirmed.

Right now, I am operating under the assumption that nothing is done.

You guys know my history. I don't make click bait.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Giving up multiple firsts  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16486604 SteelGiant said:
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and a day 2 pick for Maye is a mistake



Potentially dumb question but why? If he's a franchise guy, then, that price is in line with what it would cost to get up there to take him.

Do you not think Maye is a franchise guy?



It is an overpay for a QB that projects to the same (or worse) level of McCarthy



You may be right. But clearly the NYG feels there is a gap between Maye and McCarthy if they're willing to make the move to 3 to ensure Maye rather than the cheaper move of going to 4 or 5 to get McCarthy.

Just gotta hope this isn't one of those full bloom love things and it works out this time.



While I understand the overall perspective that Maye and JJM could be at the same level of QB.

The question really is
Daboll/Maye = Daboll/JJM

I dont think that is true considering the difference of the players skill sets. I like both players for different reasons. I do think Maye fits better with what Daboll wants to do with his offense.


Currently I agree. Due to JJM's biggest weakness being his touch and accuracy on intermediate to deep throws which I think he can and will improve. Nevertheless, that weakness of JJM's is a strength of Maye's. Daboll's ideal offense is predicated on these types of throws.
RE: RE: @Eric - something I just noticed on NFL Network  
logman : 4/25/2024 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16486564 Eric from BBI said:
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I think the NFL is headed more toward a WWF direction... that some things are orchestrated and released at their own time. It would not surprise me if . people are sitting on this.


If you saw some of Schrager's comments with Art Stapleton, he pretty much confirmed that if they have a late scoop, sometimes they'll be subtly encouraged not share it immediately.

How soon is late?

Who knows?
RE: ...  
UberAlias : 4/25/2024 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16486573 Eric from BBI said:
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Rickey
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As stated previously, Giants are all in on Drake Maye. They're attempting to move up to the third pick to draft their next franchise QB. Hopefully, the Daniel Jones era ends tonight. #NYGiants #NFLDraft
His take gets stronger and stronger. Eyes on BBI?
RE: I am simply going to warn  
Sean : 4/25/2024 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16486615 Eric from BBI said:
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everyone again... don't assume anything is true until it is verified.

We have had asshat reports for decades. We know who has good batting averages and who does not. But things change.

Honestly, as a fan, I don't believe anything until I see it confirmed.

Right now, I am operating under the assumption that nothing is done.

You guys know my history. I don't make click bait.

Yep, I agree. Not one national or beat has this. We've got about 5.5 hours until the Pats are on the clock.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Giving up multiple firsts  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 4/25/2024 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16486604 SteelGiant said:
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In comment 16486560 Sy'56 said:


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and a day 2 pick for Maye is a mistake



Potentially dumb question but why? If he's a franchise guy, then, that price is in line with what it would cost to get up there to take him.

Do you not think Maye is a franchise guy?



It is an overpay for a QB that projects to the same (or worse) level of McCarthy



You may be right. But clearly the NYG feels there is a gap between Maye and McCarthy if they're willing to make the move to 3 to ensure Maye rather than the cheaper move of going to 4 or 5 to get McCarthy.

Just gotta hope this isn't one of those full bloom love things and it works out this time.



While I understand the overall perspective that Maye and JJM could be at the same level of QB.

The question really is
Daboll/Maye = Daboll/JJM

I dont think that is true considering the difference of the players skill sets. I like both players for different reasons. I do think Maye fits better with what Daboll wants to do with his offense.


Can anyone say to what extent Maye is clutch?
RE: Are  
mittenedman : 4/25/2024 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16486538 AcidTest said:
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any of the other "asshats" reporting this?

If they did this, what a colossal fuck up they did with Jones. Less than a year after signing him to $160M contract with $92M guaranteed they do a complete 180 and barf up a ton of draft capital and maybe players to get a new QB.


He got hurt behind a pathetic OLine, throwing to forgettable skill players. Let it go. It's time to move on, and Schoen & Daboll need to put a quality product around the QB.
RE: RE: I have  
stoneman : 4/25/2024 3:03 pm : link
In comment 16486596 Mitty81 said:
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In comment 16486587 Eric from BBI said:


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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.



Cutting Daniel Jones with a post-June 1 designation?


It has to be about Jones - hope they found a trading partner for him - there are still many QB hungry teams left. It will be Lock starting with Maye on the bench.
RE: I have  
bw in dc : 4/25/2024 3:03 pm : link
In comment 16486587 Eric from BBI said:
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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.


Do the Pats want us to toss in Jones, too?

;)
I have moved past the  
bigbluehoya : 4/25/2024 3:04 pm : link
"I want the information" stage of the process, and am now in the "I hope the information isn't true" stage.
RE: I am simply going to warn  
Roto_Wizard : 4/25/2024 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16486615 Eric from BBI said:
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everyone again... don't assume anything is true until it is verified.

We have had asshat reports for decades. We know who has good batting averages and who does not. But things change.

Honestly, as a fan, I don't believe anything until I see it confirmed.

Right now, I am operating under the assumption that nothing is done.

You guys know my history. I don't make click bait.


Eric -

Perhaps you can answer this, perhaps you can't. Have you had anyone OTHER than Rico come to you saying that the trade for 3 is done? Or is it a single insider source for the mean time?

Granted, I'd like to trust Rico and his source(s). But teams leak out bad info around now.

Trying not to get my hopes up and then get crushed.
RE: I have  
UberAlias : 4/25/2024 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16486587 Eric from BBI said:
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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.
All statues quo on what was already said, I take it?
RE: Are  
TrueBlue56 : 4/25/2024 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16486538 AcidTest said:
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any of the other "asshats" reporting this?

If they did this, what a colossal fuck up they did with Jones. Less than a year after signing him to $160M contract with $92M guaranteed they do a complete 180 and barf up a ton of draft capital and maybe players to get a new QB.


What's the worse colossal fuck up? Admitting a mistake and moving on or keep digging a hole hoping to prove you are right?

With some people, there's no winning no matter what the team does.
RE: I have moved past the  
M.S. : 4/25/2024 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16486630 bigbluehoya said:
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"I want the information" stage of the process, and am now in the "I hope the information isn't true" stage.

Too funny!!!😂
Roto_Wizard  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 3:06 pm : link
I can't get into that.

All I can say is the longer this goes without confirmation, the more I doubt this is done.
Jack Stroud must be having a bad day...  
KingBlue : 4/25/2024 3:06 pm : link
Keep him in your thoughts on this stressful day.
RE: RE: I have  
Sky King : 4/25/2024 3:06 pm : link
In comment 16486596 Mitty81 said:
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In comment 16486587 Eric from BBI said:


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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.



Cutting Daniel Jones with a post-June 1 designation?



Shitload of dead money, but saves $750,000 on the cap!
what I can confirm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 3:07 pm : link
without a doubt is the Giants are trying to get up to #3.
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