I'd love to get Maye without sacrificing the 2025 1st, but that shouldn't be a deal-breaker at all.
What happens if the Giants don't go QB this year and are stuck with a pick in the 6-10 range in 2025? Not only do you HAVE to trade up for a QB, but you're likely doing so for a prospect worse than Maye (and possibly McCarthy). Get the guy now and everything else will fall into place
Precisely. The situation people fear, we're already in that situation, a perpetual 6 win team.
RE: trading two 1st rounders for QB3/QB4 is just so desperate
Said it a million times before, but if Drake is the pick & he becomes an elite QB, no one will GAF what we gave up. Of course he could be an epic bust that costs Joe & Dabs their jobs.
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NFL Draft notes I’ve gathered after speaking with multiple team sources:
• As many teams expect a flurry of 1st-round trades, sources believe these are the teams who’ve shown the most interest in trading up: Giants, Jets, Vikings Raiders, Colts, Jaguars, Bills, Lions and Eagles. The Commanders could come back up into Round 1 as well
• Chargers still exploring trade-back options
• One GM says he expects as many as 10 OL in the 1st-round
• Indy has done a ton of work on WR, as well as corner. They also really like Brock Bowers
• Denver has tried to move up, but lacks the capital many teams covet. Teams believe they’ll have to go into future resources to trade up
I'd love to get Maye without sacrificing the 2025 1st, but that shouldn't be a deal-breaker at all.
What happens if the Giants don't go QB this year and are stuck with a pick in the 6-10 range in 2025? Not only do you HAVE to trade up for a QB, but you're likely doing so for a prospect worse than Maye (and possibly McCarthy). Get the guy now and everything else will fall into place
Precisely. The situation people fear, we're already in that situation, a perpetual 6 win team.
Valid point no doubt, and it's a surety that my downside-focused view is largely a product of having been so beaten down for the last decade.
got it. that's where I thought you were. For me, the future #1 throws everything out the window into "bad" territory. I can appreciate the point about conviction and QB-focus, just too much downside in it for me.
As I have frequently found myself doing in recent years, here's to hoping I'm dead wrong.
I'd rather sit at 6 and take the best QB available, but to me it was FAR more important that they leave this draft with a QB than with the QB I want.
What makes the draft so compelling is it's a window into the team's plans, and the actions shape the future. You could see the disaster looking when they picked Barkley, clear as day.
If they start over at QB (in a talented QB class) in the same season they dumped Barkley...that tells me we're finally seeing things with clearer eyes.
If this goes down it'll be the best day the Giants have had since Super Bowl 46, IMO.
Said it a million times before, but if Drake is the pick & he becomes an elite QB, no one will GAF what we gave up. Of course he could be an epic bust that costs Joe & Dabs their jobs.
Life is full of risks.
Preach.
What did we give up for Eli? Crickets.
How many SB MVPs did he win? TWO.
RE: Of course you trade next year's first for a QB
If your coach loves him. You guys overrate first round picks. The name of the game is to get a top 10 QB, it's not to hoard first round picks. We had TWO top 7 picks and all it got us was Neal and KT.
If Maye hits he's worth 5 first rounders.
Exactly. They did a ton of homework this season scouting these guys, if they believe in one and can get him, you do what it takes. It’s the most important position on the team, and we are a complete dumpster fire in the mud until we find an answer. Schoen and Dabs will be fired if they don’t find an answer soon.
got it. that's where I thought you were. For me, the future #1 throws everything out the window into "bad" territory. I can appreciate the point about conviction and QB-focus, just too much downside in it for me.
As I have frequently found myself doing in recent years, here's to hoping I'm dead wrong.
I'd rather sit at 6 and take the best QB available, but to me it was FAR more important that they leave this draft with a QB than with the QB I want.
What makes the draft so compelling is it's a window into the team's plans, and the actions shape the future. You could see the disaster looking when they picked Barkley, clear as day.
If they start over at QB (in a talented QB class) in the same season they dumped Barkley...that tells me we're finally seeing things with clearer eyes.
If this goes down it'll be the best day the Giants have had since Super Bowl 46, IMO.
Pretty much. But the question is, who is the QB Daboll wants? Which one does he think he can mold into a star?
Oh yeah. Justin Pugh, Ereck Flowers, Eli Apple, Evan Engram, dare I say Saquon Barkley, Daniel Jones, DeAndre Baker, Evan Neal.
I'll take our chances.
I get your point, but on the other hand, you're trading two "chances" on hitting for just one.
In five years, that list might have Maye on it (and if so, should be listed twice if they give up another first for him)
Eric... you mentined in the other thread Big QB NEWs
do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
got it. that's where I thought you were. For me, the future #1 throws everything out the window into "bad" territory. I can appreciate the point about conviction and QB-focus, just too much downside in it for me.
As I have frequently found myself doing in recent years, here's to hoping I'm dead wrong.
I'd rather sit at 6 and take the best QB available, but to me it was FAR more important that they leave this draft with a QB than with the QB I want.
What makes the draft so compelling is it's a window into the team's plans, and the actions shape the future. You could see the disaster looking when they picked Barkley, clear as day.
If they start over at QB (in a talented QB class) in the same season they dumped Barkley...that tells me we're finally seeing things with clearer eyes.
If this goes down it'll be the best day the Giants have had since Super Bowl 46, IMO.
Agreed on all points, good post. I'd also add that if they trade a lot for one guy then you gotta have faith in and appreciate that big conviction.
oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.
If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.
if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business.
they traded away their 2005 first round pick and still had a good draft with drafting Tuck and Jacobs. It can be done.
Don't leave out Webster
2. Webster
3. Tuck
4. Jacobs
Plus the monster offseason haul of Pierce, McKenzie and Burress.
Huge off season.
I remember Accorsi mentioning that off season that part of what gave them the space to be so active in free agency was not having to allot it to a first round pick.
for Patriots unless they are bowled over with an incredible offer. Also offers a small bit to at McCarthy could be a consideration if they don't take Maye but he they say is considered with a lower ceiling. Then again I doubt this station has asshats. 😊
oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.
If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.
if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business.
do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
Yes. There's no shame in missing on QB as long as other systems are progressing. Hey, maybe in 3 years the team is highly competitive and they have a chance at a QB upgrade. You do it. No shame in it. The mistake is insisting it has to be your (inferior) guy
do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
No. If Schoen and Daboll give up a ton to move up and get Maye and he busts, they're fired.
oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.
If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.Well said I totally agree
if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business.
We have bad QB play in a QB driven league, I don't see how anyone can be upset about giving up next year's 1 to get a QB. If that's the cost, then that's the cost. Get your QB and coach him. We can't continue with what we have, Schoen needs to build his own team.
If they pick a QB who is a franchise changer, the compensation doesn't
really matter. People bitched about the compensation we gave up for Eli. It didn't matter. So if this works out and we get to 3, then the only thing that will matter is if we got the guy or not. A franchise QB is basically priceless.
oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.
If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.
if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business.
That is more than "what if." Rookie QB's have generally struggled, our OL is a work in progress, and Maye's numbers are really bad under pressure compared to the other QB's speculated as 1st round picks other than Penix. This team is a lot closer to the Carolina Panthers than they are to a playoff team.
do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
No. If Schoen and Daboll give up a ton to move up and get Maye and he busts, they're fired.
I'm sure they would be. I hope they'd operate a little more wisely and understand that while the result might not have been the desired one, the method was sound.
do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
No. If Schoen and Daboll give up a ton to move up and get Maye and he busts, they're fired.
I'm sure they would be. I hope they'd operate a little more wisely and understand that while the result might not have been the desired one, the method was sound.
You can't fail twice massively on a QB and say "the method was sound"
oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.
If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.Well said I totally agree
if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business. I totally agree
do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
No. If Schoen and Daboll give up a ton to move up and get Maye and he busts, they're fired.
I'm sure they would be. I hope they'd operate a little more wisely and understand that while the result might not have been the desired one, the method was sound.
You can't fail twice massively on a QB and say "the method was sound"
The Jones failure was tied to a bigger picture push but none of you want to admit that..
oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.
If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.
if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business.
That is more than "what if." Rookie QB's have generally struggled, our OL is a work in progress, and Maye's numbers are really bad under pressure compared to the other QB's speculated as 1st round picks other than Penix. This team is a lot closer to the Carolina Panthers than they are to a playoff team.
So now you know how 2024 is going to go, how the other teams in 2024 are going to do and what QB is going to be available to the Giants at their draft spot and you already know that QB is a better fit than Maye or whoever the Giants take?
If Schoen and Daboll take Maye they believe he is their guy and they can win with him. And it's their jobs (and possibly careers) on the line.
And while he did preside over the contract I take that as a failure to manage the people above him who wanted to keep Jones. Shitcanning both Barkley and Jones (the faces of the franchise 🤮) in the same offseason hours a long way to rectifying that failure.
What's important to see now if they draft Maye, McCarthy, Penix, or whomever is that the new guy does not get the ridiculous leash Jones got. If after two years it's not looking good and they explore other QB options I think that's a huge check in Schoen's favor. That'd mean it's no longer business as usual, and jobs have to actually be earned.
bum me right the fuck out.
I really don't like spending a future 1 to move up for a Mayebe (admit it, it's chuckle-worthy) or a maybe not. If we draft a guy @ 6 and he's shit, we can draft again in Rd1 next season. What if we don't have a Rd1? QB hell. Oh well. I trust that Eric wouldn't post this without some faith in the source. Thanks for allowing me time to meditate and do some breathing exercises before it happens. You saved a TV set tonight.
do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
No. If Schoen and Daboll give up a ton to move up and get Maye and he busts, they're fired.
I'm sure they would be. I hope they'd operate a little more wisely and understand that while the result might not have been the desired one, the method was sound.
You can't fail twice massively on a QB and say "the method was sound"
Agreed. That's an asinine idea.
If they trade up big for Maye and he busts, they are done and they should be. Large extension for Jones and then this? How many chances do you think you get in the NFL?
do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
No. If Schoen and Daboll give up a ton to move up and get Maye and he busts, they're fired.
Agreed, if he traded a modest package for JJM or Maye at 4 it could be different.
What happens if the Giants don't go QB this year and are stuck with a pick in the 6-10 range in 2025? Not only do you HAVE to trade up for a QB, but you're likely doing so for a prospect worse than Maye (and possibly McCarthy). Get the guy now and everything else will fall into place
Precisely. The situation people fear, we're already in that situation, a perpetual 6 win team.
Ah, QB3 or QB4? Who said either is where YOU rate them. How do you know how the Giants rank them?
BTW, what was Josh Allen QB 3 or 4? What was Lamar, QB 5 or 6?
Life is full of risks.
@Schultz_Report
NFL Draft notes I’ve gathered after speaking with multiple team sources:
• As many teams expect a flurry of 1st-round trades, sources believe these are the teams who’ve shown the most interest in trading up: Giants, Jets, Vikings Raiders, Colts, Jaguars, Bills, Lions and Eagles. The Commanders could come back up into Round 1 as well
• Chargers still exploring trade-back options
• One GM says he expects as many as 10 OL in the 1st-round
• Indy has done a ton of work on WR, as well as corner. They also really like Brock Bowers
• Denver has tried to move up, but lacks the capital many teams covet. Teams believe they’ll have to go into future resources to trade up
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I'd love to get Maye without sacrificing the 2025 1st, but that shouldn't be a deal-breaker at all.
What happens if the Giants don't go QB this year and are stuck with a pick in the 6-10 range in 2025? Not only do you HAVE to trade up for a QB, but you're likely doing so for a prospect worse than Maye (and possibly McCarthy). Get the guy now and everything else will fall into place
Precisely. The situation people fear, we're already in that situation, a perpetual 6 win team.
Valid point no doubt, and it's a surety that my downside-focused view is largely a product of having been so beaten down for the last decade.
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we are hosed.
Oh yeah. Justin Pugh, Ereck Flowers, Eli Apple, Evan Engram, dare I say Saquon Barkley, Daniel Jones, DeAndre Baker, Evan Neal.
I'll take our chances.
That's an argument to get better scouts, not an argument to "give up the farm," especially for a QB who had a subpar 2023.
But Daboll must be saying I can make Maye great. You don't wait, you don't dither.
GoDeep said JJM still in play at 3 btw. I doubt it, but that's what he said.
got it. that's where I thought you were. For me, the future #1 throws everything out the window into "bad" territory. I can appreciate the point about conviction and QB-focus, just too much downside in it for me.
As I have frequently found myself doing in recent years, here's to hoping I'm dead wrong.
I'd rather sit at 6 and take the best QB available, but to me it was FAR more important that they leave this draft with a QB than with the QB I want.
What makes the draft so compelling is it's a window into the team's plans, and the actions shape the future. You could see the disaster looking when they picked Barkley, clear as day.
If they start over at QB (in a talented QB class) in the same season they dumped Barkley...that tells me we're finally seeing things with clearer eyes.
If this goes down it'll be the best day the Giants have had since Super Bowl 46, IMO.
Life is full of risks.
Preach.
What did we give up for Eli? Crickets.
How many SB MVPs did he win? TWO.
If Maye hits he's worth 5 first rounders.
Exactly. They did a ton of homework this season scouting these guys, if they believe in one and can get him, you do what it takes. It’s the most important position on the team, and we are a complete dumpster fire in the mud until we find an answer. Schoen and Dabs will be fired if they don’t find an answer soon.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
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got it. that's where I thought you were. For me, the future #1 throws everything out the window into "bad" territory. I can appreciate the point about conviction and QB-focus, just too much downside in it for me.
As I have frequently found myself doing in recent years, here's to hoping I'm dead wrong.
I'd rather sit at 6 and take the best QB available, but to me it was FAR more important that they leave this draft with a QB than with the QB I want.
What makes the draft so compelling is it's a window into the team's plans, and the actions shape the future. You could see the disaster looking when they picked Barkley, clear as day.
If they start over at QB (in a talented QB class) in the same season they dumped Barkley...that tells me we're finally seeing things with clearer eyes.
If this goes down it'll be the best day the Giants have had since Super Bowl 46, IMO.
Pretty much. But the question is, who is the QB Daboll wants? Which one does he think he can mold into a star?
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we are hosed.
Oh yeah. Justin Pugh, Ereck Flowers, Eli Apple, Evan Engram, dare I say Saquon Barkley, Daniel Jones, DeAndre Baker, Evan Neal.
I'll take our chances.
I get your point, but on the other hand, you're trading two "chances" on hitting for just one.
In five years, that list might have Maye on it (and if so, should be listed twice if they give up another first for him)
If this happens, the rebuild has FINALLY begun.
Good way to look at it. Though it is New York.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
Plus, we will have cap space next year with Jones off the books to make some moves...
I did, but probably won't. Contradictory reports.
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got it. that's where I thought you were. For me, the future #1 throws everything out the window into "bad" territory. I can appreciate the point about conviction and QB-focus, just too much downside in it for me.
As I have frequently found myself doing in recent years, here's to hoping I'm dead wrong.
I'd rather sit at 6 and take the best QB available, but to me it was FAR more important that they leave this draft with a QB than with the QB I want.
What makes the draft so compelling is it's a window into the team's plans, and the actions shape the future. You could see the disaster looking when they picked Barkley, clear as day.
If they start over at QB (in a talented QB class) in the same season they dumped Barkley...that tells me we're finally seeing things with clearer eyes.
If this goes down it'll be the best day the Giants have had since Super Bowl 46, IMO.
Agreed on all points, good post. I'd also add that if they trade a lot for one guy then you gotta have faith in and appreciate that big conviction.
Don't leave out Webster
2. Webster
3. Tuck
4. Jacobs
Plus the monster offseason haul of Pierce, McKenzie and Burress.
Huge off season.
fans losing their shit over next year's 1st, lol.
oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.
If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.
if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business.
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they traded away their 2005 first round pick and still had a good draft with drafting Tuck and Jacobs. It can be done.
Don't leave out Webster
2. Webster
3. Tuck
4. Jacobs
Plus the monster offseason haul of Pierce, McKenzie and Burress.
Huge off season.
I remember Accorsi mentioning that off season that part of what gave them the space to be so active in free agency was not having to allot it to a first round pick.
If AZ and gets a(our) '25 1st to move down to 6 with NE back to 4 and NE gets picks from AZ this year(they have a ton) this could make sense.
fans losing their shit over next year's 1st, lol.
oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.
If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.
if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business.
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do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
Yes. There's no shame in missing on QB as long as other systems are progressing. Hey, maybe in 3 years the team is highly competitive and they have a chance at a QB upgrade. You do it. No shame in it. The mistake is insisting it has to be your (inferior) guy
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do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
No. If Schoen and Daboll give up a ton to move up and get Maye and he busts, they're fired.
fans losing their shit over next year's 1st, lol.
oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.
If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.Well said I totally agree
if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business.
fans losing their shit over next year's 1st, lol.
oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.
If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.
if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business.
That is more than "what if." Rookie QB's have generally struggled, our OL is a work in progress, and Maye's numbers are really bad under pressure compared to the other QB's speculated as 1st round picks other than Penix. This team is a lot closer to the Carolina Panthers than they are to a playoff team.
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do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
No. If Schoen and Daboll give up a ton to move up and get Maye and he busts, they're fired.
I'm sure they would be. I hope they'd operate a little more wisely and understand that while the result might not have been the desired one, the method was sound.
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do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
No. If Schoen and Daboll give up a ton to move up and get Maye and he busts, they're fired.
I'm sure they would be. I hope they'd operate a little more wisely and understand that while the result might not have been the desired one, the method was sound.
You can't fail twice massively on a QB and say "the method was sound"
Maye is the guy who really fits Daboll's system and has a plus arm to challenge down the field..
This is the right deal, the right time...
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to get the QB you want.
fans losing their shit over next year's 1st, lol.
oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.
If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.Well said I totally agree
if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business. I totally agree
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do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
No. If Schoen and Daboll give up a ton to move up and get Maye and he busts, they're fired.
I'm sure they would be. I hope they'd operate a little more wisely and understand that while the result might not have been the desired one, the method was sound.
You can't fail twice massively on a QB and say "the method was sound"
The Jones failure was tied to a bigger picture push but none of you want to admit that..
I understand a franchise QB is small consolation for the pain you'll have to endure.
I understand a franchise QB is small consolation for the pain you'll have to endure.
Ha ha..+1
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to get the QB you want.
fans losing their shit over next year's 1st, lol.
oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.
If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.
if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business.
That is more than "what if." Rookie QB's have generally struggled, our OL is a work in progress, and Maye's numbers are really bad under pressure compared to the other QB's speculated as 1st round picks other than Penix. This team is a lot closer to the Carolina Panthers than they are to a playoff team.
So now you know how 2024 is going to go, how the other teams in 2024 are going to do and what QB is going to be available to the Giants at their draft spot and you already know that QB is a better fit than Maye or whoever the Giants take?
If Schoen and Daboll take Maye they believe he is their guy and they can win with him. And it's their jobs (and possibly careers) on the line.
What's important to see now if they draft Maye, McCarthy, Penix, or whomever is that the new guy does not get the ridiculous leash Jones got. If after two years it's not looking good and they explore other QB options I think that's a huge check in Schoen's favor. That'd mean it's no longer business as usual, and jobs have to actually be earned.
That'd be an actual real culture shift.
I really don't like spending a future 1 to move up for a Mayebe (admit it, it's chuckle-worthy) or a maybe not. If we draft a guy @ 6 and he's shit, we can draft again in Rd1 next season. What if we don't have a Rd1? QB hell. Oh well. I trust that Eric wouldn't post this without some faith in the source. Thanks for allowing me time to meditate and do some breathing exercises before it happens. You saved a TV set tonight.
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do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
No. If Schoen and Daboll give up a ton to move up and get Maye and he busts, they're fired.
I'm sure they would be. I hope they'd operate a little more wisely and understand that while the result might not have been the desired one, the method was sound.
You can't fail twice massively on a QB and say "the method was sound"
Agreed. That's an asinine idea.
If they trade up big for Maye and he busts, they are done and they should be. Large extension for Jones and then this? How many chances do you think you get in the NFL?
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do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
No. If Schoen and Daboll give up a ton to move up and get Maye and he busts, they're fired.
Agreed, if he traded a modest package for JJM or Maye at 4 it could be different.
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