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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 3:29 pm
Two asshat reports now.
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So let me get thos straight  
jvm52106 : 4/25/2024 4:29 pm : link
You want to keep these lock first rd all-pro picks instead of taking a shot at a franchise QB...


Yeah I am sure Evan Neal, Kadarious Toney, DeAndre Baker, Daniel Jones, Evan Engram would agree with you...
RE: Rap  
mphbullet36 : 4/25/2024 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16486949 Sean said:
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If Pats trade out, it'll be 6 or 11. Link - ( New Window )


wow so enlightening from Ian...
Well we dont draft well anyways  
kelly : 4/25/2024 4:31 pm : link
So giving up picks is less painful
RE: Well we dont draft well anyways  
Mike from SI : 4/25/2024 4:34 pm : link
In comment 16486954 kelly said:
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So giving up picks is less painful


I actually laughed out loud because this is so true that it hurts.
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jeff57 : 4/25/2024 4:34 pm : link
In comment 16486893 Darwinian said:
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Said it a million times before, but if Drake is the pick & he becomes an elite QB, no one will GAF what we gave up. Of course he could be an epic bust that costs Joe & Dabs their jobs.

Life is full of risks.



Preach.

What did we give up for Eli? Crickets.

How many SB MVPs did he win? TWO.


Manning was a lot surer bet than Maye.
I think  
Spider43 : 4/25/2024 4:35 pm : link
Part of the agita is also because of who is rumored to be the pick there, should we trade up. A bunch of us see a future stud in Maye, while others might see a bum. They'd prefer their own selection, either Daniels (who I think will turn into RG'4' in a couple of years) or JJ (who still strikes me as a JAG, at this stage). We'll find out in a couple of years, I guess.

All that said, I'm still expecting WR1 for us at #6 when all the dust settles. I just know ownership too well. I'm hoping Schoen is still pleading his case, as we speak.
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NYGiantFL007 : 4/25/2024 4:35 pm : link
In comment 16486958 jeff57 said:
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Said it a million times before, but if Drake is the pick & he becomes an elite QB, no one will GAF what we gave up. Of course he could be an epic bust that costs Joe & Dabs their jobs.

Life is full of risks.



Preach.

What did we give up for Eli? Crickets.

How many SB MVPs did he win? TWO.



Manning was a lot surer bet than Maye.


Only because of his last name. Many of us felt Ben had a higher ceiling and more dynamic.
RE: Do we want Maye or JJM that much?  
giantstock : 4/25/2024 4:35 pm : link
In comment 16486772 5BowlsSoon said:
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I’m sure many here will rejoice over this, but I can’t help but think, there goes our WR and CB we so desperately need. We will be lucky to get as many wins this coming year with a rookie QB who may or may not pan out. See 2021 first round QBs…..all but one traded away in shame.

Nevertheless, if this QB is as good as Mahomes, never mind.


Why don't you think the Giants need a Qb? If you think they need a QB then what's the point of your question?


Also-- if the QB is good but overall the WR/TE/RB suck and more help is needed on the OL -- then why are you so foucused on wins for next year when they aren't expected to win anyway?
In other words, why don't you think ""there goes our QB we so desperately need"?"
RE: Trade whatever it takes  
Mike from Ohio : 4/25/2024 4:36 pm : link
In comment 16486914 pjcas18 said:
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to get the QB you want.

fans losing their shit over next year's 1st, lol.

oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.

If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.

if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business.


This +1,000

This team has been a doormat for a decade, and all of these first round picks have not helped. Be bold and trust your scouting.
RE: My heart goes out to all the draftniks...  
jeff57 : 4/25/2024 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16486933 Jim in Tampa said:
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who now won't be able to spend hours watching "tape" of 1st round prospects next year, in anticipation of the Giants' 2025 RD-1 pick.

I understand a franchise QB is small consolation for the pain you'll have to endure.


And you know he’s a franchise QB?
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jeff57 : 4/25/2024 4:38 pm : link
In comment 16486961 NYGiantFL007 said:
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Said it a million times before, but if Drake is the pick & he becomes an elite QB, no one will GAF what we gave up. Of course he could be an epic bust that costs Joe & Dabs their jobs.

Life is full of risks.



Preach.

What did we give up for Eli? Crickets.

How many SB MVPs did he win? TWO.



Manning was a lot surer bet than Maye.



Only because of his last name. Many of us felt Ben had a higher ceiling and more dynamic.


Yeah, only because of his last name. Right.
RE: RE: My heart goes out to all the draftniks...  
BigTimeTimJim : 4/25/2024 4:38 pm : link
In comment 16486968 jeff57 said:
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who now won't be able to spend hours watching "tape" of 1st round prospects next year, in anticipation of the Giants' 2025 RD-1 pick.

I understand a franchise QB is small consolation for the pain you'll have to endure.



And you know he’s a franchise QB?


I know Daniel Jones isn't. That's what matters
 
ryanmkeane : 4/25/2024 4:39 pm : link
Fuck yeah. Get it done Joe.
RE: RE: RE: if the Giants  
giantstock : 4/25/2024 4:39 pm : link
In comment 16486919 Darwinian said:
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do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.

If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.

They know it.



And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.



Yes. There's no shame in missing on QB as long as other systems are progressing. Hey, maybe in 3 years the team is highly competitive and they have a chance at a QB upgrade. You do it. No shame in it. The mistake is insisting it has to be your (inferior) guy


If they pass on a QB that turns out the QB is good and the GMen's QB sucks and the team overall sucks ofc they should be fired.
If Schon and Daboll think Maye is the next Josh Allen  
PatersonPlank : 4/25/2024 4:39 pm : link
Then it's not to much, and frankly they should know. I love that they feel so strongly about him to pull the trigger. If they feel good then I feel good.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: if the Giants  
giantstock : 4/25/2024 4:43 pm : link
In comment 16486931 jvm52106 said:
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The Jones failure was tied to a bigger picture push but none of you want to admit that..


Nonsense. Please stop with the excuse making.
As the talked about trade is contingent on Daniels going #2  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 4:43 pm : link
to the Commanders, here are his current odds -900 at #2.
RE: RE: My heart goes out to all the draftniks...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/25/2024 4:43 pm : link
In comment 16486968 jeff57 said:
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who now won't be able to spend hours watching "tape" of 1st round prospects next year, in anticipation of the Giants' 2025 RD-1 pick.

I understand a franchise QB is small consolation for the pain you'll have to endure.



And you know he’s a franchise QB?

No one knows obviously. But most fans realize that the Giants don't currently have a franchise QB, and we're not going to win anything until we do.

So Schoen and Daboll are taking their shot.
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56goat : 4/25/2024 4:46 pm : link
In comment 16486745 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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‘ I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.’


"Johnny, what can you make out of this?

This? Why, I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl."
The funniest thing would be if we ended up taking JJM at 3.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 4:47 pm : link
Don't forget GoDeep said JJM still in play at 3. This place would go ballistic.

The worst thing would be giving up a haul for Maye and JJM turning out to be the dude. Pats get a king's ransom and JJM. We repay them for 2 lost superbowls.
My guess is this  
Sean : 4/25/2024 4:47 pm : link
The Giants deal is done, but the Pats still need to trade up to 4, is that done yet?
RE: As the talked about trade is contingent on Daniels going #2  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 4:48 pm : link
In comment 16486983 GFAN52 said:
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to the Commanders, here are his current odds -900 at #2.


I'm honestly hoping the Commies surprise everyone and take Maye. Get JJM for less or pay the king's ransom for JD.
Anyone else having 2nd thoughts  
JT039 : 4/25/2024 4:49 pm : link
Of Maye being that Ryan is so high on him? Lol
RE: My guess is this  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 4:49 pm : link
In comment 16486993 Sean said:
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The Giants deal is done, but the Pats still need to trade up to 4, is that done yet?


I'd presume if we had a deal in place with AZ to get from 4 to 6 that could've been passed along in the deal with NE.
RE: My guess is this  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 4:49 pm : link
In comment 16486993 Sean said:
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The Giants deal is done, but the Pats still need to trade up to 4, is that done yet?


Contingent on Daniels goes #2 which is likely :)
RE: My guess is this  
Scooter185 : 4/25/2024 4:50 pm : link
In comment 16486993 Sean said:
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The Giants deal is done, but the Pats still need to trade up to 4, is that done yet?


Gotta make sure WAS takes JD
RE: My guess is this  
Strahan91 : 4/25/2024 4:50 pm : link
In comment 16486993 Sean said:
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The Giants deal is done, but the Pats still need to trade up to 4, is that done yet?

I saw Matt Miller from ESPN reported that MHJ apparently has a promise from Arizona if he's there at 4 fwiw.
RE: Schoen inherited Jones  
giantstock : 4/25/2024 4:51 pm : link
In comment 16486939 Go Terps said:
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And while he did preside over the contract I take that as a failure to manage the people above him who wanted to keep Jones. Shitcanning both Barkley and Jones (the faces of the franchise 🤮) in the same offseason hours a long way to rectifying that failure.

What's important to see now if they draft Maye, McCarthy, Penix, or whomever is that the new guy does not get the ridiculous leash Jones got. If after two years it's not looking good and they explore other QB options I think that's a huge check in Schoen's favor. That'd mean it's no longer business as usual, and jobs have to actually be earned.

That'd be an actual real culture shift.


More excuse making. After their 1st year - "They had the floor." Instead they tripped over their own feet.
regardless of my apprehension around 2025 1st  
bigbluehoya : 4/25/2024 4:51 pm : link
it would be absolute box office if they do make the trade, get up to the podium, and take JJM while seemingly most of us are sure that it's Maye.

That would be wild.
Please let it happen  
Jerry in_DC : 4/25/2024 4:52 pm : link
Since Gettleman was hired the Giants have been completely hopeless. Bleak, zero chance to be good, insanely boring. Living under the stupidity of Gettleman and the boring, zero ceiling, robotic QB play of Daniel Jones was been pure misery.

Being freed from that and having a reason to be excited and optimistic about the Giants will really be an incredible feeling. Everything has been so dormant for so long. Please End Jones. Get the new guy. Let's go.
After  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 4:53 pm : link
reading what "BleedBlue46" wrote and going back through my messages, I would not completely discount the possibility of McCarthy at #3.

The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.
 
ryanmkeane : 4/25/2024 4:53 pm : link
Trade a 2025 1st, and trade our 47 for Aiyuk.
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jvm52106 : 4/25/2024 4:54 pm : link
In comment 16486982 giantstock said:
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The Jones failure was tied to a bigger picture push but none of you want to admit that..



Nonsense. Please stop with the excuse making.


It's not an excuse about thecdeal- that was forced to keep Barkley...
RE: After  
NYGiantFL007 : 4/25/2024 4:54 pm : link
In comment 16487011 Eric from BBI said:
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reading what "BleedBlue46" wrote and going back through my messages, I would not completely discount the possibility of McCarthy at #3.

The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.


ugh, I would hate that.
RE: After  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 4:55 pm : link
In comment 16487011 Eric from BBI said:
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reading what "BleedBlue46" wrote and going back through my messages, I would not completely discount the possibility of McCarthy at #3.

The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.


Bet against that kid at your own peril.
Sometimes you have to take chances in sports.  
LW_Giants : 4/25/2024 4:55 pm : link
If it works, no one will care what we gave up. If it doesn't, well, we'll have to try again in a few years. Not trying at all due to fear of failure is a surefire way to be mediocre forever.
RE: Anyone else having 2nd thoughts  
Mike from Ohio : 4/25/2024 4:56 pm : link
In comment 16487000 JT039 said:
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Of Maye being that Ryan is so high on him? Lol


OK I laughed a little.

I look forward to the day a year or two from now when Ryan and I hold the exact same view on the Giants QB - that he is a damn stud!
and  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 4:56 pm : link
I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.
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santacruzom : 4/25/2024 4:56 pm : link
In comment 16486807 Go Terps said:
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I feel like Andy Dufresne crawling through 6 years of shit smelling foulness, and I can see the end of the pipe.


I know that Maye isn't your favorite and that you don't want the Giants to fixate on one QB when other quality prospects exist... wouldn't you be a bit disappointed if we gave up a lot of draft capital in that event?
Doesn't matter what QB they pick ...  
Manny in CA : 4/25/2024 4:56 pm : link

If that guy busts, Daboll & Schoen are emptying their desks the day after the last game, THIS coming season. (Ghost of Matt Millen GM re-visited ?)

They are "up against it" - Broken QB, Rebuilt O-line after a disastrous debacle, no running game ....

As William Bendix used to say "what a revolting development" !
RE: After  
DaveInTampa : 4/25/2024 4:56 pm : link
In comment 16487011 Eric from BBI said:
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reading what "BleedBlue46" wrote and going back through my messages, I would not completely discount the possibility of McCarthy at #3.

The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.


Imagine if the Pats get a haul from us and then take Maye at 6
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16487028 DaveInTampa said:
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In comment 16487011 Eric from BBI said:


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reading what "BleedBlue46" wrote and going back through my messages, I would not completely discount the possibility of McCarthy at #3.

The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.



Imagine if the Pats get a haul from us and then take Maye at 6


Or trade down with the Vikings for a bigger haul.
RE: After  
Rjanyg : 4/25/2024 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16487011 Eric from BBI said:
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reading what "BleedBlue46" wrote and going back through my messages, I would not completely discount the possibility of McCarthy at #3.

The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.


Rico said Maye so I will believe that.
RE: After  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16487011 Eric from BBI said:
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reading what "BleedBlue46" wrote and going back through my messages, I would not completely discount the possibility of McCarthy at #3.

The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.


That would be mind blowing, plus the fact he's not even attending the draft in person.
RE: After  
Mike from Ohio : 4/25/2024 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16487011 Eric from BBI said:
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reading what "BleedBlue46" wrote and going back through my messages, I would not completely discount the possibility of McCarthy at #3.

The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.


I really hope that is smoke. I will still be glad they went and got the QB they liked, but I am just not there on that guy being anything special in the NFL.
RE: RE: RE: After  
Strahan91 : 4/25/2024 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16487029 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16487011 Eric from BBI said:


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reading what "BleedBlue46" wrote and going back through my messages, I would not completely discount the possibility of McCarthy at #3.

The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.



Imagine if the Pats get a haul from us and then take Maye at 6



Or trade down with the Vikings for a bigger haul.

That's what Belichick would do if he was still there
Not sure if it's posted yet  
Tyrion : 4/25/2024 4:58 pm : link
But Boston sports radio has at least one person now saying NE to trade down to 6 and then back up to 4.
Really  
Jerry in_DC : 4/25/2024 4:58 pm : link
Feels like it would be Maye if we are trading up. JJ would be shocking. But shocking can be fun
Rjanyg  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 4:58 pm : link
Yes he did. And that's what I was told some time ago.

GoDeep thinks the deal is about done, but he threw McCarthy's name in there.
RE: The funniest thing would be if we ended up taking JJM at 3.  
bw in dc : 4/25/2024 4:58 pm : link
In comment 16486991 BleedBlue46 said:
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Don't forget GoDeep said JJM still in play at 3. This place would go ballistic.

The worst thing would be giving up a haul for Maye and JJM turning out to be the dude. Pats get a king's ransom and JJM. We repay them for 2 lost superbowls.


Spending a haul for either of these prospects is a valid critique.

However, paying a premium for a prospect who doesn't have special skills like McCarthy would be very difficult to swallow. At least I know Maye has a hose, is big, athletic and mobile.
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