Let's see if any deals are announced before then or at that time. It'll be fascinating to see what the Pats do when it's their turn to pick at 3, which should be at around 8:30 I surmise.
if NE takes him i think ill be more disappointed than if they take maye for some reason. cant really explain why, maybe just spooked since there are some that think maye's flaws are deal breakers.
on the positive side im starting to feel like there wont be many trades and 1 of them will get to #6 with WRs going 4/5.
If you don’t want to know the picks in advance to the broadcast on TV, probably a good idea to wait until the pick is announced and then check the thread.
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
With New England seemingly not willing to move out of No. 3, attention now shifts to J.J. McCarthy or WR at pick 6 for the Giants.
There are some very promising QB prospects next year and Penix could slide still if the Vikings get a top 4 QB.
I love Jaxon Dart, I like Ward, Ewers has some promise. Trading a massive haul for a bust is the worst possible scenario. Not saying Maye will bust, but he has a really questionable tendency to crumble under pressure getting flustered, locking onto first read, running into sacks and throwing interceptions. It's not a good tendency and if it's just how his mind works then there aren't any fixes to that.
I know, pathetic. But adding another clip to the Jets draft history would be appreciated.
I want to see him nod in approval when they pick the guy Tyrod Taylor will be throwing to, after oh idk, game 4?
If Maye gets picked,
Rico : 7:45 pm : link : reply : Delete
we probably won't trade up.
This might simply be because there would be no need to. Or they don’t love McCarthy. I’m still going with the former.
We have 2 asshats that have said we wouldn't take JJM at 6, now Rico saying no trade up if Maye goes to NE. I'm hoping that doesn't lead to us passing or trading down with him on the board, it is what it is though.
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
With New England seemingly not willing to move out of No. 3, attention now shifts to J.J. McCarthy or WR at pick 6 for the Giants.
not sure if im being swayed entirely by rumors but im think the 2 choices will be jjm or odunze. mhj/nabers gone to ari/lac.
Either the Giants stripped of the draft capital necessary to put playmakers around him or the Patriots with the worst offensive talent in the league. Maybe the worst landing spot options for any of the rookie QBs.
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
With New England seemingly not willing to move out of No. 3, attention now shifts to J.J. McCarthy or WR at pick 6 for the Giants.
not sure if im being swayed entirely by rumors but im think the 2 choices will be jjm or odunze. mhj/nabers gone to ari/lac.
If Maye gets picked,
Rico : 7:45 pm : link : reply : Delete
we probably won't trade up.
This might simply be because there would be no need to. Or they don’t love McCarthy. I’m still going with the former.
We have 2 asshats that have said we wouldn't take JJM at 6, now Rico saying no trade up if Maye goes to NE. I'm hoping that doesn't lead to us passing or trading down with him on the board, it is what it is though.
If Maye gets picked,
Rico : 7:45 pm : link : reply : Delete
we probably won't trade up.
This might simply be because there would be no need to. Or they don’t love McCarthy. I’m still going with the former.
We have 2 asshats that have said we wouldn't take JJM at 6, now Rico saying no trade up if Maye goes to NE. I'm hoping that doesn't lead to us passing or trading down with him on the board, it is what it is though.
I think he's laughing at the whole thing after all these years. He's making a ridiculous amount of money and finds this whole thing humorous at this point.
I think he's laughing at the whole thing after all these years. He's making a ridiculous amount of money and finds this whole thing humorous at this point.
Maybe he has a bet with Bettman for who can get booed louder
I think he's laughing at the whole thing after all these years. He's making a ridiculous amount of money and finds this whole thing humorous at this point.
"It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3 to take Drake Maye. I'm sorry and I love you guys. I hope I can work to earn your trust back. Based on the intel I was getting that's what it looked like was going to happen. #fraudalert
"It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3 to take Drake Maye. I'm sorry and I love you guys. I hope I can work to earn your trust back. Based on the intel I was getting that's what it looked like was going to happen. #fraudalert
"It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3 to take Drake Maye. I'm sorry and I love you guys. I hope I can work to earn your trust back. Based on the intel I was getting that's what it looked like was going to happen. #fraudalert
Rickey
@prettyrickey213
It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3 to take Drake Maye. I'm sorry and I love you guys. I hope I can work to earn your trust back. Based on the intel I was getting that's what it looked like was going to happen. #fraudalert
RE: It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3
there still a rule that teams can't turn their pick in during the first round until at least five minutes of their allotted time has expired? Because everybody in the Chicago war room is just sitting around and playing with their phones.
"It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3 to take Drake Maye. I'm sorry and I love you guys. I hope I can work to earn your trust back. Based on the intel I was getting that's what it looked like was going to happen. #fraudalert
So much for Maye, barring the unforseen.
It’s a bad look when you make a call which violently conflicts with betting odds and get it wrong. It means you had bad info and relayed it over-confidently. Betting markets know more than you, always.
Rickey
@prettyrickey213
It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3 to take Drake Maye. I'm sorry and I love you guys. I hope I can work to earn your trust back. Based on the intel I was getting that's what it looked like was going to happen. #fraudalert
"It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3 to take Drake Maye. I'm sorry and I love you guys. I hope I can work to earn your trust back. Based on the intel I was getting that's what it looked like was going to happen. #fraudalert
So much for Maye, barring the unforseen.
It’s a bad look when you make a call which violently conflicts with betting odds and get it wrong. It means you had bad info and relayed it over-confidently. Betting markets know more than you, always.
This isn’t a slam at Rickey by the way. It’s just a comment that wisdom of crowds is very very good.
"It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3 to take Drake Maye. I'm sorry and I love you guys. I hope I can work to earn your trust back. Based on the intel I was getting that's what it looked like was going to happen. #fraudalert
"It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3 to take Drake Maye. I'm sorry and I love you guys. I hope I can work to earn your trust back. Based on the intel I was getting that's what it looked like was going to happen. #fraudalert
So much for Maye, barring the unforseen.
It’s a bad look when you make a call which violently conflicts with betting odds and get it wrong. It means you had bad info and relayed it over-confidently. Betting markets know more than you, always.
No they don't. They had Will Levis going top 5 last year. He didn't even get drafted in the 1st round.
Two things..
1. it is stupid to send your selection in so quickly
2. the NFL is selling ads here too. They dont want the night to end too early. I will wager there are times when the pick announcement is delayed for this reason.
"I met with Vikings head coach Kevin O'Connell an hour ago. He told me they've worked through plans for every scenario.
Separately, sources tell me Vikings are prepared to continue talks with Patriots when NE is on clock. Maye is player to watch, but trade comp is still way off."
"I met with Vikings head coach Kevin O'Connell an hour ago. He told me they've worked through plans for every scenario.
Separately, sources tell me Vikings are prepared to continue talks with Patriots when NE is on clock. Maye is player to watch, but trade comp is still way off."
Seems like Schoen might have a preliminary deal in place with NE, but NE is holding out hope for much more than a modest deal while guaranteeing them JJM
"I met with Vikings head coach Kevin O'Connell an hour ago. He told me they've worked through plans for every scenario.
Separately, sources tell me Vikings are prepared to continue talks with Patriots when NE is on clock. Maye is player to watch, but trade comp is still way off."
to sit through all of the shit we have for the last decade and totally sucked shit this year in a draft with 3 stud QBs and still wound wind up with one of them.
The players are never going to tank nor should they, but those wins by DeVito fucked us hard. A guy who has zero chance to be the long term starter catching lightning in a bottle for a few games, only the Giants could that somehow be a bad thing.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
One source said there is “0 chance” the Patriots trade the No. 3 overall pick. They will stick and take their QB of the future.
The sky is falling before we’re even on the clock? Lol
i think daniels goes almost exactly the way of RG3. talent plays but injuries/league adjusting lead to disappointing career. he is so slight but running so important to his success, dont see how he stays healthy.
Yea but you screamed about Darnold for months so why are you tricking yourself again into believing you actually know who to pick?
Yeah, I was certainly the only one who liked Darnold.
Darnold, even in hindsight, would have been a better pick than Barkley. At least it was taking a swing for the fences instead of the Barkley pick which had exactly zero chance of ever being the right pick.
You don’t know what the Pats were asking for….obviously more than NY was willing to give. Apparently the Vikes were not satisfied either. Come on SF…you’re smarter than this…..don’t make a rush to judgment without having all the facts.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
If the Giants want a QB who is also coveted by another team, trading slightly up with the Chargers here would be the way to ensure they got their guy
he pointed out clear flaws with all of them. got the impression he likes caleb but didnt love daniels or maye. he kept mentioning that daniels only threw outside the numbers and that maye wasnt good at sticking with plays/making the right reads.
This team won’t seriously compete until it gets a QB.
I agree but identifying a franchise qb is hard. Was completely on board with Maye in a trade up. If the cards aligned and we had a top 3 pick I’d be all for QB as well. I don’t have a problem with JJM but feel like it’s more of a sprint to win on his rookie deal if he’s the pick.
I don’t think the “qb at all costs” crowd truly appreciates how good these Wrs are as prospects and it’s in the discussion for most valuable non-qb position.
This team won’t seriously compete until it gets a QB.
I agree but identifying a franchise qb is hard. Was completely on board with Maye in a trade up. If the cards aligned and we had a top 3 pick I’d be all for QB as well. I don’t have a problem with JJM but feel like it’s more of a sprint to win on his rookie deal if he’s the pick.
I don’t think the “qb at all costs” crowd truly appreciates how good these Wrs are as prospects and it’s in the discussion for most valuable non-qb position.
Best WRs in NFL are a late first rounder and a bunch of 2nd rounders along with a few mid rounders.
Adding talent at playmaking positions is fine but it’s like adding gold-leaf monitors when your CPU and Keyboard is shit.
And drama by a lot of you guys and it’s playing out just as straight forward as many of us expected. Next Odunze or Nabors. Sorry to disappoint so many.
You can argue that 3 of the top 5 WR prospects of the last decade are in this class. Guys that would be #1 overall prospects in bad qb drafts. WRs are getting 32 AAV deals now.
You can argue that 3 of the top 5 WR prospects of the last decade are in this class. Guys that would be #1 overall prospects in bad qb drafts. WRs are getting 32 AAV deals now.
This team won’t seriously compete until it gets a QB.
I agree but identifying a franchise qb is hard. Was completely on board with Maye in a trade up. If the cards aligned and we had a top 3 pick I’d be all for QB as well. I don’t have a problem with JJM but feel like it’s more of a sprint to win on his rookie deal if he’s the pick.
I don’t think the “qb at all costs” crowd truly appreciates how good these Wrs are as prospects and it’s in the discussion for most valuable non-qb position.
Best WRs in NFL are a late first rounder and a bunch of 2nd rounders along with a few mid rounders.
Adding talent at playmaking positions is fine but it’s like adding gold-leaf monitors when your CPU and Keyboard is shit.
Jamar Chase just happened. These guys, at least MHJ and Nabers are widely considered in his class. Odunze is right there as well.
You can argue that 3 of the top 5 WR prospects of the last decade are in this class. Guys that would be #1 overall prospects in bad qb drafts. WRs are getting 32 AAV deals now.
AJ Brown and Amon Ra St Brown say hello!
Key word being Prospects. Use consensus or Sy’s rankings, these guys are rare prospects. These aren’t the worst consolations.
This team won’t seriously compete until it gets a QB.
I agree but identifying a franchise qb is hard. Was completely on board with Maye in a trade up. If the cards aligned and we had a top 3 pick I’d be all for QB as well. I don’t have a problem with JJM but feel like it’s more of a sprint to win on his rookie deal if he’s the pick.
I don’t think the “qb at all costs” crowd truly appreciates how good these Wrs are as prospects and it’s in the discussion for most valuable non-qb position.
Best WRs in NFL are a late first rounder and a bunch of 2nd rounders along with a few mid rounders.
Adding talent at playmaking positions is fine but it’s like adding gold-leaf monitors when your CPU and Keyboard is shit.
Jamar Chase just happened. These guys, at least MHJ and Nabers are widely considered in his class. Odunze is right there as well.
Chase has Joe Burrow. Come on and use your noggin.
he has elite separation better than Jamar Chase. He is in Tyreek Hills level of separation... big time get for us. With QBs falling a little don't be shocked if we can still get back in and take one.
he has elite separation better than Jamar Chase. He is in Tyreek Hills level of separation... big time get for us. With QBs falling a little don't be shocked if we can still get back in and take one.
In comment 16488092 Dave in Hoboken said:
[quote] Enjoy another year of losing. [/quote
2024 already over. Hope John Mara enjoys pissing away their 100th season
For Jones then I don't want to heat from Nabers excuse makers when he is struggling and the offense isn't scoring.. This is what you wanted- a speedboat for a pond.
The Giants did not have to move up. I do not understand. And I for one do not want another OBJ. I do not want anyone with potential character issues.
I would have rather had Odunze. Better still, if they were not drafting a QB, trade down to Minnesota and get multiple #1s and take Brian Thomas as a #1 WR.
So many options, all of them good. Not getting one of the QB's is disappointing, but honestly, that wasn't going to happen without nearly crippling the rebuild, so just have to accept it and take the best available option. I thought there would have been a trade down though, but OBJ 2.0? Yeah, let's do it.
lock stud player... If we lose this year then we will be in good position to get a QB next year. Having Nabers, Robinson, and Hyatt is an amazing start.
I have to change my draft wants... Looking at Nabers, Orhorhoro, Christian Haynes, and then in the 4th... Joe Milton or Pratt.
Daboll and Schoen are going to get fired and the irony is
The Giants did not have to move up. I do not understand. And I for one do not want another OBJ. I do not want anyone with potential character issues.
I would have rather had Odunze. Better still, if they were not drafting a QB, trade down to Minnesota and get multiple #1s and take Brian Thomas as a #1 WR.
This is lame to me.
It has nothing to do with Mara. The Giants tried to trade up for a QB. The Pats weren't interested in making a trade. Don't force a QB just to say you took a QB. They obviously didn't have JJM graded as high as Nabers. To be honest nobody did.
That’s why it’s called QB hell, it’s hard to get of. Can’t really force it.
We’re gonna flirt with forcing it next year on either a similar level prospect to JJM or a Dak to big $$ in FA but that’s where we are. If we lost more games we could have had access to a guy they deemed a blue chip.
So many options, all of them good. Not getting one of the QB's is disappointing, but honestly, that wasn't going to happen without nearly crippling the rebuild, so just have to accept it and take the best available option. I thought there would have been a trade down though, but OBJ 2.0? Yeah, let's do it.
The Giants did not have to move up. I do not understand. And I for one do not want another OBJ. I do not want anyone with potential character issues.
I would have rather had Odunze. Better still, if they were not drafting a QB, trade down to Minnesota and get multiple #1s and take Brian Thomas as a #1 WR.
This is lame to me.
It can be pretty tough to trade down. You need a willing partner, good return, etc.
Mara's comments about Jones, and with all of their other holes, I would be surprised if the Giants took a QB this weekend. I don't see them trading back into the first round for Nix or Penix, or drafting Rattler or Pratt tomorrow.
The Giants did not have to move up. I do not understand. And I for one do not want another OBJ. I do not want anyone with potential character issues.
I would have rather had Odunze. Better still, if they were not drafting a QB, trade down to Minnesota and get multiple #1s and take Brian Thomas as a #1 WR.
This is lame to me.
I agree. We have become the joke of the business. Another exciting season.
RE: Daboll and Schoen are going to get fired and the irony is
About not getting a replacement for Jones, but assuming they eventually do Nabers will be an asset. And it's nice that we didn't lose any picks trading up.
Perhaps they trade back into first and get one if the remaining top 6 QBs.
Aren’t in charge of the team. Don’t know if Jones will look better with an improved receiving core and better blocking but I sure hope so because I’m a Giant fan and I want to see them play well and him succeed!!! You guys are more interested in your opinions being validated!
Mara's comments about Jones, and with all of their other holes, I would be surprised if the Giants took a QB this weekend. I don't see them trading back into the first round for Nix or Penix, or drafting Rattler or Pratt tomorrow.
I will modify my answer by saying that they might take Nix or Penix if they were somehow available at #47.
RE: RE: Who Throws To Nabers? Another Mara Decision?
The Giants did not have to move up. I do not understand. And I for one do not want another OBJ. I do not want anyone with potential character issues.
I would have rather had Odunze. Better still, if they were not drafting a QB, trade down to Minnesota and get multiple #1s and take Brian Thomas as a #1 WR.
This is lame to me.
I agree. We have become the joke of the business. Another exciting season.
Warm up the plane and get the clown picture ready. But hey, we can always look forward to the free medium Pepsi next year.
Aren’t in charge of the team. Don’t know if Jones will look better with an improved receiving core and better blocking but I sure hope so because I’m a Giant fan and I want to see them play well and him succeed!!! You guys are more interested in your opinions being validated!
Truer words are rarely written on this site.
RE: It'd be funny to see JJM burn the Giants this year and in the future.
that shirt less photo of JC Latham is what I used to look like when I weighted 300 pounds. Also Joe Alt got out of his chair like an old man with arthritis in his knees.
lock stud player... If we lose this year then we will be in good position to get a QB next year. Having Nabers, Robinson, and Hyatt is an amazing start.
I have to change my draft wants... Looking at Nabers, Orhorhoro, Christian Haynes, and then in the 4th... Joe Milton or Pratt.
Draft class next year looks to shit at QB. That obviously can change but the only one I'm intrigued by currently is Carson Beck but I dont think he's as good as the top 3 this year or even that close to it.
They trash Jones but at the same time wanted JJM who has done nothing to substantiate being the number 6 pick in the draft and a starting QB in the NFL.The one thing he is good at is handing the ball off because that is what he did most of the time at Michigan.
They trash Jones but at the same time wanted JJM who has done nothing to substantiate being the number 6 pick in the draft and a starting QB in the NFL.The one thing he is good at is handing the ball off because that is what he did most of the time at Michigan.
OK, so compare what DJ did in college and what JJM did, and tell me who deserved to be picked at 6 more.
Aren’t in charge of the team. Don’t know if Jones will look better with an improved receiving core and better blocking but I sure hope so because I’m a Giant fan and I want to see them play well and him succeed!!! You guys are more interested in your opinions being validated!
Why does this guy get nine lives? People make a million excuses as to why he should improve the following year, and it has NEVER happened.
ONE game. ONE win against Minnesota "earned" him that contract - and now we're stuck with his inability to go through progressions, fragile body and turnovers for another year.
This team has spent an unholy amount of resources to give him weapons and a better OL. He better damn well improve.
Aren’t in charge of the team. Don’t know if Jones will look better with an improved receiving core and better blocking but I sure hope so because I’m a Giant fan and I want to see them play well and him succeed!!! You guys are more interested in your opinions being validated!
as qb protection going into next year if Jones gets hurt and Lock on a one year deal at least they have someone who can game manage.
And with our receivers maybe he can be a bit like Purdy.
you never know
We need a QB upgrade, not protection, an Pratt is not an upgrade. Another longshot.
Exactly. Protection is available off the street every year. Doubt we draft a QB . Would make no sense now. Be a wasted pick with all the needs they have. I think Sy said too if they don't pick one in the first round it's unlikely they pick one.
said Pratt's comp is Jones. I don't see it. When healthy, Jones is a much better athlete than Pratt and has a stronger arm. Pratt sees the field better. He reminds me of a better version of Kyle Lauletta.
Gettleman did it. Yet a lot of morons wanted them to do it again. They wanted Maye and couldn’t make it work. If Daboll didn’t want any of the remainingQB’s I’d trust him a hell of a lot more than I would trust a bunch of fans behind a keyboard.
Don’t shop hungry. The 9ers have shown how to do it. Build the TEAMwhile plugging QB’s until you find one.
RE: RE: Would it surprise anyone if Nix is gone at 12
He didn't bankrupt future picks to grab a QB. There are still good players in this draft for the Giants to use their picks to fill the holes in their roster.
It is not hard. McCarthy isn't as good as people think.
Penix went 8, McCarthy went 10 and Nix is going off soon too. If any of those QBs end up being good this regime is going to be scrutinized and rightfully so.
have been QB. I'm not complaining, but add that to the Giants draft resume. In a draft where they had top 10, and half the picks were QB, Giants didn't take one.
RE: Taking a QB for the sake of taking a QB is moronic.
Gettleman did it. Yet a lot of morons wanted them to do it again. They wanted Maye and couldn’t make it work. If Daboll didn’t want any of the remainingQB’s I’d trust him a hell of a lot more than I would trust a bunch of fans behind a keyboard.
Don’t shop hungry. The 9ers have shown how to do it. Build the TEAMwhile plugging QB’s until you find one.
that all makes sense but you have other teams who DID take guys that we were supposedly connected too. This may be the Giants trying to save face for the ridiculous DJ contract.
have been QB. I'm not complaining, but add that to the Giants draft resume. In a draft where they had top 10, and half the picks were QB, Giants didn't take one.
good point, almost shocking. I think Giants are trying to save face for the whacked out contract handed to JJ. It would look like they were clueless.
or we wouldn't have been looking to move up for Maye. Can't force a QB just because you need one. We may not get one this year. That doesn't necessarily mean our front office made a mistake. It just means that how the draft broke.
have been QB. I'm not complaining, but add that to the Giants draft resume. In a draft where they had top 10, and half the picks were QB, Giants didn't take one.
good point, almost shocking. I think Giants are trying to save face for the whacked out contract handed to JJ. It would look like they were clueless.
Taking McCarthy, Pennix or Nix at 6 would have been a bad move. You can’t take a QB just to take a QB.
All of these Qb's could fall short.
You don't pick based on need, but you do build a team one piece at a time with solid picks. Do that and in year or two you look up and you have a competitive team. This pick was not a reach and makes the team better.
have been QB. I'm not complaining, but add that to the Giants draft resume. In a draft where they had top 10, and half the picks were QB, Giants didn't take one.
good point, almost shocking. I think Giants are trying to save face for the whacked out contract handed to JJ. It would look like they were clueless.
Taking McCarthy, Pennix or Nix at 6 would have been a bad move. You can’t take a QB just to take a QB.
Good. I've been advocating for a QB all offseason. If they didn't love any of the QBs available they shouldn't have picked one. You can't take a QB just to say you took a QB. That's how you end up with shitty QBs (Ex. Daniel Jones)
This Nix pick feels a lot like the Daniel Jones pick in 2019
have been QB. I'm not complaining, but add that to the Giants draft resume. In a draft where they had top 10, and half the picks were QB, Giants didn't take one.
good point, almost shocking. I think Giants are trying to save face for the whacked out contract handed to JJ. It would look like they were clueless.
Taking McCarthy, Pennix or Nix at 6 would have been a bad move. You can’t take a QB just to take a QB.
I get it, I agree. Again, not complaining. Just a weird and typical Giants situation. I wouldn't have given up more than next year's first and this year's second to move up to 3, and even that would have me hesitate. Just didn't work out.
or we wouldn't have been looking to move up for Maye. Can't force a QB just because you need one. We may not get one this year. That doesn't necessarily mean our front office made a mistake. It just means that how the draft broke.
Actually this does make the most sense. Nabors is a stud for sure. I ll admit as much as I wanted JJM there was no guarantee there that he's a franchise guy. As far as Maye there is nothing you can do because pats drafted 3 in front of us and if reports are true they wanted a haul for the trade
RE: This Nix pick feels a lot like the Daniel Jones pick in 2019
There was talk that Jones could be comfortably selected with our #17 pick. We panicked and took him at #6 and there wasn't a peep about anyone else being interested.
RE: The consensus value for QB was obviously there
have been QB. I'm not complaining, but add that to the Giants draft resume. In a draft where they had top 10, and half the picks were QB, Giants didn't take one.
good point, almost shocking. I think Giants are trying to save face for the whacked out contract handed to JJ. It would look like they were clueless.
Taking McCarthy, Pennix or Nix at 6 would have been a bad move. You can’t take a QB just to take a QB.
I personally would've taken JJM, but yes this is 100% accurate. The Giants didn't love him. They didn't force the pick
Penix & Nix shouldn't be anywhere near the first round IMO
have been QB. I'm not complaining, but add that to the Giants draft resume. In a draft where they had top 10, and half the picks were QB, Giants didn't take one.
good point, almost shocking. I think Giants are trying to save face for the whacked out contract handed to JJ. It would look like they were clueless.
Taking McCarthy, Pennix or Nix at 6 would have been a bad move. You can’t take a QB just to take a QB.
I get it, I agree. Again, not complaining. Just a weird and typical Giants situation. I wouldn't have given up more than next year's first and this year's second to move up to 3, and even that would have me hesitate. Just didn't work out.
The Patriots were not dealing. They wanted Maye. They were talking to Maye with 5 minutes left on the clock - saw Kraft talking to him from the Pats draft room.
have been QB. I'm not complaining, but add that to the Giants draft resume. In a draft where they had top 10, and half the picks were QB, Giants didn't take one.
good point, almost shocking. I think Giants are trying to save face for the whacked out contract handed to JJ. It would look like they were clueless.
Taking McCarthy, Pennix or Nix at 6 would have been a bad move. You can’t take a QB just to take a QB.
Agreed. It just didn't work out. Nix at 12. To me, that's absurd.
All of these Qb's could fall short.
You don't pick based on need, but you do build a team one piece at a time with solid picks. Do that and in year or two you look up and you have a competitive team. This pick was not a reach and makes the team better.
How many times have we heard that the Giants did the most homework on QBs and tried the hardest to trade up? They clearly had a plan and did the work. It's not Dave Gettleman refusing to answer a phone call and pretending to type on an imaginary keyboard.
or we wouldn't have been looking to move up for Maye. Can't force a QB just because you need one. We may not get one this year. That doesn't necessarily mean our front office made a mistake. It just means that how the draft broke.
Stop. Just stop. Making a logical point isn’t allowed here.
The Giants should be able to do anything they want whenever they want to do it.
RE: Well one good thing about all these QBs going is it
You learned a valuable lesson tonight. Don't wait to obtain what you desperately need. Giants management isn't uo to competing in the new NFL. [/quote]
I get your point, but literally one team drafted up one spot. Everyone else waited.
The giants have access to JJM/Penix/Nix level qb prospect next year than a Nabers level non-qb premium position prospect next year, so I personally think they made the right call. Maybe I’m overvaluing consensus opinion but teams weren’t trying to trade up ahead of us for Penix or JJM, so I don’t think Schoen was on an island in his assessment.
I wanted a Maye trade to happen but if the top 3 teams don’t want to move your hands are tied. So it’s elite blue chip wr, a 32 AAV position vs 2nd tier qb prospect. That’s the decision.
Still angry we gave up the earlier 2nd rounder. We could get TOP quality there. Will be harder at 47
Who are you getting in round 2 that is a better player than Burns is RIGHT now.. ??
Im saying we shouldve stuck firm and forced them to take 47. That is still a very good return for a player they are dumping and that we have to sign a high contract for.
“Nabers is an electric playmaker and arguably this class’ most dangerous ball carrier in space. An incredibly smooth and explosive athlete with great ball skills, Nabers was an instant contributor in the SEC for LSU and made 161 catches (playing with Jayden Daniels) the last two seasons. There were some scouts who had Nabers ranked ahead of Harrison — he’s that good.”
“The Giants have questions about Daniel Jones, to be sure. But they still have so much work to do that bringing a first-round QB in to compete for the job wouldn’t have made much sense. Nabers is an awesome talent and will instantly make one of the slowest offenses faster. This is a sensible, efficient and potentially explosive draft pick.”
But not throwing the remote and realize Giants now got to focus on the Trenches. Those FA OL - they had better be good. And the DL to own the line of scrimmage in the future.
But I fear a RB in rd2 or rd3 and also a cb with a 7-10 record is coming.
Now - for positive - the WR is a proabable beast. Some games he is going to do some amazing shit. -- Build the Trenches to give the qb time so he'll have shots to take hitting Nabors.
Their job is ot be right. If any of these QB's turn out to be real good and help lead their team to do well while Nabors can't lead them out of mediocrity - then they're morons.
“Nabers is an electric playmaker and arguably this class’ most dangerous ball carrier in space. An incredibly smooth and explosive athlete with great ball skills, Nabers was an instant contributor in the SEC for LSU and made 161 catches (playing with Jayden Daniels) the last two seasons. There were some scouts who had Nabers ranked ahead of Harrison — he’s that good.”
“The Giants have questions about Daniel Jones, to be sure. But they still have so much work to do that bringing a first-round QB in to compete for the job wouldn’t have made much sense. Nabers is an awesome talent and will instantly make one of the slowest offenses faster. This is a sensible, efficient and potentially explosive draft pick.”
I am sorry but the last part is bullshit. If you want a QB you get them, you don't wait for things to be better, it never works that way..
Nabers is a great talent, and you'd have to think that he will make our offense more dangerous. The team needed weapons, playmakers... anything exciting. We got that.
One can easily point out Jones' shortcomings. Heck, I did 15 minutes ago. But, might as well root for the kid to play better behind an improved OL. Can't say that we haven't tried to improve the line year after year for him.
Eric is right. In a "normal" draft that didn't have such top-end QB depth and an All-World wideout in Harrison... Nabers would have been the top overall selection.
Fingers crossed he doesn't have any off-field issues, contract squabbles and the like. Rooting for him to be a good teammate that helps others in the locker room, and doesn't turn into a headache. LSU has a loonnngg history of fantastic wideouts. Hopefully we got the next one.
The giants have access to JJM/Penix/Nix level qb prospect next year than a Nabers level non-qb premium position prospect next year, so I personally think they made the right call. Maybe I’m overvaluing consensus opinion but teams weren’t trying to trade up ahead of us for Penix or JJM, so I don’t think Schoen was on an island in his assessment.
I wanted a Maye trade to happen but if the top 3 teams don’t want to move your hands are tied. So it’s elite blue chip wr, a 32 AAV position vs 2nd tier qb prospect. That’s the decision.
I hope you're right but I fear you will be wrong. JJM was rated 84 by SY as an example (It;s not like SY was the only 1 who had JJM rated very high.).. QB's are exponentially more improtant than a WR.
Think about it-- SY's ceiling for JJM was Joe Burrow. Nabors celing can never be Burrow.
The giants have access to JJM/Penix/Nix level qb prospect next year than a Nabers level non-qb premium position prospect next year, so I personally think they made the right call. Maybe I’m overvaluing consensus opinion but teams weren’t trying to trade up ahead of us for Penix or JJM, so I don’t think Schoen was on an island in his assessment.
I wanted a Maye trade to happen but if the top 3 teams don’t want to move your hands are tied. So it’s elite blue chip wr, a 32 AAV position vs 2nd tier qb prospect. That’s the decision.
I hope you're right but I fear you will be wrong. JJM was rated 84 by SY as an example (It;s not like SY was the only 1 who had JJM rated very high.).. QB's are exponentially more improtant than a WR.
Think about it-- SY's ceiling for JJM was Joe Burrow. Nabors celing can never be Burrow.
is a beast. Tremendous power. Physical at the POA and can rush.
Damn that is good pick for them.
I took Terrion Arnold for the Rams in the BBI mock. Verse was off the board having gone two picks earlier...but if he hadn't been taken, he would've been my guy. Great pick for the Rams.
The giants have access to JJM/Penix/Nix level qb prospect next year than a Nabers level non-qb premium position prospect next year, so I personally think they made the right call. Maybe I’m overvaluing consensus opinion but teams weren’t trying to trade up ahead of us for Penix or JJM, so I don’t think Schoen was on an island in his assessment.
I wanted a Maye trade to happen but if the top 3 teams don’t want to move your hands are tied. So it’s elite blue chip wr, a 32 AAV position vs 2nd tier qb prospect. That’s the decision.
I hope you're right but I fear you will be wrong. JJM was rated 84 by SY as an example (It;s not like SY was the only 1 who had JJM rated very high.).. QB's are exponentially more improtant than a WR.
Think about it-- SY's ceiling for JJM was Joe Burrow. Nabors celing can never be Burrow.
Nabers ceiling is Rice - no diff
Thanks for teh comedy.
Seeign how you are makign things up- I can also live in the same fanasy world you live in and say JJM's ceiling is Mahomes/Brady.
You see how easy it is for me to make things up like you did?
I hope you're right but I fear you will be wrong. JJM was rated 84 by SY as an example (It;s not like SY was the only 1 who had JJM rated very high.).. QB's are exponentially more improtant than a WR.
Think about it-- SY's ceiling for JJM was Joe Burrow. Nabors celing can never be Burrow.
I 100% respect Sy’s opinion, I’m sure a lot of skilled evaluators had him stacked similar but the Giants clearly didn’t, they would have picked him at 6 given their trade efforts for Maye. Their actions dictate a tier break after Maye. They could be wrong and they might be, but it doesn’t look like the Vikings were that convicted either because they didn’t act with a ton of urgency themselves. They waited until 1 pick in front to move on him when it was widely reported they were in on Maye and negotiating with NE as well. So you can safely assume it was a similar eval situation. It’s unlikely the Giants will have access to a similar prospect to Maye either, but I don’t think it's crazy to see them having access to a 2nd tier quy.
The giants have access to JJM/Penix/Nix level qb prospect next year than a Nabers level non-qb premium position prospect next year, so I personally think they made the right call. Maybe I’m overvaluing consensus opinion but teams weren’t trying to trade up ahead of us for Penix or JJM, so I don’t think Schoen was on an island in his assessment.
I wanted a Maye trade to happen but if the top 3 teams don’t want to move your hands are tied. So it’s elite blue chip wr, a 32 AAV position vs 2nd tier qb prospect. That’s the decision.
I hope you're right but I fear you will be wrong. JJM was rated 84 by SY as an example (It;s not like SY was the only 1 who had JJM rated very high.).. QB's are exponentially more improtant than a WR.
Think about it-- SY's ceiling for JJM was Joe Burrow. Nabors celing can never be Burrow.
Could fall all the way to Buffalo at 28. That's incredible and would be a coup for them. Who is going to take BTR before that pick?
Phi - No
Min - Unlikely
Dal - Doubtful
Green Bay - Maybe? But I'm thinking defense here.
Tampa Bay - Intriguing, but WR room is pretty crowded.
Ari - Just took MHJ... would they really go back to back?
Could fall all the way to Buffalo at 28. That's incredible and would be a coup for them. Who is going to take BTR before that pick?
Phi - No
Min - Unlikely
Dal - Doubtful
Green Bay - Maybe? But I'm thinking defense here.
Tampa Bay - Intriguing, but WR room is pretty crowded.
Ari - Just took MHJ... would they really go back to back?
And that leaves us at Buffalo.
Ari needs a couple WRs... that would be a draft... BTj and MHj
The fact that it is almost 11pm and they still have almost 1/3 of the first round to go is a problem to me. I think they have dragged out the draft way too much.
Eagles have like a hundred people in their war room.
The fact that it is almost 11pm and they still have almost 1/3 of the first round to go is a problem to me. I think they have dragged out the draft way too much.
Could fall all the way to Buffalo at 28. That's incredible and would be a coup for them. Who is going to take BTR before that pick?
Phi - No
Min - Unlikely
Dal - Doubtful
Green Bay - Maybe? But I'm thinking defense here.
Tampa Bay - Intriguing, but WR room is pretty crowded.
Ari - Just took MHJ... would they really go back to back?
And that leaves us at Buffalo.
You forgot MIN traded and it was JAX who goes... Brian Thomas Jr... nice pick
The overall physical package and what he can bring to the table is elite, top shelf tool set. But he played at Toledo. Toledo didn't play ANYBODY. He had a very slightly higher QB rating against to Terrion Arnold, who did what he did in the SEC.
The overall physical package and what he can bring to the table is elite, top shelf tool set. But he played at Toledo. Toledo didn't play ANYBODY. He had a very slightly higher QB rating against to Terrion Arnold, who did what he did in the SEC.
Nabers will eat him alive.
People said the same thing about Sauce. He was barely targeted this year and was by far the best CB at Senior Bowl.
Could fall all the way to Buffalo at 28. That's incredible and would be a coup for them. Who is going to take BTR before that pick?
Phi - No
Min - Unlikely
Dal - Doubtful
Green Bay - Maybe? But I'm thinking defense here.
Tampa Bay - Intriguing, but WR room is pretty crowded.
Ari - Just took MHJ... would they really go back to back?
And that leaves us at Buffalo.
You forgot MIN traded and it was JAX who goes... Brian Thomas Jr... nice pick
Thanks! That's a helluva pick for Jax, tremendous value, and a much needed big time target for Lawrence.
The overall physical package and what he can bring to the table is elite, top shelf tool set. But he played at Toledo. Toledo didn't play ANYBODY. He had a very slightly higher QB rating against to Terrion Arnold, who did what he did in the SEC.
Nabers will eat him alive.
Nabers is going to eat everyone alive... He is Tyreek-ish
Similar to how we expected the Lions to take a leap last season from their previous season in 2022. The Pack have got the QB. The rest of their team is following suit.
The overall physical package and what he can bring to the table is elite, top shelf tool set. But he played at Toledo. Toledo didn't play ANYBODY. He had a very slightly higher QB rating against to Terrion Arnold, who did what he did in the SEC.
Nabers will eat him alive.
People said the same thing about Sauce. He was barely targeted this year and was by far the best CB at Senior Bowl.
Sauce played better comp. Sauce put good tape together against Alabama. He played Notre Dame. Toledo played one power 5 teams in 2023, that being Illinois in week 1...a terrible offensive team that struggled to throw the ball. I think they were something like 84th in NCAA in points per game last year...or very close to that.
I'm not going to say Mitchell sucks, that's not true. As I said, elite tools. But you can't compare the comp between Sauce and Mitchell, and as I said, Arnold had a slightly better QB rating against playing in the SEC...I would've been more pissed if they took him.
RE: Eagles have like a hundred people in their war room.
From Kirk Cousins’ agent Mike McCartney on the #Falcons’ selecting QB Michael Penix Jr. eighth overall.
"Yes, it was a big surprise. We had no idea this was coming. The truth is the whole league had no idea this was coming. We got no heads up. Kirk got a call from the Falcons when they were on the clock. That was the first we heard. It never came up in any conversation.” Link - ( New Window )
Guyton is an excellent prospect at OT. Another fine job by Will McClay.
Agree on both counts. McClay is unbelievable at evaluating talent. He's done such a good job that Dallas may not be able to afford paying that talent second contracts.
one of my favorite WRs in the draft the guy I have been mocking to the Giants in the second round forever goes to SF... Ughhh I hate SF. Rickey Pearsall!
one of my favorite WRs in the draft the guy I have been mocking to the Giants in the second round forever goes to SF... Ughhh I hate SF. Rickey Pearsall!
no room with nabers. guessing this means deebo or aiyuk on the way out tomorrow.
one of my favorite WRs in the draft the guy I have been mocking to the Giants in the second round forever goes to SF... Ughhh I hate SF. Rickey Pearsall!
From Kirk Cousins’ agent Mike McCartney on the #Falcons’ selecting QB Michael Penix Jr. eighth overall.
"Yes, it was a big surprise. We had no idea this was coming. The truth is the whole league had no idea this was coming. We got no heads up. Kirk got a call from the Falcons when they were on the clock. That was the first we heard. It never came up in any conversation.” Link - ( New Window )
one of my favorite WRs in the draft the guy I have been mocking to the Giants in the second round forever goes to SF... Ughhh I hate SF. Rickey Pearsall!
I liked him a lot too.
Boom...got him for the Rams in the BBI Mock Draft at #52 overall. Pearsall is a dude.
Lawrence had a big time target in Ridley last year and Lawrence looked fair. He has a lot of skill talent around him and has not taken the next step
I'm a bit surprised he found his way into the first round. But if the 9ers like him, you have to think he was worth it.
You know, keep an eye on Graham Mertz this upcoming year. He actually had a good year in Gainesville in 2022 after leaving Madison. I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up some pretty big numbers in 2024 and gets some draft traction.
I hope you're right but I fear you will be wrong. JJM was rated 84 by SY as an example (It;s not like SY was the only 1 who had JJM rated very high.).. QB's are exponentially more improtant than a WR.
Think about it-- SY's ceiling for JJM was Joe Burrow. Nabors celing can never be Burrow.
I 100% respect Sy’s opinion, I’m sure a lot of skilled evaluators had him stacked similar but the Giants clearly didn’t, they would have picked him at 6 given their trade efforts for Maye. Their actions dictate a tier break after Maye. They could be wrong and they might be, but it doesn’t look like the Vikings were that convicted either because they didn’t act with a ton of urgency themselves. They waited until 1 pick in front to move on him when it was widely reported they were in on Maye and negotiating with NE as well. So you can safely assume it was a similar eval situation. It’s unlikely the Giants will have access to a similar prospect to Maye either, but I don’t think it's crazy to see them having access to a 2nd tier quy.
I agree- I didn't throw the remote- and I said "I fear" the analysis is wrong by bypassing the QB. The fact is Minny got him and instead Giants could have traded down-- but as you say they didn’t have the conviction.
But if they are wrong and any of those QB's are really good - this is a major blunder. If they are right = then terrific move. I believe it will prove to be a blunder unless they do very well start this year with their draft picks.
Bottomline is some teams took a big chance and reached as teams normally do with QB’s. The Giants chose not to reach. We’ll see who was more successful. I hope it’s us – but doubt it.
If I watched more games I would be divorced hahaha... I have seen a ton of FSU and I love Jarrian James for example later in the draft... In fact he will go higher than people think. Coleman I was not impressed.
If I watched more games I would be divorced hahaha... I have seen a ton of FSU and I love Jarrian James for example later in the draft... In fact he will go higher than people think. Coleman I was not impressed.
Again, Coleman is only 20 years old. A little more development he's going to be a monster.
Seahawks, Saints and Raiders all tried to move into the top ten
And let's see if they go to commercial when it's time for the Giants to pick...as usual!
Head says we end up trading down or taking Odunze or Nabers.
Sheesh
Might be a good bet
on the positive side im starting to feel like there wont be many trades and 1 of them will get to #6 with WRs going 4/5.
And let's see if they go to commercial when it's time for the Giants to pick...as usual!
The teams don’t milk the clock. The production crew does. Twitter/X usually has the picks waaaaay before they’re announced on air.
A vocal number to kick off the draft?!
...just wow~
Couldn't someone in the war room call in a bet when the team's on the clock?
lol
If not Maye I'll just have to hope for the best from Malik, JJ or Odunze.
A vocal number to kick off the draft?!
...just wow~
That wanted a ventriloquist, but he was already booked.
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we probably won't trade up.
Rico : 7:45 pm : link : reply : Delete
we probably won't trade up.
Very telling.
@JordanRaanan
With New England seemingly not willing to move out of No. 3, attention now shifts to J.J. McCarthy or WR at pick 6 for the Giants.
LOL
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we probably won't trade up.
This might simply be because there would be no need to. Or they don’t love McCarthy. I’m still going with the former.
There are some very promising QB prospects next year and Penix could slide still if the Vikings get a top 4 QB.
I love Jaxon Dart, I like Ward, Ewers has some promise. Trading a massive haul for a bust is the worst possible scenario. Not saying Maye will bust, but he has a really questionable tendency to crumble under pressure getting flustered, locking onto first read, running into sacks and throwing interceptions. It's not a good tendency and if it's just how his mind works then there aren't any fixes to that.
I want to see him nod in approval when they pick the guy Tyrod Taylor will be throwing to, after oh idk, game 4?
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Rico : 7:45 pm : link : reply : Delete
we probably won't trade up.
This might simply be because there would be no need to. Or they don’t love McCarthy. I’m still going with the former.
We have 2 asshats that have said we wouldn't take JJM at 6, now Rico saying no trade up if Maye goes to NE. I'm hoping that doesn't lead to us passing or trading down with him on the board, it is what it is though.
@JordanRaanan
With New England seemingly not willing to move out of No. 3, attention now shifts to J.J. McCarthy or WR at pick 6 for the Giants.
not sure if im being swayed entirely by rumors but im think the 2 choices will be jjm or odunze. mhj/nabers gone to ari/lac.
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@JordanRaanan
With New England seemingly not willing to move out of No. 3, attention now shifts to J.J. McCarthy or WR at pick 6 for the Giants.
not sure if im being swayed entirely by rumors but im think the 2 choices will be jjm or odunze. mhj/nabers gone to ari/lac.
Not a bad scenario.
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If Maye gets picked,
Rico : 7:45 pm : link : reply : Delete
we probably won't trade up.
This might simply be because there would be no need to. Or they don’t love McCarthy. I’m still going with the former.
We have 2 asshats that have said we wouldn't take JJM at 6, now Rico saying no trade up if Maye goes to NE. I'm hoping that doesn't lead to us passing or trading down with him on the board, it is what it is though.
We still have Schrager and Peppers
Jk, really tho ;)
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If Maye gets picked,
Rico : 7:45 pm : link : reply : Delete
we probably won't trade up.
This might simply be because there would be no need to. Or they don’t love McCarthy. I’m still going with the former.
We have 2 asshats that have said we wouldn't take JJM at 6, now Rico saying no trade up if Maye goes to NE. I'm hoping that doesn't lead to us passing or trading down with him on the board, it is what it is though.
We still have Schrager and Peppers
And GoDeep
That would be incredible.
Yes :) it sure is exciting though.
BBI has major melt down......
Agreed.
Probably wishful thinking at this point.
Seemed like it two hours ago. A little surprised that didn't come into fruition. Oh well.
WAS- Daniels
NE- Maye
MIN- (trade up with ARI)- McCarthy
LAC- Harrison Jr.
I'm really, really hoping it doesn't break down that way. Nabers and Odunze are fine consolation prizes, I guess. Was just hoping to get a QB instead.
How do you know this? Asshats have gone silent and vibe is NE got cold feet about missing out on QB.
Lol,facts
If none of the above, I would love to see them somehow get Odunze and then Penix late in the first with some type of trade...
If none of the above, I would love to see them somehow get Odunze and then Penix late in the first with some type of trade...
Very possible if Minnesota trades up, if not I think they snag Penix
Making $40 million a year tends to make one extremely delusional (or so I hear).
You ain't kidding.
100%...the Mad Mel character is awesome...
I think he's laughing at the whole thing after all these years. He's making a ridiculous amount of money and finds this whole thing humorous at this point.
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does Goodell think people admire him?
I think he's laughing at the whole thing after all these years. He's making a ridiculous amount of money and finds this whole thing humorous at this point.
Maybe he has a bet with Bettman for who can get booed louder
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does Goodell think people admire him?
I think he's laughing at the whole thing after all these years. He's making a ridiculous amount of money and finds this whole thing humorous at this point.
Calling any of these players by number is a pretty ridiculous take. It makes it seem like that order is what you’re going to get out of their careers.
So much for Maye, barring the unforseen.
Head says we end up trading down or taking Odunze or Nabers.
Sheesh
not a bad handicap
They're busy printing money.
So much for Maye, barring the unforseen.
Rickey's sources were bbi asshats on this I bet
So much for Maye, barring the unforseen.
Thanks for the rings Robert.
@prettyrickey213
It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3 to take Drake Maye. I'm sorry and I love you guys. I hope I can work to earn your trust back. Based on the intel I was getting that's what it looked like was going to happen. #fraudalert
QB4 or WR2/3 at #6 please.
+1
So much for Maye, barring the unforseen.
It’s a bad look when you make a call which violently conflicts with betting odds and get it wrong. It means you had bad info and relayed it over-confidently. Betting markets know more than you, always.
The 1st pick should only have 4 min to pick. You had 5 months.
@prettyrickey213
It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3 to take Drake Maye. I'm sorry and I love you guys. I hope I can work to earn your trust back. Based on the intel I was getting that's what it looked like was going to happen. #fraudalert
Schoen knew.
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"It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3 to take Drake Maye. I'm sorry and I love you guys. I hope I can work to earn your trust back. Based on the intel I was getting that's what it looked like was going to happen. #fraudalert
So much for Maye, barring the unforseen.
It’s a bad look when you make a call which violently conflicts with betting odds and get it wrong. It means you had bad info and relayed it over-confidently. Betting markets know more than you, always.
This isn’t a slam at Rickey by the way. It’s just a comment that wisdom of crowds is very very good.
So much for Maye, barring the unforseen.
Or is it brinkmanship?
Pass the Maalox, lol.
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"It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3 to take Drake Maye. I'm sorry and I love you guys. I hope I can work to earn your trust back. Based on the intel I was getting that's what it looked like was going to happen. #fraudalert
So much for Maye, barring the unforseen.
It’s a bad look when you make a call which violently conflicts with betting odds and get it wrong. It means you had bad info and relayed it over-confidently. Betting markets know more than you, always.
No they don't. They had Will Levis going top 5 last year. He didn't even get drafted in the 1st round.
QB4 or WR2/3 at #6 please.
I wouldn't mind trading for 11 and 23 and getting one of the top CB at 11
Thank goodness for those extra wins!
Two things..
1. it is stupid to send your selection in so quickly
2. the NFL is selling ads here too. They dont want the night to end too early. I will wager there are times when the pick announcement is delayed for this reason.
Rico says if Maye is taken, then no tradeup
If they take a WR Daboll will not be the HC in February of 2025
And Shoen may not be GM either
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While hoping a shit QB class looks better come next April..lovely strategy..
If they take a WR Daboll will not be the HC in February of 2025
And Shoen may not be GM either
Yep, and I'd have no sympathy for either one of them.
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Move up to 4 for JJM then.
Rico says if Maye is taken, then no tradeup
Cards and Chargers won’t wanna drop.
JJ or trade will be options for us
Crazy... Caleb Williams just went.... was hoping he would fall to our second round pick.
Crazy... Caleb Williams just went.... was hoping he would fall to our second round pick.
Agreed.
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wonder who this could be.
Crazy... Caleb Williams just went.... was hoping he would fall to our second round pick.
The second round pick from the Saints?
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This team had too many holes to overpay for a trade up. As exciting as it sounded, standing pat is the right move if the Pats were being unreasonable.
Agreed.
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While hoping a shit QB class looks better come next April..lovely strategy..
If they take a WR Daboll will not be the HC in February of 2025
And Shoen may not be GM either
Yep, and I'd have no sympathy for either one of them.
I would be on board with their termination.
Separately, sources tell me Vikings are prepared to continue talks with Patriots when NE is on clock. Maye is player to watch, but trade comp is still way off."
Separately, sources tell me Vikings are prepared to continue talks with Patriots when NE is on clock. Maye is player to watch, but trade comp is still way off."
Seems like Schoen might have a preliminary deal in place with NE, but NE is holding out hope for much more than a modest deal while guaranteeing them JJM
Separately, sources tell me Vikings are prepared to continue talks with Patriots when NE is on clock. Maye is player to watch, but trade comp is still way off."
NE would be passing on potential QB then?!
Time for everyone to get really, really pissed off.
just stop...
Because they kept 2 firsts and multiple other assets rather than bid up for a QB they don’t like?
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I don't want them to mortgage limited capital to gamble on saving their jobs. If it backfires we are doubly screwed
$650, so not a game changer, but a a couple nice dinners.
The players are never going to tank nor should they, but those wins by DeVito fucked us hard. A guy who has zero chance to be the long term starter catching lightning in a bottle for a few games, only the Giants could that somehow be a bad thing.
@AdamSchefter
One source said there is “0 chance” the Patriots trade the No. 3 overall pick. They will stick and take their QB of the future.
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I don't want them to mortgage limited capital to gamble on saving their jobs. If it backfires we are doubly screwed
We're screwed without a QB. Period
I'd take Penix before I took McCarthy too
We have no future until we have a legit QB.
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Schoen and Daboll got fired..
I don't want them to mortgage limited capital to gamble on saving their jobs. If it backfires we are doubly screwed
We're screwed without a QB. Period
There are still others on the board
Well yeah, reporting that once the pick is in isn't a scoop.
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We aren’t dumb enough to give away the whole future for the third or fourth best QB.
We have no future until we have a legit QB.
Correct
I'd take Penix before I took McCarthy too
Yea but you screamed about Darnold for months so why are you tricking yourself again into believing you actually know who to pick?
@GiantInsider
Drake Maye to the Pats. Giants tried to move up but didn't happen.
Yea just like RGIII
I'd take Penix before I took McCarthy too
word stick at 6
It is ahead of the ESPN broadcast too. Maybe 30 seconds?
And let's see if they go to commercial when it's time for the Giants to pick...as usual!
Two excellent points.
JJ. NYG shut out. Saw that coming
Certainly could be, but I thought the same thing about RG III.
No they aren't
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Yea just like RGIII
He was his first year. Injuries derailed him.
Wow, just wow.
@JordanRaanan
Patriots select Drake Maye No. 3.
This was always part of the equation. Getting a consensus top 3 QB wasn't a Giants decision. It was a Chicago, Washington and New England decision.
Grab a WR.
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Yea just like RGIII
i think daniels goes almost exactly the way of RG3. talent plays but injuries/league adjusting lead to disappointing career. he is so slight but running so important to his success, dont see how he stays healthy.
Wow, just wow.
I heard the offer was good, but NE wanted more.
Wow, just wow.
Patriots were trying to fleece teams. Glad they told them to S a D.
Trade down.
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I'd take Penix before I took McCarthy too
Yea but you screamed about Darnold for months so why are you tricking yourself again into believing you actually know who to pick?
Yeah, I was certainly the only one who liked Darnold.
Darnold, even in hindsight, would have been a better pick than Barkley. At least it was taking a swing for the fences instead of the Barkley pick which had exactly zero chance of ever being the right pick.
We’ll see.
@AndrewMarchand
Belichick just crushed Drake Maye, focusing on his footwork.
New England, hello!
Agreed. I don't think we're getting a QB in RD1.
Well if we don’t get one, we’ll definitely be in position to get one next year with our current QB room.
Wow, just wow.
You don’t know what the Pats were asking for….obviously more than NY was willing to give. Apparently the Vikes were not satisfied either. Come on SF…you’re smarter than this…..don’t make a rush to judgment without having all the facts.
@AndrewMarchand
Belichick just crushed Drake Maye, focusing on his footwork.
New England, hello!
LOL. He hates Jonathan Kraft. I’m sure the younger Kraft pushed for Maye here.
Trade down.
Yep. With Lock or Jones, a first round WR will look like a bust.
Tommy DeVito just made sure they didn't have a chance to draft his replacement in the first round.
Sigh.
Tommy DeVito just made sure they didn't have a chance to draft his replacement in the first round.
You don’t like McCarthy so you’re overlooking that option. But it’s a legit option.
Tommy DeVito just made sure they didn't have a chance to draft his replacement in the first round.
yeah blame Devito for doing what a QB is supposed to do
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will be wasted on this team for years with no QB talent.
Trade down.
Yep. With Lock or Jones, a first round WR will look like a bust.
Our QB room castrates any "stud* WR.
Hopefully we get JJ at 6. Almost there
This team won’t seriously compete until it gets a QB.
And BBI will shit its cage. 😆
@PLeonardNYDN
If the Giants want a QB who is also coveted by another team, trading slightly up with the Chargers here would be the way to ensure they got their guy
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the organization is content with Jones.
Tommy DeVito just made sure they didn't have a chance to draft his replacement in the first round.
yeah blame Devito for doing what a QB is supposed to do
I'm not blaming him, just stating a fact. His hot streak is the one and only reason we didn't pick top 3.
i watched him quite a bit this year, and just didn't see what was so special. i'm no scout, but he didn't seem accurate to me.
Nabers
And BBI will shit its cage. 😆
And BBI will shit its cage. 😆
Not me, I'm not sold on JJM
That's the question.
seemed like momentum for a WR today, but could see them doing any of the 3. hardest situation in the top 5 to read imo.
This.
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He won’t be wasted on any team.
This team won’t seriously compete until it gets a QB.
I agree but identifying a franchise qb is hard. Was completely on board with Maye in a trade up. If the cards aligned and we had a top 3 pick I’d be all for QB as well. I don’t have a problem with JJM but feel like it’s more of a sprint to win on his rookie deal if he’s the pick.
I don’t think the “qb at all costs” crowd truly appreciates how good these Wrs are as prospects and it’s in the discussion for most valuable non-qb position.
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and the Giants will take a WR.
And BBI will shit its cage. 😆
Not me, I'm not sold on JJM
Agree. But at least they won’t give up draft picks
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He won’t be wasted on any team.
This team won’t seriously compete until it gets a QB.
I agree but identifying a franchise qb is hard. Was completely on board with Maye in a trade up. If the cards aligned and we had a top 3 pick I’d be all for QB as well. I don’t have a problem with JJM but feel like it’s more of a sprint to win on his rookie deal if he’s the pick.
I don’t think the “qb at all costs” crowd truly appreciates how good these Wrs are as prospects and it’s in the discussion for most valuable non-qb position.
Best WRs in NFL are a late first rounder and a bunch of 2nd rounders along with a few mid rounders.
Adding talent at playmaking positions is fine but it’s like adding gold-leaf monitors when your CPU and Keyboard is shit.
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and the Giants will take a WR.
And BBI will shit its cage. 😆
Not me, I'm not sold on JJM
Agree. But at least they won’t give up draft picks
No thanks to JJM. I'm for Odunze.
Off by a single pick.
If true, trade down.
I was always surprised Nabers wasn't projected to go to the Chargers more often.
@RapSheet
The #Chargers are picking -- no trade. Which means the #Giants patience paid off if they want a new QB.
Hopefully
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The NYG are on the clock!!!
If true, trade down.
I don't think it is true. PrettyRickey213 posted Nabers on Twitter. Now he's saying Alt.
AJ Brown and Amon Ra St Brown say hello!
That would be incredibly ironic after supposedly competing with them for Maye.
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He won’t be wasted on any team.
This team won’t seriously compete until it gets a QB.
I agree but identifying a franchise qb is hard. Was completely on board with Maye in a trade up. If the cards aligned and we had a top 3 pick I’d be all for QB as well. I don’t have a problem with JJM but feel like it’s more of a sprint to win on his rookie deal if he’s the pick.
I don’t think the “qb at all costs” crowd truly appreciates how good these Wrs are as prospects and it’s in the discussion for most valuable non-qb position.
Best WRs in NFL are a late first rounder and a bunch of 2nd rounders along with a few mid rounders.
Adding talent at playmaking positions is fine but it’s like adding gold-leaf monitors when your CPU and Keyboard is shit.
Jamar Chase just happened. These guys, at least MHJ and Nabers are widely considered in his class. Odunze is right there as well.
No
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The NYG are on the clock!!!
No
I fixed it
Who did they really want?
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You can argue that 3 of the top 5 WR prospects of the last decade are in this class. Guys that would be #1 overall prospects in bad qb drafts. WRs are getting 32 AAV deals now.
AJ Brown and Amon Ra St Brown say hello!
Key word being Prospects. Use consensus or Sy’s rankings, these guys are rare prospects. These aren’t the worst consolations.
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He won’t be wasted on any team.
This team won’t seriously compete until it gets a QB.
I agree but identifying a franchise qb is hard. Was completely on board with Maye in a trade up. If the cards aligned and we had a top 3 pick I’d be all for QB as well. I don’t have a problem with JJM but feel like it’s more of a sprint to win on his rookie deal if he’s the pick.
I don’t think the “qb at all costs” crowd truly appreciates how good these Wrs are as prospects and it’s in the discussion for most valuable non-qb position.
Best WRs in NFL are a late first rounder and a bunch of 2nd rounders along with a few mid rounders.
Adding talent at playmaking positions is fine but it’s like adding gold-leaf monitors when your CPU and Keyboard is shit.
Jamar Chase just happened. These guys, at least MHJ and Nabers are widely considered in his class. Odunze is right there as well.
Chase has Joe Burrow. Come on and use your noggin.
McCarthy or Nabers/Odunze.
What feed are you watching? You are ahead of me somehow.
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took Alt, not Nabers.
What feed are you watching? You are ahead of me somehow.
Internet.
Trade down! hahaha
Trade down with Bears?
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The NYG are on the clock!!!
I was always surprised Nabers wasn't projected to go to the Chargers more often.
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Oh well. Another year of Jones under center. Time to go find a freaking noose.
+1
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Agree.
I know, they crack me up with "top 3" talk when odds are 2/3 will bust or have short careers.
It gets really old, though.
Fire everyone if this season is over in October and Jones has his usual 2-3 TDs and 1-5 record
Tough to go against Vegas oddsmakers
How INEPT is Schoen?
A good pick. One roster hole filled.
@DMRussini
The Giants believe they can still build around Daniel Jones. They have confidence in him. It was Maye or bust.
Sure did.
35 catches/650 yards/3 tds
Nothing changes until a QB arrives..
But Nabers is a beast.
I wish we would have wound up with one of the 3 QBs but with all of them off the board im satisfied with Nabers. Incredible receiver prospect
[quote] Enjoy another year of losing. [/quote
2024 already over. Hope John Mara enjoys pissing away their 100th season
@DMRussini
The Giants believe they can still build around Daniel Jones. They have confidence in him. It was Maye or bust.
John Mara has spoken. LOL
Now let’s trade up at the end of the round for our QB and it’ll be a night to remember for the giants!!
And JJM is going to go 8+. Like I have been saying for months, 4 QBs in the top 7 has never happened before and this isn’t the first year.
Love it and no traded picks.
Punt to 2025
Awesome strategy
It takes time to build a team. Can't force a pick if you don't like the player
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@DMRussini
The Giants believe they can still build around Daniel Jones. They have confidence in him. It was Maye or bust.
John Mara has spoken. LOL
Go DJ. First play fumble
Go root for the jets
This. All day this.
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well I didn't wanna watch football next year anyway.
QB is possibly still in play either round 2 or trade up back to round 1.
Stop. There is not one QB left in this draft I want.
Yes. Pleaaaaase.
This is the trade we need to make. Back into the first to grab Penix
Best player available by far. Great pick!
LOL.
Bwhaaa, bwhaaa, bwhaaa, bwhaaa, haa, haaaa!!!!!
BBI, I love you. Never change
This guy has the makings of a stud. We’ll need someone who can get the ball down the field to him, but this is a big piece of the puzzle.
I would have rather had Odunze. Better still, if they were not drafting a QB, trade down to Minnesota and get multiple #1s and take Brian Thomas as a #1 WR.
This is lame to me.
🙂 That's a dream scenario
So many options, all of them good. Not getting one of the QB's is disappointing, but honestly, that wasn't going to happen without nearly crippling the rebuild, so just have to accept it and take the best available option. I thought there would have been a trade down though, but OBJ 2.0? Yeah, let's do it.
It’s by design. Keeps the NFL relevant in the dead period.
Jones is coming off an injury. we can't really judge him until the 2025 season to be fair.
Who do you like tomorrow? Rattler? Milton? the kid from Bridgewater State?
He is a Jamar Chase clone.
I have to change my draft wants... Looking at Nabers, Orhorhoro, Christian Haynes, and then in the 4th... Joe Milton or Pratt.
Seriously. Go root for the Jets
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IF Jones is unable to get the ball to Nabers, that will show them they need to go another direction at QB.
Jones is coming off an injury. we can't really judge him until the 2025 season to be fair.
Better chance of a random BBI'er being the Giants QB in 2025 than Jones. He's getting cut next off-season
I would have rather had Odunze. Better still, if they were not drafting a QB, trade down to Minnesota and get multiple #1s and take Brian Thomas as a #1 WR.
This is lame to me.
It has nothing to do with Mara. The Giants tried to trade up for a QB. The Pats weren't interested in making a trade. Don't force a QB just to say you took a QB. They obviously didn't have JJM graded as high as Nabers. To be honest nobody did.
That’s why it’s called QB hell, it’s hard to get of. Can’t really force it.
We’re gonna flirt with forcing it next year on either a similar level prospect to JJM or a Dak to big $$ in FA but that’s where we are. If we lost more games we could have had access to a guy they deemed a blue chip.
So many options, all of them good. Not getting one of the QB's is disappointing, but honestly, that wasn't going to happen without nearly crippling the rebuild, so just have to accept it and take the best available option. I thought there would have been a trade down though, but OBJ 2.0? Yeah, let's do it.
lol. "Malik is the best Malik can be!"
I dug his suit lining though.
I would have rather had Odunze. Better still, if they were not drafting a QB, trade down to Minnesota and get multiple #1s and take Brian Thomas as a #1 WR.
This is lame to me.
It can be pretty tough to trade down. You need a willing partner, good return, etc.
I would have rather had Odunze. Better still, if they were not drafting a QB, trade down to Minnesota and get multiple #1s and take Brian Thomas as a #1 WR.
This is lame to me.
I agree. We have become the joke of the business. Another exciting season.
If we believe the asshats, baldy wanted Nabers hard.
Perhaps they trade back into first and get one if the remaining top 6 QBs.
When? In 20 years?
It's nothing like 2018. The top 3 QBs were gone this year. Can't pick a player that isn't available
He has to be face down in the gutter knowing that he'll see this again in 2024!
I will modify my answer by saying that they might take Nix or Penix if they were somehow available at #47.
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The Giants did not have to move up. I do not understand. And I for one do not want another OBJ. I do not want anyone with potential character issues.
I would have rather had Odunze. Better still, if they were not drafting a QB, trade down to Minnesota and get multiple #1s and take Brian Thomas as a #1 WR.
This is lame to me.
I agree. We have become the joke of the business. Another exciting season.
Warm up the plane and get the clown picture ready. But hey, we can always look forward to the free medium Pepsi next year.
Truer words are rarely written on this site.
New England qb's don't have a great resume burning the Giants, especially in big games. *grin*
LOL WTF They do some odd shit.
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The HC is a QB guru and he’ll have never had a chance to develop his own guy.
If we believe the asshats, baldy wanted Nabers hard.
Giants1986 might have intel about Daboll loving Penix
Better chance of a random BBI'er being the Giants QB in 2025 than Jones. He's getting cut next off-season
Nice job convincing Mara at the Rangers game, Mook.
Idiot... ;)
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Omg. What a terrible pick after signing Kirk.
LOL WTF They do some odd shit.
Penix will be 35 by the time he gets to start
I have to change my draft wants... Looking at Nabers, Orhorhoro, Christian Haynes, and then in the 4th... Joe Milton or Pratt.
Draft class next year looks to shit at QB. That obviously can change but the only one I'm intrigued by currently is Carson Beck but I dont think he's as good as the top 3 this year or even that close to it.
Besides Beck it's brutal. Deion's kid, Quinn Ewers, Cam Ward.
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Omg. What a terrible pick after signing Kirk.
LOL WTF They do some odd shit.
Falcons get it.
It's never bad to pick high end QBs. The Giants haven't taken a QB in 5 years. Don't wonder why we suck.
OK, so compare what DJ did in college and what JJM did, and tell me who deserved to be picked at 6 more.
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Omg. What a terrible pick after signing Kirk.
LOL WTF They do some odd shit.
Falcons get it.
Yes
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Omg. What a terrible pick after signing Kirk.
It's never bad to pick high end QBs. The Giants haven't taken a QB in 5 years. Don't wonder why we suck.
They just signed a QB to a 4 year 180 million dollar deal. Even if he starts after Kirk's 2nd year he'll be 26 before he starts a game in the NFL.
WR rooms goes from a weakness to a strength.
Every gets a boost.
As long as OL can block for 3 seconds....we should be fine.
Jones....or Drew Lock has all the tools.
Daboll is a QB whisperer
Or not
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Omg. What a terrible pick after signing Kirk.
It's never bad to pick high end QBs. The Giants haven't taken a QB in 5 years. Don't wonder why we suck.
After passing QB round one, I was hoping the Giants could get him somehow.
No QB this year, sucks to me. The thought of watching Jones again is depressing
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Omg. What a terrible pick after signing Kirk.
It's never bad to pick high end QBs. The Giants haven't taken a QB in 5 years. Don't wonder why we suck.
They just signed a QB to a 4 year 180 million dollar deal. Even if he starts after Kirk's 2nd year he'll be 26 before he starts a game in the NFL.
This makes no sense at all... Trade Cousins! hahaha
in 2029?
I don’t think anyone else wants him. He may be there at #47.
Or he is this years will levis
Yep.
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Omg. What a terrible pick after signing Kirk.
It's never bad to pick high end QBs. The Giants haven't taken a QB in 5 years. Don't wonder why we suck.
After passing QB round one, I was hoping the Giants could get him somehow.
No QB this year, sucks to me. The thought of watching Jones again is depressing
Don't watch.
Hush mongo, hush.
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Or he is this years will levis
I think it's time to realize teams didnt love JJM as much as the media was lead to believe.
Why does this guy get nine lives? People make a million excuses as to why he should improve the following year, and it has NEVER happened.
ONE game. ONE win against Minnesota "earned" him that contract - and now we're stuck with his inability to go through progressions, fragile body and turnovers for another year.
This team has spent an unholy amount of resources to give him weapons and a better OL. He better damn well improve.
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I don’t think anyone else wants him. He may be there at #47.
I see him being really good in Minnesota
They should.
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Omg. What a terrible pick after signing Kirk.
It's never bad to pick high end QBs. The Giants haven't taken a QB in 5 years. Don't wonder why we suck.
After passing QB round one, I was hoping the Giants could get him somehow.
No QB this year, sucks to me. The thought of watching Jones again is depressing
Don't watch.
No I will watch for sure. Just we had a high pick this year, lots of QB's. I think we need one and it's difficult to be in a position to draft one.
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Aren’t in charge of the team. Don’t know if Jones will look better with an improved receiving core and better blocking but I sure hope so because I’m a Giant fan and I want to see them play well and him succeed!!! You guys are more interested in your opinions being validated!
Truer words are rarely written on this site.
Thanks! Appreciate the kind words.
And with our receivers maybe he can be a bit like Purdy.
you never know
If he's healthy, he can be excellent. Easy player to root for.
@MySportsUpdate
Trade! #Vikings are trading from No. 11 to No. 10 with the #Jets.
When will he play?
He gone... 10 to Minny
They get what? They just signed cousins to a $100m guaranteed contract and draft a 24 year old QB to sit for 2 years min?
It's looking like a blue chip defender.
We will see how he does in Minnesota.
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Watch.
When will he play?
Cousins is mid 30’s, coming off injury…Penix time will come sooner than later.
And with our receivers maybe he can be a bit like Purdy.
you never know
We need a QB upgrade, not protection, an Pratt is not an upgrade. Another longshot.
Real nice.
Air Chicago!
Less of an issue now that QB's are playing so much longer.
They should have taken the WR that isn't as good?
Why not? We got Daniel a weapon.
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as qb protection going into next year if Jones gets hurt and Lock on a one year deal at least they have someone who can game manage.
And with our receivers maybe he can be a bit like Purdy.
you never know
We need a QB upgrade, not protection, an Pratt is not an upgrade. Another longshot.
I'd love to hear the explanation later.
A lot of talk about the Broncos liking Nix. So not likely he'll make it to round 2.
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I just can’t
Why not? We got Daniel a weapon.
You mean Drew Lock..or Tommy Cutlets..oof.
Why trade if JJ’s their man? The Jets weren’t going to pick JJ just asking
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I just can’t
Why not? We got Daniel a weapon.
The Giants are awful for the past decade for a reason. Sorry terps, Penix at 8 must have stung
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I just can’t
Why not? We got Daniel a weapon.
We've tried surrounding the kid with weapons.
We've tried to improve the OL in front of him, repeatedly.
When can people just start to admit that he isn't very good?
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I just can’t
I'd love to hear the explanation later.
It is not hard. McCarthy isn't as good as people think.
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ok
Why trade if JJ’s their man? The Jets weren’t going to pick JJ just asking
Denver wanted to come up
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Maybe we should think about grabbing JJ in Rd 2?
We will see how he does in Minnesota.
I wish him good fortune. So long as his interests do not interfere with our own.
It's smart. Let him cook for 2 years then tuen it over. The anti nyg move
Too early for Penix or McCarthy but they go 2 and 4 picks behind us.
But we may have Odell Beckham Jr. All over again.
Nice.
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I just can’t
Why not? We got Daniel a weapon.
We've tried surrounding the kid with weapons.
We've tried to improve the OL in front of him, repeatedly.
When can people just start to admit that he isn't very good?
Haha. What a joke.
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The guy the giants should have selected.
They should have taken the WR that isn't as good?
Wow, Bears are stacked! Crazy.
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I just can’t
Why not? We got Daniel a weapon.
We've tried surrounding the kid with weapons.
We've tried to improve the OL in front of him, repeatedly.
When can people just start to admit that he isn't very good?
We really haven't surrounded him with weapons if we are being fair ND we haven't put a good OL in front of him
John just loves Daniel.
Too early for Penix or McCarthy but they go 2 and 4 picks behind us.
But we may have Odell Beckham Jr. All over again.
Nice.
What don’t people understand. Taking a QB does not solve the Giants need at QB. It has to be the right QB.
Too early for Penix or McCarthy but they go 2 and 4 picks behind us.
But we may have Odell Beckham Jr. All over again.
Nice.
We keep doing the same shit all over again. And this QB just keeps getting more chances.
Haha. What a joke.
Idk why you'd be more convinced then ever. They just tried to trade up to 3 for a QB. They obviously aren't all in on him.
They just didn't like any of the other QBs. Which is understandable. They all have massive question marks.
Don’t shop hungry. The 9ers have shown how to do it. Build the TEAMwhile plugging QB’s until you find one.
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Leaving is holding our dicks another year?
Too early for Penix or McCarthy but they go 2 and 4 picks behind us.
But we may have Odell Beckham Jr. All over again.
Nice.
What don’t people understand. Taking a QB does not solve the Giants need at QB. It has to be the right QB.
That’s way too rational a comment for draft night
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I just can’t
I'd love to hear the explanation later.
It is not hard. McCarthy isn't as good as people think.
We'll see won't we.
Daboll and Schoen need to take a CHANCE.
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Leaving is holding our dicks another year?
Too early for Penix or McCarthy but they go 2 and 4 picks behind us.
But we may have Odell Beckham Jr. All over again.
Nice.
What don’t people understand. Taking a QB does not solve the Giants need at QB. It has to be the right QB.
Yes!! This is ecsctly right. Don't take a QB just to say you took a QB. That's how you end up with Daniel Jones type QBs.
- Winner
- Efficient
- Alex Smith
Might as well be
- Breathing
- Human
- Football player
Bears and Falcons are two teams that should take enormous leaps next year.
Can't wait for the Jones sucks threads week 1.. Just feels deflating...
- Winner
- Efficient
- Alex Smith
Might as well be
- Breathing
- Human
- Football player
lol
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I just can’t
I'd love to hear the explanation later.
It is not hard. McCarthy isn't as good as people think.
Penix went 8, McCarthy went 10 and Nix is going off soon too. If any of those QBs end up being good this regime is going to be scrutinized and rightfully so.
- Winner
- Efficient
- Alex Smith
Might as well be
- Breathing
- Human
- Football player
LOL.
Don’t shop hungry. The 9ers have shown how to do it. Build the TEAMwhile plugging QB’s until you find one.
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Leaving is holding our dicks another year?
Too early for Penix or McCarthy but they go 2 and 4 picks behind us.
But we may have Odell Beckham Jr. All over again.
Nice.
What don’t people understand. Taking a QB does not solve the Giants need at QB. It has to be the right QB.
That’s way too rational a comment for draft night
This, they clearly didn’t like anyone outside the top 3. Can’t force it. This is what happens when you win meaningless games.
bill getting ready to coach nyg in 2025 lol.
they keep spoiling the picks lol. Getting intel befor ethey anounce on TV
What is the link? Thanks.
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Nix in round 2?
He won't be there
Nix might go here at #12 and won't pass #14.
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Dude is just ripping apart almost everyone. Loves Nabers though.
What is the link? Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pWRjnVa2rw
Because Aaron Rodgers is the one doing the drafting for the Jets
I wanted JJM at #6, but am also thrilled with Nabers.
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do something GB never did... They pick and OL to help Aaron Rodgers... or picked any offense to help AR
Because Aaron Rodgers is the one doing the drafting for the Jets
He made a great pick
So did the Raiders
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Dude is just ripping apart almost everyone. Loves Nabers though.
What is the link? Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pWRjnVa2rw
It's not hard to properly link...
Pat McAfee's 5th Annual Draft Spectacular with Bill Belichick | April 25th, 2024 - ( New Window )
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In comment 16488559 NJ_GIANTS said:
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Dude is just ripping apart almost everyone. Loves Nabers though.
What is the link? Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pWRjnVa2rw
Thanks!
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have been QB. I'm not complaining, but add that to the Giants draft resume. In a draft where they had top 10, and half the picks were QB, Giants didn't take one.
good point, almost shocking. I think Giants are trying to save face for the whacked out contract handed to JJ. It would look like they were clueless.
Taking McCarthy, Pennix or Nix at 6 would have been a bad move. You can’t take a QB just to take a QB.
You don't pick based on need, but you do build a team one piece at a time with solid picks. Do that and in year or two you look up and you have a competitive team. This pick was not a reach and makes the team better.
Smart play. Insurance for 2024 and longer term.
Yup.
Says who? It's not like Malik Willis who went a few rounds later. These guys all got drafted in the top half of the 1st round.
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have been QB. I'm not complaining, but add that to the Giants draft resume. In a draft where they had top 10, and half the picks were QB, Giants didn't take one.
good point, almost shocking. I think Giants are trying to save face for the whacked out contract handed to JJ. It would look like they were clueless.
Taking McCarthy, Pennix or Nix at 6 would have been a bad move. You can’t take a QB just to take a QB.
Is it really a reach if they went 8, 10, 12?
Good. I've been advocating for a QB all offseason. If they didn't love any of the QBs available they shouldn't have picked one. You can't take a QB just to say you took a QB. That's how you end up with shitty QBs (Ex. Daniel Jones)
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have been QB. I'm not complaining, but add that to the Giants draft resume. In a draft where they had top 10, and half the picks were QB, Giants didn't take one.
good point, almost shocking. I think Giants are trying to save face for the whacked out contract handed to JJ. It would look like they were clueless.
Taking McCarthy, Pennix or Nix at 6 would have been a bad move. You can’t take a QB just to take a QB.
I get it, I agree. Again, not complaining. Just a weird and typical Giants situation. I wouldn't have given up more than next year's first and this year's second to move up to 3, and even that would have me hesitate. Just didn't work out.
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Taking McCarthy, Pennix or Nix at 6 would have been a bad move. You can’t take a QB just to take a QB.
Says who? It's not like Malik Willis who went a few rounds later. These guys all got drafted in the top half of the 1st round.
So? So did Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, Josh Rosen, Christian Ponder, Sam Darnold, etc.
You learned a valuable lesson tonight. Don't wait to obtain what you desperately need. Giants management isn't uo to competing in the new NFL.
There was talk that Jones could be comfortably selected with our #17 pick. We panicked and took him at #6 and there wasn't a peep about anyone else being interested.
This is going to go down in history as the biggest QB reach draft of all time
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have been QB. I'm not complaining, but add that to the Giants draft resume. In a draft where they had top 10, and half the picks were QB, Giants didn't take one.
good point, almost shocking. I think Giants are trying to save face for the whacked out contract handed to JJ. It would look like they were clueless.
Taking McCarthy, Pennix or Nix at 6 would have been a bad move. You can’t take a QB just to take a QB.
I personally would've taken JJM, but yes this is 100% accurate. The Giants didn't love him. They didn't force the pick
Penix & Nix shouldn't be anywhere near the first round IMO
Nix will be the best QB in this draft class
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In comment 16488554 D HOS said:
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have been QB. I'm not complaining, but add that to the Giants draft resume. In a draft where they had top 10, and half the picks were QB, Giants didn't take one.
good point, almost shocking. I think Giants are trying to save face for the whacked out contract handed to JJ. It would look like they were clueless.
Taking McCarthy, Pennix or Nix at 6 would have been a bad move. You can’t take a QB just to take a QB.
I get it, I agree. Again, not complaining. Just a weird and typical Giants situation. I wouldn't have given up more than next year's first and this year's second to move up to 3, and even that would have me hesitate. Just didn't work out.
The Patriots were not dealing. They wanted Maye. They were talking to Maye with 5 minutes left on the clock - saw Kraft talking to him from the Pats draft room.
I like Milton... Hate Rattler... I have Milton QB7 and Pratt QB8... would love to get on in the 4th.
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It's like sitting next to an asshole it the blackjack table who hits on "20"
You learned a valuable lesson tonight. Don't wait to obtain what you desperately need. Giants management isn't uo to competing in the new NFL.
They desperately needed WR1 too. Kept all their draft assets. No need to spend cap and picks on Aiyuk.
#winning
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In comment 16488554 D HOS said:
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have been QB. I'm not complaining, but add that to the Giants draft resume. In a draft where they had top 10, and half the picks were QB, Giants didn't take one.
good point, almost shocking. I think Giants are trying to save face for the whacked out contract handed to JJ. It would look like they were clueless.
Taking McCarthy, Pennix or Nix at 6 would have been a bad move. You can’t take a QB just to take a QB.
Agreed. It just didn't work out. Nix at 12. To me, that's absurd.
You don't pick based on need, but you do build a team one piece at a time with solid picks. Do that and in year or two you look up and you have a competitive team. This pick was not a reach and makes the team better.
Agreed.
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It's like sitting next to an asshole it the blackjack table who hits on "20"
You learned a valuable lesson tonight. Don't wait to obtain what you desperately need. Giants management isn't uo to competing in the new NFL.
Ha, you may need to learn a lesson or two yourself.
Let’s wait before we annoint all these QBs as franchise savers
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It's like sitting next to an asshole it the blackjack table who hits on "20"
This
lol
HAHAHA.
I’m at bdubs with a few buddies and one is a Falcons fan. He’s absolutely devastated.
Crazy - it has to be.
Jets took a DT
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is that a record of sorts?
Jets took a DT
No they took an OT
I’m wrong on the Jets 😂😂😂😂
Agreed, you figure all these teams will give these guys three years to prove themselves.
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is that a record of sorts?
Jets took a DT
The Jets took an OT.
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is that a record of sorts?
Jets took a DT
Offensive Tackle
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is that a record of sorts?
Jets took a DT
No they took an OT
I’m drunk
Stop. Just stop. Making a logical point isn’t allowed here.
The Giants should be able to do anything they want whenever they want to do it.
Indeed. Good point. Every draft position counts.
With no extra collateral either.
All we need now is a new injury to DJ to kick the guarantee in and buy some salt for the gaping wound.
After 13 picks, has to be.
You learned a valuable lesson tonight. Don't wait to obtain what you desperately need. Giants management isn't uo to competing in the new NFL. [/quote]
I get your point, but literally one team drafted up one spot. Everyone else waited.
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is that a record of sorts?
After 13 picks, has to be.
And now all the teams who were good already because they have good offenses will all get to stack up on defense.
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is that a record of sorts?
After 13 picks, has to be.
Next year will flip. Tons of defensive talent. Weak on offense.
A decade + and counting!
Still angry we gave up the earlier 2nd rounder. We could get TOP quality there. Will be harder at 47
I wanted a Maye trade to happen but if the top 3 teams don’t want to move your hands are tied. So it’s elite blue chip wr, a 32 AAV position vs 2nd tier qb prospect. That’s the decision.
Insane, there’s usually 2 or 3 stud defensive guys that go in the top 10
Or they run a 2 TE offense.. which makes a lot of sense..
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We can get good value at 47.
Still angry we gave up the earlier 2nd rounder. We could get TOP quality there. Will be harder at 47
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We can get good value at 47.
Still angry we gave up the earlier 2nd rounder. We could get TOP quality there. Will be harder at 47
Who are you getting in round 2 that is a better player than Burns is RIGHT now.. ??
Wrong player
If Giants loved McCarthy they would have taken him.
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We can get good value at 47.
Still angry we gave up the earlier 2nd rounder. We could get TOP quality there. Will be harder at 47
Who are you getting in round 2 that is a better player than Burns is RIGHT now.. ??
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If Giants loved McCarthy they would have taken him.
This^
How did they play us?
Agree. But it wasn’t the popular thing.
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first DEF taken... nice pick for Indy
Wrong player
What do you mean wrong player... Latu is a stud. Best pass rusher in the draft.
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We can get good value at 47.
Still angry we gave up the earlier 2nd rounder. We could get TOP quality there. Will be harder at 47
Who are you getting in round 2 that is a better player than Burns is RIGHT now.. ??
Nobody. Great trade. The Rams apparently offered two #1s and a #2 for Burns about a year ago IIRC.
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In comment 16488842 Amtoft said:
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first DEF taken... nice pick for Indy
Wrong player
What do you mean wrong player... Latu is a stud. Best pass rusher in the draft.
My bad, I guess I’m lagging, thought you meant Fuaga
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In comment 16488842 Amtoft said:
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first DEF taken... nice pick for Indy
Wrong player
What do you mean wrong player... Latu is a stud. Best pass rusher in the draft.
My bad, I guess I’m lagging, thought you meant Fuaga
Oh thought you mean he wasn't good hahahaha
“The Giants have questions about Daniel Jones, to be sure. But they still have so much work to do that bringing a first-round QB in to compete for the job wouldn’t have made much sense. Nabers is an awesome talent and will instantly make one of the slowest offenses faster. This is a sensible, efficient and potentially explosive draft pick.”
But I fear a RB in rd2 or rd3 and also a cb with a 7-10 record is coming.
Now - for positive - the WR is a proabable beast. Some games he is going to do some amazing shit. -- Build the Trenches to give the qb time so he'll have shots to take hitting Nabors.
Minny coming up
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Who’s next?
Minny coming up
For Dallas Turner
Their job is ot be right. If any of these QB's turn out to be real good and help lead their team to do well while Nabors can't lead them out of mediocrity - then they're morons.
I love Murphy... I wanted him in the second, but just he never fell at all
“The Giants have questions about Daniel Jones, to be sure. But they still have so much work to do that bringing a first-round QB in to compete for the job wouldn’t have made much sense. Nabers is an awesome talent and will instantly make one of the slowest offenses faster. This is a sensible, efficient and potentially explosive draft pick.”
I am sorry but the last part is bullshit. If you want a QB you get them, you don't wait for things to be better, it never works that way..
The Georgia kid?
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lots of OT going
The Georgia kid?
Washington kid also is value here
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lots of OT going
The Georgia kid?
Yep AMARIUS MIMS
not really... I would hate for Philly to get Quinyon Mitchell!
Who got arguably the best player in the Draft
Agree.
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And then there's the Giants..
Who got arguably the best player in the Draft
Yeah we got an A... I mean you added one of the top players in the draft at a position of need. It just wasn't a QB.
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And then there's the Giants..
Who got arguably the best player in the Draft
+1
Nabers is a great talent, and you'd have to think that he will make our offense more dangerous. The team needed weapons, playmakers... anything exciting. We got that.
One can easily point out Jones' shortcomings. Heck, I did 15 minutes ago. But, might as well root for the kid to play better behind an improved OL. Can't say that we haven't tried to improve the line year after year for him.
Eric is right. In a "normal" draft that didn't have such top-end QB depth and an All-World wideout in Harrison... Nabers would have been the top overall selection.
Fingers crossed he doesn't have any off-field issues, contract squabbles and the like. Rooting for him to be a good teammate that helps others in the locker room, and doesn't turn into a headache. LSU has a loonnngg history of fantastic wideouts. Hopefully we got the next one.
I wanted a Maye trade to happen but if the top 3 teams don’t want to move your hands are tied. So it’s elite blue chip wr, a 32 AAV position vs 2nd tier qb prospect. That’s the decision.
I hope you're right but I fear you will be wrong. JJM was rated 84 by SY as an example (It;s not like SY was the only 1 who had JJM rated very high.).. QB's are exponentially more improtant than a WR.
Think about it-- SY's ceiling for JJM was Joe Burrow. Nabors celing can never be Burrow.
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The giants have access to JJM/Penix/Nix level qb prospect next year than a Nabers level non-qb premium position prospect next year, so I personally think they made the right call. Maybe I’m overvaluing consensus opinion but teams weren’t trying to trade up ahead of us for Penix or JJM, so I don’t think Schoen was on an island in his assessment.
I wanted a Maye trade to happen but if the top 3 teams don’t want to move your hands are tied. So it’s elite blue chip wr, a 32 AAV position vs 2nd tier qb prospect. That’s the decision.
I hope you're right but I fear you will be wrong. JJM was rated 84 by SY as an example (It;s not like SY was the only 1 who had JJM rated very high.).. QB's are exponentially more improtant than a WR.
Think about it-- SY's ceiling for JJM was Joe Burrow. Nabors celing can never be Burrow.
Nabers ceiling is Rice - no diff
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is a beast. Tremendous power. Physical at the POA and can rush.
Damn that is good pick for them.
I took Terrion Arnold for the Rams in the BBI mock. Verse was off the board having gone two picks earlier...but if he hadn't been taken, he would've been my guy. Great pick for the Rams.
So far. Love the move up to get Turner.
Excellent value. I think he may be with ajr...??
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The giants have access to JJM/Penix/Nix level qb prospect next year than a Nabers level non-qb premium position prospect next year, so I personally think they made the right call. Maybe I’m overvaluing consensus opinion but teams weren’t trying to trade up ahead of us for Penix or JJM, so I don’t think Schoen was on an island in his assessment.
I wanted a Maye trade to happen but if the top 3 teams don’t want to move your hands are tied. So it’s elite blue chip wr, a 32 AAV position vs 2nd tier qb prospect. That’s the decision.
I hope you're right but I fear you will be wrong. JJM was rated 84 by SY as an example (It;s not like SY was the only 1 who had JJM rated very high.).. QB's are exponentially more improtant than a WR.
Think about it-- SY's ceiling for JJM was Joe Burrow. Nabors celing can never be Burrow.
Nabers ceiling is Rice - no diff
Thanks for teh comedy.
Seeign how you are makign things up- I can also live in the same fanasy world you live in and say JJM's ceiling is Mahomes/Brady.
You see how easy it is for me to make things up like you did?
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And then there's the Giants..
Who got arguably the best player in the Draft
+1
+2
It happens every year. You could see this coming all night.
Watch them draft Brian Thomas hahaha
Unbelievable.. Hate that team.
Told ya so! :)
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I hope you're right but I fear you will be wrong. JJM was rated 84 by SY as an example (It;s not like SY was the only 1 who had JJM rated very high.).. QB's are exponentially more improtant than a WR.
Think about it-- SY's ceiling for JJM was Joe Burrow. Nabors celing can never be Burrow.
I 100% respect Sy’s opinion, I’m sure a lot of skilled evaluators had him stacked similar but the Giants clearly didn’t, they would have picked him at 6 given their trade efforts for Maye. Their actions dictate a tier break after Maye. They could be wrong and they might be, but it doesn’t look like the Vikings were that convicted either because they didn’t act with a ton of urgency themselves. They waited until 1 pick in front to move on him when it was widely reported they were in on Maye and negotiating with NE as well. So you can safely assume it was a similar eval situation. It’s unlikely the Giants will have access to a similar prospect to Maye either, but I don’t think it's crazy to see them having access to a 2nd tier quy.
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Will get Arnold or Mitchell if they stay at their pick.
Unbelievable.. Hate that team.
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The giants have access to JJM/Penix/Nix level qb prospect next year than a Nabers level non-qb premium position prospect next year, so I personally think they made the right call. Maybe I’m overvaluing consensus opinion but teams weren’t trying to trade up ahead of us for Penix or JJM, so I don’t think Schoen was on an island in his assessment.
I wanted a Maye trade to happen but if the top 3 teams don’t want to move your hands are tied. So it’s elite blue chip wr, a 32 AAV position vs 2nd tier qb prospect. That’s the decision.
I hope you're right but I fear you will be wrong. JJM was rated 84 by SY as an example (It;s not like SY was the only 1 who had JJM rated very high.).. QB's are exponentially more improtant than a WR.
Think about it-- SY's ceiling for JJM was Joe Burrow. Nabors celing can never be Burrow.
JJ's comp is Rich Gannon according to Sy
Phi - No
Min - Unlikely
Dal - Doubtful
Green Bay - Maybe? But I'm thinking defense here.
Tampa Bay - Intriguing, but WR room is pretty crowded.
Ari - Just took MHJ... would they really go back to back?
And that leaves us at Buffalo.
Where are you getting the picks early?
… and I just turned the tv off
Phi - No
Min - Unlikely
Dal - Doubtful
Green Bay - Maybe? But I'm thinking defense here.
Tampa Bay - Intriguing, but WR room is pretty crowded.
Ari - Just took MHJ... would they really go back to back?
And that leaves us at Buffalo.
Ari needs a couple WRs... that would be a draft... BTj and MHj
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They got Mitchell
Where are you getting the picks early?
Our guy Pretty Rickey
https://twitter.com/prettyrickey213
Yea it’s ridiculous
They Lente such a distaste in my mouth ... it is visceral
Phi - No
Min - Unlikely
Dal - Doubtful
Green Bay - Maybe? But I'm thinking defense here.
Tampa Bay - Intriguing, but WR room is pretty crowded.
Ari - Just took MHJ... would they really go back to back?
And that leaves us at Buffalo.
You forgot MIN traded and it was JAX who goes... Brian Thomas Jr... nice pick
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They got Mitchell
Where are you getting the picks early?
Our guy Pretty Rickey
https://twitter.com/prettyrickey213
Thanks.
The overall physical package and what he can bring to the table is elite, top shelf tool set. But he played at Toledo. Toledo didn't play ANYBODY. He had a very slightly higher QB rating against to Terrion Arnold, who did what he did in the SEC.
Nabers will eat him alive.
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They got Mitchell
The overall physical package and what he can bring to the table is elite, top shelf tool set. But he played at Toledo. Toledo didn't play ANYBODY. He had a very slightly higher QB rating against to Terrion Arnold, who did what he did in the SEC.
Nabers will eat him alive.
People said the same thing about Sauce. He was barely targeted this year and was by far the best CB at Senior Bowl.
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Could fall all the way to Buffalo at 28. That's incredible and would be a coup for them. Who is going to take BTR before that pick?
Phi - No
Min - Unlikely
Dal - Doubtful
Green Bay - Maybe? But I'm thinking defense here.
Tampa Bay - Intriguing, but WR room is pretty crowded.
Ari - Just took MHJ... would they really go back to back?
And that leaves us at Buffalo.
You forgot MIN traded and it was JAX who goes... Brian Thomas Jr... nice pick
Thanks! That's a helluva pick for Jax, tremendous value, and a much needed big time target for Lawrence.
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They got Mitchell
The overall physical package and what he can bring to the table is elite, top shelf tool set. But he played at Toledo. Toledo didn't play ANYBODY. He had a very slightly higher QB rating against to Terrion Arnold, who did what he did in the SEC.
Nabers will eat him alive.
Nabers is going to eat everyone alive... He is Tyreek-ish
I don't wanna see that replay, lol. When is Roseman gonna fire him?
He's the epitome of a knob. I'll bet you $500 his skull is made of polished wood.
He looks to be in serious pain. I think that hug and lift hurt him. Might be on pain killers
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He can barely read his cue cards and sounds like he's slurring
He looks to be in serious pain. I think that hug and lift hurt him. Might be on pain killers
Yeah, I think this is why.
And yet Hurts was a second round pick, not #6 in the draft.
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They got Mitchell
The overall physical package and what he can bring to the table is elite, top shelf tool set. But he played at Toledo. Toledo didn't play ANYBODY. He had a very slightly higher QB rating against to Terrion Arnold, who did what he did in the SEC.
Nabers will eat him alive.
People said the same thing about Sauce. He was barely targeted this year and was by far the best CB at Senior Bowl.
Sauce played better comp. Sauce put good tape together against Alabama. He played Notre Dame. Toledo played one power 5 teams in 2023, that being Illinois in week 1...a terrible offensive team that struggled to throw the ball. I think they were something like 84th in NCAA in points per game last year...or very close to that.
I'm not going to say Mitchell sucks, that's not true. As I said, elite tools. But you can't compare the comp between Sauce and Mitchell, and as I said, Arnold had a slightly better QB rating against playing in the SEC...I would've been more pissed if they took him.
I hope he has a season ending injury in training camp. Fuck the Eagles.
And SF who might be looking for a WR also if they move one of their guys.
"Yes, it was a big surprise. We had no idea this was coming. The truth is the whole league had no idea this was coming. We got no heads up. Kirk got a call from the Falcons when they were on the clock. That was the first we heard. It never came up in any conversation.”
Link - ( New Window )
especially with the new KR rules
He is so raw... I like Patrick Paul better.
They are going CB, but not Cooper
Agree on both counts. McClay is unbelievable at evaluating talent. He's done such a good job that Dallas may not be able to afford paying that talent second contracts.
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Guyton is an excellent prospect at OT. Another fine job by Will McClay.
He is so raw... I like Patrick Paul better.
Another good player who'll be there in RD2. Such a DEEP top of the draft with respect to OTs.
no room with nabers. guessing this means deebo or aiyuk on the way out tomorrow.
I liked him a lot too.
"Yes, it was a big surprise. We had no idea this was coming. The truth is the whole league had no idea this was coming. We got no heads up. Kirk got a call from the Falcons when they were on the clock. That was the first we heard. It never came up in any conversation.” Link - ( New Window )
That is an amazing situation.
Nice move by Buffalo
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one of my favorite WRs in the draft the guy I have been mocking to the Giants in the second round forever goes to SF... Ughhh I hate SF. Rickey Pearsall!
I liked him a lot too.
Boom...got him for the Rams in the BBI Mock Draft at #52 overall. Pearsall is a dude.
I wouldn't... Coleman can't catch.
I wouldn't. Leggette is a beast
I'm a bit surprised he found his way into the first round. But if the 9ers like him, you have to think he was worth it.
You know, keep an eye on Graham Mertz this upcoming year. He actually had a good year in Gainesville in 2022 after leaving Madison. I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up some pretty big numbers in 2024 and gets some draft traction.
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I hope you're right but I fear you will be wrong. JJM was rated 84 by SY as an example (It;s not like SY was the only 1 who had JJM rated very high.).. QB's are exponentially more improtant than a WR.
Think about it-- SY's ceiling for JJM was Joe Burrow. Nabors celing can never be Burrow.
I 100% respect Sy’s opinion, I’m sure a lot of skilled evaluators had him stacked similar but the Giants clearly didn’t, they would have picked him at 6 given their trade efforts for Maye. Their actions dictate a tier break after Maye. They could be wrong and they might be, but it doesn’t look like the Vikings were that convicted either because they didn’t act with a ton of urgency themselves. They waited until 1 pick in front to move on him when it was widely reported they were in on Maye and negotiating with NE as well. So you can safely assume it was a similar eval situation. It’s unlikely the Giants will have access to a similar prospect to Maye either, but I don’t think it's crazy to see them having access to a 2nd tier quy.
I agree- I didn't throw the remote- and I said "I fear" the analysis is wrong by bypassing the QB. The fact is Minny got him and instead Giants could have traded down-- but as you say they didn’t have the conviction.
But if they are wrong and any of those QB's are really good - this is a major blunder. If they are right = then terrific move. I believe it will prove to be a blunder unless they do very well start this year with their draft picks.
Bottomline is some teams took a big chance and reached as teams normally do with QB’s. The Giants chose not to reach. We’ll see who was more successful. I hope it’s us – but doubt it.
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over Leggette.
I wouldn't... Coleman can't catch.
LMAO. You need to watch more film, ma dude.
Another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__CNdG1ZJ0Y
He's a red zone and contested catch mismatch. He's a dude.
Also, Legette is 23 years old...Coleman is 20.
I agree, don’t think the draft was as deep as reported at WR and now they are getting over drafted.
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over Leggette.
I wouldn't... Coleman can't catch.
LMAO. You need to watch more film, ma dude.
If I watched more games I would be divorced hahaha... I have seen a ton of FSU and I love Jarrian James for example later in the draft... In fact he will go higher than people think. Coleman I was not impressed.
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LOL. Bet that was the 49ers
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over Leggette.
I wouldn't... Coleman can't catch.
LMAO. You need to watch more film, ma dude.
If I watched more games I would be divorced hahaha... I have seen a ton of FSU and I love Jarrian James for example later in the draft... In fact he will go higher than people think. Coleman I was not impressed.
Again, Coleman is only 20 years old. A little more development he's going to be a monster.
Suggests multiple teams had him rated higher than JJM.