But I'm fine with the pick. This is going to be an exciting WR group.
I think this pick was about timing and economics. They are paying DJ this year. They will have some dead money on DJ after 2024 but it will be a lot better getting a rookie QB next year and have a lot of flexibility to build the team further around him.
I believe the Giants are going to lose a lot in 2024. But they will also have a tremendous base from which to get better quickly when they get their man at QB.
I say it every year, the draft is not about the immediate season. It's clear this is a build year. This is a plan that requires patience.
But in this division, you have Hurts, Dak, and now Jayden Daniels at QB. The Giants can legitimately go 0-6 in the division next year. And they can easily be drafting higher next year. And I won't be upset, either. Because if they have that guy slotted at their pick next year, the Giants will be viewed as a really great destination to turn things around quickly.
So if the theme is to build out this team for the future, 2nd round should be Trey Benson, a DT that drops, or CB. More likely one of the latter two positions.
The draft is fun. I'm going to be optimistic about the build, laying the foundation, and then go for broke on QB next season...hell, they could be picking first overall, while having an envious roster with just one major hole, albeit the most important one.
That’ll be so typical: the NYG earn the #1 pick in a year where the QB’s are substandard.
Sure. We know for a fact that the six bozos who were just drafted are all gonna be great and we also already know for a fact that there are no good quarterbacks available to be drafted next year. Makes sense.
If I’m wrong I’ll own up to it. There is not one QB projected to be draft eligible in 2025 that I want. Ewers, Leonard, Beck, Sanders, DJ, Dart, Ward, etc.
I'll rely on the professionals to decide whether there are QBs worth drafting next year.
and the offense had 50% more effect on a game than defense.
If they had taken that pass rushing DT that Eric spoke highly of, then four legit pass rushers and three if they rotate. Plus Simmons could sneak up and have a free run at the quarterback a couple of times a game.
That would have given me something to look forward to.
But I'm fine with the pick. This is going to be an exciting WR group.
I think this pick was about timing and economics. They are paying DJ this year. They will have some dead money on DJ after 2024 but it will be a lot better getting a rookie QB next year and have a lot of flexibility to build the team further around him.
I believe the Giants are going to lose a lot in 2024. But they will also have a tremendous base from which to get better quickly when they get their man at QB.
I say it every year, the draft is not about the immediate season. It's clear this is a build year. This is a plan that requires patience.
But in this division, you have Hurts, Dak, and now Jayden Daniels at QB. The Giants can legitimately go 0-6 in the division next year. And they can easily be drafting higher next year. And I won't be upset, either. Because if they have that guy slotted at their pick next year, the Giants will be viewed as a really great destination to turn things around quickly.
So if the theme is to build out this team for the future, 2nd round should be Trey Benson, a DT that drops, or CB. More likely one of the latter two positions.
The draft is fun. I'm going to be optimistic about the build, laying the foundation, and then go for broke on QB next season...hell, they could be picking first overall, while having an envious roster with just one major hole, albeit the most important one.
That’ll be so typical: the NYG earn the #1 pick in a year where the QB’s are substandard.
Sure. We know for a fact that the six bozos who were just drafted are all gonna be great and we also already know for a fact that there are no good quarterbacks available to be drafted next year. Makes sense.
If I’m wrong I’ll own up to it. There is not one QB projected to be draft eligible in 2025 that I want. Ewers, Leonard, Beck, Sanders, DJ, Dart, Ward, etc.
I'll rely on the professionals to decide whether there are QBs worth drafting next year.
But I'm fine with the pick. This is going to be an exciting WR group.
I think this pick was about timing and economics. They are paying DJ this year. They will have some dead money on DJ after 2024 but it will be a lot better getting a rookie QB next year and have a lot of flexibility to build the team further around him.
I believe the Giants are going to lose a lot in 2024. But they will also have a tremendous base from which to get better quickly when they get their man at QB.
I say it every year, the draft is not about the immediate season. It's clear this is a build year. This is a plan that requires patience.
But in this division, you have Hurts, Dak, and now Jayden Daniels at QB. The Giants can legitimately go 0-6 in the division next year. And they can easily be drafting higher next year. And I won't be upset, either. Because if they have that guy slotted at their pick next year, the Giants will be viewed as a really great destination to turn things around quickly.
So if the theme is to build out this team for the future, 2nd round should be Trey Benson, a DT that drops, or CB. More likely one of the latter two positions.
The draft is fun. I'm going to be optimistic about the build, laying the foundation, and then go for broke on QB next season...hell, they could be picking first overall, while having an envious roster with just one major hole, albeit the most important one.
That’ll be so typical: the NYG earn the #1 pick in a year where the QB’s are substandard.
Sure. We know for a fact that the six bozos who were just drafted are all gonna be great and we also already know for a fact that there are no good quarterbacks available to be drafted next year. Makes sense.
If I’m wrong I’ll own up to it. There is not one QB projected to be draft eligible in 2025 that I want. Ewers, Leonard, Beck, Sanders, DJ, Dart, Ward, etc.
I'll rely on the professionals to decide whether there are QBs worth drafting next year.
Many have already said it’ll be a down year.
And those same many has Daniels nowhere near the top two at this time last year.
...won't be on the roster next year. Thankfully. But anyone furious about this pick because of its relationship to Jones shouldn't be trusted to plan Monday's sales dept lunch.
This coach has had a QB take him to the playoffs with absolute trash at WR and then get hurt after 5 games. This with the worst OL in the NFL while he was the QB
Maybe said coach believes in QB with a better cast around him. If OL just plays avg Jones can get the ball to Nabers
There is a WR defenses will have to respect - DCs don’t care about Slayton or Hyatt and despite the promise of Wandale he is not threatening people all over the field - Nabers does that
This coach has had a QB take him to the playoffs with absolute trash at WR and then get hurt after 5 games. This with the worst OL in the NFL while he was the QB
Maybe said coach believes in QB with a better cast around him. If OL just plays avg Jones can get the ball to Nabers
There is a WR defenses will have to respect - DCs don’t care about Slayton or Hyatt and despite the promise of Wandale he is not threatening people all over the field - Nabers does that
The good teams will rarely respect them because the QB you are so desperatley trying to put on a pedestal is no longer the QB he was.
Clearly the Giants didn’t like McCarthy. Some people had Nabers #1 overall.
McCarthy was the 5th QB taken and not many thought Penix was even a thought.
Don’t reach for players, this was a great pick.
The Pats probably wanted way more than the Giants were willing to pay.
Think of the speed & quickness we have at WR now, it’s crazy.
How do they get the ball? I’ve asked this at least 3 times on this thread and have not received a response.
Improved OL, Better WRs by getting a #1 and moving everyone down one slot where they belong. People talk like DJ can’t throw, he can if he has time and not laying on his back within 2 seconds. He is not a top 5 QB and if he’s as bad as you think the Giants will have the opportunity to take a QB next year and get rid of his contract.
Obviously the Giants feel that DJ and Nabers was better than picking the 4th QB. The team is better than it was and hour ago. When you get a chance to take an elite talent you take him. If you can’t be happy about getting a top talent I’m sorry for you. It’s not like they drafted Thomas Lewis.
Trading up to 3 was not an option.
TThe problem is Rudy is that your post mirrors Mara year-over-year-over-year. All the while you remain oblivious that QB is very important. If you really feel the QB is so important than how can you give Jones any type of conviction a fan?
I understand if they don't have conviction - they can't take him. But your homerism for Jones is just like Mara-- your post is embarrassment.
I will say - which you may agree- they aren't doomed for the future yet- if they could finally hit on some draft picks coming up and hit on the FA OL with guys like Neal and JMS coming through.
But your point about Jones is s off-base. So -- 1.) Ignore that he has not really shown to be a good passing QB.2.) Ignore how what we heard is probably true with his throwing motion. 3.) Ignore That his legs which was a huge part of his game is probably seriously diminished. 4.) Ignore that he has been injury prone.
With all of this combined - how can you believe in Jones if you are to be fair?
This coach has had a QB take him to the playoffs with absolute trash at WR and then get hurt after 5 games. This with the worst OL in the NFL while he was the QB
Maybe said coach believes in QB with a better cast around him. If OL just plays avg Jones can get the ball to Nabers
There is a WR defenses will have to respect - DCs don’t care about Slayton or Hyatt and despite the promise of Wandale he is not threatening people all over the field - Nabers does that
Would you afgree then - that if said coach believes as you say - and it winds up either Jones gets hurt yet again or is trash regardless- then that said coach is a probable moron because even many non-expert fans could see what he was too blind to see?
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Probably looking forward to coaching him next year.
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Probably looking forward to coaching him next year.
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I'm ready for a new approach.
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"There's so much to like about Nabers and he's very very tough to cover" ~ Bill Belichick https://x.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1783661708302561443 - ( New Window )
Probably looking forward to coaching him next year.
wtching bb's reactions to each pick prior i had the same thought. he was very mixed on everyone picked until alt and nabers.
The 'guy who developed Josh Allen' didn't believe the QB was worth taking.
If you believe he's a good QB coach you should trust he knows whether a QB can be good.
Isn't it obvious though? These guys made Josh Allen into what he is and he had SOME BIG question marks. They tried for Maye and passed on JJM.
I don't how people get upset at first missing on a QB who might not be anything (JJM) and then not passing on a WR1 who was a top 3 talent in the whole draft and very possibly top 5 to 10 WR in NFL.
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He was arguably the very best player in the draft. The Chargers inexplicably passed on him - their mistake was the Giants opportunity, and it was good to see the Giants make the sensible choice.
No one is saying that the Giants don't need a quarterback. They can't cut DJ fast enough in my view. And clearly Schoen tried to trade up for Maye, the only quarterback left they apparently had a first round grade on. Obviously the Patriots were asking for way too much to move up three spots. It wasn't about ignoring the quarterback position - it was about not having a quarterback to choose from that was graded commensurate with the sixth overall pick.
I will say this, though. I think Terps will be proven right yet again on the quarterback position. To me, there is a very good chance that maybe all three of the top quarterbacks end up either busting or simply becoming JAGs in the league. Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota keep jumping into my mind the more I think about Williams and Daniels. And while I love Maye as a prospect, believing he is another Justin Herbert, he could also become another Zach Wilson if he doesn't take a big leap forward. A guy with an incredible ceiling, but unable to budge from his floor. And I think both Nix and JJM were severely overdrafted. Both feel like journeymen NFL quarterback whose ceilings will be game managers.
But the surprise of the night was clearly the Falcons taking Penix. And it signaled to me that if he didn't have the injury history, Penix would have been the first overall pick in this draft. And while it seemed like a head scratcher for a team that had just signed Cousins, I think there is a high probability that Penix will ultimately become the best player from this draft. Sitting behind Cousins for a year or two will be precisely the recipe for his development, ala Mahomes and Smith. And while I can't kill the Giants for passing on him given the medical issues, posterity may very well prove that Penix will be the Lamar Jackson of this draft and taking him would have been the smart move last night by the Giants.
Meaning that Terps, really the only poster on this site pounding the table hard for Penix for months now, may very well have had this right yet again.
I think we forget that a QB isn't just a free shot at an organization changing player. It's a 3 year process to develop them. If they didn't have high grades on Mix, Penix, or JJM then taking one of them would sink the team for the next 3 years. They could be wrong. And if one of them hits they may lose their jobs because of it. Taking Nabers was actually more gutsy than they are being given credit for.
My main issue is that of they don't like Jones (I don't think they do) and they really liked Maye so much... This should have been apparent mid season. They should have traded Barkley and McKinney. They would have ended up with more assets and more losses while still avoiding outright tanking.
RE: You're a defensive coordinator facing the Giants.
I love this pick for the Giants. It says they didn’t believe in the quarterbacks who were left and now they get a playmaker on the outside. This kid will be a star. (Pete Prisco)
A+
I hope it works. If a WR I would rather have Odunze.
In my mind, the 2nd best player in the draft. Not a fan of any of the quarterbacks in the first round. Can't wait to see Daniel Jones throw to him. Should be a huge help.
Bill Belichick raved about the pick. That says something
Yeah, the Bears have been the paragon of greatness
The Bears had the #1 pick last night, but not because they were the worst team. They had been improving second half of last season and with Williams and Odunze, they are very well set up to compete for the play-offs. So, your take is a lazy one.
Yeah, the Bears have been the paragon of greatness
The Bears had the #1 pick last night, but not because they were the worst team. They had been improving second half of last season and with Williams and Odunze, they are very well set up to compete for the play-offs. So, your take is a lazy one.
The Bears were 6-11 last yr
3-9 after wk 5
2-4 in their last 6
The last season they won a single playoff game was 2010. Their ONE & only SB victory was almost 40 yrs ago.
Greatness!
My FIL & one of my BIL's was/are Bears fans. Actually, my FIL doesn't even root for them anymore (bc they've sucked for so long). They would highly disagree that the Bears "know what they're doing". They would probably have a good laugh.
Maybe the new regime knows better than the past several, but that and whether Caleb is the answer at QB are TBD.
The Bears were 7-10 last yr and went 5-5 their last 10. 5-3 their last 8.
What I said about their ownership stands. The same family (McCaskey) that traded away & refused to resign some of the players that helped them win their one and only SB, still own it.
They traded away their best receiver bc they didn't want to pay him and it wasn't bc of the salary cap. That didn't exist yet.
So, even if they do have some success in the near future, it might not be sustainable, and they might not do enough to win the big one.
You can say whatever you want about Mara, but no one has ever said he's too cheap to do whatever it takes.
RE: Jones can throw him the ball, for god sakes if we can
You're so right. So many on this board never accepted the fact that the GM and coach see talent in DJ, and continuously said they want to put a team around him. They both said it, numerous times, but some didn't believe it. There were those who said "diversion" for the draft, although they've been saying it for quite a while. I said several times, guys the writing is on the wall, no trade up, no QB at 6. Because I was listening. Many were giddy with these rumors of trade ups and QB picks. He has 2024 to prove himself. Already some are telling Nabors (by way of some posts) that your QB can't get you the ball. Great, have a talented WR come in with a negative attitude. DJ is here at least for 2024, let's give him and the team some support.
This coach has had a QB take him to the playoffs with absolute trash at WR and then get hurt after 5 games. This with the worst OL in the NFL while he was the QB
Maybe said coach believes in QB with a better cast around him. If OL just plays avg Jones can get the ball to Nabers
There is a WR defenses will have to respect - DCs don’t care about Slayton or Hyatt and despite the promise of Wandale he is not threatening people all over the field - Nabers does that
The 'guy who developed Josh Allen' didn't believe the QB was worth taking.
If you believe he's a good QB coach you should trust he knows whether a QB can be good.
Isn't it obvious though? These guys made Josh Allen into what he is and he had SOME BIG question marks. They tried for Maye and passed on JJM.
I don't how people get upset at first missing on a QB who might not be anything (JJM) and then not passing on a WR1 who was a top 3 talent in the whole draft and very possibly top 5 to 10 WR in NFL.
Because you are cherry-picking to fit your own narrative. The same coach was part of the group that re-signed Jones. SO, it is far to question them, right?
To suggest “we really never gave the kid a chance” is classic excuse making. When the OP speaks of rational and logical, the fact is he has been injury prone. His legs, the best part of his game are in question. So, it’s more than ” we really never gave the kid a chance.” How can any Giants fans, which I’m sure the OP is, not consider this and only focus on the OL and WR’s?
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But I'm fine with the pick. This is going to be an exciting WR group.
I think this pick was about timing and economics. They are paying DJ this year. They will have some dead money on DJ after 2024 but it will be a lot better getting a rookie QB next year and have a lot of flexibility to build the team further around him.
I believe the Giants are going to lose a lot in 2024. But they will also have a tremendous base from which to get better quickly when they get their man at QB.
I say it every year, the draft is not about the immediate season. It's clear this is a build year. This is a plan that requires patience.
But in this division, you have Hurts, Dak, and now Jayden Daniels at QB. The Giants can legitimately go 0-6 in the division next year. And they can easily be drafting higher next year. And I won't be upset, either. Because if they have that guy slotted at their pick next year, the Giants will be viewed as a really great destination to turn things around quickly.
So if the theme is to build out this team for the future, 2nd round should be Trey Benson, a DT that drops, or CB. More likely one of the latter two positions.
The draft is fun. I'm going to be optimistic about the build, laying the foundation, and then go for broke on QB next season...hell, they could be picking first overall, while having an envious roster with just one major hole, albeit the most important one.
That’ll be so typical: the NYG earn the #1 pick in a year where the QB’s are substandard.
Sure. We know for a fact that the six bozos who were just drafted are all gonna be great and we also already know for a fact that there are no good quarterbacks available to be drafted next year. Makes sense.
If I’m wrong I’ll own up to it. There is not one QB projected to be draft eligible in 2025 that I want. Ewers, Leonard, Beck, Sanders, DJ, Dart, Ward, etc.
I'll rely on the professionals to decide whether there are QBs worth drafting next year.
If they had taken that pass rushing DT that Eric spoke highly of, then four legit pass rushers and three if they rotate. Plus Simmons could sneak up and have a free run at the quarterback a couple of times a game.
That would have given me something to look forward to.
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But I'm fine with the pick. This is going to be an exciting WR group.
I think this pick was about timing and economics. They are paying DJ this year. They will have some dead money on DJ after 2024 but it will be a lot better getting a rookie QB next year and have a lot of flexibility to build the team further around him.
I believe the Giants are going to lose a lot in 2024. But they will also have a tremendous base from which to get better quickly when they get their man at QB.
I say it every year, the draft is not about the immediate season. It's clear this is a build year. This is a plan that requires patience.
But in this division, you have Hurts, Dak, and now Jayden Daniels at QB. The Giants can legitimately go 0-6 in the division next year. And they can easily be drafting higher next year. And I won't be upset, either. Because if they have that guy slotted at their pick next year, the Giants will be viewed as a really great destination to turn things around quickly.
So if the theme is to build out this team for the future, 2nd round should be Trey Benson, a DT that drops, or CB. More likely one of the latter two positions.
The draft is fun. I'm going to be optimistic about the build, laying the foundation, and then go for broke on QB next season...hell, they could be picking first overall, while having an envious roster with just one major hole, albeit the most important one.
That’ll be so typical: the NYG earn the #1 pick in a year where the QB’s are substandard.
Sure. We know for a fact that the six bozos who were just drafted are all gonna be great and we also already know for a fact that there are no good quarterbacks available to be drafted next year. Makes sense.
If I’m wrong I’ll own up to it. There is not one QB projected to be draft eligible in 2025 that I want. Ewers, Leonard, Beck, Sanders, DJ, Dart, Ward, etc.
I'll rely on the professionals to decide whether there are QBs worth drafting next year.
Many have already said it’ll be a down year.
They must not have had the conviction on JJ.
Gotta trust the process.
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But I'm fine with the pick. This is going to be an exciting WR group.
I think this pick was about timing and economics. They are paying DJ this year. They will have some dead money on DJ after 2024 but it will be a lot better getting a rookie QB next year and have a lot of flexibility to build the team further around him.
I believe the Giants are going to lose a lot in 2024. But they will also have a tremendous base from which to get better quickly when they get their man at QB.
I say it every year, the draft is not about the immediate season. It's clear this is a build year. This is a plan that requires patience.
But in this division, you have Hurts, Dak, and now Jayden Daniels at QB. The Giants can legitimately go 0-6 in the division next year. And they can easily be drafting higher next year. And I won't be upset, either. Because if they have that guy slotted at their pick next year, the Giants will be viewed as a really great destination to turn things around quickly.
So if the theme is to build out this team for the future, 2nd round should be Trey Benson, a DT that drops, or CB. More likely one of the latter two positions.
The draft is fun. I'm going to be optimistic about the build, laying the foundation, and then go for broke on QB next season...hell, they could be picking first overall, while having an envious roster with just one major hole, albeit the most important one.
That’ll be so typical: the NYG earn the #1 pick in a year where the QB’s are substandard.
Sure. We know for a fact that the six bozos who were just drafted are all gonna be great and we also already know for a fact that there are no good quarterbacks available to be drafted next year. Makes sense.
If I’m wrong I’ll own up to it. There is not one QB projected to be draft eligible in 2025 that I want. Ewers, Leonard, Beck, Sanders, DJ, Dart, Ward, etc.
I'll rely on the professionals to decide whether there are QBs worth drafting next year.
Many have already said it’ll be a down year.
And those same many has Daniels nowhere near the top two at this time last year.
Irrelevant.
Look beyond the length of your nose.
Malik Nabors lost the trophy by one vote in 2923 (to Marvin Harrison). Two young studs that will torment the NFL for a long time.
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0 for 2.
Maybe said coach believes in QB with a better cast around him. If OL just plays avg Jones can get the ball to Nabers
There is a WR defenses will have to respect - DCs don’t care about Slayton or Hyatt and despite the promise of Wandale he is not threatening people all over the field - Nabers does that
Maybe said coach believes in QB with a better cast around him. If OL just plays avg Jones can get the ball to Nabers
There is a WR defenses will have to respect - DCs don’t care about Slayton or Hyatt and despite the promise of Wandale he is not threatening people all over the field - Nabers does that
The good teams will rarely respect them because the QB you are so desperatley trying to put on a pedestal is no longer the QB he was.
Without getting the QB-- it's a wasted year.
Thanks for the laugh.
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Clearly the Giants didn’t like McCarthy. Some people had Nabers #1 overall.
McCarthy was the 5th QB taken and not many thought Penix was even a thought.
Don’t reach for players, this was a great pick.
The Pats probably wanted way more than the Giants were willing to pay.
Think of the speed & quickness we have at WR now, it’s crazy.
How do they get the ball? I’ve asked this at least 3 times on this thread and have not received a response.
Improved OL, Better WRs by getting a #1 and moving everyone down one slot where they belong. People talk like DJ can’t throw, he can if he has time and not laying on his back within 2 seconds. He is not a top 5 QB and if he’s as bad as you think the Giants will have the opportunity to take a QB next year and get rid of his contract.
Obviously the Giants feel that DJ and Nabers was better than picking the 4th QB. The team is better than it was and hour ago. When you get a chance to take an elite talent you take him. If you can’t be happy about getting a top talent I’m sorry for you. It’s not like they drafted Thomas Lewis.
Trading up to 3 was not an option.
TThe problem is Rudy is that your post mirrors Mara year-over-year-over-year. All the while you remain oblivious that QB is very important. If you really feel the QB is so important than how can you give Jones any type of conviction a fan?
I understand if they don't have conviction - they can't take him. But your homerism for Jones is just like Mara-- your post is embarrassment.
I will say - which you may agree- they aren't doomed for the future yet- if they could finally hit on some draft picks coming up and hit on the FA OL with guys like Neal and JMS coming through.
But your point about Jones is s off-base. So -- 1.) Ignore that he has not really shown to be a good passing QB.2.) Ignore how what we heard is probably true with his throwing motion. 3.) Ignore That his legs which was a huge part of his game is probably seriously diminished. 4.) Ignore that he has been injury prone.
With all of this combined - how can you believe in Jones if you are to be fair?
Maybe said coach believes in QB with a better cast around him. If OL just plays avg Jones can get the ball to Nabers
There is a WR defenses will have to respect - DCs don’t care about Slayton or Hyatt and despite the promise of Wandale he is not threatening people all over the field - Nabers does that
Would you afgree then - that if said coach believes as you say - and it winds up either Jones gets hurt yet again or is trash regardless- then that said coach is a probable moron because even many non-expert fans could see what he was too blind to see?
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Probably looking forward to coaching him next year.
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I'm ready for a new approach.
Simple, don't cover the hot read and Jones will dump off to him every time.
I imagine it will be fairly easy by NFL standards.
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Probably looking forward to coaching him next year.
wtching bb's reactions to each pick prior i had the same thought. he was very mixed on everyone picked until alt and nabers.
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They made their own bed.
The 'guy who developed Josh Allen' didn't believe the QB was worth taking.
If you believe he's a good QB coach you should trust he knows whether a QB can be good.
Isn't it obvious though? These guys made Josh Allen into what he is and he had SOME BIG question marks. They tried for Maye and passed on JJM.
I don't how people get upset at first missing on a QB who might not be anything (JJM) and then not passing on a WR1 who was a top 3 talent in the whole draft and very possibly top 5 to 10 WR in NFL.
Only thing you can really do is go hard after Jones. But this opens up Jones running game even more.
We get a star running back, our offense is transformed.
No one is saying that the Giants don't need a quarterback. They can't cut DJ fast enough in my view. And clearly Schoen tried to trade up for Maye, the only quarterback left they apparently had a first round grade on. Obviously the Patriots were asking for way too much to move up three spots. It wasn't about ignoring the quarterback position - it was about not having a quarterback to choose from that was graded commensurate with the sixth overall pick.
I will say this, though. I think Terps will be proven right yet again on the quarterback position. To me, there is a very good chance that maybe all three of the top quarterbacks end up either busting or simply becoming JAGs in the league. Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota keep jumping into my mind the more I think about Williams and Daniels. And while I love Maye as a prospect, believing he is another Justin Herbert, he could also become another Zach Wilson if he doesn't take a big leap forward. A guy with an incredible ceiling, but unable to budge from his floor. And I think both Nix and JJM were severely overdrafted. Both feel like journeymen NFL quarterback whose ceilings will be game managers.
But the surprise of the night was clearly the Falcons taking Penix. And it signaled to me that if he didn't have the injury history, Penix would have been the first overall pick in this draft. And while it seemed like a head scratcher for a team that had just signed Cousins, I think there is a high probability that Penix will ultimately become the best player from this draft. Sitting behind Cousins for a year or two will be precisely the recipe for his development, ala Mahomes and Smith. And while I can't kill the Giants for passing on him given the medical issues, posterity may very well prove that Penix will be the Lamar Jackson of this draft and taking him would have been the smart move last night by the Giants.
Meaning that Terps, really the only poster on this site pounding the table hard for Penix for months now, may very well have had this right yet again.
All indications seemed to point to the Giants very serious about drafting a QB so a little bit of a letdown for now.
My main issue is that of they don't like Jones (I don't think they do) and they really liked Maye so much... This should have been apparent mid season. They should have traded Barkley and McKinney. They would have ended up with more assets and more losses while still avoiding outright tanking.
They don't need to worry about them, when you have 1-Read Daniel Jones getting pick 6'd.
Height: 6-0, Weight: 200
I love this pick for the Giants. It says they didn’t believe in the quarterbacks who were left and now they get a playmaker on the outside. This kid will be a star. (Pete Prisco)
A+
They’re going to be in hot water come November.
They’re going to be in hot water come November.
I disagree and I'm going to make a post on it soon, the hot water part at least.
I think you brought up Hendon Hooker right? I gotta admit my mind is going there today. Can he bad had for a couple mid round picks?
at this point they should just go ahead and give him a lifetime contract. What happened to the Giants, they used to be a real football team.
Yeah, the Bears have been the paragon of greatness
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They know what they're doing unlike the Giants.
Yeah, the Bears have been the paragon of greatness
The Bears had the #1 pick last night, but not because they were the worst team. They had been improving second half of last season and with Williams and Odunze, they are very well set up to compete for the play-offs. So, your take is a lazy one.
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We have a beefed-up OL, a great new WR prospect, a stable of other young, talented WRs, offensive minded HC, etc.
Time for Jones to deliver in his 6th attempt to be a franchise QB.
Expectations?
30+ TDs, 8+ YPA, 66% comp%, and 3,600+ passing yards.
At least...
This is fair...DJ needs to perform.
what happened to the real bw in dc?
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They know what they're doing unlike the Giants.
Yeah, the Bears have been the paragon of greatness
The Bears had the #1 pick last night, but not because they were the worst team. They had been improving second half of last season and with Williams and Odunze, they are very well set up to compete for the play-offs. So, your take is a lazy one.
The Bears were 6-11 last yr
3-9 after wk 5
2-4 in their last 6
The last season they won a single playoff game was 2010. Their ONE & only SB victory was almost 40 yrs ago.
Greatness!
My FIL & one of my BIL's was/are Bears fans. Actually, my FIL doesn't even root for them anymore (bc they've sucked for so long). They would highly disagree that the Bears "know what they're doing". They would probably have a good laugh.
Maybe the new regime knows better than the past several, but that and whether Caleb is the answer at QB are TBD.
Dallas, 49ers (5)
Giants, Packers, Chiefs (4)
Results matter.
This is relevant in 2024 how?
The Bears were 7-10 last yr and went 5-5 their last 10. 5-3 their last 8.
What I said about their ownership stands. The same family (McCaskey) that traded away & refused to resign some of the players that helped them win their one and only SB, still own it.
They traded away their best receiver bc they didn't want to pay him and it wasn't bc of the salary cap. That didn't exist yet.
So, even if they do have some success in the near future, it might not be sustainable, and they might not do enough to win the big one.
You can say whatever you want about Mara, but no one has ever said he's too cheap to do whatever it takes.
You're so right. So many on this board never accepted the fact that the GM and coach see talent in DJ, and continuously said they want to put a team around him. They both said it, numerous times, but some didn't believe it. There were those who said "diversion" for the draft, although they've been saying it for quite a while. I said several times, guys the writing is on the wall, no trade up, no QB at 6. Because I was listening. Many were giddy with these rumors of trade ups and QB picks. He has 2024 to prove himself. Already some are telling Nabors (by way of some posts) that your QB can't get you the ball. Great, have a talented WR come in with a negative attitude. DJ is here at least for 2024, let's give him and the team some support.
Maybe said coach believes in QB with a better cast around him. If OL just plays avg Jones can get the ball to Nabers
There is a WR defenses will have to respect - DCs don’t care about Slayton or Hyatt and despite the promise of Wandale he is not threatening people all over the field - Nabers does that
Perfect LOGIC.
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Guru who developed Josh Allen wanted the WR.
They made their own bed.
The 'guy who developed Josh Allen' didn't believe the QB was worth taking.
If you believe he's a good QB coach you should trust he knows whether a QB can be good.
Isn't it obvious though? These guys made Josh Allen into what he is and he had SOME BIG question marks. They tried for Maye and passed on JJM.
I don't how people get upset at first missing on a QB who might not be anything (JJM) and then not passing on a WR1 who was a top 3 talent in the whole draft and very possibly top 5 to 10 WR in NFL.
Because you are cherry-picking to fit your own narrative. The same coach was part of the group that re-signed Jones. SO, it is far to question them, right?