Jones is a > prospect than McCarthy, Penix and Nix.
Because he had a crack at all three and passed.
Frankly, I really don't want to hear anymore that Schoen is taking marching orders from Mara. I keep hearing from a group of posters how SMART Schoen is.
Well, if you believe that, you'd better believe Jones is his ticket. And he has tripled down.
Most teams in QB he'll are trying to improve, but just don't hit on the right guys. We are actively committing to this loser while making massive donations to his generational wealth fund.
Don't take a quarterback. They suck. Fire them now.
Trade up for a quarterback. The giants panicked. We got fleeced and we got the worse one of the whole draft. They suck. Fire them now.
Stay put and draft a quarterback. We drafted him too high. He isn't even a first rounder, we could have got him in the 4th round. They suck. Fire them now.
Bypassed 2 QBs who went 2 and 4 picks after us and as I’m typing this I think Denver is taking Nix at 12, all for a wide receiver which may be the deepest position in this draft.
The Giants have very little hope to sell fans for next season.
They had to know that by not picking again until 47, they were going to get one chance at a significant QB selection and they passed it up.
we'll see how it ends up but it was certainly an unexpected endorsement of jones.
they tried to trade up for drake maye though, so it would seem they had qbs who they saw as upgrades and others they didnt.
I do not believe that they tried to trade up for Maye. Nabers was their guy. Imo the talk about the Giants trading up was from other teams trying to increase offers.
rapaport is usually pretty accurate and he reported it after the pats made their pick that both NYG and MIN made a last attempt to get up and they said no.
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Jones is a > prospect than McCarthy, Penix and Nix.
Because he had a crack at all three and passed.
Frankly, I really don't want to hear anymore that Schoen is taking marching orders from Mara. I keep hearing from a group of posters how SMART Schoen is.
Well, if you believe that, you'd better believe Jones is his ticket. And he has tripled down.
All 3 are better than Jones. But, one way to look at it is Nabers is likely a lot better than any of those 3. Basically, with Nix now gone also, this is 100^ on the shoulders of Jones. WR1 to go with Robinson and Hyatt and an improved OL. No excuses. Put up numbers for the first time in your career.
I very much doubted the Giants would take a QB. I get the diligence, and I certainly believe they rated Williams, Daniels, and Maye all as upgraded to Jones. But I don't think they were ever going to make a huge push.
They simply like Jones a lot. And if you like your QB, you don't go out of your way to replace him.
Best case is Drew Lock is resurrected and we don't
I very much doubted the Giants would take a QB. I get the diligence, and I certainly believe they rated Williams, Daniels, and Maye all as upgraded to Jones. But I don't think they were ever going to make a huge push.
They simply like Jones a lot. And if you like your QB, you don't go out of your way to replace him.
i'm surprised they werent more concerned with the injuries. anybody can get hurt but if you have 2 anybodies you have twice as good of a chance to have 1 healthy one.
Jones is a > prospect than McCarthy, Penix and Nix.
Because he had a crack at all three and passed.
Frankly, I really don't want to hear anymore that Schoen is taking marching orders from Mara. I keep hearing from a group of posters how SMART Schoen is.
Well, if you believe that, you'd better believe Jones is his ticket. And he has tripled down.
If the Pats accepted our trade offer
Then this narrative wouldn’t exist
Do you think they would have tried to trade up if they were doubling down on DJ?
Most teams in QB he'll are trying to improve, but just don't hit on the right guys. We are actively committing to this loser while making massive donations to his generational wealth fund.
I wonder... could it really be as simple as ownership simply refusing to acknowledge they were wrong about him? It honestly seems that base.
They simply like Jones a lot. And if you like your QB, you don't go out of your way to replace him.
i'm surprised they werent more concerned with the injuries. anybody can get hurt but if you have 2 anybodies you have twice as good of a chance to have 1 healthy one.
If Jones is telling the truth, and the neck issue was just a stinger. And he's already sprinting on the ACL -- seems like the injuries aren't of the opinion-changing variety.
I very much doubted the Giants would take a QB. I get the diligence, and I certainly believe they rated Williams, Daniels, and Maye all as upgraded to Jones. But I don't think they were ever going to make a huge push.
They simply like Jones a lot. And if you like your QB, you don't go out of your way to replace him.
Great point and something myself and many other fans simply overlooked because we want to move on from Jones.
Unless they were in the top 3 and there hands would truly forced, they weren’t going QB.
And definitely think there’s buyers remorse on that contract. They probably like him as a bridge option though. A lot of this first round decision had to do with opportunity cost imo, there were better non-qb options in this draft than basically all of our other top 10 picks in recent years. This was a better draft, probably the one we should have had the 5th and 7th picks in. I think that factored more than people realize.
Jones is a > prospect than McCarthy, Penix and Nix.
Because he had a crack at all three and passed.
Frankly, I really don't want to hear anymore that Schoen is taking marching orders from Mara. I keep hearing from a group of posters how SMART Schoen is.
Well, if you believe that, you'd better believe Jones is his ticket. And he has tripled down.
If the Pats accepted our trade offer
Then this narrative wouldn’t exist
Do you think they would have tried to trade up if they were doubling down on DJ?
Do I think Schoen checked in to see what it might take? Sure. Do I think Schoen went balls to the wall to get a QB at #3? Frankly, I'm not so sure.
I very much doubted the Giants would take a QB. I get the diligence, and I certainly believe they rated Williams, Daniels, and Maye all as upgraded to Jones. But I don't think they were ever going to make a huge push.
They simply like Jones a lot. And if you like your QB, you don't go out of your way to replace him.
If they liked Jones so much then why they try and trade up for Maye?
Most teams in QB he'll are trying to improve, but just don't hit on the right guys. We are actively committing to this loser while making massive donations to his generational wealth fund.
I wonder... could it really be as simple as ownership simply refusing to acknowledge they were wrong about him? It honestly seems that base.
Yeah I do think it's that. But I'm also not going to defend Schoen. He wasn't able to do anything about it so he's worthless. I guess the only escape for us at this point is that Jones gets old enough and chooses to retire or gets injured enough that he can't continue
RE: Best case is Drew Lock is resurrected and we don't
Jones is a > prospect than McCarthy, Penix and Nix.
Because he had a crack at all three and passed.
Frankly, I really don't want to hear anymore that Schoen is taking marching orders from Mara. I keep hearing from a group of posters how SMART Schoen is.
Well, if you believe that, you'd better believe Jones is his ticket. And he has tripled down.
If the Pats accepted our trade offer
Then this narrative wouldn’t exist
Do you think they would have tried to trade up if they were doubling down on DJ?
Do I think Schoen checked in to see what it might take? Sure. Do I think Schoen went balls to the wall to get a QB at #3? Frankly, I'm not so sure.
So you don’t know what the offer was?
But you’d rather complain that we are all in on DJ with in fact they did make an offer
They obviously didn't like the group after the top 3. Gotta trust the work
Have you 'trusted the work' these last 12 years?
Exactly. “Trust the work” of a franchise that can’t draft worth a shit.
New front office and they spent a ton of time with the QBs
I am sorry they didn't ask you for your opinion on the draft. Obviously we should have let this crew make the selection
He isn't good. Nabers or not. Improvements along the OL or not. And people can't say that we haven't tried to bring in weapons or improvements in front of him.
He isn't a gamechanger. He's barely average. The team overpaid, and now we are stuck with his fragile neck for yet another season.
Yay.
....."And people can't say that we haven't tried to bring in weapons or improvements in front of him."
Yes, we tried ... and failed. Look, I'm not a huge Jones fan ... definite flaws. But saying we TRIED to get him weapons and protection is not a reflection on him, we FAILED. Given all the circumstances, I think we made the best choice tonight, not because we owe it to him, but because it's best for the team. Feel free to disagree.
I very much doubted the Giants would take a QB. I get the diligence, and I certainly believe they rated Williams, Daniels, and Maye all as upgraded to Jones. But I don't think they were ever going to make a huge push.
They simply like Jones a lot. And if you like your QB, you don't go out of your way to replace him.
If they liked Jones so much then why they try and trade up for Maye?
I wanted a QB too….but that doesn’t make sense
Because it's possible to like two things at the same time.
When the Giants picked Nabers, there were 3 top 15 QBs available. And they liked Daniel Jones more.
I very much doubted the Giants would take a QB. I get the diligence, and I certainly believe they rated Williams, Daniels, and Maye all as upgraded to Jones. But I don't think they were ever going to make a huge push.
They simply like Jones a lot. And if you like your QB, you don't go out of your way to replace him.
If they liked Jones so much then why they try and trade up for Maye?
I wanted a QB too….but that doesn’t make sense
Because it's possible to like two things at the same time.
When the Giants picked Nabers, there were 3 top 15 QBs available. And they liked Daniel Jones more.
Again beauty is in the eye of the beholder and if they didn’t have a conviction on the remaining QB’s then why take one
Has literally nothing to do with DJ
Again they had their guy…but NE wasn’t willing to trade
And definitely think there’s buyers remorse on that contract. They probably like him as a bridge option though. A lot of this first round decision had to do with opportunity cost imo, there were better non-qb options in this draft than basically all of our other top 10 picks in recent years. This was a better draft, probably the one we should have had the 5th and 7th picks in. I think that factored more than people realize.
I think they are looking at 2024 as sunk cost so they don't want to flush $40 milion.
But you’d rather complain that we are all in on DJ with in fact they did make an offer
I'm calling it like I see it.
Did we make a legit offer? Did we even make an offer? I don't know.
Again, I don't doubt Schoen called Wolf to get a feel for the situation. But maybe it was a call to check a box.
Who are you saying we should have made an offer for? Unless Washington had shocked everyone and not taken Daniels, I wouldn't have traded up for Maye or McCarthy. And, it ended up McCarthy was there for the taking anyway.
Now, with no QB to take in round 2, the question is are they better with Jones/Nabers or McCarthy and a round 2 WR in a WR heavy draft.
Jones is a > prospect than McCarthy, Penix and Nix.
Because he had a crack at all three and passed.
Frankly, I really don't want to hear anymore that Schoen is taking marching orders from Mara. I keep hearing from a group of posters how SMART Schoen is.
Well, if you believe that, you'd better believe Jones is his ticket. And he has tripled down.
If the Pats accepted our trade offer
Then this narrative wouldn’t exist
Do you think they would have tried to trade up if they were doubling down on DJ?
Do I think Schoen checked in to see what it might take? Sure. Do I think Schoen went balls to the wall to get a QB at #3? Frankly, I'm not so sure.
Can’t wait to hear the all new batch of excuses next year for your boy.
Cry
Mature. Go win games or shut the fuck up.
Keep crying. The Giants didn't see it your way and drafted the player they thought better to help the team. Just because you wanted a QB doesn't mean it was the right pick to force one. Get over yourself
Can’t wait to hear the all new batch of excuses next year for your boy.
Cry
Mature. Go win games or shut the fuck up.
Keep crying. The Giants didn't see it your way and drafted the player they thought better to help the team. Just because you wanted a QB doesn't mean it was the right pick to force one. Get over yourself
Have you considered the possibility that the Giants don’t know what they are doing?
Can’t wait to hear the all new batch of excuses next year for your boy.
Cry
Mature. Go win games or shut the fuck up.
Keep crying. The Giants didn't see it your way and drafted the player they thought better to help the team. Just because you wanted a QB doesn't mean it was the right pick to force one. Get over yourself
Have you considered the possibility that the Giants don’t know what they are doing?
Have you considered they have more knowledge than you and understand why things went to shit last year?
This message board is more toxic than a teenagers fortnight discord chat.
They picked up a shiny new toy with shit for a QB room. Spare me.
Because he had a crack at all three and passed.
Frankly, I really don't want to hear anymore that Schoen is taking marching orders from Mara. I keep hearing from a group of posters how SMART Schoen is.
Well, if you believe that, you'd better believe Jones is his ticket. And he has tripled down.
So sad
Trade up for a quarterback. The giants panicked. We got fleeced and we got the worse one of the whole draft. They suck. Fire them now.
Stay put and draft a quarterback. We drafted him too high. He isn't even a first rounder, we could have got him in the 4th round. They suck. Fire them now.
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Bypassed 2 QBs who went 2 and 4 picks after us and as I’m typing this I think Denver is taking Nix at 12, all for a wide receiver which may be the deepest position in this draft.
The Giants have very little hope to sell fans for next season.
They had to know that by not picking again until 47, they were going to get one chance at a significant QB selection and they passed it up.
we'll see how it ends up but it was certainly an unexpected endorsement of jones.
they tried to trade up for drake maye though, so it would seem they had qbs who they saw as upgrades and others they didnt.
I do not believe that they tried to trade up for Maye. Nabers was their guy. Imo the talk about the Giants trading up was from other teams trying to increase offers.
rapaport is usually pretty accurate and he reported it after the pats made their pick that both NYG and MIN made a last attempt to get up and they said no.
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Because he had a crack at all three and passed.
Frankly, I really don't want to hear anymore that Schoen is taking marching orders from Mara. I keep hearing from a group of posters how SMART Schoen is.
Well, if you believe that, you'd better believe Jones is his ticket. And he has tripled down.
They simply like Jones a lot. And if you like your QB, you don't go out of your way to replace him.
They simply like Jones a lot. And if you like your QB, you don't go out of your way to replace him.
i'm surprised they werent more concerned with the injuries. anybody can get hurt but if you have 2 anybodies you have twice as good of a chance to have 1 healthy one.
So sad
Can’t wait to hear the all new batch of excuses next year for your boy.
Because he had a crack at all three and passed.
Frankly, I really don't want to hear anymore that Schoen is taking marching orders from Mara. I keep hearing from a group of posters how SMART Schoen is.
Well, if you believe that, you'd better believe Jones is his ticket. And he has tripled down.
If the Pats accepted our trade offer
Then this narrative wouldn’t exist
Do you think they would have tried to trade up if they were doubling down on DJ?
🤦🏻♂️
I wonder... could it really be as simple as ownership simply refusing to acknowledge they were wrong about him? It honestly seems that base.
i'm surprised they werent more concerned with the injuries. anybody can get hurt but if you have 2 anybodies you have twice as good of a chance to have 1 healthy one.
If Jones is telling the truth, and the neck issue was just a stinger. And he's already sprinting on the ACL -- seems like the injuries aren't of the opinion-changing variety.
Too funny.
Yes the excuses are over for DJ. The flip side is, he has never had a #1 WR worth a shit until right now.
The thing is, although they tried, they never did get him those weapons and protection, trying and failing doesn't count, so ....
Not exactly a high bar.
They simply like Jones a lot. And if you like your QB, you don't go out of your way to replace him.
Great point and something myself and many other fans simply overlooked because we want to move on from Jones.
Unless they were in the top 3 and there hands would truly forced, they weren’t going QB.
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It didn’t go your waaaaaaaay
So sad
Can’t wait to hear the all new batch of excuses next year for your boy.
Cry
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Jones is a > prospect than McCarthy, Penix and Nix.
Because he had a crack at all three and passed.
Frankly, I really don't want to hear anymore that Schoen is taking marching orders from Mara. I keep hearing from a group of posters how SMART Schoen is.
Well, if you believe that, you'd better believe Jones is his ticket. And he has tripled down.
If the Pats accepted our trade offer
Then this narrative wouldn’t exist
Do you think they would have tried to trade up if they were doubling down on DJ?
Do I think Schoen checked in to see what it might take? Sure. Do I think Schoen went balls to the wall to get a QB at #3? Frankly, I'm not so sure.
They simply like Jones a lot. And if you like your QB, you don't go out of your way to replace him.
If they liked Jones so much then why they try and trade up for Maye?
I wanted a QB too….but that doesn’t make sense
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Most teams in QB he'll are trying to improve, but just don't hit on the right guys. We are actively committing to this loser while making massive donations to his generational wealth fund.
I wonder... could it really be as simple as ownership simply refusing to acknowledge they were wrong about him? It honestly seems that base.
Yeah I do think it's that. But I'm also not going to defend Schoen. He wasn't able to do anything about it so he's worthless. I guess the only escape for us at this point is that Jones gets old enough and chooses to retire or gets injured enough that he can't continue
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Jones is a > prospect than McCarthy, Penix and Nix.
Because he had a crack at all three and passed.
Frankly, I really don't want to hear anymore that Schoen is taking marching orders from Mara. I keep hearing from a group of posters how SMART Schoen is.
Well, if you believe that, you'd better believe Jones is his ticket. And he has tripled down.
If the Pats accepted our trade offer
Then this narrative wouldn’t exist
Do you think they would have tried to trade up if they were doubling down on DJ?
Do I think Schoen checked in to see what it might take? Sure. Do I think Schoen went balls to the wall to get a QB at #3? Frankly, I'm not so sure.
So you don’t know what the offer was?
But you’d rather complain that we are all in on DJ with in fact they did make an offer
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They obviously didn't like the group after the top 3. Gotta trust the work
Have you 'trusted the work' these last 12 years?
Exactly. “Trust the work” of a franchise that can’t draft worth a shit.
New front office and they spent a ton of time with the QBs
I am sorry they didn't ask you for your opinion on the draft. Obviously we should have let this crew make the selection
I don't see what Schoen and Dabs do - clearly.
He isn't good. Nabers or not. Improvements along the OL or not. And people can't say that we haven't tried to bring in weapons or improvements in front of him.
He isn't a gamechanger. He's barely average. The team overpaid, and now we are stuck with his fragile neck for yet another season.
Yay.
....."And people can't say that we haven't tried to bring in weapons or improvements in front of him."
Yes, we tried ... and failed. Look, I'm not a huge Jones fan ... definite flaws. But saying we TRIED to get him weapons and protection is not a reflection on him, we FAILED. Given all the circumstances, I think we made the best choice tonight, not because we owe it to him, but because it's best for the team. Feel free to disagree.
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It didn’t go your waaaaaaaay
So sad
Can’t wait to hear the all new batch of excuses next year for your boy.
Cry
Mature. Go win games or shut the fuck up.
They simply like Jones a lot. And if you like your QB, you don't go out of your way to replace him.
If they liked Jones so much then why they try and trade up for Maye?
I wanted a QB too….but that doesn’t make sense
Because it's possible to like two things at the same time.
When the Giants picked Nabers, there were 3 top 15 QBs available. And they liked Daniel Jones more.
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I very much doubted the Giants would take a QB. I get the diligence, and I certainly believe they rated Williams, Daniels, and Maye all as upgraded to Jones. But I don't think they were ever going to make a huge push.
They simply like Jones a lot. And if you like your QB, you don't go out of your way to replace him.
If they liked Jones so much then why they try and trade up for Maye?
I wanted a QB too….but that doesn’t make sense
Because it's possible to like two things at the same time.
When the Giants picked Nabers, there were 3 top 15 QBs available. And they liked Daniel Jones more.
Again beauty is in the eye of the beholder and if they didn’t have a conviction on the remaining QB’s then why take one
Has literally nothing to do with DJ
Again they had their guy…but NE wasn’t willing to trade
And who is to say that is the right move
btw...what's the over-under on when Nabers asks for a trade?
Training camp.
I think Lock starts the year, we're DOA in Oct again.
Again beauty is in the eye of the beholder and if they didn’t have a conviction on the remaining QB’s then why take one
Has literally nothing to do with DJ
Again they had their guy…but NE wasn’t willing to trade
The Giants passing on 3 top 15 QBs, including QBs Payton and O'Connell picked, doesn't indicate to you they like Jones?
So you don’t know what the offer was?
But you’d rather complain that we are all in on DJ with in fact they did make an offer
I'm calling it like I see it.
Did we make a legit offer? Did we even make an offer? I don't know.
Again, I don't doubt Schoen called Wolf to get a feel for the situation. But maybe it was a call to check a box.
And an All-Pro line and a better WR2, WR3, TE, kicker, punter, FB...
The dead guy from Weekend at Bernies would look better in preseason than DJ.
I think they are looking at 2024 as sunk cost so they don't want to flush $40 milion.
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So you don’t know what the offer was?
But you’d rather complain that we are all in on DJ with in fact they did make an offer
I'm calling it like I see it.
Did we make a legit offer? Did we even make an offer? I don't know.
Again, I don't doubt Schoen called Wolf to get a feel for the situation. But maybe it was a call to check a box.
Now, with no QB to take in round 2, the question is are they better with Jones/Nabers or McCarthy and a round 2 WR in a WR heavy draft.
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Jones is a > prospect than McCarthy, Penix and Nix.
Because he had a crack at all three and passed.
Frankly, I really don't want to hear anymore that Schoen is taking marching orders from Mara. I keep hearing from a group of posters how SMART Schoen is.
Well, if you believe that, you'd better believe Jones is his ticket. And he has tripled down.
If the Pats accepted our trade offer
Then this narrative wouldn’t exist
Do you think they would have tried to trade up if they were doubling down on DJ?
Do I think Schoen checked in to see what it might take? Sure. Do I think Schoen went balls to the wall to get a QB at #3? Frankly, I'm not so sure.
I doubt John would let him.
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It didn’t go your waaaaaaaay
So sad
Can’t wait to hear the all new batch of excuses next year for your boy.
Cry
Mature. Go win games or shut the fuck up.
Keep crying. The Giants didn't see it your way and drafted the player they thought better to help the team. Just because you wanted a QB doesn't mean it was the right pick to force one. Get over yourself
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It didn’t go your waaaaaaaay
So sad
Can’t wait to hear the all new batch of excuses next year for your boy.
Cry
Mature. Go win games or shut the fuck up.
Keep crying. The Giants didn't see it your way and drafted the player they thought better to help the team. Just because you wanted a QB doesn't mean it was the right pick to force one. Get over yourself
Have you considered the possibility that the Giants don’t know what they are doing?
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It didn’t go your waaaaaaaay
So sad
Can’t wait to hear the all new batch of excuses next year for your boy.
Cry
Mature. Go win games or shut the fuck up.
Keep crying. The Giants didn't see it your way and drafted the player they thought better to help the team. Just because you wanted a QB doesn't mean it was the right pick to force one. Get over yourself
Have you considered the possibility that the Giants don’t know what they are doing?
Have you considered they have more knowledge than you and understand why things went to shit last year?