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Is Daniel Jones set up for success?

ThisIsMyBBIname : 4/25/2024 10:07 pm
Finally rid of a bust RB who was always hurt

Finally has a #1 WR.

3rd year in a QB friendly system

Is this a make or break year for Danny?
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Not yet  
rsjem1979 : 4/25/2024 10:17 pm : link
They need Mike Webster at center and Gene Upshaw at guard, and Mark Bavaro to come play tight end. Only then can we evaluate him.
Giants  
mdthedream : 4/25/2024 10:18 pm : link
have addressed the real issue the Offensive line. They gave up 85 sacks last year. We added a top WR and its not over yet we can add players still in free agency and the rest of the draft. I am glad we didn't give up this years picks and next years to move up.
RE: RE: Jones  
Darwinian : 4/25/2024 10:18 pm : link
In comment 16489180 ThisIsMyBBIname said:
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You think losing Saquon will help Jones? Hmmm

In all my years following sports I have never seen a player treated like Jones has before. It boggles my mind. Strange phenomenon.



Saquon was always hurt and let Jones down when it mattered most. He wasn't a winning player. He's Philly's problem now.


Up is down. Black is white.
RE: Define success  
steve in ky : 4/25/2024 10:18 pm : link
In comment 16489074 The_Boss said:
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30 td’s? In one season?


I’d say lead them to a playoffs would matter more
RE: Jones  
j_rud : 4/25/2024 10:19 pm : link
In comment 16489157 TyreeHelmet said:
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You think losing Saquon will help Jones? Hmmm

In all my years following sports I have never seen a player treated like Jones has before. It boggles my mind. Strange phenomenon.


He says, unironically.
RE: RE: Daniel Jones is going to be successful  
Scooter185 : 4/25/2024 10:19 pm : link
In comment 16489182 j_rud said:
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At getting a 3rd HC and 2nd GM fired



I think if they felt Jones playing poorly this year would get them canned they'd have been a lot looser with that 2025 1st rounder.


Fan sentiment will turn fast when the seasons over by Halloween again, regardless of anything Mara has told them since the end of last season.

Ranaan said on TMKS "when fan sentiment turns coaches get fired"
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Mike from Ohio : 4/25/2024 10:20 pm : link
In comment 16489179 Darwinian said:
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Only four QBs threw for 30+ tds last year. Its probably unfair to put that pressure on him.



You're right. Don't want to pressure our $100M QB too much. He should take his time.



$100 million is a bargain for a starting NFL QB. Don't let DJ Derangement syndrome cloud your assessment.



He was the 32nd best starter in 2023. Worse than Zach Wilson. He's godawful. But for you he's a bargain at $100M. You must be Daniel's mom. I have bad news for you. Lock will beat him out


I don’t think there is an open contest. If Daniel can find the field and cross over the white lines, he will start. He is the Giants QB and it is his job until he doesn’t want it any longer.
Well most of these responses...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/25/2024 10:20 pm : link
... Put emotion in front of reflection, at the end of the day he has been a bad quarterback.

He is likely in a much better position this coming season but I would have preferred that the Giants selected JJ.
Unfortunately  
Jerry in_DC : 4/25/2024 10:21 pm : link
The title of this thread is also the mission statement of the New York Giants franchise
Until the OL has proven it is fixed ....  
short lease : 4/25/2024 10:22 pm : link

No QB will be very successful on this team (imo).
maybe this is laughable, but  
FranknWeezer : 4/25/2024 10:22 pm : link
we can only hope that all of this quarterback pursuit will light a big fire under his ass
RE: RE: Define success  
ThisIsMyBBIname : 4/25/2024 10:22 pm : link
In comment 16489196 steve in ky said:
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30 td’s? In one season?



I’d say lead them to a playoffs would matter more


He's already done that so if that is the baseline, then he's already suceeded and also went above and beyond by actually winning a playoff game
RE: Unfortunately  
ThisIsMyBBIname : 4/25/2024 10:23 pm : link
In comment 16489223 Jerry in_DC said:
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The title of this thread is also the mission statement of the New York Giants franchise


Yeah because supporting your best player is somehow a bad thing
RE: I think  
4xchamps : 4/25/2024 10:26 pm : link
In comment 16489101 Woodstock said:
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Drew Lock starts


ZERO chance if DJ is healthy.
RE: RE: RE: Define success  
steve in ky : 4/25/2024 10:27 pm : link
In comment 16489249 ThisIsMyBBIname said:
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30 td’s? In one season?



I’d say lead them to a playoffs would matter more



He's already done that so if that is the baseline, then he's already suceeded and also went above and beyond by actually winning a playoff game


So if the Giants go to the playoffs it wouldn’t be successful season?
DJ who?????  
OBJRoyal : 4/25/2024 10:27 pm : link
Hopefully this is for Lock
He is not as bad as people make him out to be  
NY-Fan : 4/25/2024 10:32 pm : link
His injuries are a concern and I was a bit shocked by how he started off last season. This could go many ways. He could possibly not be ready for the season due to injuries. He could start, but look as unproductive as last year. He could also look more like he did in 2022 and with an improved O-line and more weapons play better than expected. We just have to wait and see.
If the OL is improved yes  
Walker Gillette : 4/25/2024 10:32 pm : link
He'll have the best receiving group he's ever had and the most time to throw to them. No more Ezedu playing LT, Shane Lemieux at LG and a turn style Neal. Seemed easier for Tyrod and Cutlets when they had Thomas, Pugh and Phillips replacing those guys.
whether you like Barkley or notqYou lose any credibility calling him  
Matt M. : 4/25/2024 10:35 pm : link
a bust. He has been a top 5 RB when healthy.

I am certainly curious to see what Jones does...if he even starts the season. I don't have much faith in him, but he is being set up the way his supporters have been clamoring for. It's 100% on him.
Unless he has an incredible year as soon as he can be replaced  
Blue21 : 4/25/2024 10:38 pm : link
I believe he will be. And by that I mean by someone they feel is better and no longer than the end of this year.
RE: How we soon forget  
HardTruth : 4/25/2024 11:04 pm : link
In comment 16489104 stoneman said:
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He did win a playoff game :) He does have his moments - good or bad.


he does have his moment.
Wait, I thought losing Saquon to injury was a reason  
HardTruth : 4/25/2024 11:05 pm : link
Why he was bad this season? Now, he will be better without him?
It looks like Schoen...  
bw in dc : 4/25/2024 11:09 pm : link
has done even more this offseason not to screw up Daniel Jones's chance to be a great QB.
RE: It looks like Schoen...  
christian : 4/25/2024 11:11 pm : link
In comment 16489613 bw in dc said:
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has done even more this offseason not to screw up Daniel Jones's chance to be a great QB.


Watch that video of the press conference.

Schoen texted Jones before the pick was announced to let him know.
RE: RE: It looks like Schoen...  
Go Terps : 4/25/2024 11:11 pm : link
In comment 16489622 christian said:
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has done even more this offseason not to screw up Daniel Jones's chance to be a great QB.



Watch that video of the press conference.

Schoen texted Jones before the pick was announced to let him know.


I'm excited. Gonna be a high flying offense in 2024.
RE: RE: It looks like Schoen...  
bw in dc : 4/25/2024 11:16 pm : link
In comment 16489622 christian said:
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In comment 16489613 bw in dc said:


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has done even more this offseason not to screw up Daniel Jones's chance to be a great QB.



Watch that video of the press conference.

Schoen texted Jones before the pick was announced to let him know.


I will.

Wouldn't you love a screenshot of that text?
I'd argue that each...  
Roto_Wizard : 4/25/2024 11:17 pm : link
Of the last 2 years were "make or break" for Jones. Yet injuries and inefficiency cut that answer short.

He has ZERO excuses this year. OL should be improved. Weapons are improved. He knows the system in and out.

Just pray that he doesn't get hurt again. Again. Again.
bw  
Go Terps : 4/25/2024 11:19 pm : link
I owe you an apology. You were right about Schoen. I was wrong.
Possibly  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 11:20 pm : link
but he won't be able to play 17 games based on his history.
RE: RE: I think  
Woodstock : 4/25/2024 11:20 pm : link
In comment 16489287 4xchamps said:
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Drew Lock starts



ZERO chance if DJ is healthy.


Man shut up
Hi Joe  
Jerry in_DC : 4/25/2024 11:22 pm : link
I'm glad we got him but I still only have to throw flat routes and 5 yard curls right? I mean I can throw other routes. I mean, never mind. Say hi to Mr. Mara for me! Tell him I asked about his workout routine and golf game
RE: bw  
Sean : 4/25/2024 11:23 pm : link
In comment 16489656 Go Terps said:
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I owe you an apology. You were right about Schoen. I was wrong.

Just watched the press conference. Schoen texted Daniel shortly before the pick.

bw was all over it. "We've done everything possible to screw this kid up. Year 6."

A positive I guess is Maye was polarizing. If this regime is fired after this year there isn't a QB forced on anyone.
Ah christian beat me to it  
Sean : 4/25/2024 11:23 pm : link
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I do think christian is right though  
Sean : 4/25/2024 11:24 pm : link
Nabers wil lift the offense a bit, NYG goes 8-9 & Jones is back in 2025 with his $47M cap hit.
Definitely  
Go Terps : 4/25/2024 11:26 pm : link
As long as he's healthy I think Jones will be here until Arch Manning comes out in 2027.
RE: I do think christian is right though  
rsjem1979 : 4/25/2024 11:26 pm : link
In comment 16489677 Sean said:
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Nabers wil lift the offense a bit, NYG goes 8-9 & Jones is back in 2025 with his $47M cap hit.


Oh don’t you worry they will extend and restructure that deal.
Yeah there is now  
Jerry in_DC : 4/25/2024 11:27 pm : link
a pretty realistic scenario where we don't even have a chance of being good for the rest of the 2020s
 
christian : 4/25/2024 11:27 pm : link
It was always going to take more than a non-career threatening injury to move off a player they gave 82M to 13 months ago.

Was Maye special enough of a QB to get them there? Maybe. But the other top 15 QBs weren't.

Like I've posted a trillion times, I'll believe they're moving on from Jones when they do.
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Go Terps : 4/25/2024 11:31 pm : link
In comment 16489692 christian said:
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It was always going to take more than a non-career threatening injury to move off a player they gave 82M to 13 months ago.

Was Maye special enough of a QB to get them there? Maybe. But the other top 15 QBs weren't.

Like I've posted a trillion times, I'll believe they're moving on from Jones when they do.


Months ago I said there was little chance they'd draft a QB. Over time I talked myself into it.

My problem is I'm an optimist. That's over.
I assumed the OP was ironic/kidding  
Mike from SI : 4/25/2024 11:31 pm : link
and I still think that.
Unlikely  
iMatt : 4/25/2024 11:32 pm : link
But the Giants are a better team today than they were yesterday. I’ll call that a success. Replacing DJ is a priority. It may not be THE priority given the circumstances. Baby steps. There are plenty of ways to build a contender. Look at the Rams and Bucs.
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christian : 4/25/2024 11:42 pm : link
In comment 16489705 Go Terps said:
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Like I've posted a trillion times, I'll believe they're moving on from Jones when they do.

Months ago I said there was little chance they'd draft a QB. Over time I talked myself into it.

My problem is I'm an optimist. That's over.


I certainly think they considered it. But when you like and invest in a player that much, it takes something big to move off.

Schoen and Daboll like Jones the way Payton likes Nix.
If the Giants win 8 or 9 games  
LW_Giants : 4/25/2024 11:42 pm : link
I have zero doubt they'll restructure and extend Jones. The Giants are desperate to prove he was a good pick and the contract they gave him made sense.

It's a hallmark of this shit organization, clinging to mistakes as long as humanly possible while telling yourself they weren't mistakes.
The bizarre fixation this organization has with a failure of a QB  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2024 2:10 am : link
like Daniel Jones is one of the strangest things I’ve ever seen in professional sports
The offense seems better on paper  
moespree : 4/26/2024 2:39 am : link
But I wouldn't hold my breath that Jones will do anything different with it.

Is he going to actually throw the ball deep to Nabers? Or is the 2 yard check down back for year 6?
RE: The bizarre fixation this organization has with a failure of a QB  
Go Terps : 4/26/2024 3:17 am : link
In comment 16489983 Greg from LI said:
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like Daniel Jones is one of the strangest things I’ve ever seen in professional sports


From the mouthpiece himself, Ralph Vacchiano:

"The Giants made the right move to stick with the QB they already had and get Daniel Jones the No. 1 receiver he's always needed.

Malik Nabers was the right pick at the right time."
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hence  
BigBlueCane : 4/26/2024 4:10 am : link
they're going to need Belicheck or someone like him that has the gravitas required to tell the owners its time to move off of Jones.
The WR will help  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/26/2024 7:07 am : link
but they need the OL to take a big step forward. Daboll needs to show he can develop a top running game via the RB's but I expect more of his gimmicky designed QB runs from the pocket.
The excuse this time  
logman : 4/26/2024 7:11 am : link
will be Barkley's absence, because there will always be an excuse
Some people on here will find a new excuse if he continued to suck  
Ned In Atlanta : 4/26/2024 7:26 am : link
Nabers better watch it, it's his job to elevate the qb, never the other way around
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