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What bothers me about the pick

Chris684 : 4/25/2024 10:18 pm
Is the fact that the 3 guys available to us went 2, 4 and 6 picks behind us. That said, there really shouldn’t be any argument that we would have over drafted any of them at 6. It’s not like they went in the late teens/late first. The market is the market and we decided not to play the price for a legit QB option. It was so obvious the QB had to be taken at 6 the way the market was setting up.
Hmmmm  
regischarlotte : 4/25/2024 10:20 pm : link
Maybe they just liked Nabers better?
What do other teams have to do with us?  
Big Rick in FL : 4/25/2024 10:22 pm : link
The Giants obviously didn't like the available QBs. If they didn't like them they shouldn't have drafted them.
If any of Penix, McCarthy or Nix become quality starters  
Mike from Ohio : 4/25/2024 10:22 pm : link
This is only not a huge miss if Nabers is an All Pro year after year.

I am not a QB guru, but it was obvious to anyone paying attention that there would be no QB options in round 2, or even late round 1.
Sweet baby Jesus  
knowledgetimmons : 4/25/2024 10:22 pm : link
Nabers is the best at his position in this draft. At a position that’s critical.


Sorry you didn’t get your QB. Boo hoo.
I m over it. We got a stud WR .  
Blue21 : 4/25/2024 10:24 pm : link
How about a stud RB
RE: Sweet baby Jesus  
4xchamps : 4/25/2024 10:24 pm : link
In comment 16489247 knowledgetimmons said:
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Nabers is the best at his position in this draft. At a position that’s critical.


Sorry you didn’t get your QB. Boo hoo.


Exactly! Fu(%ing crybabies
RE: If any of Penix, McCarthy or Nix become quality starters  
BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit : 4/25/2024 10:24 pm : link
In comment 16489239 Mike from Ohio said:
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This is only not a huge miss if Nabers is an All Pro year after year.

I am not a QB guru, but it was obvious to anyone paying attention that there would be no QB options in round 2, or even late round 1.


What a stupid take. So you think if one of those 3 QBs pan out and Schoen didnt correctly pick which one then we failed here?
It's what it is  
Sean : 4/25/2024 10:25 pm : link
My expectations for this season are the playoffs.

-Expensive QB
-WR1
-Investments in the OL
-Brian Burns

It's a win now team. Go win.

If not, there are really good coaches out there next year.
Worst thing about the pick has been the fan reaction  
j_rud : 4/25/2024 10:26 pm : link
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I wanted QB too but  
FranknWeezer : 4/25/2024 10:28 pm : link
JS and co. tried to get to Maye at #3, but NE wouldn’t budge. They extensively evaluated those QB’s after the top 3 and found them unworthy of the #6 pick. I don’t know how we can argue with that.
RE: It's what it is  
pjcas18 : 4/25/2024 10:28 pm : link
In comment 16489282 Sean said:
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My expectations for this season are the playoffs.

-Expensive QB
-WR1
-Investments in the OL
-Brian Burns

It's a win now team. Go win.

If not, there are really good coaches out there next year.


Your hopes or expectations?

I mean, we all hope for playoffs, but while the off-season is still incomplete and there have been some improvements, I fear you may be disappointed if that's your expectation. Hope I'm proven wrong.
RE: It's what it is  
56goat : 4/25/2024 10:29 pm : link
In comment 16489282 Sean said:
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My expectations for this season are the playoffs.

-Expensive QB
-WR1
-Investments in the OL
-Brian Burns

It's a win now team. Go win.

If not, there are really good coaches out there next year.


A win now team??? Surely you can't be serious.
RE: I wanted QB too but  
g56blue10 : 4/25/2024 10:29 pm : link
In comment 16489307 FranknWeezer said:
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JS and co. tried to get to Maye at #3, but NE wouldn’t budge. They extensively evaluated those QB’s after the top 3 and found them unworthy of the #6 pick. I don’t know how we can argue with that.




We can’t argue that’s what they think. We can argue weather their right or wrong
RE: Worst thing about the pick has been the fan reaction  
RCPhoenix : 4/25/2024 10:29 pm : link
In comment 16489284 j_rud said:
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Agreed. It feels like it does after a Giants loss.
I don’t really care about the reaction to this thread  
Chris684 : 4/25/2024 10:31 pm : link
I always shy away from a sky is falling mentality but not this time. I’m done with the Daniel Jones storyline. I just thought Schoen and Daboll were too.

3 attainable 1st round QB options and we punt.

Unbelievable.
RE: RE: It's what it is  
Sean : 4/25/2024 10:33 pm : link
In comment 16489326 56goat said:
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In comment 16489282 Sean said:


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My expectations for this season are the playoffs.

-Expensive QB
-WR1
-Investments in the OL
-Brian Burns

It's a win now team. Go win.

If not, there are really good coaches out there next year.



A win now team??? Surely you can't be serious.

They just gave their $40M QB a legit WR1. Explain how they aren't. Their actions are saying they are.
RE: Sweet baby Jesus  
BigBlueBuff : 4/25/2024 10:33 pm : link
In comment 16489247 knowledgetimmons said:
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Nabers is the best at his position in this draft. At a position that’s critical.


Sorry you didn’t get your QB. Boo hoo.
No he was not the best at his position. MHjr has ALWAYS been the best WR in the draft.
Your logic has a flaw  
k2tampa : 4/25/2024 10:33 pm : link
You are assuming each of those players was taken exactly where they were 'rated'. What if each of those players was 'overdrafted' by 8 to 10 spots where they were taken?

Maybe Minnesota had McCarthy rated 25th but felt they had to take him because they were desperate for a QB.
RE: RE: If any of Penix, McCarthy or Nix become quality starters  
Mike from Ohio : 4/25/2024 10:34 pm : link
In comment 16489271 BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit said:
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In comment 16489239 Mike from Ohio said:


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This is only not a huge miss if Nabers is an All Pro year after year.

I am not a QB guru, but it was obvious to anyone paying attention that there would be no QB options in round 2, or even late round 1.



What a stupid take. So you think if one of those 3 QBs pan out and Schoen didnt correctly pick which one then we failed here?


We passed on QBs to get a WR in an exceptionally deep Wr draft. Yes, if we passed on a solid QB to get a slight upgrade at WR, the Giants made a huge mistake.

Even someone with your clear challenges should understand that.
Yeah its depressing  
Jerry in_DC : 4/25/2024 10:37 pm : link
But we owe it to Daniel to see what he can do with better talent around him.
RE: I wanted QB too but  
section125 : 4/25/2024 10:38 pm : link
In comment 16489307 FranknWeezer said:
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JS and co. tried to get to Maye at #3, but NE wouldn’t budge. They extensively evaluated those QB’s after the top 3 and found them unworthy of the #6 pick. I don’t know how we can argue with that.


And I honestly think NE was stringing teams along. They quickly took Maye - believe I saw Kraft on the phone with 5 minutes to go. I believe Maye was their pick from the get go.
RE: RE: RE: It's what it is  
averagejoe : 4/25/2024 10:45 pm : link
In comment 16489379 Sean said:
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In comment 16489326 56goat said:


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In comment 16489282 Sean said:


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My expectations for this season are the playoffs.

-Expensive QB
-WR1
-Investments in the OL
-Brian Burns

It's a win now team. Go win.

If not, there are really good coaches out there next year.



A win now team??? Surely you can't be serious.


They just gave their $40M QB a legit WR1. Explain how they aren't. Their actions are saying they are.


Where on earth did you get the idea an expensive QB is any good ?

Certainly not from watching Daniel Jones play. His pic 6 vs Seattle last year gets a HS QB benched
I don’t think we will see Daniel Jones  
DonnieD89 : 4/25/2024 10:49 pm : link
on the field. I think it’s Drew.’s job. The injury clause will be a killer in the following year in Jones is injured. This is going to be a bridge year for the quarterback. This building of the offense is not to see how Jones will do. It’s going to be set up for whatever the future quarterback is going to be.
Chris they (and MIN) also tried to move up to #3 for Maye  
Eric on Li : 4/25/2024 10:56 pm : link
so there was clearly a tier difference. NYG felt Nabers was elevated over that tier and they seem to still be comfortable with jones more than the other teams were with their situations.
RE: What do other teams have to do with us?  
WillVAB : 4/25/2024 11:00 pm : link
In comment 16489236 Big Rick in FL said:
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The Giants obviously didn't like the available QBs. If they didn't like them they shouldn't have drafted them.


This implies the organization likes Jones more which is absurd.
RE: I don’t really care about the reaction to this thread  
DeVito32 : 4/26/2024 12:09 am : link
In comment 16489354 Chris684 said:
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I always shy away from a sky is falling mentality but not this time. I’m done with the Daniel Jones storyline. I just thought Schoen and Daboll were too.

3 attainable 1st round QB options and we punt.

Unbelievable.


Who effing cares what other teams think? They couldn’t have reached? Just because other teams drafted players you wanted obviously doesn’t mean the Giants felt the same way.

Joe Schoen literally said he had 15 1st round grades on players. I’m betting only Caleb, Daniels and Maye were the only QBs on that list. And Nabers most likely had the highest grade on their board.
RE: RE: RE: If any of Penix, McCarthy or Nix become quality starters  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 12:16 am : link
In comment 16489386 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 16489271 BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit said:


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In comment 16489239 Mike from Ohio said:


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This is only not a huge miss if Nabers is an All Pro year after year.

I am not a QB guru, but it was obvious to anyone paying attention that there would be no QB options in round 2, or even late round 1.



What a stupid take. So you think if one of those 3 QBs pan out and Schoen didnt correctly pick which one then we failed here?



We passed on QBs to get a WR in an exceptionally deep Wr draft. Yes, if we passed on a solid QB to get a slight upgrade at WR, the Giants made a huge mistake.

Even someone with your clear challenges should understand that.


6 wrs went round and I bet another 6 go before pock 47. The pickings will be slim. Would you have been happier with JJM at 6?
RE: RE: I don’t really care about the reaction to this thread  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 12:17 am : link
In comment 16489848 DeVito32 said:
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In comment 16489354 Chris684 said:


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I always shy away from a sky is falling mentality but not this time. I’m done with the Daniel Jones storyline. I just thought Schoen and Daboll were too.

3 attainable 1st round QB options and we punt.

Unbelievable.



Who effing cares what other teams think? They couldn’t have reached? Just because other teams drafted players you wanted obviously doesn’t mean the Giants felt the same way.

Joe Schoen literally said he had 15 1st round grades on players. I’m betting only Caleb, Daniels and Maye were the only QBs on that list. And Nabers most likely had the highest grade on their board.


Agreed, Nabers was likely one of the top players on their board and qbs 4-6 likely weren't graded as 1st rd for them. Whether right or wrong, that is likely true.
RE: RE: It's what it is  
santacruzom : 4/26/2024 12:19 am : link
In comment 16489326 56goat said:
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In comment 16489282 Sean said:


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My expectations for this season are the playoffs.

-Expensive QB
-WR1
-Investments in the OL
-Brian Burns

It's a win now team. Go win.

If not, there are really good coaches out there next year.



A win now team??? Surely you can't be serious.


I think his point is, the Giants management is acting as though the team is win-now.
Of course it's win now  
Go Terps : 4/26/2024 12:23 am : link
#6 drafted QB on a big contract
#4 drafted OT on a big contract
#7 drafted OT
#6 drafted WR
#17 drafted DT on a big contract
#4 drafted edge
FA edge in a big contract
#25 drafted CB

This is it. We've got to be pushing for an appearance in the NFC title game, right?
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Go Terps : 4/26/2024 12:26 am : link
RE: Of course it's win now  
Eric on Li : 4/26/2024 12:28 am : link
In comment 16489893 Go Terps said:
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#6 drafted QB on a big contract
#4 drafted OT on a big contract
#7 drafted OT
#6 drafted WR
#17 drafted DT on a big contract
#4 drafted edge
FA edge in a big contract
#25 drafted CB

This is it. We've got to be pushing for an appearance in the NFC title game, right?


in year 3 playoffs should 100% be the expectation.
averagejoe  
Sean : 4/26/2024 12:30 am : link
I'm not saying he's good, Joe Schoen is,

Sean Payton thinks highly enough of Bo Nix.
KOC thinks highly enough of JJ McCarthy.
The Falcons drafted Penix after signing Cousins.

Joe Schoen just told us how he felt about Daniel Jones. This is HIS QB. This was his chance to pivot.

Go win.
The Giants tried to trade up  
AcesUp : 4/26/2024 12:31 am : link
It didn't materialize but if you put any stock into any of the rumors, the Giants tried. So unless you think it was a half hearted attempt - the Pats took QB at 3 and there was legit noise around the Giants maybe being close, that's a tough sell to me. I don't think this pick is an endorsement in Jones beyond the floor they believe Jones/Lock give them this year and more to do with what this prospect can give them long term.
RE: RE: Of course it's win now  
Go Terps : 4/26/2024 12:32 am : link
In comment 16489902 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16489893 Go Terps said:


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#6 drafted QB on a big contract
#4 drafted OT on a big contract
#7 drafted OT
#6 drafted WR
#17 drafted DT on a big contract
#4 drafted edge
FA edge in a big contract
#25 drafted CB

This is it. We've got to be pushing for an appearance in the NFC title game, right?



in year 3 playoffs should 100% be the expectation.


We'll see.
And hey I sympathize with their plight  
Go Terps : 4/26/2024 12:34 am : link
They fell in full bloom love with a QB and he didn't drop to them.

Fortunately the Giants subscribe to the adage that the best time to shop for a QB is when you already have one, and they have three.
RE: RE: RE: If any of Penix, McCarthy or Nix become quality starters  
Ned In Atlanta : 4/26/2024 12:49 am : link
In comment 16489386 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 16489271 BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit said:


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In comment 16489239 Mike from Ohio said:


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This is only not a huge miss if Nabers is an All Pro year after year.

I am not a QB guru, but it was obvious to anyone paying attention that there would be no QB options in round 2, or even late round 1.



What a stupid take. So you think if one of those 3 QBs pan out and Schoen didnt correctly pick which one then we failed here?



We passed on QBs to get a WR in an exceptionally deep Wr draft. Yes, if we passed on a solid QB to get a slight upgrade at WR, the Giants made a huge mistake.

Even someone with your clear challenges should understand that.


I want Jones gone, I generally like you as a poster, but you and SF are becoming as annoying as Jack stroud and eight shamrocks. This is a very dumb take
They did their work  
Dankbeerman : 4/26/2024 6:10 am : link
on all the QBs. This was their choice over the other 3 QB's.

Maybe comparing the QBs to Maye left some glaring negatives towards those QBs that moved them down the board.

Couldnt get a deal done to get to 3, oh well we made a great pick, lets make some more.
RE: averagejoe  
Mbavaro : 4/26/2024 7:19 am : link
In comment 16489911 Sean said:
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I'm not saying he's good, Joe Schoen is,

Sean Payton thinks highly enough of Bo Nix.
KOC thinks highly enough of JJ McCarthy.
The Falcons drafted Penix after signing Cousins.

Joe Schoen just told us how he felt about Daniel Jones. This is HIS QB. This was his chance to pivot.

Go win.


If it is HIS QB

Why did he try to trade up for Maye?

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