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Theories on what New England was doing?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 10:24 pm
They clearly were talking to the Giants and Vikings about trading down. That was confirmed by numerous national and local reporters, including up until when the pick was made.

Incidentally, it's also clear the Giants and McCarthy was a smokescreen.

Why would the QB-desperate Patriots even consider moving Maye?
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BleedBlue : 4/25/2024 10:25 pm : link
i think like many, they had questions about him and for the "right" offer(overpay) they would move off of him.

the giants didnt budge hence the pick...

i mean... its one of those things if someone blows you away.... then you do it
18-1  
TommytheElephant : 4/25/2024 10:26 pm : link
Still hurts
They were fishing for a monster haul  
BlueHurricane : 4/25/2024 10:26 pm : link
Thank god we didn’t oblige them.
Nothing wrong with Patriots keeping all options open.  
ThomasG : 4/25/2024 10:26 pm : link
Only moron GMs turn off their phones.
What if  
BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit : 4/25/2024 10:27 pm : link
The Giants boadd was something like

Maye
Nabers
McCarthy

Not selecting him and not being interested both dont need to be true.
Maybe NE Hoped The Giants Would Trade Up For McCarthy  
Trainmaster : 4/25/2024 10:27 pm : link
And they could still get Maye at #6 or trade back up.
I thought the Patriots were also supposed to be enamored with  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 10:27 pm : link
McCarthy due to his Michigan roots, I guess that was way overblown as well.
RE: Nothing wrong with Patriots keeping all options open.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 10:28 pm : link
In comment 16489294 ThomasG said:
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Only moron GMs turn off their phones.


Different situation. You generally don't mess around with the QB position. You either believe in the guy or you don't, especially at #3.
I was always convinced...  
Johnny5 : 4/25/2024 10:28 pm : link
... that they were taking Maye. That was my bet anyway. They needed a QB worse than we did and I still feel the best two were Williams and Maye.
I think they were divided internally  
UberAlias : 4/25/2024 10:29 pm : link
They were hoping they could convince someone to make them an offer too good to pass that everyone in house supported and would make the decision for them.
Maybe they just treated Maye  
Jerry in_DC : 4/25/2024 10:29 pm : link
like a good prospect. IE - they like him, they think he could be good, but they didn't have "conviction" or full bloom love.

They recognize that he has some probability of being great/good/mediocre and they weighed those outcomes against the value they were being offered
Was Wolf trying to build a reputation for the next negotiation?  
John in NC : 4/25/2024 10:29 pm : link
Asking for a huge haul, never moving off the demand, then rushing to the podium with the pick when no one caved -- establishes some credibility for the new and unknown guy, who we all assumed was bluffing.
Because you always listen to offers when teams are QB hungry  
j_rud : 4/25/2024 10:29 pm : link
Unless youre Dave Fucking Gettleman
I think they were doing their due diligence  
BillT : 4/25/2024 10:29 pm : link
Make sure you know every possible option. Then make your choice.
RE: Nothing wrong with Patriots keeping all options open.  
FranknWeezer : 4/25/2024 10:29 pm : link
In comment 16489294 ThomasG said:
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Only moron GMs turn off their phones.


Like any GM really does that??!?!
There was clearly a disconnect between the what the GM wanted and what  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 10:29 pm : link
their head coach wanted as well.
That fanbase  
Sammo85 : 4/25/2024 10:30 pm : link
is spoiled and they checked out so fast from a couple rough seasons. Owners also are high on the hog thinking they invented the “Patriot Way” and dictated the QB pick, inject hope and some optimism.
They probably wanted  
US1 Giants : 4/25/2024 10:32 pm : link
Giants 1st, 2nd, and 1st in 2025 and would not take less.
Rico:  
widmerseyebrow : 4/25/2024 10:32 pm : link
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Deconstruction
Rico : mute : 9:34 pm : link : reply
We clearly wanted Maye. JJ was a smokescreen. Not sure how the deal with NE was on and then off again, but once they took Maye, there was no reason to trade up with AZ.

This is consistent with Schoen's history of targeting specific players and not position groups.

The big winner is Daniel Jones!
RE: Maybe they just treated Maye  
AcidTest : 4/25/2024 10:33 pm : link
In comment 16489322 Jerry in_DC said:
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like a good prospect. IE - they like him, they think he could be good, but they didn't have "conviction" or full bloom love.

They recognize that he has some probability of being great/good/mediocre and they weighed those outcomes against the value they were being offered


^This.
Well so far they haven't been good at picking QBs  
Blue21 : 4/25/2024 10:34 pm : link
They lucked into 6 rd pick Brady. So time will tell.
RE: RE: Nothing wrong with Patriots keeping all options open.  
ThomasG : 4/25/2024 10:37 pm : link
In comment 16489308 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16489294 ThomasG said:


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Only moron GMs turn off their phones.



Different situation. You generally don't mess around with the QB position. You either believe in the guy or you don't, especially at #3.


What’s mess around? The Pats controlled the situation. Pressured everybody to bring the offers. Analyzed the offers and chose the best option.

If your phone is off, then you will never know.
Thomas  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 10:39 pm : link
If you need a QB. And you take a QB at #3. Are you shopping him before you take him?

Has that happened before?
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BrettNYG10 : 4/25/2024 10:39 pm : link
My guess is the Pats liked both JJ and Maye but didn't want to risk losing both by going down to six. Giants only liked Maye and McCarthy was BS.
I think kraft was pushing for JJM and football guys wanted Maye  
Eric on Li : 4/25/2024 10:39 pm : link
i think they were probably set on maye for a while and then kraft got JJM in his head and forced them to "explore options".
RE: They probably wanted  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 10:40 pm : link
In comment 16489371 US1 Giants said:
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Giants 1st, 2nd, and 1st in 2025 and would not take less.


If you look at their ask they put out in media reports, NE said they were looking for three #1s minimum.
RE: Thomas  
ThomasG : 4/25/2024 10:43 pm : link
In comment 16489417 Eric from BBI said:
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If you need a QB. And you take a QB at #3. Are you shopping him before you take him?

Has that happened before?


They were shopping the slot. They obviously were examining some degree of optionality with more than just one QB.

Maye was their pick.  
section125 : 4/25/2024 10:43 pm : link
Period. Unless I was nuts, I saw Kraft on the phone with about 5 minutes left.
Probably this afternoon, Giants and Vikes made final offers and when it wasn't good enough, the Pats took Maye. I am believing that the three 1st rounders was real - or maybe more. It was a stupid high ask, especially for the Giants.
The thing I'm most confused by was the fact that most of our asshat  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 10:48 pm : link
reports centered around the fact that they also had McCarthy equally highly rated, if not higher rated than Maye, thus the reasoning for trading down to a slot where they could get him.
RE: The thing I'm most confused by was the fact that most of our asshat  
ThomasG : 4/25/2024 10:50 pm : link
In comment 16489491 GFAN52 said:
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reports centered around the fact that they also had McCarthy equally highly rated, if not higher rated than Maye, thus the reasoning for trading down to a slot where they could get him.


What’s confusing?
RE: RE: Thomas  
Johnny5 : 4/25/2024 10:51 pm : link
In comment 16489447 ThomasG said:
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In comment 16489417 Eric from BBI said:


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If you need a QB. And you take a QB at #3. Are you shopping him before you take him?

Has that happened before?



They were shopping the slot. They obviously were examining some degree of optionality with more than just one QB.

I think it was smart on their part. It's clear they liked Maye but they know that their roster is in shambles and they are going to need a lot of help roster wise.
RE: RE: The thing I'm most confused by was the fact that most of our asshat  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 10:52 pm : link
In comment 16489510 ThomasG said:
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In comment 16489491 GFAN52 said:


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reports centered around the fact that they also had McCarthy equally highly rated, if not higher rated than Maye, thus the reasoning for trading down to a slot where they could get him.



What’s confusing?


That was reasoning for the potential trade deal.
RE: The thing I'm most confused by was the fact that most of our asshat  
section125 : 4/25/2024 10:53 pm : link
In comment 16489491 GFAN52 said:
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reports centered around the fact that they also had McCarthy equally highly rated, if not higher rated than Maye, thus the reasoning for trading down to a slot where they could get him.


That means Schoen and the FO had it locked down and were feeding rumors to their benefit.
They were thinking  
Amtoft : 4/25/2024 10:55 pm : link
if they got a monster haul move down... if not select QB... I heard we went 6, 70, 2025 1st and there were a couple others involved.... NE wanted another 1st!
RE: ......  
Mike from Ohio : 4/25/2024 10:56 pm : link
In comment 16489418 BrettNYG10 said:
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My guess is the Pats liked both JJ and Maye but didn't want to risk losing both by going down to six. Giants only liked Maye and McCarthy was BS.


This. The only reason you trade out of 3 when you need a QB is you think you can get one you like later. They clearly preferred Maye, but may have had a similar grade on JJM or Penix and been happy taking either with a trade down to 6 for the right price.
RE: RE: RE: The thing I'm most confused by was the fact that most of our asshat  
ThomasG : 4/25/2024 10:57 pm : link
In comment 16489528 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 16489510 ThomasG said:


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In comment 16489491 GFAN52 said:


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reports centered around the fact that they also had McCarthy equally highly rated, if not higher rated than Maye, thus the reasoning for trading down to a slot where they could get him.



What’s confusing?



That was reasoning for the potential trade deal.


Sounds like some folks were fed a line. Not their fault.
RE: Nothing wrong with Patriots keeping all options open.  
Metnut : 4/25/2024 10:58 pm : link
In comment 16489294 ThomasG said:
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Only moron GMs turn off their phones.


This is exactly what I thought.
They were ready to lose with Brisset  
larryflower37 : 4/25/2024 11:02 pm : link
And be back in the top 5 again next year with a truck load of Giants picks.
They have a bad roster and would trade back and take BPA with a bunch of picks.
They said all along they need a huge deal to move off the pick, I think they understand they will draft in the top 10 next year.
I think they were looking for someone to give them  
Rudy5757 : 4/25/2024 11:04 pm : link
An offer they couldn’t refuse and it never came. I’m glad that Schoen didn’t get raked over the coals.

If you can’t get the guy you want, don’t reach. It’s that simple. We got a great player, be happy with that.
Maybe the moles  
Jaenyg : 4/25/2024 11:08 pm : link
Were outed today?
So were the Bears and Commanders  
widmerseyebrow : 4/25/2024 11:15 pm : link
stringing teams along in trade negotiations right up to the start of the draft? If not, is that a poor showing by their GMs just selecting the best QB available?
I can imagine this scenario:  
81_Great_Dane : 4/25/2024 11:33 pm : link
The Pats liked Maye but weren’t In full-bloom love.

They discussed trades as backup contingencies in case Washington picked him.

They also were willing to consider a trade if he was available when they were on the clock but had to be bowled over to give him up. That accounts for the outrageous price they wanted for the pick. It would have been a “We’ll do whatever is best for the franchise” situation—and that meant either taking Maye or walking away with a king’s ransom in picks.
My guess is that they were trying to play the Vikes and Giants  
BH28 : 4/25/2024 11:37 pm : link
I bet they didn't want to move lower than six, so really the goal with the Vikings involvement was to try and get an offer from the Giants worth moving back to six for. ie Giants panic and overpay to move to 3.
Maye was boom or bust,  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 11:43 pm : link
Schoen would take him for a reasonable deal likely without 47 or 2025 1st. They were going to do it, but then got cold feet on missing JJM at 6. That's my guess.
RE: The thing I'm most confused by was the fact that most of our asshat  
DefenseWins : 4/26/2024 4:01 am : link
In comment 16489491 GFAN52 said:
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reports centered around the fact that they also had McCarthy equally highly rated, if not higher rated than Maye, thus the reasoning for trading down to a slot where they could get him.


It is possible that asshats are people who on occasion may provide real information for things of lesser importance to establish credibility, but in situations like this are simply providing a smoke screen.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 8:38 am : link
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
I won’t be arguing every point in my mentions this morning. I promise.
Day 2 resolution.
I’ll just say this: if the Patriots wanted to trade the pick, the Giants would’ve traded for the pick and selected Drake Maye.
A deal didn’t get done, but I don’t believe it was because the Giants weren’t aggressive enough. You like a player, you go for it, and they did.
Now you put the pressure on yourselves to come up with the next plan. Keep building.
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