They clearly were talking to the Giants and Vikings about trading down. That was confirmed by numerous national and local reporters, including up until when the pick was made.
Incidentally, it's also clear the Giants and McCarthy was a smokescreen.
Why would the QB-desperate Patriots even consider moving Maye?
the giants didnt budge hence the pick...
i mean... its one of those things if someone blows you away.... then you do it
Maye
Nabers
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Not selecting him and not being interested both dont need to be true.
Different situation. You generally don't mess around with the QB position. You either believe in the guy or you don't, especially at #3.
They recognize that he has some probability of being great/good/mediocre and they weighed those outcomes against the value they were being offered
Like any GM really does that??!?!
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We clearly wanted Maye. JJ was a smokescreen. Not sure how the deal with NE was on and then off again, but once they took Maye, there was no reason to trade up with AZ.
This is consistent with Schoen's history of targeting specific players and not position groups.
The big winner is Daniel Jones!
They recognize that he has some probability of being great/good/mediocre and they weighed those outcomes against the value they were being offered
^This.
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Only moron GMs turn off their phones.
Different situation. You generally don't mess around with the QB position. You either believe in the guy or you don't, especially at #3.
What’s mess around? The Pats controlled the situation. Pressured everybody to bring the offers. Analyzed the offers and chose the best option.
If your phone is off, then you will never know.
Has that happened before?
If you look at their ask they put out in media reports, NE said they were looking for three #1s minimum.
Has that happened before?
They were shopping the slot. They obviously were examining some degree of optionality with more than just one QB.
Probably this afternoon, Giants and Vikes made final offers and when it wasn't good enough, the Pats took Maye. I am believing that the three 1st rounders was real - or maybe more. It was a stupid high ask, especially for the Giants.
What’s confusing?
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If you need a QB. And you take a QB at #3. Are you shopping him before you take him?
Has that happened before?
They were shopping the slot. They obviously were examining some degree of optionality with more than just one QB.
I think it was smart on their part. It's clear they liked Maye but they know that their roster is in shambles and they are going to need a lot of help roster wise.
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reports centered around the fact that they also had McCarthy equally highly rated, if not higher rated than Maye, thus the reasoning for trading down to a slot where they could get him.
What’s confusing?
That was reasoning for the potential trade deal.
That means Schoen and the FO had it locked down and were feeding rumors to their benefit.
This. The only reason you trade out of 3 when you need a QB is you think you can get one you like later. They clearly preferred Maye, but may have had a similar grade on JJM or Penix and been happy taking either with a trade down to 6 for the right price.
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reports centered around the fact that they also had McCarthy equally highly rated, if not higher rated than Maye, thus the reasoning for trading down to a slot where they could get him.
What’s confusing?
That was reasoning for the potential trade deal.
Sounds like some folks were fed a line. Not their fault.
This is exactly what I thought.
They have a bad roster and would trade back and take BPA with a bunch of picks.
They said all along they need a huge deal to move off the pick, I think they understand they will draft in the top 10 next year.
If you can’t get the guy you want, don’t reach. It’s that simple. We got a great player, be happy with that.
They discussed trades as backup contingencies in case Washington picked him.
They also were willing to consider a trade if he was available when they were on the clock but had to be bowled over to give him up. That accounts for the outrageous price they wanted for the pick. It would have been a “We’ll do whatever is best for the franchise” situation—and that meant either taking Maye or walking away with a king’s ransom in picks.
It is possible that asshats are people who on occasion may provide real information for things of lesser importance to establish credibility, but in situations like this are simply providing a smoke screen.
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I won’t be arguing every point in my mentions this morning. I promise.
Day 2 resolution.
I’ll just say this: if the Patriots wanted to trade the pick, the Giants would’ve traded for the pick and selected Drake Maye.
A deal didn’t get done, but I don’t believe it was because the Giants weren’t aggressive enough. You like a player, you go for it, and they did.
Now you put the pressure on yourselves to come up with the next plan. Keep building.