I know many here are disappointed with no QB and watching 6 go in the top 12 picks, that's a historic run on QBs that hasn't been seen sense the hall of fame class of 1983.
Nevertheless, We owe DJ 70 million minimum over the next 2 years. We couldn't utilize the rookie qb contract like that. They obviously weren't fully on love with Maye or they would have traded the farm for him, that was smart. Obviously Schdabs didn't believe in JJM. If he can't fix his throwing motion to improve accuracy and touch on the deeper throws, then he will never be special. Penix needs a good to great o line and injury history added, not a fit here. Nix was absolutely not a fit in Daboll's system as he thrives on quick hitting, timing and rhythm based offense.
Nabers' tape is as good as you'll find. His ceiling is truly that of a top 5 receiver in the NFL. He could be like a hybrid factory made prototype for Daboll's offense. He projects to potentially be a hybrid of the best of Stephon Diggs, DJ Moore and OBJ. His quickness and acceleration is parallel to Tyreek Hill. His hands are massive and he receives the ball like Hakeem Nicks with similar tenacity and efficiciency in his RAC ability. He's a classic Z receiver able attack and score from anywhere in the formation and on the field. I believe in terms of his tape he was one of the very best players in the draft at a position of utmost value.
Next years QB class is not as bad as it's made out to be. Jaxon Dart, Cam Ward, Shedeur Sanders, Quinn Ewers, Carson Beck and Riley Leonard are all promising. We will see how they do, but my early favorites are Ward and Dart. In 2025 or 2026 we could make full use of the QB contract which is a true the secret sauce to success in today's NFL.
DJ must not be as injured as we think and Lock played very well at the end of last year. Lock fits Daboll's offense very well too and he wasn't a bad prospect not too long ago himself. DJ hasn't ever had good receivers or a good offensive line--I know excuses excuses--but it's true. If the offensive line is much improved and Nabers plays like OBJ did out the gate, we all might not feel so bad about this pick down the road. We got one of the top 5 talents in the draft, he was likely the 2nd or 3rd rated player on our entire board.
Blessings and happy draft to everyone!
But it will be disappointing if the QB guru never tries to get a new young QB and develops him. Taking a chance is what many are griping about, and I agree.
Nice work Mr Schoen !!!
Why is that a bad thing. If they had the conviction you do what you gotta do... but If you don't taking Nabers at 6, arguably the best player in the draft with MHJ and keeping all of your needed picks intact is not exactly a horrible strategy.
But it will be disappointing if the QB guru never tries to get a new young QB and develops him. Taking a chance is what many are griping about, and I agree.
I think both guys are toast after 2024. I know for sure I don’t want them here QB shopping in 2025. That’s dangerous.
We need to be absolutely 100% sure that he can't be a decent QB under any circumstance. Remarkably, there is a higher burden of proof to send a man to prison for life than to replace a Giants QB
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They get such tunnel vision with these QBs
Why is that a bad thing. If they had the conviction you do what you gotta do... but If you don't taking Nabers at 6, arguably the best player in the draft with MHJ and keeping all of your needed picks intact is not exactly a horrible strategy.
They obviously didn't have full conviction in him and for good reason imo.
I 100% won't. I'm a NYG fan after all I bleed blue.
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They get such tunnel vision with these QBs
Why is that a bad thing. If they had the conviction you do what you gotta do... but If you don't taking Nabers at 6, arguably the best player in the draft with MHJ and keeping all of your needed picks intact is not exactly a horrible strategy.
They obviously didn't have full conviction in him and for good reason imo.
“obviously the Jets know something that we don’t”.
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They get such tunnel vision with these QBs
Why is that a bad thing. If they had the conviction you do what you gotta do... but If you don't taking Nabers at 6, arguably the best player in the draft with MHJ and keeping all of your needed picks intact is not exactly a horrible strategy.
They obviously didn't have full conviction in him and for good reason imo.
Agreed. And even though I soured on Daboll a bit last year, I still believe in his ability to assess the QB position.
He has 0 excuses now.
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But Penix the rookie needs a great Oline to succeed? That must mean the 6th year 40 million a year QB can succeed with a lesser oline and surrounding talent right? Isn’t that part of being paid as the 10th highest paid player in the league?
He has 0 excuses now.
Don’t worry they’ll find some.
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But Penix the rookie needs a great Oline to succeed? That must mean the 6th year 40 million a year QB can succeed with a lesser oline and surrounding talent right? Isn’t that part of being paid as the 10th highest paid player in the league?
He has 0 excuses now.
Heard that one before
Lol I see that, I wasn't making excuses though just saying we have never seen him with even an average oline and receiver group. I'm all in on a new QB still. There will be a lot less competition next year too after 6 QBs went rd1 this year. I love Jaxon Dart.
Injuries, ok, we need an insurance policy. But how we gonna pay 2 first round QBs? Not to mention the high bust rate.
Jones did not get outplayed. He played without AT, SCHMITZ, Barkley, Waller and Wandale R was still working back from his
injury. Also Devito played all horrible teams except Green Bay throwing all of 158 yards
We need to be absolutely 100% sure that he can't be a decent QB under any circumstance. Remarkably, there is a higher burden of proof to send a man to prison for life than to replace a Giants QB
Reaching for a QB at 6 is what got us into this mess. I don’t think reaching for another one at 6 is the answer.
Because it's a weak QB class.
We have to zig when people zag.
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I don't expect us to be good, but 6 is still a pretty high pick. It takes a combo of being really bad and some luck to be in the top 5. Possible, but not likely IMO
This QB class was deep. Will they all be good? No. But some will. Are there going to be 6 guys who are draftable in the 1st round all the time? No.
So you combine those things I'd be surprised if it we land in more fertile ground anytime soon.
At this point, I don’t see how this plays out differently than 2018 Barkley.
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Because it's a weak QB class.
We have to zig when people zag.
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It's not weak, it's not historic like this year. It will be middle of the road imo.
I don't expect us to be good, but 6 is still a pretty high pick. It takes a combo of being really bad and some luck to be in the top 5. Possible, but not likely IMO
This QB class was deep. Will they all be good? No. But some will. Are there going to be 6 guys who are draftable in the 1st round all the time? No.
So you combine those things I'd be surprised if it we land in more fertile ground anytime soon.
Well, I see a 6-7 win season. Likely top 10 to top 5. There won't be nearly as much competition for QB. Remember the Bills went from pick 22 all the way up to 7 for Allen. The Rams, Seahawks, Raiders, Buccaneers all will pick behind us. The Cowboys will too. What other qb needy teams do you see picking ahead of us?
Because they want to move on from Daniel Jones? Hence them trying to trade up to 3 for Drake Maye.
At this point, I don’t see how this plays out differently than 2018 Barkley.
I realize this. I also realize trading the farm for a boom or bust qb, drafting a guy that needs a great ol whom had 2 acl tears on the same knee and Two season ending knee injuries, or drafting a guy with his biggest weakness being the specific area our coach emphasizes in passes over 20 yards with touch might have been dumb when you have a truly elite player at a position of dire need and top value there for the taking.
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to draft a QB that this in the next 5 years.
I don't expect us to be good, but 6 is still a pretty high pick. It takes a combo of being really bad and some luck to be in the top 5. Possible, but not likely IMO
This QB class was deep. Will they all be good? No. But some will. Are there going to be 6 guys who are draftable in the 1st round all the time? No.
So you combine those things I'd be surprised if it we land in more fertile ground anytime soon.
Well, I see a 6-7 win season. Likely top 10 to top 5. There won't be nearly as much competition for QB. Remember the Bills went from pick 22 all the way up to 7 for Allen. The Rams, Seahawks, Raiders, Buccaneers all will pick behind us. The Cowboys will too. What other qb needy teams do you see picking ahead of us?
Cautionary tale on targeting a trade up for qb played out in front of us. If it was so easy, the Giants would have done it this year.
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to draft a QB that this in the next 5 years.
I don't expect us to be good, but 6 is still a pretty high pick. It takes a combo of being really bad and some luck to be in the top 5. Possible, but not likely IMO
This QB class was deep. Will they all be good? No. But some will. Are there going to be 6 guys who are draftable in the 1st round all the time? No.
So you combine those things I'd be surprised if it we land in more fertile ground anytime soon.
Well, I see a 6-7 win season. Likely top 10 to top 5. There won't be nearly as much competition for QB. Remember the Bills went from pick 22 all the way up to 7 for Allen. The Rams, Seahawks, Raiders, Buccaneers all will pick behind us. The Cowboys will too. What other qb needy teams do you see picking ahead of us?
Cautionary tale on targeting a trade up for qb played out in front of us. If it was so easy, the Giants would have done it this year.
Not trading a king's ransom for Maye was a great move to me. I think he busts personally. Out of these 6, only 2 or 3 will likely end up as franchise QBs. JJM and Maye could easily be some of the group outside that 2 or 3, Penix too.
Correctly so because the Giants chances of becoming a legitimately good team are still contingent on having a high pick in a future draft and that pick aligning with QB talent.
The draft is a year from now. There is a full season of football between now and then. Hence, the cliff.
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No doubt. But the sooner some of you accept that Jones is an NFL backup the sooner you’ll realize how far away this team is from truly competing. That’s not to suggest the Giants should reach for a qb at 6, just to understand that this team is likely not competing for a division title anytime before 2027, which is likely the time frame the next Giants first round qb settles in with a new front office and head coach.
At this point, I don’t see how this plays out differently than 2018 Barkley.
I realize this. I also realize trading the farm for a boom or bust qb, drafting a guy that needs a great ol whom had 2 acl tears on the same knee and Two season ending knee injuries, or drafting a guy with his biggest weakness being the specific area our coach emphasizes in passes over 20 yards with touch might have been dumb when you have a truly elite player at a position of dire need and top value there for the taking.
And actually I like the pick. It’s just hard to get excited with Jones running it back under center. We saw this guy missed wide open receivers year after year because he doesn’t see the field.
What a stupid fucking comment.
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No doubt. But the sooner some of you accept that Jones is an NFL backup the sooner you’ll realize how far away this team is from truly competing. That’s not to suggest the Giants should reach for a qb at 6, just to understand that this team is likely not competing for a division title anytime before 2027, which is likely the time frame the next Giants first round qb settles in with a new front office and head coach.
At this point, I don’t see how this plays out differently than 2018 Barkley.
I realize this. I also realize trading the farm for a boom or bust qb, drafting a guy that needs a great ol whom had 2 acl tears on the same knee and Two season ending knee injuries, or drafting a guy with his biggest weakness being the specific area our coach emphasizes in passes over 20 yards with touch might have been dumb when you have a truly elite player at a position of dire need and top value there for the taking.
And actually I like the pick. It’s just hard to get excited with Jones running it back under center. We saw this guy missed wide open receivers year after year because he doesn’t see the field.
Yeah, rebuilds take several years. Ideally we have a good roster and DJ fully or almost fully off the books when it's our time for a QB. Like I said I really love Jaxon Dart for 2025. And we aren't going to have much competition for QB. There are several other promising QBs for next year too. It is truly not a weak or bad class. This one wax just historic.
If The Giants aren’t careful they’re actually gonna have a pretty good fucking NFL roster, questions at QB sure but there are worse places you can be.
The wide receiver core looks pretty damn good. The linebackers look great. The secondary has some pretty good talent. if the olinecan finally come together this year, just a little bit, this roster ain’t half bad.
Reminder this is year three we’re going into with Jones and this regime. Jones has had one good season and one bad season. Thinking another bad year here from jones won’t matter is childish nonsense. Just because they didn’t draft QB six doesn’t mean they’re madly in love with jones. They didn’t draft a cornerback at six. Does that mean they’re madly in love with the guy starting opposite side Banks ? of course not.
They couldn’t pass up a pro bowl caliber talent at wide receiver. I can’t blame them.
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Because they want to move on from Daniel Jones? Hence them trying to trade up to 3 for Drake Maye.
They may apply the same thought process next year too: "The only QB we'll consider is _______, and if someone else takes him then screw it, we're drafting a RB."
If The Giants aren’t careful they’re actually gonna have a pretty good fucking NFL roster, questions at QB sure but there are worse places you can be.
The wide receiver core looks pretty damn good. The linebackers look great. The secondary has some pretty good talent. if the olinecan finally come together this year, just a little bit, this roster ain’t half bad.
Reminder this is year three we’re going into with Jones and this regime. Jones has had one good season and one bad season. Thinking another bad year here from jones won’t matter is childish nonsense. Just because they didn’t draft QB six doesn’t mean they’re madly in love with jones. They didn’t draft a cornerback at six. Does that mean they’re madly in love with the guy starting opposite side Banks ? of course not.
They couldn’t pass up a pro bowl caliber talent at wide receiver. I can’t blame them.
+1
If The Giants aren’t careful they’re actually gonna have a pretty good fucking NFL roster, questions at QB sure but there are worse places you can be.
The wide receiver core looks pretty damn good. The linebackers look great. The secondary has some pretty good talent. if the olinecan finally come together this year, just a little bit, this roster ain’t half bad.
Reminder this is year three we’re going into with Jones and this regime. Jones has had one good season and one bad season. Thinking another bad year here from jones won’t matter is childish nonsense. Just because they didn’t draft QB six doesn’t mean they’re madly in love with jones. They didn’t draft a cornerback at six. Does that mean they’re madly in love with the guy starting opposite side Banks ? of course not.
They couldn’t pass up a pro bowl caliber talent at wide receiver. I can’t blame them.
You must be grinning ear to ear tonight that your guy gets another stay of execution.
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Because they want to move on from Daniel Jones? Hence them trying to trade up to 3 for Drake Maye.
They may apply the same thought process next year too: "The only QB we'll consider is _______, and if someone else takes him then screw it, we're drafting a RB."
Seattle, LV, LAR, TB, PIT, NYJ, NO, Dallas are the only potential qb needy teams I can think of for next year. I see them all picking a ways behind us next year. QB value and need could align beautifully for our pick next year.
At this point, I don’t see how this plays out differently than 2018 Barkley.
Because 2018 Barkley was a short term player. Nabers will be here for the next decade.
What do you think of Jordan Travis, QB, FSU? He may be there for a round 4/5 picking? I love that kid….give him a year to fully recover and take it all in. Love his athleticism. What are your thoughts?