Sy's Top Rated Players For Day 2

are some really good players still there.

we still have our 2nd and 3rd round picks!!!!

Tiki will be happy.

I would not be opposed to Benson also

Sainristil or Cooper

Some good ones out there still.

we had to give up the higher of our 2s to Carolina for Burns.

Unless Newton somehow lasts…

it has been either WR, DT, or CB for me in the 2nd. Obviously, they may be out on WR. If someone like Jackson Powers-Johnson is available, that makes a ton of sense too.

With our new DC, he loves playing nickel. DeJean could be our slot nickel.

In comment 16489879 robbieballs2003 said:

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it has been either WR, DT, or CB for me in the 2nd. Obviously, they may be out on WR. If someone like Jackson Powers-Johnson is available, that makes a ton of sense too.

I don't think he lasts to 47 unless they trade up for him but I would be thrilled to get him

In comment 16489885 larryflower37 said:

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In comment 16489879 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: it has been either WR, DT, or CB for me in the 2nd. Obviously, they may be out on WR. If someone like Jackson Powers-Johnson is available, that makes a ton of sense too. I don't think he lasts to 47 unless they trade up for him but I would be thrilled to get him

I agree. Odds are he'll be gone but to have a backup plan at C if JMS doesn't work out would be fantastic.

In comment 16489869 Mr. Nickels said:

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we had to give up the higher of our 2s to Carolina for Burns.

Cant get over that. Dang greedy of them not to take the 47

would also be happy with a DL (Newton if he passes medical and Kris Jenkins).

In comment 16489879 robbieballs2003 said:

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it has been either WR, DT, or CB for me in the 2nd. Obviously, they may be out on WR. If someone like Jackson Powers-Johnson is available, that makes a ton of sense too.

I honestly wouldn't mind if they traded up a bit to grab a TOP guy in a Position of Need, earlier.

In comment 16489883 robbieballs2003 said:

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With our new DC, he loves playing nickel. DeJean could be our slot nickel.

He would be awesome there. Pseudo nickel and safety. Plus he can return. I doubt he lasts though.

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In comment 16489883 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: With our new DC, he loves playing nickel. DeJean could be our slot nickel. He would be awesome there. Pseudo nickel and safety. Plus he can return. I doubt he lasts though.

If he made it to the 37-39 range I would consider moving up for him.

In comment 16489878 shocktheworld said:

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Unless Newton somehow lasts…

Yes, agree. Need to get Melton.

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DT Newton
S Nubin
OG Beebe

So CB and S seem most likely

In comment 16489933 FranknWeezer said:

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DT Newton S Nubin OG Beebe

Agree. 1. Newton, 2. Max Melton/Kool Aid, or 3. Tyler Nubin.

Trey Benson or Sinnott make some sense.

or Benson

Didn’t get taken in round 1. Assuming no trade up, Melton, Nubin, Sinnott are players I would look out.

Trade with SF for Aiyuk. Got feeling there.

CB
DT
more picks

Buffalo/NE/Lac WR needy ahead of us helps.

guys on both lists


1.Trey Benson, RB Florida St
12.Audric Estime, RB Notre Dame (LOCAL)

12.Ben Sinnott, TE Kansas St
13.Theo Johnson, TE Penn St (LOCAL).
16. Cooper Beebe, OG Kansas St
18. Patrick Paul, OT Houston
24. Jer'Zhan (Johnny) Newton, DT Illi
28. Max Melton, CB Rutgers (LOCAL)

29. Andru Phillips, CB Kentucky

31. Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB Alabama
33. Cam Hart, CB Notre Dame
34. Jayden Hicks, S Washington St
35. Tyler Nubin, S Minnesota

who painstakenly organizes Sy's data and presents it to us so well. It's another immense value of reading BBI every day. Thank you for all you do.

I'd be pleased to choose any of these O or D linemen at 47:

86 1 G/C Powers-Johnson Jackson 6’3" 328 Oregon
83 1 DT Orhorhoro Ruke 6’4" 294 Clemson
82 2 DT Newton Jer’Zhan 6’3" 296 Illinois
80 8 OT Suamataia Kingsley 6’5" 326 BYU
80 4 G/C Frazier Zach 6’3" 313 West Virginia
79 4 DT Fiske Braden 6’4" 292 Florida S

round2 - 86 1 G/C Powers-Johnson Jackson 6’3" 328 Oregon
round3 - 83 1 DT Orhorhoro Ruke 6’4" 294 Clemson

and Fiske in 3 would round out the defense nicely

Johnny Newton or Kool Aid McKistry. Newton would make out D-Line devastating, and McKistry could start opposite Banks.

with many in round 2/maybe round 3 grade area.

I would guess it's the CB.

And not a QB to be found

DT or a CB at 47. Whichever is not taken will likely be the target area at 70 - IMHO.

in around 3. Weird guess vibe with Tiki calling the picks today in Detroit.

A bit add more picks this year.

CB and DT next two rounds. Offense rest of the way.

In comment 16490154 jvm52106 said:

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A bit add more picks this year.

Risky. The draft talent starts really declining in Round 4.

gets into 38-40 range.

Melton, McKinstry, DeJean, Sanistril , Newton....

We only brought in McKinstry and Melton of that group but NYG seems to like those Alabama DBs early round 2.

They can end up with one of Newton, Ruke, Kool-Aid or Melton. All talents at positions of need who had near first round grades, particularly Kool-Aid.

Not sure where they go, but I want one of these guys to play beside Dexter Lawrence. You keep running him out there playing 99% of the snaps and this will be the last dominant year he'll have...

all in favor of a defensive player at 47. But I would think long and hard if Jackson Powers Johnson dropped to us. While JMS can't be judged to harshly for his rookie season due to injury and God awful guard play on both sides, he shouldn't automatically be handed the starting job either

Johnson or Sinnott

Then rb in round 3

and I hope that is going to be on the lines with a preference for a DT/DE.

Get us pick 33 from schoen's buddy Beane??

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Like to see them trade back and get a few more swings

In comment 16489883 robbieballs2003 said:

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With our new DC, he loves playing nickel. DeJean could be our slot nickel.

Do not see him lasting. He ecstatic if he did. Melton would be perfect. Schiano has put a lot of solid DBs Into the NFL. Kid will make the transition well.

Ruke Orhorhoro, Trey Benson, Max Melton. (I am assuming that Newton and DeJean are picked before #47.)

I agree the Giants should explore trading down starting in the third round, but not if the value at their pick is too great to pass up. One or two extra day three picks would be helpful, and Schoen has gotten some decent players (Bellinger, Belton, McFadden) in the fourth through seventh rounds.

Please. Clemson homer here.

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Get us pick 33 from schoen's buddy Beane??

No way. But I am not adverse to shopping Slayton and/or Ojulari to try and move up.

DT, CB, RB.

Value and need seem to meet up.

Melton, Benson, Newton

I would actually lean toward DT, DB day 2 and come back on day 3 with Estime.

Orhorhoro, Newton and Fiske - I think one of these guys would really make our DL a problem for opponents
Powers-Johnson or Frazier - both look like 10 year starters for me
Benson - another weapon would be great, but I think there's other guys you can get later too
DeJean will almost certainly be gone, but would also love Bullard or Nubin
Melton and McKinstry

there's a good chance all those guys are gone by 47, but I really hope one of them falls to us.

Buffalo. they have a grouping of 4 5th rounders from 141- 163 along with 128 in the 4th, that would make a lot of sense to part with in a move up.

Not earth shattering but I think late 4 to early 5 will be a good place to find RB and S options and good spot for an extra pick

Interesting that SF spend their only 1st round picked on yet another WR. Something should happen today with Aiyuk/Samuel.

Defensive tackle or cornerback

In comment 16490418 stoneman said:

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Interesting that SF spend their only 1st round picked on yet another WR. Something should happen today with Aiyuk/Samuel.

Good point.

47. T.J. Tampa, CB, Iowa State
70. Trey Benson, RB, Florida State

There are 9 total of CBs, S and and DTs with grades of 81 and higher that would make sense.
1 G (86)

I’m hopeful we will get a useful player
RB would be early, but if they really like him as a guy to be an immediate (rotational) starter in this offense? I’d get behind that.

1) Trade up for a guy they want
or
2) Trade down in the 2nd to get some 2025 picks

In comment 16489869 Mr. Nickels said:

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we had to give up the higher of our 2s to Carolina for Burns.

It’s not good … but definitely not bad either. No one left on the board can carry Burns’ jock.

In comment 16490418 stoneman said:

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Interesting that SF spend their only 1st round picked on yet another WR. Something should happen today with Aiyuk/Samuel.

I am thinking New England has to be one of the favorites to trade for one of those guys -- especially with their early 2nd round pick

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And not a QB to be found

Talk to us 4 years when 4/5 of the 6 QB’s bust

Fiske (Fl State), or Kris Jenkins at DT might make sense

In comment 16490054 Gregorio said:

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who painstakenly organizes Sy's data and presents it to us so well. It's another immense value of reading BBI every day. Thank you for all you do. I'd be pleased to choose any of these O or D linemen at 47: 86 1 G/C Powers-Johnson Jackson 6’3" 328 Oregon 83 1 DT Orhorhoro Ruke 6’4" 294 Clemson 82 2 DT Newton Jer’Zhan 6’3" 296 Illinois 80 8 OT Suamataia Kingsley 6’5" 326 BYU 80 4 G/C Frazier Zach 6’3" 313 West Virginia 79 4 DT Fiske Braden 6’4" 292 Florida S

Yup, Ruke Orhorhoro would look pretty good next to Sexy Dex.

In comment 16489853 Eric from BBI said:

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are some really good players still there.

Christian Haynes OG from UCONN is still there. #1 rated guard that's still available. I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants trade up to get him.

would be great. After that I'm still seeing a lot of OL and DL I like.

I don't care that we signed 5 veteran OL, keep shoring up the trenches until we're pushing around Philly/Dallas and not vice versa.

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make a strength a strength. Let's see how Jayden Daniels looks behind a rebuilt bobby Johnson O line.

On the top secondary players that none of them are 6 feet tall. It would be nice to get a taller DB in the room for those bigger receivers. Could be a reason to look at another position here

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In comment 16490125 HardTruth said: Quote: And not a QB to be found Talk to us 4 years when 4/5 of the 6 QB’s bust

There are 5+ WRs on a team and 1 QB. How strange there are more WRs in the draft

Edgerrin cooper and benson

In comment 16490824 Ned In Atlanta said:

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make a strength a strength. Let's see how Jayden Daniels looks behind a rebuilt bobby Johnson O line.

I'm not saying DT at all costs here but I agree wthat getting another presence on the interior DL could make our front 4/5 legit. I'm a big fan of Fiske but there are multiple DTs that could fit in this system.

as the barometer, but how is Braden Fiske not one of the top choices here! He's the perfect DT for this team right now and adds another pass rusher up the middle.

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as the barometer, but how is Braden Fiske not one of the top choices here! He's the perfect DT for this team right now and adds another pass rusher up the middle.

He is. Grades have many different components to them. Fiske is smaller with smaller arms that is a huge negative for a lot of teams. Still, I love him. But that is why his grade is lower but he still has a second round grade.

In comment 16490877 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 16490869 Everyone Relax said: Quote: as the barometer, but how is Braden Fiske not one of the top choices here! He's the perfect DT for this team right now and adds another pass rusher up the middle. He is. Grades have many different components to them. Fiske is smaller with smaller arms that is a huge negative for a lot of teams. Still, I love him. But that is why his grade is lower but he still has a second round grade.

I see we overlapped with our posts for him. A guy with his athleticism and his absolute love of football (and rave reviews as a teammate) make this a very desirable pick if hes there at 47

Grab two of them today.

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Grab two of them today.

Two at those positions to go along with Nabers and Burns sounds good to me.

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In comment 16490272 DCPollaro said: Quote: Get us pick 33 from schoen's buddy Beane?? No way. But I am not adverse to shopping Slayton and/or Ojulari to try and move up.

I'd trade #47, Slayton and a '25(5th?) pick to LAC for #37 if Powers is there

we still had #37.
About 5 guys in the top 12 I’d like us to have, especially the CBs.

There's any trade up, it is for Cooper Dejean. I feel like he'd thrive in Bowen's defense.

Adonai is Hebrew for "God" and clearly, the Giants need God's help this season.

I'm not big on DT Ruke Orhorhoro. His name sounds like somebody coughing up phlegm. At 294 pounds, that's a lot of phlegm.

I would love another legitimate receiver.

Strengthen strengths, especially at premium positions.

Sy’s top 3 out of 4 DTs are still available. Would love that in round 2.

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At every position on this list (aside maybe WR, but an argument can be made that we’re not done there yet either). I would be happy with basically any two of the people on this list, which just goes to show how crappy our roster is right now.

I wonder if most team's agree with Sy's assessment that DeJean projects more to safety rather than corner, and that could be why he dropped out of round 1.

If teams look at him as a safety, positional value probably says you wait until round 2 to grab him.

In comment 16491001 Marty in Albany said:

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Adonai is Hebrew for "God" and clearly, the Giants need God's help this season. I'm not big on DT Ruke Orhorhoro. His name sounds like somebody coughing up phlegm. At 294 pounds, that's a lot of phlegm.

You do realize for BBI thats actually a better reason that many give? Sy level IMO Bravo

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In comment 16491001 Marty in Albany said: Quote: Adonai is Hebrew for "God" and clearly, the Giants need God's help this season. I'm not big on DT Ruke Orhorhoro. His name sounds like somebody coughing up phlegm. At 294 pounds, that's a lot of phlegm. You do realize for BBI thats actually a better reason that many give? Sy level IMO Bravo

His name actually sounds like a dog barking, which I love.

The great thing about 14 players on offense going in the first 14 picks is the number of DBs who likely had first round grades that got pushed out of the first round.

...and Jordan Travis at #70.

as a cherry on top of the OL fortification, but this team needs corner help too. Either position would be great at 47.

In comment 16491246 Brown_Hornet said:

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...and Jordan Travis at #70.

Way too high for Jordan Travis. He'll be there on day 3

In comment 16491044 ryanmkeane said:

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Sy’s top 3 out of 4 DTs are still available. Would love that in round 2.

I’m sort of there as well, DT/CB look optimal.

This guy would really bring this defense to the next level

Excellent range, tackler and blitzer. Excellent at coverage. With him and Okereke each in charge of half the field in the box / flat this front 7 would be killer.

Imagine a better version of okereke playing next to okereke.

This guy is my dream in round 2

I think teams like to go elsewhere in the top half of the 2nd.

Cooper DeJean
Johnny Newton
Kool-Aid McKinstry
Max Melton
Ennis Rakestraw Jr
TJ Tampa
Andru Phillips
Jackson Powers Johnson
Jaden Hicks
Kamari Lassiter
Javon Bullard
Jonathon Brooks
DJ James
Trey Benson
Blake Corum

Made a post the other day about running Sys 24 grades and comparing the previous drafts. Then where guys were selected vs his grades. In simplicity, it takes into affect Sys grades, positional value, where they got picked, and the drft value chart.

Putting it all together with Sys 24 grades. This is the "best draft value" of Sys picks of who is left for round



24 players are worthy of the 47th overall pick, according to Sy's grades and the system. Three are WR, so I will remove them.

That leaves us with 21 players with 15 picks to go. Meaning we could easily drop several slots and still get a worthy player and pick up a later pick.

Three players, all at a position of need, JUMP OUT. If they are there, you can't trade down - you must take them
- G/C Powers-Johnson, DT Orhorhoro (plus, it's fun to say), and DB Cooper DeJean

Positions available that prvide 'value" at 47
1 OL, 2 DT, 7 S, 7 CB, 2 RB, 2 Edge.

Unless there is a run on S/CB's - I could see us trading down and selecting the best remaining one.

In comment 16491316 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 16491246 Brown_Hornet said: Quote: ...and Jordan Travis at #70. Way too high for Jordan Travis. He'll be there on day 3

He might be.
But, he might not.
RD3 has not been a sweet spot for NY and Travis is worthy of a shot.

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In comment 16491316 Strahan91 said: Quote: In comment 16491246 Brown_Hornet said: Quote: ...and Jordan Travis at #70. Way too high for Jordan Travis. He'll be there on day 3 He might be. But, he might not. RD3 has not been a sweet spot for NY and Travis is worthy of a shot.

I'd bet a lot of money he's available in the 4th/5th/6th. I think the only QB who'll get drafted today is Rattler

Would be ideal for what we need at RB.

especially if Waller retires.

In comment 16491001 Marty in Albany said:

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Adonai is Hebrew for "God" and clearly, the Giants need God's help this season. I'm not big on DT Ruke Orhorhoro. His name sounds like somebody coughing up phlegm. At 294 pounds, that's a lot of phlegm.

There is something funny going on regarding Mitchell and is has dropped like a rock on teams boards. Rumors about him not taking care of his diabetes (or something like that).

In comment 16491448 bklynGman said:

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Would be ideal for what we need at RB.

I think they’d take Benson if he was there in the 3rd. Don’t think in the 2nd though unless they moved down later in the round

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especially if Waller retires.

They are more than fine at tight end. Bellinger and the two guys we signed is more than enough

can't have too many pass rushers. He has the size to be interior rusher on passing downs

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can't have too many pass rushers. He has the size to be interior rusher on passing downs

You mean the guy the Rams took at 19 overall?

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In comment 16491579 kelly said: Quote: can't have too many pass rushers. He has the size to be interior rusher on passing downs You mean the guy the Rams took at 19 overall?

Yes him, LOL. He'd be great for us at 47

There are still so many quality DL and CB options available....and some really good OL options as well.


Not including WRs or O-Linemen, my top-11 are:


1) DT Johnny Newton - Illinois
2) CB/S Cooper DeJean - Iowa
3) CB Kool-Aid McKinstry - Alabama
4) CB Ennis Rakestraw Jr. - Missouri
5) DT Kris Jenkins Jr. - Michigan
6) LB Edgerrin Cooper - Texas A&M
7) DT Braden Fiske - Florida State
8) DT Ruke O - Clemson
9) LB Payton Wilson - NC State
10) CB Max Melton - Rutgers
11) CB Mikey Sainristil - Michigan

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In comment 16491454 Essex said: Quote: especially if Waller retires. They are more than fine at tight end. Bellinger and the two guys we signed is more than enough

The TE position is addition by subtraction without Waller - he was invisible last year.

My best guess is CB at #47.

In comment 16491706 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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Size may knock him off Giants board, but love Sainristil.

Can build up a potential elite Defense at some point this year or next if that DL hits.

Also I'd love CB and OL.

**Please resist desire to take RB in Day 2 if you can get DL/CB/OL near value.

In comment 16491013 Danny Kanell said:

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I would love another legitimate receiver. Strengthen strengths, especially at premium positions.

Plus, you know more weapons for Jones.