If the rumors of 6, 47 and the 1st pick in 2025 was true, it was a more than fair offer for Maye. IMO, too much for that player, a high ceiling, lower floor prospect for the QB and not an exact Josh Allen clone.
Besides, we knew...the possibility of the Giants could be blocked out of their QB. I am still confused by NE....as their behavior makes no sense...I want to trade out/ I am all in for this QB behavior seems dysfunctional....I am sure all 6 QBs taken will not be great NFL QBs.
It also is a clear indication that Jones with his injuries, his poor play and contract is replaceable and it is still likely on a very short leash. For all those Jones haters, he is on notice.
I think it was clear from his weird press conference, he knows he must step up in a big way.
Is Jones garbage...no. he did lead the Giants into the playoffs and a playoff win....you might want to forget and discount it.........unfortunately, his weakness "processing clock" tied with a bad OL...is not a great mix. Both must get better, period.
Drew Lock has all the tools. He had some nice moments last year. Has the light turned on? I hope so...He can become a good QB. He can be a legit competitor to Jones. A QB battle should occur. A Jones benching is possible...no more scholarships. I would not be surprise more QBs will be added.
How can anyone be upset with Nabers! The man plays at a different speed in the SEC. He is an elite player. Improves everyone in the WR room. Still young, but the weapons and potential is so much better.
Now, to fulfill their promise.....the QB must get it to them.
Daboll must have this offense ready. He can't assume the OL will improve...he can't accept poor QB play.
This team still has a ton of work. Schoen has a ton of work
Today is vital..... for all those, "ALL IN" for QB stop watching....as you do not have any premuim picks today and next year.
Go Giants!!!
For all the people livid they didn't get a QB: not any QB is the answer to the problem it has to be the right QB. If that player wasn't available to the Giants then you go get a premium player at a position of high value and that's what they did.
If they liked Maye enough they would have gotten him. True QB hell is trading 2 top 10 picks+ and spending 3-5 years developing another disappointing QB.
The simpel truth is: they did what they could to get Maye, it didn't work out and they just don't believe in the other QB's.
As much as I hate the prospect of watching another snap of DJ, that's just the cards we were dealt. The consolation prize is that we have a great prspect and a true WR1 to look forward too.
By the way, to all the crying about 'who is throwing him the ball': If Zach Wilson could get Garret Wilson a 1,000 yards, Jones can get Nabers a 1,000 too.
Reason 1. Shoen saying that the team wasn't one player away. They couldn't afford to empty the draft vault to move up. When the first three QBs were taken, they were satisfied with an electric WR that might make Jones look better.
Reason 2. Drew Lock. They couldn't jettison Jones contract so he wasn't going anywhere. DeVito is a practice squad/emergency QB. If they were going to draft a QB, what did they need Lock for? Would they have put Daniels/Maye/McCarthey or whoever on the practice squad? No. Would they have put Lock on the practice squad while paying him $5million? No.
-Do you trust Sean Payton's opinion on QBs?
-Do you trust Kevin O'Connell's opinion on QBs?
They are both smart offensive minds who DID like the QBs. Penix picked in the top ten!
This was a historic QB class and the Giants told us that McCarthy, Penix & Nix weren't good enough. Other teams felt they were worth top 15 picks.
We'll see.
Also have interest in Michael Pratt.
The fact that Minnesota was willing to wait until the 10th pick to swap with the Jets to get JJ McCarthy destroys most of the credibility of these pre-draft hype pundits predicting trades with every team in front of them. I guess these "analysts" are just blowing their own smoke for clicks.
The one thing that I hope did not happen.... they got spooked about 'reaching' for their third or fourth choice, and were haunted by the memory of another (actual) reach at #6, just a few years ago. Obviously I'm speculating, but hoping that the Jones pick wasn't lurking in their minds and causing them to hesitate again.
But I love Nabers and if the value wasn't there to trade down, I can't attack them for not overreaching if they didn't value one of the QBs at that pick. They certainly did their homework. We're just hostage to their ability to scout/evaluate, and the jury is still out on that.
If not, a new HC will come in and they will try again for a QB if needed (most likely) over the next couple of years.
-Do you trust Sean Payton's opinion on QBs?
-Do you trust Kevin O'Connell's opinion on QBs?
They are both smart offensive minds who DID like the QBs. Penix picked in the top ten!
This was a historic QB class and the Giants told us that McCarthy, Penix & Nix weren't good enough. Other teams felt they were worth top 15 picks.
We'll see.
Neither Minnesota nor Denver had a Malik Nabers level talent. Jury is still out on KOC as he did force out Cousins who took them to the playoffs and none of the pieces they brought in when he went down last year looked better than Mike White. We got more sustained success from Tommy Cutlets.
And I LOVE NABERS.
You also might not like this answer.....but Viking and Denver QB position is worse than the Giants...
You also might not like this answer.....but Viking and Denver QB position is worse than the Giants...
The best part of sports is that it gets proven on the field. We shall see about that now wont we?
-Do you trust Sean Payton's opinion on QBs?
-Do you trust Kevin O'Connell's opinion on QBs?
They are both smart offensive minds who DID like the QBs. Penix picked in the top ten!
This was a historic QB class and the Giants told us that McCarthy, Penix & Nix weren't good enough. Other teams felt they were worth top 15 picks.
We'll see.
Sean payton and Kevin oconnel aren't the coaches here.
It's IRRELAVENT. The line of thinking is asinine.
I am sure every coach and personal person making the selections last night know more than me.....but yet, I pretty sure not all 6 QB will be great.
Besides, I love the WR the Giants selected.
Good coaching? Nah. Mack Brown is a fantastic recruiter but a lousy coach, and his staff is nothing to write home about.
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Here's where I pushback though:
-Do you trust Sean Payton's opinion on QBs?
-Do you trust Kevin O'Connell's opinion on QBs?
They are both smart offensive minds who DID like the QBs. Penix picked in the top ten!
This was a historic QB class and the Giants told us that McCarthy, Penix & Nix weren't good enough. Other teams felt they were worth top 15 picks.
We'll see.
Sean payton and Kevin oconnel aren't the coaches here.
It's IRRELAVENT. The line of thinking is asinine.
The same Payton that traded the moon for a washed up Russ Wilson and paid him a fortune then cut him? That guy?
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about the difference between how he and Allen are viewed. It was a comment about how folks were more comfortable with Allen being raw bc he never had a QB coach. Maye meanwhile was that raw and inconsistent while having good coaching in a premier conference. It's interesting interesting distinction and possibly why they liked but didn't love.
Good coaching? Nah. Mack Brown is a fantastic recruiter but a lousy coach, and his staff is nothing to write home about.
Comparable to Wyoming? Asking in earnest.
Also have interest in Michael Pratt.
Rattler is a true wild card… total enigma; but when he’s on, he’s very very good.
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about the difference between how he and Allen are viewed. It was a comment about how folks were more comfortable with Allen being raw bc he never had a QB coach. Maye meanwhile was that raw and inconsistent while having good coaching in a premier conference. It's interesting interesting distinction and possibly why they liked but didn't love.
Good coaching? Nah. Mack Brown is a fantastic recruiter but a lousy coach, and his staff is nothing to write home about.
This is 100% fact. Mack has been toast since he got booted out of Austin.
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Here's where I pushback though:
-Do you trust Sean Payton's opinion on QBs?
-Do you trust Kevin O'Connell's opinion on QBs?
They are both smart offensive minds who DID like the QBs. Penix picked in the top ten!
This was a historic QB class and the Giants told us that McCarthy, Penix & Nix weren't good enough. Other teams felt they were worth top 15 picks.
We'll see.
Sean payton and Kevin oconnel aren't the coaches here.
It's IRRELAVENT. The line of thinking is asinine.
The same Payton that traded the moon for a washed up Russ Wilson and paid him a fortune then cut him? That guy?
No, not that guy… Wilson got traded to the Broncos a year before Payton was there