I reached out through my friend (who is tight with my source) to see what happened. Was hoping he would have heard something. Giants most definitely tried to trade up. However Mara often places limits on and how far they will go in major trades like this. When have the New York Giants ever been really aggressive moving up in round 1 besides Eli? It's extremely rare. Ownership though they have become more in tune with the times with some things value draft picks quite a bit especially when in their minds right or wrong the cost is just too high to move up (as often is in round 1). They pay their scouts and their scouting program to do a job and even feel it 'quite unfair' to give up a significant portion of their draft. They like to do their 'moving and shaking' in round 2 when cost is much lower. Like it or hate it, it's an engrained mentality.
Also ownership, and some may hate to hear this, felt they had too good of an option in DJ so Drake (who they did feel was a special talent) made sense 'only at the right price'.
The price was high but the impression is if ownership didn't nix it, Schoen would have paid it. These guys are part of the group that pulled off the double trade up for Allen. Drake in a sense was Daboll's Josh Allen 2.0 and he wasn't part of the regime that drafted Daniel. According to the source, they were not that far apart on price too but NE was pushing for 'more' and ultimately it got nixed.
For more evidence, Vacchiano who rarely misses (hit on Banks last year, DJ at 6 not 17 few years back and now Nabers) also hinted at how 'some in the organization' (i.e likely referecing Mara) ultimately weren't willing to pay the price. Ralph is Mara's main mouthpiece and therefore gets the best info of the bunch.
All the hoopla, but now reality sets in I guess. They need DJ to be healthy and be the guy parts of rookie year and had flashes under Daboll when in the few instances a Bobby Johnson disaster of an OL could block.
They spent on 5 OL this offseason. They brought in a guy Bricillo who had top 12 Offensive Line performances with 2 different teams with just average talent in the OL group. This guy might just be our best Ol ball coach since the likes of Pat Flaherty.
The pessimist might say this is definition of insanity and QB was definitely a need and once again ownership didn't step up to the plate, recognize their mistakes and move on. Not many people could blame them.
The hopeful optimist might look at it and say the few games in the last 5 years when DJ had decent blocking in front of him he has generally looked the part and sometimes much more than that.
Also when young QBs like Allen, Tua, Hurts and the like finally got their shiny toy WR1 and had a good offensive mind behind it the performances jumped dramatically the following year.
I dont care to blame the Maras about it anymore
Its on them. Sink or swim with Jones
Never spoke terms specifically, just that it didn't seem like they were far off. Seemed Mara didn't want to pay it.
If not, I question the last 40 years of my life ☹️
I dont care to blame the Maras about it anymore
Its on them. Sink or swim with Jones
I agree. Make it work, no more excuses.
Then biggest demand was that ownership wanted a QB. The Giants and I assume MN made their offers (was told there were multiple offers).
At the end of the day, Maye was the best player on their board or at least the best QB by a wide margin.
The Giants offered their 2025 #1 and the 2025 #3. The others were more substantial but with a lower draft position.
The Krafts wanted the QB...end of story.
Then biggest demand was that ownership wanted a QB. The Giants and I assume MN made their offers (was told there were multiple offers).
At the end of the day, Maye was the best player on their board or at least the best QB by a wide margin.
The Giants offered their 2025 #1 and the 2025 #3. The others were more substantial but with a lower draft position.
The Krafts wanted the QB...end of story.
I will say this. If they did offer next years 1 and 3 that’s a very fair offer
Then biggest demand was that ownership wanted a QB. The Giants and I assume MN made their offers (was told there were multiple offers).
At the end of the day, Maye was the best player on their board or at least the best QB by a wide margin.
The Giants offered their 2025 #1 and the 2025 #3. The others were more substantial but with a lower draft position.
The Krafts wanted the QB...end of story.
Thanks dd. This sounds about right. One the Pats locked in that Maye was their guy, to go beyond that offer by the Giants, it would have made no sense. It takes 2 (or 3) to trade. The best news is in this scenario, the Giants didn't panic and take JJM at 6.
Then biggest demand was that ownership wanted a QB. The Giants and I assume MN made their offers (was told there were multiple offers).
At the end of the day, Maye was the best player on their board or at least the best QB by a wide margin.
The Giants offered their 2025 #1 and the 2025 #3. The others were more substantial but with a lower draft position.
The Krafts wanted the QB...end of story.
Thanks dd in Mass! I wonder why our other asshats had it as a done deal then.
I'm also tired of the Mara angle. It's clear Schoen & Daboll like Jones.
I dont care to blame the Maras about it anymore
Its on them. Sink or swim with Jones
How is it on them if they wanted to move to get a QB and bozo Mara was putting limits on what they can do? What’s the point of even hiring a GM? Let Mara just be the GM at that point so we can at least put the blame straight on him instead of him hiding like the little coward he is.
Then biggest demand was that ownership wanted a QB. The Giants and I assume MN made their offers (was told there were multiple offers).
At the end of the day, Maye was the best player on their board or at least the best QB by a wide margin.
The Giants offered their 2025 #1 and the 2025 #3. The others were more substantial but with a lower draft position.
The Krafts wanted the QB...end of story.
I'm also tired of the Mara angle. It's clear Schoen & Daboll like Jones.
I’m really not sure they love him or trust him but irregardless they are in their situation because of their decisions so I don’t have lot of sympathy for them.
THIS!!!!
I said it all along, DJ will be the starter come September if he's healthy. And I believe he will be. Now hopefully that OL will start gelling to give him a chance. Fatboy better run a better camp and be better prepared this year or sayonara!
Hopefully we can improve on the record from 2022 and perhaps win 10 this year, if not a top 10 pick will be ours again.
Now let's go get a # 2 CB today and settle that festering issue.
Then biggest demand was that ownership wanted a QB. The Giants and I assume MN made their offers (was told there were multiple offers).
At the end of the day, Maye was the best player on their board or at least the best QB by a wide margin.
The Giants offered their 2025 #1 and the 2025 #3. The others were more substantial but with a lower draft position.
The Krafts wanted the QB...end of story.
Thank you dd.
I mean, what was "close"? #6, #47, 2025 #1 and #3, plus more(2026 #1)? I didn't see the Vikings jumping to #3 and they were willing to give up more. So the Pats were not moving.
In fact, I do not believe the Patriots ever intended to make a deal that was in the realm of fair/reasonable. Think of the lies they put out - they didn't want Maye, Daniels or McCarthy were their guy.
That's what will happen....again. Poor Nabers.
Your theory didn’t work out. It happens.
I mean, what was "close"? #6, #47, 2025 #1 and #3, plus more(2026 #1)? I didn't see the Vikings jumping to #3 and they were willing to give up more. So the Pats were not moving.
In fact, I do not believe the Patriots ever intended to make a deal that was in the realm of fair/reasonable. Think of the lies they put out - they didn't want Maye, Daniels or McCarthy were their guy.
Makes a thread stating it was a one time event where he got some info. Now keeps getting info? I completely agree with you.
I'll take it from another angle. Schoen has tightened the circle of info and clearly used smoke screens.
Trading two firsts and a second to move up three spots is a ridiculous trade. Anyone advocating for it has zero understanding of prospect value. Drake Maye could just as easily be Mitch Trubisky as he could be Justin Herbert. And don't get me started on JJM - that was one of the the great hoaxes in NFL history and Viking fans today are beside themselves. Listening to Greg Gianotti this morning was actually quite therapeutic - very thankful they were the greater fools bidding against themselves this year for a middling talent.
In his next job, maybe Schoen will think twice about the implications of signing an NFL backup quarterback to the worst contract in NFL history and then clinging to players with value at the trade deadline you know you won't be signing after the year. Those were the galactic mistakes made by Schoen, not last night.
Schoen will not get fired for another bad season. He did what his boss wanted so he is safe. If this season does not go well, Daboll will likely be the one shown the door for failing to bring out Jones’ hidden talent. We can then find a different offensive genius who has a plan to win with Jones.
Meh.
Remember, JJ face of franchise, Mara must love him BS?
If Schoen and Dabs hated the QB room that much, they would have taken JJ. And Mara would have signed off according to BBI.
I am sure we will never know but I would be curious to see where they had JJM rated. Nabers is a legit stud and will definitely make us better but WR’s don’t win super Bowls like QB’s do.
All we can do is hope they made the right choice and we get lucky on a QB in the next year or two
Then biggest demand was that ownership wanted a QB. The Giants and I assume MN made their offers (was told there were multiple offers).
NE wanted A QB. They were right to ask for the world to give up the spot.
At the end of the day, Maye was the best player on their board or at least the best QB by a wide margin.
The Giants offered their 2025 #1 and the 2025 #3. The others were more substantial but with a lower draft position.
The Krafts wanted the QB...end of story.
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Once the Pats draft board got set up and JJM didn't crack the top ten. The Krafts backed off and let their football people work the phones.
Then biggest demand was that ownership wanted a QB. The Giants and I assume MN made their offers (was told there were multiple offers).
NE wanted A QB. They were right to ask for the world to give up the spot.
At the end of the day, Maye was the best player on their board or at least the best QB by a wide margin.
The Giants offered their 2025 #1 and the 2025 #3. The others were more substantial but with a lower draft position.
The Krafts wanted the QB...end of story.
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NE wanted a QB and wanted a huge haul to move off the pick which would give them the capital to make a move next year. It is what it is.
Schoen will not get fired for another bad season. He did what his boss wanted so he is safe. If this season does not go well, Daboll will likely be the one shown the door for failing to bring out Jones’ hidden talent. We can then find a different offensive genius who has a plan to win with Jones.
So when you offer 6, 70 and your 2025 1 & 3
That sure doesn’t sound like a GM whose plan is to build around the current QB does jt?
Why force a QB selection of you don’t have a conviction on the other QB’s?
Isn’t this how we got DJ in the first place?
I'm also tired of the Mara angle. It's clear Schoen & Daboll like Jones.
+1. Enough. Schoen passed on 3 QBs at six that other teams rated as upper 1st prospects. They’ve made their bed with Jones.
even if they'd liked JJM better, or had them close to even, getting cute and trading down would have been pretty stupid. Take the best QB and dont risk it.
the fact that MIN and NYG both wanted to move up for Maye, but not for JJM (notice MIN had no fear of letting JJM fall past other teams willing to trade and NYG) tells me that this was all a lot of white noise. Drake was always going #3 to NE.
If you want to blame the obvious right move from another team on John Mara that's a personal decision. also moronic, but personal.
I'm concerned that he's got permanent damage (physical and mental) from the shit-sandwich he's been served every year, but time to find out.
One thing's for sure: even if they had drafted Maye, they would've had tons of work building up the offense and getting him playmakers or he would've been screwed. And they would've had almost no resources to do it.
Now - if DJ flops with better playing conditions - they'll have an elite #1 for the new QB, and all their picks. I'm good with it.
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The more asshats make posts giving these long drawn out explanations, the less I believe them.
I'm also tired of the Mara angle. It's clear Schoen & Daboll like Jones.
+1. Enough. Schoen passed on 3 QBs at six that other teams rated as upper 1st prospects. They’ve made their bed with Jones.
And that doesn’t mean the other teams were tight and we were wrong does it?
Should we force a pick that we don’t have conviction on?
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The more asshats make posts giving these long drawn out explanations, the less I believe them.
I'm also tired of the Mara angle. It's clear Schoen & Daboll like Jones.
+1. Enough. Schoen passed on 3 QBs at six that other teams rated as upper 1st prospects. They’ve made their bed with Jones.
And that doesn’t mean the other teams were tight and we were wrong does it?
Should we force a pick that we don’t have conviction on?
Right or wrong has got nothing to do with it imv. My point is you can’t pin this on Mara. There were clearly QBs available that other teams valued. Schoen passed, so he - not Mara - should ultimately be judged if things go south with Jones.
They both seemed quite happy with the pick in the press conference. Didn't seem like a group whos plans got shot down, or like the settled.
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The more asshats make posts giving these long drawn out explanations, the less I believe them.
I'm also tired of the Mara angle. It's clear Schoen & Daboll like Jones.
+1. Enough. Schoen passed on 3 QBs at six that other teams rated as upper 1st prospects. They’ve made their bed with Jones.
And that doesn’t mean the other teams were tight and we were wrong does it?
Should we force a pick that we don’t have conviction on?
Right or wrong has got nothing to do with it imv. My point is you can’t pin this on Mara. There were clearly QBs available that other teams valued. Schoen passed, so he - not Mara - should ultimately be judged if things go south with Jones.
I never said this had anything to do with Mara
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The only thing I do know is that Schoen has cast his lot with Daniel Jones yet again. Jones is Schoen’s QB, not Gettleman’s. It seems the plan all along was to have Daboll fix Jones while building a team around Jones.
Schoen will not get fired for another bad season. He did what his boss wanted so he is safe. If this season does not go well, Daboll will likely be the one shown the door for failing to bring out Jones’ hidden talent. We can then find a different offensive genius who has a plan to win with Jones.
So when you offer 6, 70 and your 2025 1 & 3
That sure doesn’t sound like a GM whose plan is to build around the current QB does jt?
Why force a QB selection of you don’t have a conviction on the other QB’s?
Isn’t this how we got DJ in the first place?
You have no idea what they were offered. Your guesses are not evidence of anything.
And yeah the mindset is you don't force a QB pick. It's fair to assume that will be the plan in 2025, right?
We may still be closer to the start of Daniel Jones' career with the Giants than the end.
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The only thing I do know is that Schoen has cast his lot with Daniel Jones yet again. Jones is Schoen’s QB, not Gettleman’s. It seems the plan all along was to have Daboll fix Jones while building a team around Jones.
Schoen will not get fired for another bad season. He did what his boss wanted so he is safe. If this season does not go well, Daboll will likely be the one shown the door for failing to bring out Jones’ hidden talent. We can then find a different offensive genius who has a plan to win with Jones.
So when you offer 6, 70 and your 2025 1 & 3
That sure doesn’t sound like a GM whose plan is to build around the current QB does jt?
Why force a QB selection of you don’t have a conviction on the other QB’s?
Isn’t this how we got DJ in the first place?
You have no idea what they were offered. Your guesses are not evidence of anything.
And yeah the mindset is you don't force a QB pick. It's fair to assume that will be the plan in 2025, right?
We may still be closer to the start of Daniel Jones' career with the Giants than the end.
I am going by Big Blue Banter and what Big Rick said
So let’s assume they are both correct
Do you make that kind of offer if DJ is your guy?