Good for both of them!
Giants
Whether we like the Nabers pick or not (I do), the Giants had everyone guessing right up until the pick. The traditional draft guys had Nabers for awhile at the 6th spot, some started to vary on the news of possibly Maye at 3 during the day.
Have to think that some of the insiders were exposed after this process. We will see going forward. Its a tough business.
Atlanta
Did anyone know that Penix was targeted? Crazy thinking they just signed Cousins. That had to be the biggest surprise of the draft in Rd 1.
Onto Day2
I would trade our QB situation for theirs in a heartbeat.
Cousins is not even cuttable for 2 years, that's half of the Penix contract.
And he's painfully cuttable after year 3.
So realistically Penix should not start until year 4 of his 4 year deal.
I get patience but there is an inflection point where it's a bad investment
Cousins is not even cuttable for 2 years, that's half of the Penix contract.
And he's painfully cuttable after year 3.
So realistically Penix should not start until year 4 of his 4 year deal.
I get patience but there is an inflection point where it's a bad investment
Cousins also has a trade value, even with his current contract. When he was a free agent this year, even coming off an injury, there was a market for him. That will exist after next year and the year after.
Even if they keep Cousins and he plays three years before Penix takes over, the Falcons have 2 full years of control to evaluate whether they found their guy or not.
and is risky.
Cousins is 36 years old before he takes a snap for Atlanta. I doubt hes tradeable due to bonus acceleration on their cap until after 2 years, at which point he's 38 before he takes a snap for his new team.
seems like a lot of risk to me. maybe it works out, but not something I would be heralding as a win or commendable.
it is bold though, I'll give them that.
I like that they swung for the fences. Admittedly, I also like it because I do like Penix.
and is risky.
Cousins is 36 years old before he takes a snap for Atlanta. I doubt hes tradeable due to bonus acceleration on their cap until after 2 years, at which point he's 38 before he takes a snap for his new team.
seems like a lot of risk to me. maybe it works out, but not something I would be heralding as a win or commendable.
it is bold though, I'll give them that.
Bonus accelerators usually go with the trade. They only accelerate when released.
Which means they have an expiration date on Cousins and want to be able to transition to a QB they believe in once date is hit.
And there is some logic to it. If ATL is assuming they are going to be good the next two years and be outside the lottery, this was the chance to upgrade the QB pipeline.
The Atlanta Falcons have TWO.
The NY Giants have ZERO.
Penix is a great talent. If Cousins gets hurt, he can come in. Who knows what the future will bring. Maybe Penix learns fast. Having TWO QBs is a good problem to have. Having ZERO QBs is a disaster.
The objective in the NFL is compete for SB titles. The Falcs will be in the mix. The Giants will be lucky to win 7 games.
Cousins is 36. Bardy was (roughly) 75 when he retired. There is no reason to rush a guy into starting because he is 24. It is about learning the system and personnel to ease the transition, not squeezing every year out of his career you can.
A backup QB doesn’t help the team win unless there is an injury. They had a chance to get better and blew it.
And it's not a quantity contest. Imagine if they use next years 1st on a QB again they'll be even better because it would be 3 QB's. lol.
Being stuck with a 36-year old QB with a no-trade-clause on a huge salary and a 24-year old unproven rookie who may be a bust and who ideally won't see the field for 2-3 years doesn't make the team necessarily better in any way.
And it's not a quantity contest. Imagine if they use next years 1st on a QB again they'll be even better because it would be 3 QB's. lol.
Being stuck with a 36-year old QB with a no-trade-clause on a huge salary and a 24-year old unproven rookie who may be a bust and who ideally won't see the field for 2-3 years doesn't make the team necessarily better in any way.
I trade our QB room for theirs in a heartbeat. You are looking for reasons to bash the Falcons. One problem they don't have is finding a good QB to trot out there on Sunday. Cousins is coming off an Achilles - Penix seems like a good backup plan. Their backup plan is better bet than our whole QB room. Don't be a Giants management lemming.
but regardless, yes, the Giants have the worst QB situation in the league and if not the worst, pretty close to it.
But that doesn't mean because the Falcons situation is better it's great or that taking Penix was a smart move.
The Giants should strive for better than the Falcons situation.
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And it's not a quantity contest. Imagine if they use next years 1st on a QB again they'll be even better because it would be 3 QB's. lol.
Being stuck with a 36-year old QB with a no-trade-clause on a huge salary and a 24-year old unproven rookie who may be a bust and who ideally won't see the field for 2-3 years doesn't make the team necessarily better in any way.
I trade our QB room for theirs in a heartbeat. You are looking for reasons to bash the Falcons. One problem they don't have is finding a good QB to trot out there on Sunday. Cousins is coming off an Achilles - Penix seems like a good backup plan. Their backup plan is better bet than our whole QB room. Don't be a Giants management lemming.
If Penix was better than our whole QB room why didn't Schoen take him at 6? The Giants clearly evaluated that they did not think Penix would be a successful QB in the NFL in the Giants' system.
Please stop making sense. That's frowned upon around here.
Then why sign him to a big contract (and tamper in the process) that is uncuttable for 2 years and painfully cuttable the 3rd year?
Yes, I think Penix was a high-risk prospect.
But the dynamics of the ATL move are unique here. Penix is very likely not going to play for two years. He's the apprentice to Cousins. And I expect ATL to compete for the NFCS with Cousins. So, ATL will very likely be outside the lottery to get another QB.
Penix can sit, learn, and give his body even more time to develop.
It was a dumb move. They are not the Packers when they picked Love. It is not a contending team. This was not a bottom of the first round pick. Atlanta has a ton of holes one of which that could have been filled with a premium pick.
It's just asinine.
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I thought you implied Penix would be a massive reach in the first round?
Yes, I think Penix was a high-risk prospect.
But the dynamics of the ATL move are unique here. Penix is very likely not going to play for two years. He's the apprentice to Cousins. And I expect ATL to compete for the NFCS with Cousins. So, ATL will very likely be outside the lottery to get another QB.
Penix can sit, learn, and give his body even more time to develop.
I agree. From an advantageous rookie contract position at QB, I don't get it. However, I wonder if fans overrate that.
A backup QB doesn’t help the team win unless there is an injury. They had a chance to get better and blew it.
Penix isn’t much of an injury risk until he starts to play. At that point when he starts to play, it means Cousins isn’t playing.
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They just signed Cousins and Penix is an injury risk. As a 2nd or 3rd rounder it’s a good investment but not a top 10 guy. They should have traded out. QB is probably the one position you don’t draft in round 1 unless there is a need this year or next. They are locked in to Cousins for the next 2 seasons.
A backup QB doesn’t help the team win unless there is an injury. They had a chance to get better and blew it.
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Penix isn’t much of an injury risk until he starts to play. At that point when he starts to play, it means Cousins isn’t playing.
The Athletic gave the Falcons a Grade C on the Penix choice.
Cousins is not even cuttable for 2 years, that's half of the Penix contract.
And he's painfully cuttable after year 3.
So realistically Penix should not start until year 4 of his 4 year deal.
I get patience but there is an inflection point where it's a bad investment
He's cuttable after year 1, it will just be painful. They did it before with Ryan, Broncos just did it. But if you have a QB on a rookie deal who's the real deal, it's an absorbable hit.
It was a dumb move. They are not the Packers when they picked Love. It is not a contending team. This was not a bottom of the first round pick. Atlanta has a ton of holes one of which that could have been filled with a premium pick.
It's just asinine.
Not me. I would love it. Two good QBs is a great problem to have. Malik Nabors with our QB room is a waste.
Teams will throw tons of draft resources (e.g., three first round picks) to draft a single QB. Instead of putting all their eggs in one basket they split it among two.
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is a horrible investment. Unless Atlanta believes they are in win now and the QB's they have represent their Favre to Rodgers talent pipeline.
Cousins is not even cuttable for 2 years, that's half of the Penix contract.
And he's painfully cuttable after year 3.
So realistically Penix should not start until year 4 of his 4 year deal.
I get patience but there is an inflection point where it's a bad investment
He's cuttable after year 1, it will just be painful. They did it before with Ryan, Broncos just did it. But if you have a QB on a rookie deal who's the real deal, it's an absorbable hit.
After year 1 they save $0 on the cap (in fact they would be -$25M) and have $65M in dead cap space. I don't see how he is cuttable after year 1 if they want to field a competitive team.
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is a horrible investment. Unless Atlanta believes they are in win now and the QB's they have represent their Favre to Rodgers talent pipeline.
Cousins is not even cuttable for 2 years, that's half of the Penix contract.
And he's painfully cuttable after year 3.
So realistically Penix should not start until year 4 of his 4 year deal.
I get patience but there is an inflection point where it's a bad investment
He's cuttable after year 1, it will just be painful. They did it before with Ryan, Broncos just did it. But if you have a QB on a rookie deal who's the real deal, it's an absorbable hit.
After year 1 they save $0 on the cap (in fact they would be -$25M) and have $65M in dead cap space. I don't see how he is cuttable after year 1 if they want to field a competitive team.
A few years ago I thought the same thing, but seeing teams eat massive cap hits like the Broncos and Atlanta to get rid of QBs, I think it's manageable. They can also make him post June 1 which spreads the hit.
Teams will throw tons of draft resources (e.g., three first round picks) to draft a single QB. Instead of putting all their eggs in one basket they split it among two.
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@ProFootballTalk
As the Falcons try to clean up their mess with Kirk Cousins, they suggest Michael Penix Jr. could sit for "four or five years." https://nbcsports.com/nfl/profootbal
this is not a sensationalist headline....
The fans applauding the Penix pick/Cousins signing I feel like fall into the category Mel Kiper Jr had when he described the Jets: "It's obvious to me right now that the Jets just don't understand what the draft is all about."
I know people are desperate for a real Qb here but they can get away from Jones next year. Atlanta is a mess. 100 million guaranteed for Cousins alone to me me is a WTF Then Pennix? Anyone other than the Falcons think that's a great move is nuts