Whatever your thoughts are about Daniel Jones, you can defend him or criticize him logically and rationally. The point in all of this is we really never gave the kid a chance. He's had too many coaches, too many offenses and zero consistent weapons in his entire 5 years. If you ranked his offensive line and wide receiver groups in the NFL, it would be at or near the bottom for his entire 5 years.
Now, does that mean he would have been great with a better core? Maybe. But both things can be true that he was given almost no chance to be successful and he might not have been successful to begin with either.
At this point we root for him because he is our starting quarterback.
+1 just hope this “debate” is finished one way or the other after this season.
He'll have to earn his job vs. Lock, which he probably will, but I don't have Jones pegged to be on this roster past this year, and I don't know anyone who does.
DJ is not a top 5 QB
Giants are not going to spend high draft capital on a QB that they do not believe can be a top 5 QB
The Giants were in a precarious situation after the Giants made the playoffs and gave him a contract based on projection and not wanting to put money in the RB position. DJ made some improvements like ball security and helped them get the playoffs and win it.
Losing Andrew Thomas getting hurt early and everyone else on the Oline not performing great did not help the situation
DJ was not good enough to overcome or elevate rest of the roster
DJ got injured again and it makes the contract situation worse
There are no magic wands
Well said, and true.
Make all the excuses you want, the NFL should be a meritocracy. He’s been the one constant of a bad offense for 5 years. He has had plenty of chances, it’s absurd to say otherwise.
Make all the excuses you want, the NFL should be a meritocracy. He’s been the one constant of a bad offense for 5 years. He has had plenty of chances, it’s absurd to say otherwise.
This is where I am at. He is going into year 6 not year 3. There is no current analogous situation in the league of a qb going into year 6 with this limited production on the same team.
yep. the only other option for them using that mindset was to trade down and fill as many of those needs (which would not have been QB) and this would have also been respectable.
but who do you pick and are you still picking a WR with the extra pick. It is a deep class so odds were in favor of that. However they would be passing on what that might see as ALL-PRO talent in Nabers which was most likely in tiers above the rest of the players in the draft. They said nope, not doing that, this kid is too good.
DJ contract is the bigger issue than DJ the player right now. That is already a sunk cost. No matter what, in their mind you were not going to have an all star QB throwing the ball and you are already paying for one of those.
Make all the excuses you want, the NFL should be a meritocracy. He’s been the one constant of a bad offense for 5 years. He has had plenty of chances, it’s absurd to say otherwise.
Jake Plummer is the only one I can think of. 20+ years ago
Make all the excuses you want, the NFL should be a meritocracy. He’s been the one constant of a bad offense for 5 years. He has had plenty of chances, it’s absurd to say otherwise.
True. His OL was historically bad, his WRs have been weak (he did have a RB “touched by god”, though). But DJ has been mediocre to bad and was awful last season outside of one half of football. Yet he’s still around. Other qbs have been in similar situations and been cut.
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What other QB has played to his level for 5 straight years and gotten a 6th season? No one.
Make all the excuses you want, the NFL should be a meritocracy. He’s been the one constant of a bad offense for 5 years. He has had plenty of chances, it’s absurd to say otherwise.
You really can't tell about a qb until year 7 or 8. We should get him weapons! so we know for sure when his extension is up.
Im trying to figure out what you wanted to happen.
I assume you liked one of the QBs available
The Giants thought the prospect you liked was closer to Daniel Jones or Drew Lock than it was to Josh Allen or Maholmes
So lets say draft Penix/Mccarthy/Nix, they are not drafting another in 2025, then you realize your QB is not as good as you thought, so now going into 2026 you decide to draft another QB correct?
Awesome, you get your guy, he is awesome, and Nabers is playing for some other team on his rookie deal at the age of 23
The way giants chose is the same end result but they get to keep Nabers but they also may get one if they love one in 2025 because they did not pick a QB just to take one in 2024.
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and since then he has had more chances then any QB in NFL history .
True. His OL was historically bad, his WRs have been weak (he did have a RB “touched by god”, though). But DJ has been mediocre to bad and was awful last season outside of one half of football. Yet he’s still around. Other qbs have been in similar situations and been cut.
Money makes a difference. The minute they signed him to that deal last year he was virtually guaranteed two more years. I don’t think the current ownership is as willing to take a Russell Wilson like hit as the Broncos were.
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What other QB has played to his level for 5 straight years and gotten a 6th season? No one.
Make all the excuses you want, the NFL should be a meritocracy. He’s been the one constant of a bad offense for 5 years. He has had plenty of chances, it’s absurd to say otherwise.
You really can't tell about a qb until year 7 or 8. We should get him weapons! so we know for sure when his extension is up.
Im trying to figure out what you wanted to happen.
I assume you liked one of the QBs available
The Giants thought the prospect you liked was closer to Daniel Jones or Drew Lock than it was to Josh Allen or Maholmes
So lets say draft Penix/Mccarthy/Nix, they are not drafting another in 2025, then you realize your QB is not as good as you thought, so now going into 2026 you decide to draft another QB correct?
Awesome, you get your guy, he is awesome, and Nabers is playing for some other team on his rookie deal at the age of 23
The way giants chose is the same end result but they get to keep Nabers but they also may get one if they love one in 2025 because they did not pick a QB just to take one in 2024.
I like Penix a lot but I also understand the Nabers pick.
I would cut Jones and see if they can catch lightning in a bottle. If thats Lock, a different FA QB or a later round project QB. If they bust out, you move on and probably have a higher draft pick.
To me that makes more sense than giving Jones another season.
The truth about Jones is that he has had garbage to throw to his entire career and an equally if not worse line. No one has said he was an elite QB. There are posters here that say he isn't good enough to be on a practice squad and it's just out of control.
Make it stop.
Huh? Not sure I follow.