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Lombardi: NYG trade up derailed by NE needing to get to 4/5

Sean : 4/26/2024 2:51 pm
A lot of talk about the asshat reports here. Lombardi is saying NYG offered a 2025 first for Maye, but the issue was NE felt dropping to 6 was too risky to hope JJM was there. Obviously it would have worked for them, but that was the sticking point.

Lombardi said NYG was all in on Maye and did not like McCarthy. Linked below. Discussion starts at 23:00 mark.
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"All in on Maye"  
Go Terps : 4/26/2024 2:52 pm : link
Full bloom love.
Very interesting,  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 2:53 pm : link
Would be hilarious if Maye busts and JJM is good. I mean not too hilarious because we passed on JJM at 6, but it would be funny still.
I guess that's how it was on then off?  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 2:54 pm : link
Maybe AZ decided they didn't want to move down to 6 and potentially miss MHJ. Ironically, I get the sense MHJ would have been there at 6 for AZ and JJM was there at 6 for NE anyways. I wonder how they are feeling about that.
well  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 2:54 pm : link
that would jive with what we were being told.
Hmmm then why not have a contingent deal  
Stars_and_stripes : 4/26/2024 2:55 pm : link
where if McCarthy falls to 6 Giants draft him and then they make the trade? Kinda like 2004 Eli/Rivers

Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.
RE: well  
Mike in Prescott : 4/26/2024 2:56 pm : link
In comment 16492036 Eric from BBI said:
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that would jive with what we were being told.


They were banned.
RE: Hmmm then why not have a contingent deal  
logman : 4/26/2024 2:56 pm : link
In comment 16492037 Stars_and_stripes said:
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where if McCarthy falls to 6 Giants draft him and then they make the trade? Kinda like 2004 Eli/Rivers

Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.


This isn't allowed aymore
3 team trades are tough in NFL  
ZogZerg : 4/26/2024 2:57 pm : link
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RE: Hmmm then why not have a contingent deal  
RHPeel : 4/26/2024 2:57 pm : link
In comment 16492037 Stars_and_stripes said:
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where if McCarthy falls to 6 Giants draft him and then they make the trade? Kinda like 2004 Eli/Rivers

Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.


You can't trade a player until they're under contract once drafted.
I always thought that the difference between 6 and 5 was massive.  
Optimus-NY : 4/26/2024 2:59 pm : link
Turns out I was right.
sounds like bullshit  
Ron Johnson : 4/26/2024 3:01 pm : link
If you're looking for a qb you pick one. you don't get off of the guy you want because you get offered a 2025 pick that you have no idea where it will fall. You take your qb.
If Giants didn't like McCarthy....they why  
Andy in Boston : 4/26/2024 3:01 pm : link
did they have several meetings with him and were in touch with him all the time?
RE: RE: well  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 3:02 pm : link
In comment 16492040 Mike in Prescott said:
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In comment 16492036 Eric from BBI said:


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that would jive with what we were being told.



They were banned.


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as usual i dont believe lombardi  
Eric on Li : 4/26/2024 3:05 pm : link
maye was the consensus qb3.

i dont believe ne was willing to move off him to jjm just to pick up picks, even if they were good picks.

sean payton had nix ahead of jjm and chose not to move ahead of MIN for what probably would have only cost a 3rd round pick.

the nyg and min (oconnell, pretty good coach) had jjm seemingly a full tier below maye.

atlanta chose penix over jjm.

i was/am a JJM fan. belichek seemed most complimentary of him vs all the qbs including maye/daniels. but it doesn't seem that was a widely agreed with view.
RE: sounds like bullshit  
UConn4523 : 4/26/2024 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16492056 Ron Johnson said:
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If you're looking for a qb you pick one. you don't get off of the guy you want because you get offered a 2025 pick that you have no idea where it will fall. You take your qb.


Why is it bullshit that they like more than 1 QB?
RE: RE: RE: well  
Jim in Tampa : 4/26/2024 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16492059 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16492040 Mike in Prescott said:


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In comment 16492036 Eric from BBI said:


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that would jive with what we were being told.



They were banned.



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He meant to respons to S&S's post.
RE: If Giants didn't like McCarthy....they why  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/26/2024 3:06 pm : link
In comment 16492058 Andy in Boston said:
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did they have several meetings with him and were in touch with him all the time?


The Giants are run terribly these days.
That is what I heard...  
Amtoft : 4/26/2024 3:08 pm : link
6, 70, 2025 1st and I think a 2025 3rd... there was also a later round pick swap this year or next also. NE wanted another 1st... They crazy man.
RE:  
jvm52106 : 4/26/2024 3:08 pm : link
In comment 16492020 Go Terps said:
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Full bloom love.


so what- that is what we wanted, them to identify the QB they wanted. You are mad that it wasn't Penix or any QB basically.. I wanted Maye and am glad they tried but disappointed how it worked out. You can't blame them for liking a prospect instead of just a position.
RE: RE: If Giants didn't like McCarthy....they why  
Amtoft : 4/26/2024 3:10 pm : link
In comment 16492073 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 16492058 Andy in Boston said:


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did they have several meetings with him and were in touch with him all the time?



The Giants are run terribly these days.


Why did they do their due diligence? Is that really the question? Also if Nabers went 5th to LAC... who do we pick? I am not sure if it was Rome next in line. I heard trade down and if that was the case JJM might have been in that mix.
RE: If Giants didn't like McCarthy....they why  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 3:14 pm : link
In comment 16492058 Andy in Boston said:
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did they have several meetings with him and were in touch with him all the time?


Is this a serious question?
If true  
John in NC : 4/26/2024 3:16 pm : link
Explains why our asshats thought we were getting Maye at 3 -- maybe the Giants met NE's asking price but NE couldn't get a deal in place to come back up.

Hope this helps some of the posters who are worried that the Giants still love Jones and didn't try to get a new QB.
Have to imagine Team McCarthy was shocked when he didn't  
ThomasG : 4/26/2024 3:17 pm : link
hear his name called at #6.

He and Rich Eisen were basically crying on the latter's show the day before the draft when describing meeting and talking with all the people in the NYG Front Office. He was like already part of the family it seemed.



So at least our front office is good at something these days.  
ThomasG : 4/26/2024 3:18 pm : link
Faking it.
RE: If true  
Jaenyg : 4/26/2024 3:20 pm : link
In comment 16492103 John in NC said:
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Explains why our asshats thought we were getting Maye at 3 -- maybe the Giants met NE's asking price but NE couldn't get a deal in place to come back up.

Hope this helps some of the posters who are worried that the Giants still love Jones and didn't try to get a new QB.


That is logical. However I can’t believe they couldn’t get a deal done with LA for 5. In the end, they probably said “screw this hassle”.
RE: If Giants didn't like McCarthy....they why  
Mike from Ohio : 4/26/2024 3:21 pm : link
In comment 16492058 Andy in Boston said:
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did they have several meetings with him and were in touch with him all the time?


Why would they scout someone they didn't like?

How would they know if they liked him without scouting him?
Umm  
mdthedream : 4/26/2024 3:22 pm : link
couldn't they do it when the Giants where picking at 6 seeing Mccarthey was still on the board? Sounds like BS to me.
Todd McShay tweeted similar yesterday before the draft  
Jon C. in MD : 4/26/2024 3:25 pm : link
No 2024 NFL Mock Draft ⛓️ for me. But here’s what I’m hearing…

1. CHI QB Caleb ☑️
2. WASH QB Jayden ☑️
3. NE plan:
-HIGHLY LIKELY the Pats stick and pick Maye.
-Would only move back if A. They get a HAUL to move back and B. They have a 2nd trade in place with AZ at 4 or LAC at 5 to move back up for JJ McCarthy. *And remember, Ossenfort spent 15 years in NE, so there’s a relationship there.

4 AZ plan:
-Stay at 4 and take MHJ.
-Trade back to 6 with NYG or NE (* see 👆 ) and still take MHJ.

5 LAC plan:
-Stay at 5 and take OT Alt (or I’m hearing maybe Latham over Alt?).
-Move back to 11 and take OT Latham.

6 NYG plan:
-Plan A: Want to move up to 3 for Maye. Don’t think NE will agree to move, but that’s what I hear NYG wants most.
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RE: RE: If Giants didn't like McCarthy....they why  
UConn4523 : 4/26/2024 3:26 pm : link
In comment 16492073 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 16492058 Andy in Boston said:


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did they have several meetings with him and were in touch with him all the time?



The Giants are run terribly these days.


So you have an issue with doing your due diligence and trying to actually create some misdirected interest to gain an upper hand? This is exactly what people crucified Gettelman for not doing.
Why didn't we draft JJ then and execute the trade with NE?  
GiantBlue : 4/26/2024 3:28 pm : link
We have Maye and they get JJ with the picks?

Puzzling.
RE: Umm  
Amtoft : 4/26/2024 3:29 pm : link
In comment 16492122 mdthedream said:
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couldn't they do it when the Giants where picking at 6 seeing Mccarthey was still on the board? Sounds like BS to me.


They changed the rules... you can't do that Eli/Rivers draft and trade anymore.
RE: Have to imagine Team McCarthy was shocked when he didn't  
MojoEd : 4/26/2024 3:29 pm : link
In comment 16492104 ThomasG said:
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hear his name called at #6.

He and Rich Eisen were basically crying on the latter's show the day before the draft when describing meeting and talking with all the people in the NYG Front Office. He was like already part of the family it seemed.



[sigh] he is in a better place
Thank Goodness The Trade Didn’t Happen  
Trainmaster : 4/26/2024 3:30 pm : link
Waaaaaaay too much capital to give up for QB3.

I’m liking WR1b very well.

This is utter bullshit  
GiantTuff1 : 4/26/2024 3:31 pm : link
because Giants could have just taken McCarthy and then traded with New England for Maye, since McCarthy DID make it to 6.
RE: Why didn't we draft JJ then and execute the trade with NE?  
GiantTuff1 : 4/26/2024 3:32 pm : link
In comment 16492146 GiantBlue said:
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We have Maye and they get JJ with the picks?

Puzzling.

💯 THIS 👆🏻
RE: RE: Have to imagine Team McCarthy was shocked when he didn't  
ThomasG : 4/26/2024 3:34 pm : link
In comment 16492151 MojoEd said:
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hear his name called at #6.

He and Rich Eisen were basically crying on the latter's show the day before the draft when describing meeting and talking with all the people in the NYG Front Office. He was like already part of the family it seemed.





[sigh] he is in a better place


Sad but true, some decent weapons in Minn.

That's if they let JJ throw more than 8 times per game :-)
RE: Have to imagine Team McCarthy was shocked when he didn't  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 3:34 pm : link
In comment 16492104 ThomasG said:
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hear his name called at #6.

He and Rich Eisen were basically crying on the latter's show the day before the draft when describing meeting and talking with all the people in the NYG Front Office. He was like already part of the family it seemed.




Actually, JJM said at the combine when interviewed live that he wanted to go to the Vikings. I bet they are thrilled. It's the best spot to go out of all the QB landing teams.
RE: RE: RE: If Giants didn't like McCarthy....they why  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 3:35 pm : link
In comment 16492086 Amtoft said:
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In comment 16492058 Andy in Boston said:


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did they have several meetings with him and were in touch with him all the time?



The Giants are run terribly these days.



Why did they do their due diligence? Is that really the question? Also if Nabers went 5th to LAC... who do we pick? I am not sure if it was Rome next in line. I heard trade down and if that was the case JJM might have been in that mix.


If JJM was remotely close, then they would have taken him. I doubt he was one of the 15 they had with 1st rd grades tbh. And this is coming from someone who really believed in JJM as a prospect.
RE: RE: Hmmm then why not have a contingent deal  
santacruzom : 4/26/2024 3:36 pm : link
In comment 16492043 logman said:
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where if McCarthy falls to 6 Giants draft him and then they make the trade? Kinda like 2004 Eli/Rivers

Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.



This isn't allowed aymore


Which seems ridiculous in my opinion.
I don’t believe that’s true anymore  
UConn4523 : 4/26/2024 3:36 pm : link
a selected player can’t be traded until after their contract is signed (I think).
RE: RE: Why didn't we draft JJ then and execute the trade with NE?  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 3:38 pm : link
In comment 16492167 GiantTuff1 said:
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We have Maye and they get JJ with the picks?

Puzzling.


💯 THIS 👆🏻


Once again, you can't do this anymore. I think this is going to backfire on NE, Maye isn't going to be elite. He's going to struggle with pressure worse in the NFL than in college. JJM will be good in Minnesota. They will regret this. At least we won't regret Nabers even if JJM is good in Minnesota, I don't see Nabers busting in any way shape or form.
RE: RE: Have to imagine Team McCarthy was shocked when he didn't  
ThomasG : 4/26/2024 3:39 pm : link
In comment 16492176 BleedBlue46 said:
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In comment 16492104 ThomasG said:


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hear his name called at #6.

He and Rich Eisen were basically crying on the latter's show the day before the draft when describing meeting and talking with all the people in the NYG Front Office. He was like already part of the family it seemed.






Actually, JJM said at the combine when interviewed live that he wanted to go to the Vikings. I bet they are thrilled. It's the best spot to go out of all the QB landing teams.


That was before he had the greatest pro-day ever for a QB and became a household name. And did that fun Easter Egg hunt with our front office personnel.
RE: Why didn't we draft JJ then and execute the trade with NE?  
crooza172 : 4/26/2024 3:40 pm : link
In comment 16492146 GiantBlue said:
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We have Maye and they get JJ with the picks?

Puzzling.


As stated, this is not allowed anymore.
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ChrisRick : 4/26/2024 3:40 pm : link
The players have not signed a contract with the team who has drafted them, why should the team hold the power to trade them? Allowing teams to trade players not under contract was not a good practice from the start in my view.
RE: This is utter bullshit  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 3:43 pm : link
In comment 16492163 GiantTuff1 said:
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because Giants could have just taken McCarthy and then traded with New England for Maye, since McCarthy DID make it to 6.


Again, that's no longer allowed in the NFL.
RE: Hmmm then why not have a contingent deal  
GiantTuff1 : 4/26/2024 3:43 pm : link
In comment 16492037 Stars_and_stripes said:
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where if McCarthy falls to 6 Giants draft him and then they make the trade? Kinda like 2004 Eli/Rivers

Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.

Yup.
RE: RE: RE: Have to imagine Team McCarthy was shocked when he didn't  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 3:43 pm : link
In comment 16492188 ThomasG said:
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In comment 16492104 ThomasG said:


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hear his name called at #6.

He and Rich Eisen were basically crying on the latter's show the day before the draft when describing meeting and talking with all the people in the NYG Front Office. He was like already part of the family it seemed.






Actually, JJM said at the combine when interviewed live that he wanted to go to the Vikings. I bet they are thrilled. It's the best spot to go out of all the QB landing teams.



That was before he had the greatest pro-day ever for a QB and became a household name. And did that fun Easter Egg hunt with our front office personnel.


Lol, I love the humor. JJM definitely landed in the best spot possible and he's close to home too. His camp is certainly thrilled. NE and NYG were the worst possible spots for QBs to land.
RE: RE: Hmmm then why not have a contingent deal  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 3:44 pm : link
In comment 16492199 GiantTuff1 said:
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where if McCarthy falls to 6 Giants draft him and then they make the trade? Kinda like 2004 Eli/Rivers

Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.


Yup.


They aren't allowed, for the third time.
RE: RE: Hmmm then why not have a contingent deal  
GiantTuff1 : 4/26/2024 3:44 pm : link
In comment 16492046 RHPeel said:
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In comment 16492037 Stars_and_stripes said:


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where if McCarthy falls to 6 Giants draft him and then they make the trade? Kinda like 2004 Eli/Rivers

Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.



You can't trade a player until they're under contract once drafted.

Ok I stand corrected if that’s the case.

It’s a funny rule if true. Why ban it?
GiantTuff1  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 3:45 pm : link
I think it was the Eli trade that caused it.
so they failed completely  
BigBlueCane : 4/26/2024 3:48 pm : link
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RE:  
McNally's_Nuts : 4/26/2024 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16492020 Go Terps said:
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Full bloom love.


gold jacket guy
RE: Hmmm then why not have a contingent deal  
Essex : 4/26/2024 3:50 pm : link
In comment 16492037 Stars_and_stripes said:
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where if McCarthy falls to 6 Giants draft him and then they make the trade? Kinda like 2004 Eli/Rivers

Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.


exactly!!!! this cant possibly be true, a third grader could have worked around this issue
RE: GiantTuff1  
McNally's_Nuts : 4/26/2024 3:50 pm : link
In comment 16492205 Eric from BBI said:
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I think it was the Eli trade that caused it.


I don’t think it was ever explicitly banned but if the Chargers decided to back out of the deal then the Giants would have gotten stuck with Rivers.
RE: RE: GiantTuff1  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 3:51 pm : link
In comment 16492225 McNally's_Nuts said:
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In comment 16492205 Eric from BBI said:


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I think it was the Eli trade that caused it.



I don’t think it was ever explicitly banned but if the Chargers decided to back out of the deal then the Giants would have gotten stuck with Rivers.


Someone posted the rules. It was banned. You can't trade drafted players until under contract now.
Time to stop the tip toe  
Thegratefulhead : 4/26/2024 3:56 pm : link
You were wrong!

The Giants.

Who actuallly know what play was called

Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.

All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.

The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.

Mara made them do it.

Or

Schoen must incompetent.

It could not possibly be.

You’re the dunce.

Dunning Kruger.
RE: Time to stop the tip toe  
Mike from Ohio : 4/26/2024 3:58 pm : link
In comment 16492240 Thegratefulhead said:
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You were wrong!

The Giants.

Who actuallly know what play was called

Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.

All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.

The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.

Mara made them do it.

Or

Schoen must incompetent.

It could not possibly be.

You’re the dunce.

Dunning Kruger.


It's hard to take you seriously when you don't know how to type in sentences.
The Giants like JJM  
ajr2456 : 4/26/2024 3:59 pm : link
Just not more than Nabers.
RE: Time to stop the tip toe  
ThomasG : 4/26/2024 4:01 pm : link
In comment 16492240 Thegratefulhead said:
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You were wrong!

The Giants.

Who actuallly know what play was called

Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.

All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.

The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.

Mara made them do it.

Or

Schoen must incompetent.

It could not possibly be.

You’re the dunce.

Dunning Kruger.


RE: well  
JonC : 4/26/2024 4:02 pm : link
In comment 16492036 Eric from BBI said:
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that would jive with what we were being told.


Yep.
JJM was more valuable and viable  
BigBlueCane : 4/26/2024 4:02 pm : link
then Nabers is.

Even an average QB is worth more then an amazing WR.
Not over the long haul  
JonC : 4/26/2024 4:05 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/26/2024 4:06 pm : link
Listen, I’ll bash the Giants as much as the next guy, but how does this reflect badly on NYG? The Pats didn’t want to move back to six because they didn’t think JJM would be there. That was their call and nothing Giants could do otherwise.
Reason?  
JonC : 4/26/2024 4:07 pm : link
See contract: Daniel Jones ... stupid to pay market rate (and far more in our case) for a very average QB. Bent over the barrel in QB hell.
RE: JJM was more valuable and viable  
ajr2456 : 4/26/2024 4:07 pm : link
In comment 16492262 BigBlueCane said:
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then Nabers is.

Even an average QB is worth more then an amazing WR.


I’d take an elite WR over an average QB 100 times out of 100. If you have an average QB you’re stuck in QB hell.

I think McCarthy will be a lot better than average, but the Giants were not sold enough to take him over Nabers
We are in QB hell right now  
BigBlueCane : 4/26/2024 4:09 pm : link
that's the point.

We're not getting out of as long as Jones is on the roster.

Period. Full stop.

RE: The Giants like JJM  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 4:11 pm : link
In comment 16492255 ajr2456 said:
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Just not more than Nabers.


You think they would have taken him if LAC went Nabers? I just can't see them having a first rd grade on JJM at this point. I think GiantGrit and Woodstock were right plus Rico said he was always a smokescreen too. If they liked him I think they would've taken him at 6 or traded down and taken him. I tend to believe they didn't have him in their 15 first round graded players.
We are in QB hell  
JonC : 4/26/2024 4:12 pm : link
but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ...
None of that makes sense  
Bleedblue10 : 4/26/2024 4:13 pm : link
Lombardi is a blowhole. If NE wanted a trade with the chargers they would’ve gotten it(from 6). Chargers were taking Alt and everyone knew what NE was doing if they traded down to 6. Arizona I believe about not wanting to move but then again we all knew why. So if NE wanted JJ at 6 or 5 they def could’ve made that happen. I call CAP!
RE: RE: JJM was more valuable and viable  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 4:14 pm : link
In comment 16492277 ajr2456 said:
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then Nabers is.

Even an average QB is worth more then an amazing WR.



I’d take an elite WR over an average QB 100 times out of 100. If you have an average QB you’re stuck in QB hell.

I think McCarthy will be a lot better than average, but the Giants were not sold enough to take him over Nabers


Daboll must have felt he couldn't improve his release, throwing motion, touch and accuracy on the money balls. Or else I can't see them passing on him. At least that's how I'm reasoning it.
RE: We are in QB hell  
Sean : 4/26/2024 4:15 pm : link
In comment 16492285 JonC said:
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but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ...

We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.
RE: None of that makes sense  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 4:15 pm : link
In comment 16492286 Bleedblue10 said:
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Lombardi is a blowhole. If NE wanted a trade with the chargers they would’ve gotten it(from 6). Chargers were taking Alt and everyone knew what NE was doing if they traded down to 6. Arizona I believe about not wanting to move but then again we all knew why. So if NE wanted JJ at 6 or 5 they def could’ve made that happen. I call CAP!


Minnesota hyping up their love for JJM could have scared NE away. AZ and LAC probably couldn't give a guarantee they wouldn't trade and couldn't say what it would cost without knowing what other teams would offer.
I’m not seeing the supposed risk  
Bleedblue10 : 4/26/2024 4:16 pm : link
If they wanted to trade w us they could’ve. I believe they just wanted more and more and Schoen(and Minnesota) for that matter had to draw a line somewhere where it wasn’t ridiculous. Those articles about a “kings ransom” and “legendary haul” were prob true. Fuck NE anyway. Something tells me they enjoyed sticking it to us after SB46 and 42
JJM was a better option then hanging onto Jones for another year  
BigBlueCane : 4/26/2024 4:16 pm : link
Again, this was a mistake and unless the team manages to really, really overperform this year, it will likely cost Daboll his job and Schoen front office power.
RE: RE: Time to stop the tip toe  
Thegratefulhead : 4/26/2024 4:16 pm : link
In comment 16492249 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 16492240 Thegratefulhead said:


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You were wrong!

The Giants.

Who actuallly know what play was called

Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.

All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.

The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.

Mara made them do it.

Or

Schoen must incompetent.

It could not possibly be.

You’re the dunce.

Dunning Kruger.



It's hard to take you seriously when you don't know how to type in sentences.
OK Mikey

Are you one of the tools that’s says.

Daniel Jones can’t read defenses or please be specific in your criticisms.

The Giants passed on 3 QBs that were drafted in round 1

The Giants have the best scouting on Daniel Jones.

I conclude from this that the people on this board insisting Jones can’t read a defense are completely full of shit.



RE: RE: The Giants like JJM  
ajr2456 : 4/26/2024 4:17 pm : link
In comment 16492284 BleedBlue46 said:
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Just not more than Nabers.



You think they would have taken him if LAC went Nabers? I just can't see them having a first rd grade on JJM at this point. I think GiantGrit and Woodstock were right plus Rico said he was always a smokescreen too. If they liked him I think they would've taken him at 6 or traded down and taken him. I tend to believe they didn't have him in their 15 first round graded players.


I think JJM was 3rd on their list at 6.

Nabers
Odunze
RE: RE: We are in QB hell  
Go Terps : 4/26/2024 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16492292 Sean said:
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In comment 16492285 JonC said:


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but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ...


We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.


This sums it up well.
RE: If Giants didn't like McCarthy....they why  
Don from CT : 4/26/2024 4:19 pm : link
In comment 16492058 Andy in Boston said:
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did they have several meetings with him and were in touch with him all the time?


Then why didn't they draft him?
I'd rather they suck  
JonC : 4/26/2024 4:19 pm : link
than pick the wrong QB again.
the problem is the people picking the talent  
BigBlueCane : 4/26/2024 4:21 pm : link
also suck and are incapable of acknowledging that.

CFB has changed the way it does business and you're seeing the smarter NFL franchises react accordingly.

Meanwhile the Giants are gonna run Daniel Mara out there again trying to recapture lighting in the bottle.
Thegratefulhead  
Mike from Ohio : 4/26/2024 4:22 pm : link
Mikey? Are you 12 years old?

I am so glad you

dident

call me a poopy head

could break me poor

admit facts!!
The Giants "didn't like McCarthy",  
Section331 : 4/26/2024 4:23 pm : link
that's some high-level reporting by Lombardi, since the Giants passed on him.

As I've said, if Giants FO didn't have a conviction on JJM, good for them on passing.
If jones wins a playoff game in 24  
Thegratefulhead : 4/26/2024 4:26 pm : link
They will extend him.

Bank on it.

RE: I'd rather they suck  
Go Terps : 4/26/2024 4:27 pm : link
In comment 16492308 JonC said:
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than pick the wrong QB again.


You're going to get both.
23:15 of the link  
jestersdead : 4/26/2024 4:27 pm : link
"The quarterback makes the receiver, the receiver doesn't make the quarterback"
RE: the problem is the people picking the talent  
JonC : 4/26/2024 4:28 pm : link
In comment 16492311 BigBlueCane said:
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also suck and are incapable of acknowledging that.

CFB has changed the way it does business and you're seeing the smarter NFL franchises react accordingly.

Meanwhile the Giants are gonna run Daniel Mara out there again trying to recapture lighting in the bottle.


This I can agree with, at a minimum they're green and not sticking to a plan. But, picking JJ wouldn't solve the QB problems imo.
RE: Thegratefulhead  
Thegratefulhead : 4/26/2024 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16492312 Mike from Ohio said:
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Mikey? Are you 12 years old?

I am so glad you

dident

call me a poopy head

could break me poor

admit facts!!
What facts homey?

The Giants did not draft a QB.

What does that mean?

Explain it?

Mara made them do it.

Show me on the doll where Mara hurt you.

You couldn’t possibly be wrong, I get it.




RE: the problem is the people picking the talent  
Mbavaro : 4/26/2024 4:31 pm : link
In comment 16492311 BigBlueCane said:
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also suck and are incapable of acknowledging that.

CFB has changed the way it does business and you're seeing the smarter NFL franchises react accordingly.

Meanwhile the Giants are gonna run Daniel Mara out there again trying to recapture lighting in the bottle.


They do
Guess you are one of those guys who evaluates a draft class after a year or two

Maybe you can enlighten us how other franchises are adjusting and our heads are in the sand
Silly TGH  
Thegratefulhead : 4/26/2024 4:36 pm : link
I wanted a QB but love the player they drafted and am hopeful we can have a good season. It seems like a lot of talent. I was bullish at the start of 23 but the injuries and schedule scuttled the season early. I like the offseason moves and believe they might be able to protect Jones.

If that happens I think Jones could deliver the ball to playmakers in space and with the increased team speed believe it could be productive. Excited for 24. I see many people bailing on the season because they did not get their way in round 1.

Toddlers, no other description is appropriate.
RE: RE: We are in QB hell  
UConn4523 : 4/26/2024 4:39 pm : link
In comment 16492292 Sean said:
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but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ...


We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.


You can also be wrong. QB play can exceed your expectations. The D could play well and keep us around .500. We are no longer going to rely on our run game to win games, which is what everyone wanted. The OL might be better, we finally have a WR corps.

It’s not all bad.
RE: RE: RE: The Giants like JJM  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 4:41 pm : link
In comment 16492303 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 16492255 ajr2456 said:


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Just not more than Nabers.



You think they would have taken him if LAC went Nabers? I just can't see them having a first rd grade on JJM at this point. I think GiantGrit and Woodstock were right plus Rico said he was always a smokescreen too. If they liked him I think they would've taken him at 6 or traded down and taken him. I tend to believe they didn't have him in their 15 first round graded players.



I think JJM was 3rd on their list at 6.

Nabers
Odunze


Well then there was 0% chance. I was honestly praying LAC took Nabers thinking maybe that would give us a better chance at JJM. I'm fine with it though, Nabers is as elite of a wr prospect as you'll find. It is what it is.
RE: Silly TGH  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 4:43 pm : link
In comment 16492342 Thegratefulhead said:
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I wanted a QB but love the player they drafted and am hopeful we can have a good season. It seems like a lot of talent. I was bullish at the start of 23 but the injuries and schedule scuttled the season early. I like the offseason moves and believe they might be able to protect Jones.

If that happens I think Jones could deliver the ball to playmakers in space and with the increased team speed believe it could be productive. Excited for 24. I see many people bailing on the season because they did not get their way in round 1.

Toddlers, no other description is appropriate.


No matter who we got we were unlikely to be very good in 2024. That's why it's great we saved that 2025 1st. Look at our schedule. We will have 5-8 wins and be picking 3-12 in the draft my friend.
Picking JJM does solve the problem  
BigBlueCane : 4/26/2024 4:44 pm : link
by giving the franchise a sense of hope and feeling of change. Might he still crash and burn? Yes. but at least you'd have a chance of something positive.

Keeping the status quo was the most tone deaf move they've made since JS arrived.
RE: Picking JJM does solve the problem  
Mbavaro : 4/26/2024 4:47 pm : link
In comment 16492354 BigBlueCane said:
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by giving the franchise a sense of hope and feeling of change. Might he still crash and burn? Yes. but at least you'd have a chance of something positive.

Keeping the status quo was the most tone deaf move they've made since JS arrived.


So they should draft a QB that they don’t have a conviction on? But they should draft one based upon feelings?

Please tell us more
picking 3-12 in a weaker draft  
BigBlueCane : 4/26/2024 4:47 pm : link
is not a positive. Again, look at what NIL is doing to the collegiate ranks when it comes to talent distribution.
Gives you hope  
JonC : 4/26/2024 4:48 pm : link
A chunk of the fan base, but I don't expect the organization to run that way.

If they got Maye, I'd be ecstatic. If they passed on Maye, I'd feel like you do about JJ. I just don't agree on the prospect.
RE: RE: RE: We are in QB hell  
Thegratefulhead : 4/26/2024 4:49 pm : link
In comment 16492345 UConn4523 said:
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but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ...


We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.



You can also be wrong. QB play can exceed your expectations. The D could play well and keep us around .500. We are no longer going to rely on our run game to win games, which is what everyone wanted. The OL might be better, we finally have a WR corps.

It’s not all bad.
This is the critical piece. Nabers presence could drastically change the way teams play us. It could open up the rest of the offense in the way we expected Waller to do. The addition of Waller was a large part of the reason BW predicted the Giants would win 11 games in 23. If t his happens and Jones produces, some very vocal high volume posters are going to look monumentally stupid.

These people post so much , that their opinions have become VERY important to them.

So today, they are mad.

I have to admit BBI is a lot of fun to read today.

All day baby!
I think it mostly comes down to the fact that  
LW_Giants : 4/26/2024 4:50 pm : link
they JUST gave DJ that enormous contract and they're not ready or willing to admit it was a mistake. It's a ton of money they are paying him this year, regardless of whether they had drafted a QB. I think they were only willing to eat that money if it was for someone they viewed as a generational prospect and Maye was the only one they felt fit that description.

The Giants don't like admitting mistakes quickly, and Mara in particular, takes a very long time to move on from guys he really likes.

They'd never admit it, but I'm pretty sure they realize the likelihood of a playoff caliber season is pretty small this year.

My fear is they have a season slightly better than last year, but still not good enough to make the playoffs and then restructure and extend Jones because they're not high enough in the draft to get a QB in 2025.

They are in that weird zone of being too good to pick top 5 and not good enough to be a playoff contender. It's a really shitty place to be.
Well, we knew it was a possibility, LW  
JonC : 4/26/2024 4:55 pm : link
history informed it as such.

I don't know what has to happen for them to make a correct decision on Jones.
RE: Well, we knew it was a possibility, LW  
LW_Giants : 4/26/2024 4:56 pm : link
In comment 16492399 JonC said:
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history informed it as such.

I don't know what has to happen for them to make a correct decision on Jones.


Yep, if you go back to January/February, a lot of this was predicted by people on BBI. Add that to the list of problems, the franchise is predictable in just about everything they do.
RE: I think it mostly comes down to the fact that  
Big Rick in FL : 4/26/2024 4:56 pm : link
In comment 16492387 LW_Giants said:
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they JUST gave DJ that enormous contract and they're not ready or willing to admit it was a mistake. It's a ton of money they are paying him this year, regardless of whether they had drafted a QB. I think they were only willing to eat that money if it was for someone they viewed as a generational prospect and Maye was the only one they felt fit that description.

The Giants don't like admitting mistakes quickly, and Mara in particular, takes a very long time to move on from guys he really likes.

They'd never admit it, but I'm pretty sure they realize the likelihood of a playoff caliber season is pretty small this year.

My fear is they have a season slightly better than last year, but still not good enough to make the playoffs and then restructure and extend Jones because they're not high enough in the draft to get a QB in 2025.

They are in that weird zone of being too good to pick top 5 and not good enough to be a playoff contender. It's a really shitty place to be.


If they weren't ready to move on they wouldn't have attempted to trade up for a QB.
RE: I think it mostly comes down to the fact that  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16492387 LW_Giants said:
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they JUST gave DJ that enormous contract and they're not ready or willing to admit it was a mistake. It's a ton of money they are paying him this year, regardless of whether they had drafted a QB. I think they were only willing to eat that money if it was for someone they viewed as a generational prospect and Maye was the only one they felt fit that description.

The Giants don't like admitting mistakes quickly, and Mara in particular, takes a very long time to move on from guys he really likes.

They'd never admit it, but I'm pretty sure they realize the likelihood of a playoff caliber season is pretty small this year.

My fear is they have a season slightly better than last year, but still not good enough to make the playoffs and then restructure and extend Jones because they're not high enough in the draft to get a QB in 2025.

They are in that weird zone of being too good to pick top 5 and not good enough to be a playoff contender. It's a really shitty place to be.


Look at the QB needy teams and tell me how likely we are to be picking ahead of them all: NYJ, TB, NO, PIT, CLE, SEA, DAL, LV, LAR. We will have a better shot at a good qb prospect next year than this year. And many here underrate the QB prospects next year: Dart, Ward, Sanders, Ewers, Beck, Milroe, Leonard, Allar and others. There will be 3-4 in the 1st. It will be nothing like the Kenny Pickett qb draft class.
RE: Well, we knew it was a possibility, LW  
Mbavaro : 4/26/2024 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16492399 JonC said:
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history informed it as such.

I don't know what has to happen for them to make a correct decision on Jones.


They have to find a QB that they have conviction on

They felt Maye was that guy….unfortunately it takes two to tango
Nabers isn't going to change anything  
BigBlueCane : 4/26/2024 5:11 pm : link
b/c the offense still requires a QB to execute it.

And the Giants don't have one.

What will likely happen based on what we've seen of his personality so far is him making a Sportscenter Highlight reel catch every week or so ... and the Giants still losing the game.

Leading to the inevitable result.

Also people may disagree with the prospect right now but as I've told people over and over again, the values and grading scales used by the scouts need to be updated and reweighted to account for what's going on with the game now. An Average or good QB is far superior to the best WR in terms of impact and influence on the game now.
RE: Time to stop the tip toe  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2024 5:12 pm : link
In comment 16492240 Thegratefulhead said:
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You were wrong!

The Giants.

Who actuallly know what play was called

Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.

All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.

The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.

Mara made them do it.

Or

Schoen must incompetent.

It could not possibly be.

You’re the dunce.

Dunning Kruger.

Literally the only thing you can actually say with any sort of confidence and/or validity is that the Giants had a higher grade on Nabers than they did on McCarthy, Penix, or Nix.

That's it.

Doesn't say a fucking thing about Jones despite your desperation to claim otherwise.
RE: RE: I think it mostly comes down to the fact that  
LW_Giants : 4/26/2024 5:13 pm : link
In comment 16492406 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 16492387 LW_Giants said:


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they JUST gave DJ that enormous contract and they're not ready or willing to admit it was a mistake. It's a ton of money they are paying him this year, regardless of whether they had drafted a QB. I think they were only willing to eat that money if it was for someone they viewed as a generational prospect and Maye was the only one they felt fit that description.

The Giants don't like admitting mistakes quickly, and Mara in particular, takes a very long time to move on from guys he really likes.

They'd never admit it, but I'm pretty sure they realize the likelihood of a playoff caliber season is pretty small this year.

My fear is they have a season slightly better than last year, but still not good enough to make the playoffs and then restructure and extend Jones because they're not high enough in the draft to get a QB in 2025.

They are in that weird zone of being too good to pick top 5 and not good enough to be a playoff contender. It's a really shitty place to be.



If they weren't ready to move on they wouldn't have attempted to trade up for a QB.


As I said I think they were willing to move on, but only if they found someone they thought was a generational talent. You have to scout and meet these guys to decide who that person is, they decided it was Maye.

What I’m saying and what you’re saying are not mutually exclusive
Drafting a QB you don’t have conviction in  
DeVito32 : 4/26/2024 5:22 pm : link
Doesn’t get you out of QB hell. It could very well prolong QB hell.

They wanted Maye. They made a strong push for Maye and were denied. There’s not much else for them to do. They didn’t like the other 3 QBs

So they took the best player available which was also a major need.
it might prolong QB hell  
BigBlueCane : 4/26/2024 5:33 pm : link
but keeping status quo, WILL prolong QB hell.

Hence the difference.
The end of the season  
Dankbeerman : 4/26/2024 6:04 pm : link
nobody thought we had a chance at Nabers let alone one of the big 3 QBs and JJ was a borderline 2nd rounder.

Some things change but keep perspwctive if JJ played for NC state nobody qoyld caee that we passed on him. Some time being the last guy playing makes you look good.
I don't feel like reading back through this entire thread  
Jay on the Island : 4/26/2024 6:33 pm : link
I am sure someone asked this but I will ask anyway, If this deal fell through because NE was sure that McCarthy wouldn't be there at 6 then why didn't they contact the Giants when they were on the clock at 6 and McCarthy was there? This could have been another Eli Manning type of trade.
no one around here was saying "QB hell"  
santacruzom : 4/26/2024 6:33 pm : link
Until Gettleman coined it. Yuck, his ghost lingers on.
RE: it might prolong QB hell  
DeVito32 : 4/26/2024 6:45 pm : link
In comment 16492509 BigBlueCane said:
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but keeping status quo, WILL prolong QB hell.

Hence the difference.


They’re not keeping status quo. They tried hard to move up to get Maye. Offered a haul. Got denied. I don’t know what to tell you but they didn’t like JJM, Nix or Penix. They saw Nabers as a superior prospect.

There was a good chance all along the Giants were going to miss out on the QBs they wanted. This team wasn’t going to be fixed in 1 year. Just because DJ is on the team this year doesn’t mean he’s still in their plans for 2025. Hell, there’s a chance he doesn’t even play this year and Lock plays all year. Giants will be all in on a QB next year.
they are keeping the status quo  
BigBlueCane : 4/26/2024 11:30 pm : link
Despite the glowing reports from the draftniks, one cold hard truth remains.

This is a QB driven league and if you don't have one, you don't have a prayer.

JJM might be one, he might not be one, can't say right now. But we do know that DJ isn't one. And will never be one.

So the Giants, once again, don't have a prayer. They are facing another season that's likely going to be over by Thanksgiving. And we'll be having the same inane arguments about 'the value wasn't there', etc... Because the same group of experts can't accept the game has changed that dramatically.
NFC title game last year was Goff vs Purdy  
Metnut : 4/26/2024 11:35 pm : link
A loaded roster can contend even with only a serviceable QB. Giants should keep trying to upgrade QB, and commit no new money to Jones, but I like what they are doing this draft.
RE: they are keeping the status quo  
Go Terps : 4/27/2024 1:00 am : link
In comment 16494219 BigBlueCane said:
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Despite the glowing reports from the draftniks, one cold hard truth remains.

This is a QB driven league and if you don't have one, you don't have a prayer.

JJM might be one, he might not be one, can't say right now. But we do know that DJ isn't one. And will never be one.

So the Giants, once again, don't have a prayer. They are facing another season that's likely going to be over by Thanksgiving. And we'll be having the same inane arguments about 'the value wasn't there', etc... Because the same group of experts can't accept the game has changed that dramatically.


This is a great fucking post.
RE: We are in QB hell right now  
Fifty Six : 4/27/2024 6:10 am : link
In comment 16492280 BigBlueCane said:
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that's the point.

We're not getting out of as long as Jones is on the roster.

Period. Full stop.


False. We are building a roster, if a QB comes up that the team loves they will see if the cost to acquire him is reasonable. The only QB they loved in this draft was Maye. The cost was not reasonable and the Pats were also sold. QB is important. Jones is the QB. It is what it is. Root for him to win or dont.
RE: I don't feel like reading back through this entire thread  
eclipz928 : 4/27/2024 6:35 am : link
In comment 16492691 Jay on the Island said:
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I am sure someone asked this but I will ask anyway, If this deal fell through because NE was sure that McCarthy wouldn't be there at 6 then why didn't they contact the Giants when they were on the clock at 6 and McCarthy was there? This could have been another Eli Manning type of trade.

The most logical answer is that it's bogus reporting that the Patriots would have taken McCarthy at 6. I think some people here are just having a tough time accepting that McCarthy wasn't valued as highly by most teams as they thought he should be.

McCarthy was never going to be drafted in the top 6 because he's simply not worth that. Neither was Daniel Jones - which is why I've continued to be so amazed by some fans here eagerness to want to potentially repeat history.
RE: I don't feel like reading back through this entire thread  
Sean : 4/27/2024 6:36 am : link
In comment 16492691 Jay on the Island said:
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I am sure someone asked this but I will ask anyway, If this deal fell through because NE was sure that McCarthy wouldn't be there at 6 then why didn't they contact the Giants when they were on the clock at 6 and McCarthy was there? This could have been another Eli Manning type of trade.

That type of trade is no longer legal in the NFL. A player has to be signed to be traded.
Fifty Six  
BigBlueCane : 4/27/2024 7:18 am : link
building a roster requires harsher internal scouting and evaluations then this team has demonstrated they are capable of doing.

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