A lot of talk about the asshat reports here. Lombardi is saying NYG offered a 2025 first for Maye, but the issue was NE felt dropping to 6 was too risky to hope JJM was there. Obviously it would have worked for them, but that was the sticking point.
Lombardi said NYG was all in on Maye and did not like McCarthy. Linked below. Discussion starts at 23:00 mark.
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Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.
They were banned.
Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.
This isn't allowed aymore
Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.
You can't trade a player until they're under contract once drafted.
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that would jive with what we were being told.
They were banned.
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i dont believe ne was willing to move off him to jjm just to pick up picks, even if they were good picks.
sean payton had nix ahead of jjm and chose not to move ahead of MIN for what probably would have only cost a 3rd round pick.
the nyg and min (oconnell, pretty good coach) had jjm seemingly a full tier below maye.
atlanta chose penix over jjm.
i was/am a JJM fan. belichek seemed most complimentary of him vs all the qbs including maye/daniels. but it doesn't seem that was a widely agreed with view.
Why is it bullshit that they like more than 1 QB?
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that would jive with what we were being told.
They were banned.
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He meant to respons to S&S's post.
The Giants are run terribly these days.
so what- that is what we wanted, them to identify the QB they wanted. You are mad that it wasn't Penix or any QB basically.. I wanted Maye and am glad they tried but disappointed how it worked out. You can't blame them for liking a prospect instead of just a position.
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did they have several meetings with him and were in touch with him all the time?
The Giants are run terribly these days.
Why did they do their due diligence? Is that really the question? Also if Nabers went 5th to LAC... who do we pick? I am not sure if it was Rome next in line. I heard trade down and if that was the case JJM might have been in that mix.
Is this a serious question?
Hope this helps some of the posters who are worried that the Giants still love Jones and didn't try to get a new QB.
He and Rich Eisen were basically crying on the latter's show the day before the draft when describing meeting and talking with all the people in the NYG Front Office. He was like already part of the family it seemed.
Hope this helps some of the posters who are worried that the Giants still love Jones and didn't try to get a new QB.
That is logical. However I can’t believe they couldn’t get a deal done with LA for 5. In the end, they probably said “screw this hassle”.
Why would they scout someone they didn't like?
How would they know if they liked him without scouting him?
1. CHI QB Caleb ☑️
2. WASH QB Jayden ☑️
3. NE plan:
-HIGHLY LIKELY the Pats stick and pick Maye.
-Would only move back if A. They get a HAUL to move back and B. They have a 2nd trade in place with AZ at 4 or LAC at 5 to move back up for JJ McCarthy. *And remember, Ossenfort spent 15 years in NE, so there’s a relationship there.
4 AZ plan:
-Stay at 4 and take MHJ.
-Trade back to 6 with NYG or NE (* see 👆 ) and still take MHJ.
5 LAC plan:
-Stay at 5 and take OT Alt (or I’m hearing maybe Latham over Alt?).
-Move back to 11 and take OT Latham.
6 NYG plan:
-Plan A: Want to move up to 3 for Maye. Don’t think NE will agree to move, but that’s what I hear NYG wants most.
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did they have several meetings with him and were in touch with him all the time?
The Giants are run terribly these days.
So you have an issue with doing your due diligence and trying to actually create some misdirected interest to gain an upper hand? This is exactly what people crucified Gettelman for not doing.
Puzzling.
They changed the rules... you can't do that Eli/Rivers draft and trade anymore.
He and Rich Eisen were basically crying on the latter's show the day before the draft when describing meeting and talking with all the people in the NYG Front Office. He was like already part of the family it seemed.
[sigh] he is in a better place
I’m liking WR1b very well.
Puzzling.
💯 THIS 👆🏻
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hear his name called at #6.
He and Rich Eisen were basically crying on the latter's show the day before the draft when describing meeting and talking with all the people in the NYG Front Office. He was like already part of the family it seemed.
[sigh] he is in a better place
Sad but true, some decent weapons in Minn.
That's if they let JJ throw more than 8 times per game :-)
He and Rich Eisen were basically crying on the latter's show the day before the draft when describing meeting and talking with all the people in the NYG Front Office. He was like already part of the family it seemed.
Actually, JJM said at the combine when interviewed live that he wanted to go to the Vikings. I bet they are thrilled. It's the best spot to go out of all the QB landing teams.
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did they have several meetings with him and were in touch with him all the time?
The Giants are run terribly these days.
Why did they do their due diligence? Is that really the question? Also if Nabers went 5th to LAC... who do we pick? I am not sure if it was Rome next in line. I heard trade down and if that was the case JJM might have been in that mix.
If JJM was remotely close, then they would have taken him. I doubt he was one of the 15 they had with 1st rd grades tbh. And this is coming from someone who really believed in JJM as a prospect.
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where if McCarthy falls to 6 Giants draft him and then they make the trade? Kinda like 2004 Eli/Rivers
Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.
This isn't allowed aymore
Which seems ridiculous in my opinion.
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We have Maye and they get JJ with the picks?
Puzzling.
💯 THIS 👆🏻
Once again, you can't do this anymore. I think this is going to backfire on NE, Maye isn't going to be elite. He's going to struggle with pressure worse in the NFL than in college. JJM will be good in Minnesota. They will regret this. At least we won't regret Nabers even if JJM is good in Minnesota, I don't see Nabers busting in any way shape or form.
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hear his name called at #6.
He and Rich Eisen were basically crying on the latter's show the day before the draft when describing meeting and talking with all the people in the NYG Front Office. He was like already part of the family it seemed.
Actually, JJM said at the combine when interviewed live that he wanted to go to the Vikings. I bet they are thrilled. It's the best spot to go out of all the QB landing teams.
That was before he had the greatest pro-day ever for a QB and became a household name. And did that fun Easter Egg hunt with our front office personnel.
Puzzling.
As stated, this is not allowed anymore.
Again, that's no longer allowed in the NFL.
Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.
Yup.
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hear his name called at #6.
He and Rich Eisen were basically crying on the latter's show the day before the draft when describing meeting and talking with all the people in the NYG Front Office. He was like already part of the family it seemed.
Actually, JJM said at the combine when interviewed live that he wanted to go to the Vikings. I bet they are thrilled. It's the best spot to go out of all the QB landing teams.
That was before he had the greatest pro-day ever for a QB and became a household name. And did that fun Easter Egg hunt with our front office personnel.
Lol, I love the humor. JJM definitely landed in the best spot possible and he's close to home too. His camp is certainly thrilled. NE and NYG were the worst possible spots for QBs to land.
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where if McCarthy falls to 6 Giants draft him and then they make the trade? Kinda like 2004 Eli/Rivers
Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.
Yup.
They aren't allowed, for the third time.
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where if McCarthy falls to 6 Giants draft him and then they make the trade? Kinda like 2004 Eli/Rivers
Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.
You can't trade a player until they're under contract once drafted.
Ok I stand corrected if that’s the case.
It’s a funny rule if true. Why ban it?
gold jacket guy
Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.
exactly!!!! this cant possibly be true, a third grader could have worked around this issue
I don’t think it was ever explicitly banned but if the Chargers decided to back out of the deal then the Giants would have gotten stuck with Rivers.
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I think it was the Eli trade that caused it.
I don’t think it was ever explicitly banned but if the Chargers decided to back out of the deal then the Giants would have gotten stuck with Rivers.
Someone posted the rules. It was banned. You can't trade drafted players until under contract now.
The Giants.
Who actuallly know what play was called
Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.
All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.
The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.
Mara made them do it.
Or
Schoen must incompetent.
It could not possibly be.
You’re the dunce.
Dunning Kruger.
The Giants.
Who actuallly know what play was called
Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.
All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.
The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.
Mara made them do it.
Or
Schoen must incompetent.
It could not possibly be.
You’re the dunce.
Dunning Kruger.
It's hard to take you seriously when you don't know how to type in sentences.
The Giants.
Who actuallly know what play was called
Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.
All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.
The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.
Mara made them do it.
Or
Schoen must incompetent.
It could not possibly be.
You’re the dunce.
Dunning Kruger.
Yep.
Even an average QB is worth more then an amazing WR.
Even an average QB is worth more then an amazing WR.
I’d take an elite WR over an average QB 100 times out of 100. If you have an average QB you’re stuck in QB hell.
I think McCarthy will be a lot better than average, but the Giants were not sold enough to take him over Nabers
We're not getting out of as long as Jones is on the roster.
Period. Full stop.
You think they would have taken him if LAC went Nabers? I just can't see them having a first rd grade on JJM at this point. I think GiantGrit and Woodstock were right plus Rico said he was always a smokescreen too. If they liked him I think they would've taken him at 6 or traded down and taken him. I tend to believe they didn't have him in their 15 first round graded players.
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then Nabers is.
Even an average QB is worth more then an amazing WR.
I’d take an elite WR over an average QB 100 times out of 100. If you have an average QB you’re stuck in QB hell.
I think McCarthy will be a lot better than average, but the Giants were not sold enough to take him over Nabers
Daboll must have felt he couldn't improve his release, throwing motion, touch and accuracy on the money balls. Or else I can't see them passing on him. At least that's how I'm reasoning it.
We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.
Minnesota hyping up their love for JJM could have scared NE away. AZ and LAC probably couldn't give a guarantee they wouldn't trade and couldn't say what it would cost without knowing what other teams would offer.
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You were wrong!
The Giants.
Who actuallly know what play was called
Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.
All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.
The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.
Mara made them do it.
Or
Schoen must incompetent.
It could not possibly be.
You’re the dunce.
Dunning Kruger.
It's hard to take you seriously when you don't know how to type in sentences.
Are you one of the tools that’s says.
Daniel Jones can’t read defenses or please be specific in your criticisms.
The Giants passed on 3 QBs that were drafted in round 1
The Giants have the best scouting on Daniel Jones.
I conclude from this that the people on this board insisting Jones can’t read a defense are completely full of shit.
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Just not more than Nabers.
You think they would have taken him if LAC went Nabers? I just can't see them having a first rd grade on JJM at this point. I think GiantGrit and Woodstock were right plus Rico said he was always a smokescreen too. If they liked him I think they would've taken him at 6 or traded down and taken him. I tend to believe they didn't have him in their 15 first round graded players.
I think JJM was 3rd on their list at 6.
Nabers
Odunze
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but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ...
We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.
This sums it up well.
Then why didn't they draft him?
CFB has changed the way it does business and you're seeing the smarter NFL franchises react accordingly.
Meanwhile the Giants are gonna run Daniel Mara out there again trying to recapture lighting in the bottle.
I am so glad you
dident
call me a poopy head
could break me poor
admit facts!!
As I've said, if Giants FO didn't have a conviction on JJM, good for them on passing.
Bank on it.
You're going to get both.
CFB has changed the way it does business and you're seeing the smarter NFL franchises react accordingly.
Meanwhile the Giants are gonna run Daniel Mara out there again trying to recapture lighting in the bottle.
This I can agree with, at a minimum they're green and not sticking to a plan. But, picking JJ wouldn't solve the QB problems imo.
I am so glad you
dident
call me a poopy head
could break me poor
admit facts!!
The Giants did not draft a QB.
What does that mean?
Explain it?
Mara made them do it.
Show me on the doll where Mara hurt you.
You couldn’t possibly be wrong, I get it.
CFB has changed the way it does business and you're seeing the smarter NFL franchises react accordingly.
Meanwhile the Giants are gonna run Daniel Mara out there again trying to recapture lighting in the bottle.
They do
Guess you are one of those guys who evaluates a draft class after a year or two
Maybe you can enlighten us how other franchises are adjusting and our heads are in the sand
If that happens I think Jones could deliver the ball to playmakers in space and with the increased team speed believe it could be productive. Excited for 24. I see many people bailing on the season because they did not get their way in round 1.
Toddlers, no other description is appropriate.
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but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ...
We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.
You can also be wrong. QB play can exceed your expectations. The D could play well and keep us around .500. We are no longer going to rely on our run game to win games, which is what everyone wanted. The OL might be better, we finally have a WR corps.
It’s not all bad.
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Just not more than Nabers.
You think they would have taken him if LAC went Nabers? I just can't see them having a first rd grade on JJM at this point. I think GiantGrit and Woodstock were right plus Rico said he was always a smokescreen too. If they liked him I think they would've taken him at 6 or traded down and taken him. I tend to believe they didn't have him in their 15 first round graded players.
I think JJM was 3rd on their list at 6.
Nabers
Odunze
Well then there was 0% chance. I was honestly praying LAC took Nabers thinking maybe that would give us a better chance at JJM. I'm fine with it though, Nabers is as elite of a wr prospect as you'll find. It is what it is.
If that happens I think Jones could deliver the ball to playmakers in space and with the increased team speed believe it could be productive. Excited for 24. I see many people bailing on the season because they did not get their way in round 1.
Toddlers, no other description is appropriate.
No matter who we got we were unlikely to be very good in 2024. That's why it's great we saved that 2025 1st. Look at our schedule. We will have 5-8 wins and be picking 3-12 in the draft my friend.
Keeping the status quo was the most tone deaf move they've made since JS arrived.
Keeping the status quo was the most tone deaf move they've made since JS arrived.
So they should draft a QB that they don’t have a conviction on? But they should draft one based upon feelings?
Please tell us more
If they got Maye, I'd be ecstatic. If they passed on Maye, I'd feel like you do about JJ. I just don't agree on the prospect.
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but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ...
We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.
You can also be wrong. QB play can exceed your expectations. The D could play well and keep us around .500. We are no longer going to rely on our run game to win games, which is what everyone wanted. The OL might be better, we finally have a WR corps.
It’s not all bad.
These people post so much , that their opinions have become VERY important to them.
So today, they are mad.
I have to admit BBI is a lot of fun to read today.
All day baby!
The Giants don't like admitting mistakes quickly, and Mara in particular, takes a very long time to move on from guys he really likes.
They'd never admit it, but I'm pretty sure they realize the likelihood of a playoff caliber season is pretty small this year.
My fear is they have a season slightly better than last year, but still not good enough to make the playoffs and then restructure and extend Jones because they're not high enough in the draft to get a QB in 2025.
They are in that weird zone of being too good to pick top 5 and not good enough to be a playoff contender. It's a really shitty place to be.
I don't know what has to happen for them to make a correct decision on Jones.
I don't know what has to happen for them to make a correct decision on Jones.
Yep, if you go back to January/February, a lot of this was predicted by people on BBI. Add that to the list of problems, the franchise is predictable in just about everything they do.
The Giants don't like admitting mistakes quickly, and Mara in particular, takes a very long time to move on from guys he really likes.
They'd never admit it, but I'm pretty sure they realize the likelihood of a playoff caliber season is pretty small this year.
My fear is they have a season slightly better than last year, but still not good enough to make the playoffs and then restructure and extend Jones because they're not high enough in the draft to get a QB in 2025.
They are in that weird zone of being too good to pick top 5 and not good enough to be a playoff contender. It's a really shitty place to be.
If they weren't ready to move on they wouldn't have attempted to trade up for a QB.
The Giants don't like admitting mistakes quickly, and Mara in particular, takes a very long time to move on from guys he really likes.
They'd never admit it, but I'm pretty sure they realize the likelihood of a playoff caliber season is pretty small this year.
My fear is they have a season slightly better than last year, but still not good enough to make the playoffs and then restructure and extend Jones because they're not high enough in the draft to get a QB in 2025.
They are in that weird zone of being too good to pick top 5 and not good enough to be a playoff contender. It's a really shitty place to be.
Look at the QB needy teams and tell me how likely we are to be picking ahead of them all: NYJ, TB, NO, PIT, CLE, SEA, DAL, LV, LAR. We will have a better shot at a good qb prospect next year than this year. And many here underrate the QB prospects next year: Dart, Ward, Sanders, Ewers, Beck, Milroe, Leonard, Allar and others. There will be 3-4 in the 1st. It will be nothing like the Kenny Pickett qb draft class.
I don't know what has to happen for them to make a correct decision on Jones.
They have to find a QB that they have conviction on
They felt Maye was that guy….unfortunately it takes two to tango
And the Giants don't have one.
What will likely happen based on what we've seen of his personality so far is him making a Sportscenter Highlight reel catch every week or so ... and the Giants still losing the game.
Leading to the inevitable result.
Also people may disagree with the prospect right now but as I've told people over and over again, the values and grading scales used by the scouts need to be updated and reweighted to account for what's going on with the game now. An Average or good QB is far superior to the best WR in terms of impact and influence on the game now.
The Giants.
Who actuallly know what play was called
Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.
All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.
The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.
Mara made them do it.
Or
Schoen must incompetent.
It could not possibly be.
You’re the dunce.
Dunning Kruger.
Literally the only thing you can actually say with any sort of confidence and/or validity is that the Giants had a higher grade on Nabers than they did on McCarthy, Penix, or Nix.
That's it.
Doesn't say a fucking thing about Jones despite your desperation to claim otherwise.
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they JUST gave DJ that enormous contract and they're not ready or willing to admit it was a mistake. It's a ton of money they are paying him this year, regardless of whether they had drafted a QB. I think they were only willing to eat that money if it was for someone they viewed as a generational prospect and Maye was the only one they felt fit that description.
The Giants don't like admitting mistakes quickly, and Mara in particular, takes a very long time to move on from guys he really likes.
They'd never admit it, but I'm pretty sure they realize the likelihood of a playoff caliber season is pretty small this year.
My fear is they have a season slightly better than last year, but still not good enough to make the playoffs and then restructure and extend Jones because they're not high enough in the draft to get a QB in 2025.
They are in that weird zone of being too good to pick top 5 and not good enough to be a playoff contender. It's a really shitty place to be.
If they weren't ready to move on they wouldn't have attempted to trade up for a QB.
As I said I think they were willing to move on, but only if they found someone they thought was a generational talent. You have to scout and meet these guys to decide who that person is, they decided it was Maye.
What I’m saying and what you’re saying are not mutually exclusive
They wanted Maye. They made a strong push for Maye and were denied. There’s not much else for them to do. They didn’t like the other 3 QBs
So they took the best player available which was also a major need.
Hence the difference.
Some things change but keep perspwctive if JJ played for NC state nobody qoyld caee that we passed on him. Some time being the last guy playing makes you look good.
Hence the difference.
They’re not keeping status quo. They tried hard to move up to get Maye. Offered a haul. Got denied. I don’t know what to tell you but they didn’t like JJM, Nix or Penix. They saw Nabers as a superior prospect.
There was a good chance all along the Giants were going to miss out on the QBs they wanted. This team wasn’t going to be fixed in 1 year. Just because DJ is on the team this year doesn’t mean he’s still in their plans for 2025. Hell, there’s a chance he doesn’t even play this year and Lock plays all year. Giants will be all in on a QB next year.
This is a QB driven league and if you don't have one, you don't have a prayer.
JJM might be one, he might not be one, can't say right now. But we do know that DJ isn't one. And will never be one.
So the Giants, once again, don't have a prayer. They are facing another season that's likely going to be over by Thanksgiving. And we'll be having the same inane arguments about 'the value wasn't there', etc... Because the same group of experts can't accept the game has changed that dramatically.
This is a QB driven league and if you don't have one, you don't have a prayer.
JJM might be one, he might not be one, can't say right now. But we do know that DJ isn't one. And will never be one.
So the Giants, once again, don't have a prayer. They are facing another season that's likely going to be over by Thanksgiving. And we'll be having the same inane arguments about 'the value wasn't there', etc... Because the same group of experts can't accept the game has changed that dramatically.
This is a great fucking post.
We're not getting out of as long as Jones is on the roster.
Period. Full stop.
False. We are building a roster, if a QB comes up that the team loves they will see if the cost to acquire him is reasonable. The only QB they loved in this draft was Maye. The cost was not reasonable and the Pats were also sold. QB is important. Jones is the QB. It is what it is. Root for him to win or dont.
The most logical answer is that it's bogus reporting that the Patriots would have taken McCarthy at 6. I think some people here are just having a tough time accepting that McCarthy wasn't valued as highly by most teams as they thought he should be.
McCarthy was never going to be drafted in the top 6 because he's simply not worth that. Neither was Daniel Jones - which is why I've continued to be so amazed by some fans here eagerness to want to potentially repeat history.
That type of trade is no longer legal in the NFL. A player has to be signed to be traded.