A lot of talk about the asshat reports here. Lombardi is saying NYG offered a 2025 first for Maye, but the issue was NE felt dropping to 6 was too risky to hope JJM was there. Obviously it would have worked for them, but that was the sticking point.
Lombardi said NYG was all in on Maye and did not like McCarthy. Linked below. Discussion starts at 23:00 mark.
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Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.
exactly!!!! this cant possibly be true, a third grader could have worked around this issue
I don’t think it was ever explicitly banned but if the Chargers decided to back out of the deal then the Giants would have gotten stuck with Rivers.
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I think it was the Eli trade that caused it.
I don’t think it was ever explicitly banned but if the Chargers decided to back out of the deal then the Giants would have gotten stuck with Rivers.
Someone posted the rules. It was banned. You can't trade drafted players until under contract now.
The Giants.
Who actuallly know what play was called
Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.
All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.
The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.
Mara made them do it.
Or
Schoen must incompetent.
It could not possibly be.
You’re the dunce.
Dunning Kruger.
The Giants.
Who actuallly know what play was called
Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.
All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.
The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.
Mara made them do it.
Or
Schoen must incompetent.
It could not possibly be.
You’re the dunce.
Dunning Kruger.
It's hard to take you seriously when you don't know how to type in sentences.
The Giants.
Who actuallly know what play was called
Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.
All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.
The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.
Mara made them do it.
Or
Schoen must incompetent.
It could not possibly be.
You’re the dunce.
Dunning Kruger.
Yep.
Even an average QB is worth more then an amazing WR.
Even an average QB is worth more then an amazing WR.
I’d take an elite WR over an average QB 100 times out of 100. If you have an average QB you’re stuck in QB hell.
I think McCarthy will be a lot better than average, but the Giants were not sold enough to take him over Nabers
We're not getting out of as long as Jones is on the roster.
Period. Full stop.
You think they would have taken him if LAC went Nabers? I just can't see them having a first rd grade on JJM at this point. I think GiantGrit and Woodstock were right plus Rico said he was always a smokescreen too. If they liked him I think they would've taken him at 6 or traded down and taken him. I tend to believe they didn't have him in their 15 first round graded players.
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then Nabers is.
Even an average QB is worth more then an amazing WR.
I’d take an elite WR over an average QB 100 times out of 100. If you have an average QB you’re stuck in QB hell.
I think McCarthy will be a lot better than average, but the Giants were not sold enough to take him over Nabers
Daboll must have felt he couldn't improve his release, throwing motion, touch and accuracy on the money balls. Or else I can't see them passing on him. At least that's how I'm reasoning it.
We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.
Minnesota hyping up their love for JJM could have scared NE away. AZ and LAC probably couldn't give a guarantee they wouldn't trade and couldn't say what it would cost without knowing what other teams would offer.
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You were wrong!
The Giants.
Who actuallly know what play was called
Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.
All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.
The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.
Mara made them do it.
Or
Schoen must incompetent.
It could not possibly be.
You’re the dunce.
Dunning Kruger.
It's hard to take you seriously when you don't know how to type in sentences.
Are you one of the tools that’s says.
Daniel Jones can’t read defenses or please be specific in your criticisms.
The Giants passed on 3 QBs that were drafted in round 1
The Giants have the best scouting on Daniel Jones.
I conclude from this that the people on this board insisting Jones can’t read a defense are completely full of shit.
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Just not more than Nabers.
You think they would have taken him if LAC went Nabers? I just can't see them having a first rd grade on JJM at this point. I think GiantGrit and Woodstock were right plus Rico said he was always a smokescreen too. If they liked him I think they would've taken him at 6 or traded down and taken him. I tend to believe they didn't have him in their 15 first round graded players.
I think JJM was 3rd on their list at 6.
Nabers
Odunze
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but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ...
We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.
This sums it up well.
Then why didn't they draft him?
CFB has changed the way it does business and you're seeing the smarter NFL franchises react accordingly.
Meanwhile the Giants are gonna run Daniel Mara out there again trying to recapture lighting in the bottle.
I am so glad you
dident
call me a poopy head
could break me poor
admit facts!!
As I've said, if Giants FO didn't have a conviction on JJM, good for them on passing.
Bank on it.
You're going to get both.
CFB has changed the way it does business and you're seeing the smarter NFL franchises react accordingly.
Meanwhile the Giants are gonna run Daniel Mara out there again trying to recapture lighting in the bottle.
This I can agree with, at a minimum they're green and not sticking to a plan. But, picking JJ wouldn't solve the QB problems imo.
I am so glad you
dident
call me a poopy head
could break me poor
admit facts!!
The Giants did not draft a QB.
What does that mean?
Explain it?
Mara made them do it.
Show me on the doll where Mara hurt you.
You couldn’t possibly be wrong, I get it.
CFB has changed the way it does business and you're seeing the smarter NFL franchises react accordingly.
Meanwhile the Giants are gonna run Daniel Mara out there again trying to recapture lighting in the bottle.
They do
Guess you are one of those guys who evaluates a draft class after a year or two
Maybe you can enlighten us how other franchises are adjusting and our heads are in the sand
If that happens I think Jones could deliver the ball to playmakers in space and with the increased team speed believe it could be productive. Excited for 24. I see many people bailing on the season because they did not get their way in round 1.
Toddlers, no other description is appropriate.
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but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ...
We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.
You can also be wrong. QB play can exceed your expectations. The D could play well and keep us around .500. We are no longer going to rely on our run game to win games, which is what everyone wanted. The OL might be better, we finally have a WR corps.
It’s not all bad.
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In comment 16492255 ajr2456 said:
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Just not more than Nabers.
You think they would have taken him if LAC went Nabers? I just can't see them having a first rd grade on JJM at this point. I think GiantGrit and Woodstock were right plus Rico said he was always a smokescreen too. If they liked him I think they would've taken him at 6 or traded down and taken him. I tend to believe they didn't have him in their 15 first round graded players.
I think JJM was 3rd on their list at 6.
Nabers
Odunze
Well then there was 0% chance. I was honestly praying LAC took Nabers thinking maybe that would give us a better chance at JJM. I'm fine with it though, Nabers is as elite of a wr prospect as you'll find. It is what it is.
If that happens I think Jones could deliver the ball to playmakers in space and with the increased team speed believe it could be productive. Excited for 24. I see many people bailing on the season because they did not get their way in round 1.
Toddlers, no other description is appropriate.
No matter who we got we were unlikely to be very good in 2024. That's why it's great we saved that 2025 1st. Look at our schedule. We will have 5-8 wins and be picking 3-12 in the draft my friend.
Keeping the status quo was the most tone deaf move they've made since JS arrived.
Keeping the status quo was the most tone deaf move they've made since JS arrived.
So they should draft a QB that they don’t have a conviction on? But they should draft one based upon feelings?
Please tell us more
If they got Maye, I'd be ecstatic. If they passed on Maye, I'd feel like you do about JJ. I just don't agree on the prospect.
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but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ...
We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.
You can also be wrong. QB play can exceed your expectations. The D could play well and keep us around .500. We are no longer going to rely on our run game to win games, which is what everyone wanted. The OL might be better, we finally have a WR corps.
It’s not all bad.
These people post so much , that their opinions have become VERY important to them.
So today, they are mad.
I have to admit BBI is a lot of fun to read today.
All day baby!
The Giants don't like admitting mistakes quickly, and Mara in particular, takes a very long time to move on from guys he really likes.
They'd never admit it, but I'm pretty sure they realize the likelihood of a playoff caliber season is pretty small this year.
My fear is they have a season slightly better than last year, but still not good enough to make the playoffs and then restructure and extend Jones because they're not high enough in the draft to get a QB in 2025.
They are in that weird zone of being too good to pick top 5 and not good enough to be a playoff contender. It's a really shitty place to be.
I don't know what has to happen for them to make a correct decision on Jones.
I don't know what has to happen for them to make a correct decision on Jones.
Yep, if you go back to January/February, a lot of this was predicted by people on BBI. Add that to the list of problems, the franchise is predictable in just about everything they do.