I agree with is it never seems the Giants have a plan or cohesion. You see teams who know what they want and go get it, the Giants seems more passive and his description of "ready aim fire" sounded right for how the Giants navigate the draft.
the rest was all platitudes. I really don't think there was anything the Giants could have done in that round of the draft and came out a contender in 2024.
You can’t have it both ways. He indicates that Minnesota was a better spot for JJM because they had a better situation, and so the Giants drafting Nabers was not trying to improve the roster? I mean did he really expect JJM to come to NY and better the team? Schoen did improve the roster and whomever becomes the QB in the future will have a better situation too. Obviously the Giants didn’t have the same conviction on JJM that they had if Drake Maye.
I agree with is it never seems the Giants have a plan or cohesion. You see teams who know what they want and go get it, the Giants seems more passive and his description of "ready aim fire" sounded right for how the Giants navigate the draft.
the rest was all platitudes. I really don't think there was anything the Giants could have done in that round of the draft and came out a contender in 2024.
It seems as if the last ten years or so is always trying to fix last years problem while ignoring the future issues that crop up.
I guess if not doing what someone else thinks you should do is just having a plan, he has a point. NYG targeted the players they had high grades in who they felt were difference makers. Maybe they’re right maybe they’re wrong, but if taking a player #6 overall who you don’t believe is worth the pick makes for a good plan because you have a need, I’ll take the alternative.
Personally I haven’t been impressed with Schoen. The team should be miles better than what he inherited from DG and it’s not. The perception of this franchise right now might be at an all time low. If you’re a gambler, only the Panthers in the NFC have longer playoff odds than the giants. And, as I’ve said a number of times here, nothing changes until Jones is gone. He’s the black cloud that persists over this organization. He’s also a coach killer. Daboll could be his 3rd victim.
I guess if not doing what someone else thinks you should do is just having a plan, he has a point. NYG targeted the players they had high grades in who they felt were difference makers. Maybe they’re right maybe they’re wrong, but if taking a player #6 overall who you don’t believe is worth the pick makes for a good plan because you have a need, I’ll take the alternative.
Have you seen the Belichick analysis of McCarthy on McAfee?
He was effusive with praise. Makes me think if he was still running Pats Central, McCarthy is a Patriot today.
You never liked JJM though. I'm sick of hearing about this woulda coulda shoulda shit. We got a WR prospect whom is elite as they come. It is what it is.
I guess if not doing what someone else thinks you should do is just having a plan, he has a point. NYG targeted the players they had high grades in who they felt were difference makers. Maybe they’re right maybe they’re wrong, but if taking a player #6 overall who you don’t believe is worth the pick makes for a good plan because you have a ne
Junk because of his affiliation. If he ends up being the 2nd coming, then we can all look back in hindsight as a failure. I see a ceiling of Alex Smith with him, so you don’t start another window of incompetence if you’re not 100% sold.
It's just a bit disingenuous, Cousins, sure, but he has a similar playoff/primetime record as Jones, percentage wise. A longer track record of better stats and record to be sure, but he's an answer, for Atlanta? maybe.
And then, Penix is an answer? He's a chance that is gonna marinate maybe two years. And I like(d) Penix.
Jones is not an answer, and the Giants don't have one at QB. Not sure ATL has two though, but his delivery was entertaining.
You can’t have it both ways. He indicates that Minnesota was a better spot for JJM because they had a better situation, and so the Giants drafting Nabers was not trying to improve the roster? I mean did he really expect JJM to come to NY and better the team? Schoen did improve the roster and whomever becomes the QB in the future will have a better situation too. Obviously the Giants didn’t have the same conviction on JJM that they had if Drake Maye.
What he said was the Giants is still without an answer for the most important position. He is right about that. The Giants don't have a plan for the QB position other than praying that DJ has a career year
You can’t have it both ways. He indicates that Minnesota was a better spot for JJM because they had a better situation, and so the Giants drafting Nabers was not trying to improve the roster? I mean did he really expect JJM to come to NY and better the team? Schoen did improve the roster and whomever becomes the QB in the future will have a better situation too. Obviously the Giants didn’t have the same conviction on JJM that they had if Drake Maye.
he didn't sound like a Giant Hater at all, he sounded like a realist, and he's not wrong. The Giants gave a huge contract to arguably one of the worst QBs in the league, Jones, have never provided any real competition for him, and now they're in a position of not having even a decent QB unless, somehow, Lock shows something. And yes, they may NOT have been able to do a trade with the Pats, but I'd argue they could'a had Penix or JJ or Nix, who are all going to be better than Jones, no matter how many excuses some people may make for the Blunder Blunder.
Have you seen the Belichick analysis of McCarthy on McAfee?
He was effusive with praise. Makes me think if he was still running Pats Central, McCarthy is a Patriot today.
You never liked JJM though. I'm sick of hearing about this woulda coulda shoulda shit. We got a WR prospect whom is elite as they come. It is what it is.
And this is coming from someone that thinks both the Patriots and Giants will have regrets about JJM after he is better than Maye. At least we will have Nabers so if JJM is the goods and Nabers is elite, it's not as tough to swallow. I think we were saved by the Patriots fear of missing out on JJM though, I just have a strong feeling Maye is going to bust and JJM will be good. I can't shake that feeling. Sucks to be the Patriots if that's the case, they could have had pick 6, 70, 2025 1st and 3rd plus JJM. If he ends up being better than Drake Maye wolf will be thinking about that until the day he dies.
why everyone on this board gets offended when someone rips the Giants. He's not wrong. Our drafting has been suspect over 10 years. Bottom Half is a fair comment.
QB is the most important spot on the team, we didn't draft one, He's allowed to criticize us. Barring an absolute miracle with Daniel Jones, we are going to be desperate next year for a QB.
He says that the Giant's approach has been ready, fire, aim, for past drafts but then says that JJM going to the Vikings is the right fit. So would that mean he wasn't a good fit for the Giants? SO pick him? Looks to me like the Giants didn't LOVE any of these QBs they were within Striking distance of getting. They liked Maye, maybe even giving up a 2025 number 1 but that's as far as they were willing to go then you have the chance to get JJM and you Pass. Clearly, the evaluation was that Malik was the better option and I would argue that his value is top 3 in the entire draft. Even the Vikings only came up one spot to get JJ so they weren't super aggressive either to get him and that's with Denver and LA picking behind them.
It's been said that we need to get out of QB hell and the ONE thing we don't want to do is put ourselves back in it for an even longer period. I am all but done with Jones, but he is/was going to be the starter this year regardless if we drafted someone. We aren't ready to compete in the conference let alone our division. We need at least 2 to 3 years to move forward. I doubt DJ has forgotten how to play the position. Maybe he can be semi-productive? Who knows but don't force the pick just because......They did the right thing where they were with who was available.
You can’t have it both ways. He indicates that Minnesota was a better spot for JJM because they had a better situation, and so the Giants drafting Nabers was not trying to improve the roster? I mean did he really expect JJM to come to NY and better the team? Schoen did improve the roster and whomever becomes the QB in the future will have a better situation too. Obviously the Giants didn’t have the same conviction on JJM that they had if Drake Maye.
he didn't sound like a Giant Hater at all, he sounded like a realist, and he's not wrong. The Giants gave a huge contract to arguably one of the worst QBs in the league, Jones, have never provided any real competition for him, and now they're in a position of not having even a decent QB unless, somehow, Lock shows something. And yes, they may NOT have been able to do a trade with the Pats, but I'd argue they could'a had Penix or JJ or Nix, who are all going to be better than Jones, no matter how many excuses some people may make for the Blunder Blunder.
So that's the bar for taking a QB in the first? They just have to be better than one of the worst QBs in the league? This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
why everyone on this board gets offended when someone rips the Giants. He's not wrong. Our drafting has been suspect over 10 years. Bottom Half is a fair comment.
QB is the most important spot on the team, we didn't draft one, He's allowed to criticize us. Barring an absolute miracle with Daniel Jones, we are going to be desperate next year for a QB.
get their QBs????? Purdy was the literal last pick of the draft and stars on a stacked roster. The Rams had to give the Lions TWO firsts and a third round pick along with Goff to facilitate that trade. He wasn’t exactly in high demand. Now he stars on a stacked roster.
The lesson is that when you build your roster up to a certain level, you allow yourselves more avenues to add the QB who you can eventually win with.
They run the team with too much emotion and not enough introspection or long-term planning. It's sort of running from one fire to another without ever asking why there are so many fires starting to begin with.
Easy to discount criticism by claiming the individual is a NYG hater, but his analysis and delivery was measured. By any criteria, NYG has had a scouting problem in recent years and its drafts have been in the bottom half of the NFL. There has been lots of turnover on scouting/personnel side, so fans can hope for improvement, but it has not been demonstrated yet.
His point was that the team doesnt have a draft plan. Their plan was to aggressively pursue Maye and if they couldn’t make that happen, to take an elite WR prospect. That was the plan and the contingency. It’s just the take the QB at any cost even if you don’t believe the guy is worth the pick crowd wants to hang this BS that they don’t have a plan because the team who spent countless hours studying these QBs doesn’t agree with their assessment. Typical lazy thinking.
why everyone on this board gets offended when someone rips the Giants. He's not wrong. Our drafting has been suspect over 10 years. Bottom Half is a fair comment.
QB is the most important spot on the team, we didn't draft one, He's allowed to criticize us. Barring an absolute miracle with Daniel Jones, we are going to be desperate next year for a QB.
2025 is the wrong year to be desperate for a QB.
I like Dart and Ward then there's Sanders, Ewers, Beck, Milroe, Allar and others. There will be 3-4 taken in the 1st and 2 will likely end up good. You watch a lot of college football? How can you tell me Jaxson Dart doesn't have everything needed to have a good season and emerge as a promising prospect? Then Cam Ward was in the early Heisman conversations with no help at WSU.
why everyone on this board gets offended when someone rips the Giants. He's not wrong. Our drafting has been suspect over 10 years. Bottom Half is a fair comment.
QB is the most important spot on the team, we didn't draft one, He's allowed to criticize us. Barring an absolute miracle with Daniel Jones, we are going to be desperate next year for a QB.
+1, although our drafting has been awful for more than 10 years. Terps is also right when he says the Giants are just a badly run team with meddling, incompetent ownership. proven out time and time again.
And he's not a Giant-hater because he has a different opinion than you.
He understands what the Giants don't. Turning around a franchise without a QB requires adding a QB. If you don't have a QB, you are nowhere in the NFL. As I said elsewhere regarding Penix, and you can say the same for JJM:
When it comes to comparing Penix to Jones, what matters is upside. Penix has it and Jones doesn't. We know what Jones is, a marginal starter, at best. Sure Penix could be just as bad as Jones or worse than that. But there are still a range of outcomes where he is a superstar, or a very good QB, or merely good. Plus there are outcomes where he is the same level as Jones. Add those together and you probably have 60-70% (or more) where he is as good or better than Jones. And if he is better than Jones, he will easily be as valuable and likely more valuable to the Giants than Nabers (who I love as a prospect), because upgrading from bad to good at QB is more valuable to an NFL team than adding a top WR.
You may not like to hear it, but the Giants don't get the QB position, and they have been bumbling over it for almost a decade, and we have been rewarded with backup quality QB play sice at least 2017. This franchise is woefully mismanaged, and it starts at the top with Mara.
Now maybe they add a developmental QB before the draft is over and we can start to repair what has been an incompetent run with the most important position in sports.
why everyone on this board gets offended when someone rips the Giants. He's not wrong. Our drafting has been suspect over 10 years. Bottom Half is a fair comment.
QB is the most important spot on the team, we didn't draft one, He's allowed to criticize us. Barring an absolute miracle with Daniel Jones, we are going to be desperate next year for a QB.
The teams he lists as good teams… how did they get their QBs?
I don’t think it’s an easy solution though. The only way to build an environment that’s friendly for a future high QB pick is to add talent. They did that. They have more picks where they can add a pice to the OL. If you do that all of a sudden this offensive talent doesn’t look so bad.
But this needs to decide what it wants to be. They need to figure out an identity. Build a dominant unit. I do feel like they have a tendency to just pick players or fill needs instead of seeing a bigger picture
Have you seen the Belichick analysis of McCarthy on McAfee?
He was effusive with praise. Makes me think if he was still running Pats Central, McCarthy is a Patriot today.
You never liked JJM though. I'm sick of hearing about this woulda coulda shoulda shit. We got a WR prospect whom is elite as they come. It is what it is.
Not following this. I'm merely pointing out what Belichick said. And drawing the conclusion that if he was still in charge, McCarthy is probably a Pat today.
Which, if you further game it out, Maye may be a Giant...
I don’t think it’s an easy solution though. The only way to build an environment that’s friendly for a future high QB pick is to add talent. They did that. They have more picks where they can add a pice to the OL. If you do that all of a sudden this offensive talent doesn’t look so bad.
But this needs to decide what it wants to be. They need to figure out an identity. Build a dominant unit. I do feel like they have a tendency to just pick players or fill needs instead of seeing a bigger picture
They’ve actually attempted to do that this offseason. Brian Burns, the offensive line additions, and Malik Nabers certainly seems like it’s driving towards a plan of building significant strengths in important areas of the team.
If you listen to his comments, he comes off as hypocritical…..
If Giants thought JJM was better than Jones and a Franchise guy, they certainly would have taken him. Nabers does make the Giants better and quite frankly was the right choice given their convictions and value. Giants most certainly had a plan and they ended up with plan B in this case as NE wouldn’t budge. With DG at the helm, it could be argued that the Giants had no p,an, but I don’t see it with Schoen. Klatt had his agenda and was clearly sticking to it, even after Eisen told him that the Giants tried to trade up and it was out of their control that they couldn’t get their QB.
Have you seen the Belichick analysis of McCarthy on McAfee?
He was effusive with praise. Makes me think if he was still running Pats Central, McCarthy is a Patriot today.
You never liked JJM though. I'm sick of hearing about this woulda coulda shoulda shit. We got a WR prospect whom is elite as they come. It is what it is.
Not following this. I'm merely pointing out what Belichick said. And drawing the conclusion that if he was still in charge, McCarthy is probably a Pat today.
Which, if you further game it out, Maye may be a Giant...
being kind saying "ten" years. I wanted McCarthy but the Giants just didn't have quite the grade on him at that spot. I do think other factors may have contributed (Not Mara).
Have you seen the Belichick analysis of McCarthy on McAfee?
He was effusive with praise. Makes me think if he was still running Pats Central, McCarthy is a Patriot today.
You never liked JJM though. I'm sick of hearing about this woulda coulda shoulda shit. We got a WR prospect whom is elite as they come. It is what it is.
Not following this. I'm merely pointing out what Belichick said. And drawing the conclusion that if he was still in charge, McCarthy is probably a Pat today.
Which, if you further game it out, Maye may be a Giant...
You wanted Nabers over JJM and Penix right? Who would your pick have been? You know what mine would've been. I can't complain though we got a top rated player at a top need value position. He's got the potential to be the best WR in the league. Can't complain, and there is no reason to. This is just entertainment afterall
He was effusive with praise. Makes me think if he was still running Pats Central, McCarthy is a Patriot today.
the rest was all platitudes. I really don't think there was anything the Giants could have done in that round of the draft and came out a contender in 2024.
the rest was all platitudes. I really don't think there was anything the Giants could have done in that round of the draft and came out a contender in 2024.
It seems as if the last ten years or so is always trying to fix last years problem while ignoring the future issues that crop up.
The Lions have a QB
He was effusive with praise. Makes me think if he was still running Pats Central, McCarthy is a Patriot today.
You never liked JJM though. I'm sick of hearing about this woulda coulda shoulda shit. We got a WR prospect whom is elite as they come. It is what it is.
That being said the idea that the franchise is not really one with a long-term plan or vision, it doesn't seem hard to argue with that.
I think the current regime is trying to do better in that regard than the previous ones though.
And then, Penix is an answer? He's a chance that is gonna marinate maybe two years. And I like(d) Penix.
Jones is not an answer, and the Giants don't have one at QB. Not sure ATL has two though, but his delivery was entertaining.
What he said was the Giants is still without an answer for the most important position. He is right about that. The Giants don't have a plan for the QB position other than praying that DJ has a career year
he didn't sound like a Giant Hater at all, he sounded like a realist, and he's not wrong. The Giants gave a huge contract to arguably one of the worst QBs in the league, Jones, have never provided any real competition for him, and now they're in a position of not having even a decent QB unless, somehow, Lock shows something. And yes, they may NOT have been able to do a trade with the Pats, but I'd argue they could'a had Penix or JJ or Nix, who are all going to be better than Jones, no matter how many excuses some people may make for the Blunder Blunder.
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Have you seen the Belichick analysis of McCarthy on McAfee?
He was effusive with praise. Makes me think if he was still running Pats Central, McCarthy is a Patriot today.
You never liked JJM though. I'm sick of hearing about this woulda coulda shoulda shit. We got a WR prospect whom is elite as they come. It is what it is.
And this is coming from someone that thinks both the Patriots and Giants will have regrets about JJM after he is better than Maye. At least we will have Nabers so if JJM is the goods and Nabers is elite, it's not as tough to swallow. I think we were saved by the Patriots fear of missing out on JJM though, I just have a strong feeling Maye is going to bust and JJM will be good. I can't shake that feeling. Sucks to be the Patriots if that's the case, they could have had pick 6, 70, 2025 1st and 3rd plus JJM. If he ends up being better than Drake Maye wolf will be thinking about that until the day he dies.
QB is the most important spot on the team, we didn't draft one, He's allowed to criticize us. Barring an absolute miracle with Daniel Jones, we are going to be desperate next year for a QB.
It's been said that we need to get out of QB hell and the ONE thing we don't want to do is put ourselves back in it for an even longer period. I am all but done with Jones, but he is/was going to be the starter this year regardless if we drafted someone. We aren't ready to compete in the conference let alone our division. We need at least 2 to 3 years to move forward. I doubt DJ has forgotten how to play the position. Maybe he can be semi-productive? Who knows but don't force the pick just because......They did the right thing where they were with who was available.
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You can’t have it both ways. He indicates that Minnesota was a better spot for JJM because they had a better situation, and so the Giants drafting Nabers was not trying to improve the roster? I mean did he really expect JJM to come to NY and better the team? Schoen did improve the roster and whomever becomes the QB in the future will have a better situation too. Obviously the Giants didn’t have the same conviction on JJM that they had if Drake Maye.
he didn't sound like a Giant Hater at all, he sounded like a realist, and he's not wrong. The Giants gave a huge contract to arguably one of the worst QBs in the league, Jones, have never provided any real competition for him, and now they're in a position of not having even a decent QB unless, somehow, Lock shows something. And yes, they may NOT have been able to do a trade with the Pats, but I'd argue they could'a had Penix or JJ or Nix, who are all going to be better than Jones, no matter how many excuses some people may make for the Blunder Blunder.
So that's the bar for taking a QB in the first? They just have to be better than one of the worst QBs in the league? This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
I used to dislike your posts but I agree with you now
Self preservation is strong at 1925 Giants Drive
QB is the most important spot on the team, we didn't draft one, He's allowed to criticize us. Barring an absolute miracle with Daniel Jones, we are going to be desperate next year for a QB.
2025 is the wrong year to be desperate for a QB.
The lesson is that when you build your roster up to a certain level, you allow yourselves more avenues to add the QB who you can eventually win with.
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why everyone on this board gets offended when someone rips the Giants. He's not wrong. Our drafting has been suspect over 10 years. Bottom Half is a fair comment.
QB is the most important spot on the team, we didn't draft one, He's allowed to criticize us. Barring an absolute miracle with Daniel Jones, we are going to be desperate next year for a QB.
2025 is the wrong year to be desperate for a QB.
I like Dart and Ward then there's Sanders, Ewers, Beck, Milroe, Allar and others. There will be 3-4 taken in the 1st and 2 will likely end up good. You watch a lot of college football? How can you tell me Jaxson Dart doesn't have everything needed to have a good season and emerge as a promising prospect? Then Cam Ward was in the early Heisman conversations with no help at WSU.
QB is the most important spot on the team, we didn't draft one, He's allowed to criticize us. Barring an absolute miracle with Daniel Jones, we are going to be desperate next year for a QB.
+1, although our drafting has been awful for more than 10 years. Terps is also right when he says the Giants are just a badly run team with meddling, incompetent ownership. proven out time and time again.
He understands what the Giants don't. Turning around a franchise without a QB requires adding a QB. If you don't have a QB, you are nowhere in the NFL. As I said elsewhere regarding Penix, and you can say the same for JJM:
When it comes to comparing Penix to Jones, what matters is upside. Penix has it and Jones doesn't. We know what Jones is, a marginal starter, at best. Sure Penix could be just as bad as Jones or worse than that. But there are still a range of outcomes where he is a superstar, or a very good QB, or merely good. Plus there are outcomes where he is the same level as Jones. Add those together and you probably have 60-70% (or more) where he is as good or better than Jones. And if he is better than Jones, he will easily be as valuable and likely more valuable to the Giants than Nabers (who I love as a prospect), because upgrading from bad to good at QB is more valuable to an NFL team than adding a top WR.
You may not like to hear it, but the Giants don't get the QB position, and they have been bumbling over it for almost a decade, and we have been rewarded with backup quality QB play sice at least 2017. This franchise is woefully mismanaged, and it starts at the top with Mara.
Now maybe they add a developmental QB before the draft is over and we can start to repair what has been an incompetent run with the most important position in sports.
QB is the most important spot on the team, we didn't draft one, He's allowed to criticize us. Barring an absolute miracle with Daniel Jones, we are going to be desperate next year for a QB.
The teams he lists as good teams… how did they get their QBs?
But this needs to decide what it wants to be. They need to figure out an identity. Build a dominant unit. I do feel like they have a tendency to just pick players or fill needs instead of seeing a bigger picture
Goes back to Reese. The team has been drafting for shit for a decade..
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Have you seen the Belichick analysis of McCarthy on McAfee?
He was effusive with praise. Makes me think if he was still running Pats Central, McCarthy is a Patriot today.
You never liked JJM though. I'm sick of hearing about this woulda coulda shoulda shit. We got a WR prospect whom is elite as they come. It is what it is.
Not following this. I'm merely pointing out what Belichick said. And drawing the conclusion that if he was still in charge, McCarthy is probably a Pat today.
Which, if you further game it out, Maye may be a Giant...
But this needs to decide what it wants to be. They need to figure out an identity. Build a dominant unit. I do feel like they have a tendency to just pick players or fill needs instead of seeing a bigger picture
They’ve actually attempted to do that this offseason. Brian Burns, the offensive line additions, and Malik Nabers certainly seems like it’s driving towards a plan of building significant strengths in important areas of the team.
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Have you seen the Belichick analysis of McCarthy on McAfee?
He was effusive with praise. Makes me think if he was still running Pats Central, McCarthy is a Patriot today.
You never liked JJM though. I'm sick of hearing about this woulda coulda shoulda shit. We got a WR prospect whom is elite as they come. It is what it is.
Not following this. I'm merely pointing out what Belichick said. And drawing the conclusion that if he was still in charge, McCarthy is probably a Pat today.
Which, if you further game it out, Maye may be a Giant...
Fair enough, I misunderstood my bad.
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In comment 16492348 bw in dc said:
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Have you seen the Belichick analysis of McCarthy on McAfee?
He was effusive with praise. Makes me think if he was still running Pats Central, McCarthy is a Patriot today.
You never liked JJM though. I'm sick of hearing about this woulda coulda shoulda shit. We got a WR prospect whom is elite as they come. It is what it is.
Not following this. I'm merely pointing out what Belichick said. And drawing the conclusion that if he was still in charge, McCarthy is probably a Pat today.
Which, if you further game it out, Maye may be a Giant...
You wanted Nabers over JJM and Penix right? Who would your pick have been? You know what mine would've been. I can't complain though we got a top rated player at a top need value position. He's got the potential to be the best WR in the league. Can't complain, and there is no reason to. This is just entertainment afterall
if we are going back 10 years of course they havent been good drafting - that's why they are on their 3rd GM and 5th head coach.