If the Giants have to be in full bloom love with a qb prospect and have an absolute conviction that the person will be the guy, doesn’t that give them an excuse to not pick a qb every year unless they are picking 1-3 overall?
I’m trying to think through this narrative. What are the chances that if the bar for being willing to take a chance on a qb are so high, that they will ever have more than 1 maybe 2 guys per draft worth trying to get at the position?
Joe all but offered his first born to move up to 3 to take Drake. Pats said no.
Giants didn’t view JJM as worthy of 6th pick. They might be right, they might be wrong. TBD.
I completely agree. And I think the Giants certainly did all they could to get Maye. I guess I’m more wondering if given qb dominance of the game, teams should be more frequently be taking chances on qb’s and or taking into account positional value. There are arguments for or against, I’m torn myself over it.
Or maybe you jump into the bottom of thefirst and grab Lamar Jackson
Or maybe 7th overall for Josh Allen
Or 6th for Justin Herbert
That is what happened, facts.
Other teams understand that QBs get pushed up the draft board. Correctly. Because hitting on a QB is a franchise-changing event. So you have to take some chances. If you wait until value, preference, and availability align like an eclipse, you will not draft a QB for a long long time.
LOL. And that method rarely works. Who are these teams that take frequent swings at the QB position without scholarships?
You win by getting franchise QB's, but they can be had in a variety of ways and with teams doing poorly or well. The key is that it is really damn hard to tell who the franchise guys are. Go Terps method is no better than others. Just because he bombards people saying it is right doesn't make it true. All it does is make him sound like George Costanza.
He talks incessantly about moving past mistakes quickly like Haskins, Rosen or soon to be Willis. How's that working out for Wash, Arizona and Tenn?
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includes taking swings at the QB position every couple of years. No scholarships. Nothing is given. Get guys in the building and have an open competition. If whomever doesn't show like they are elite by year 2, time to move on.
LOL. And that method rarely works. Who are these teams that take frequent swings at the QB position without scholarships?
You win by getting franchise QB's, but they can be had in a variety of ways and with teams doing poorly or well. The key is that it is really damn hard to tell who the franchise guys are. Go Terps method is no better than others. Just because he bombards people saying it is right doesn't make it true. All it does is make him sound like George Costanza.
He talks incessantly about moving past mistakes quickly like Haskins, Rosen or soon to be Willis. How's that working out for Wash, Arizona and Tenn?
Shouldn’t there be a middle ground between the two approaches though? There are plenty of teams that have drafted qb’s while having a franchise guy already. Is that always a mistake?
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includes taking swings at the QB position every couple of years. No scholarships. Nothing is given. Get guys in the building and have an open competition. If whomever doesn't show like they are elite by year 2, time to move on.
LOL. And that method rarely works. Who are these teams that take frequent swings at the QB position without scholarships?
You win by getting franchise QB's, but they can be had in a variety of ways and with teams doing poorly or well. The key is that it is really damn hard to tell who the franchise guys are. Go Terps method is no better than others. Just because he bombards people saying it is right doesn't make it true. All it does is make him sound like George Costanza.
He talks incessantly about moving past mistakes quickly like Haskins, Rosen or soon to be Willis. How's that working out for Wash, Arizona and Tenn?
Wash - Jayden Daniels
Arizona - Kyler Murray
Tennessee - Will Levis
NYG - Daniel Jones
That's how it's working out.
We certainly have a history of giving lottery QBs a ton of runway to succeed. It seems to convey from one regime to the next. Hell, even Dave Brown, a supplemental pick, got six years.
I've said it before that you have to give Mara credit for finally getting out of the box and hiring a GM that wasn't baptized in the Giants Way. But it looks to me like he found a GM that is very closely aligned with his view of the QB position, especially re: Jones.
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includes taking swings at the QB position every couple of years. No scholarships. Nothing is given. Get guys in the building and have an open competition. If whomever doesn't show like they are elite by year 2, time to move on.
LOL. And that method rarely works. Who are these teams that take frequent swings at the QB position without scholarships?
You win by getting franchise QB's, but they can be had in a variety of ways and with teams doing poorly or well. The key is that it is really damn hard to tell who the franchise guys are. Go Terps method is no better than others. Just because he bombards people saying it is right doesn't make it true. All it does is make him sound like George Costanza.
He talks incessantly about moving past mistakes quickly like Haskins, Rosen or soon to be Willis. How's that working out for Wash, Arizona and Tenn?
Agreed, there is literally not a single NFL franchise that has done this. Now, you could make an argument that you should take a swin on a mid round project, but if you drafts QBs in the 1st and 2nd round constantly, the rest of your team is bereft of talent and you're hamstrung.
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includes taking swings at the QB position every couple of years. No scholarships. Nothing is given. Get guys in the building and have an open competition. If whomever doesn't show like they are elite by year 2, time to move on.
LOL. And that method rarely works. Who are these teams that take frequent swings at the QB position without scholarships?
You win by getting franchise QB's, but they can be had in a variety of ways and with teams doing poorly or well. The key is that it is really damn hard to tell who the franchise guys are. Go Terps method is no better than others. Just because he bombards people saying it is right doesn't make it true. All it does is make him sound like George Costanza.
He talks incessantly about moving past mistakes quickly like Haskins, Rosen or soon to be Willis. How's that working out for Wash, Arizona and Tenn?
Wash - Jayden Daniels
Arizona - Kyler Murray
Tennessee - Will Levis
NYG - Daniel Jones
That's how it's working out.
What exactly ahs will levis done? Murray is a guy who I bet if the Cardinals had not signed to a huge contract would have been looking to replace. Daniels may be great, but the Commanders have been a disaster at QB for decades.
Sooooo, not great examples
Joe all but offered his first born to move up to 3 to take Drake. Pats said no.
Giants didn’t view JJM as worthy of 6th pick. They might be right, they might be wrong. TBD.
Exactly this... Almost every year you can trade up top 3... the one draft we want too the option wasn't even available. That is NY Giants luck right there. Next year everyone in the top 3 will trade!
Yes. But in much smaller volume. people are going to be massively checked out on the Giants this year.
Let's focus on the rest of the draft..
Eric, can you make a QB forum just for all the QB posts? I didn’t think it could get worse than the past few months. But in just the last 24hrs… every day for the next 365 days is going to be worse.
There's not much else substantive to talk about with this team.
They're just spinning their wheels.
at least until we get the camp reports pumping sunshine. Then the regular season beatdowns commence.
There’s not a whole lot else to talk or be excited about with this team at the moment. But don’t worry, I’ll lose interest shortly.
A lot of people make it sound like replacing Jones is the only thing to make the team better. That's on them too.
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we going to keep having these threads for the next 12 months?
There’s not a whole lot else to talk or be excited about with this team at the moment. But don’t worry, I’ll lose interest shortly.
Sure there is, you just don’t want to admit the other areas we have addressed that can be game changers. And that’s coming from someone who really wanted to draft a QB as well.
Moping around BBI all day gets boring after a while, no?
Yep.. it’s just a continuation of the last 2 years
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we going to keep having these threads for the next 12 months?
There’s not a whole lot else to talk or be excited about with this team at the moment. But don’t worry, I’ll lose interest shortly.
That's not the threat you think it is.
Let's focus on the rest of the draft..
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we going to keep having these threads for the next 12 months?
There’s not a whole lot else to talk or be excited about with this team at the moment. But don’t worry, I’ll lose interest shortly.
That's not the threat you think it is.
Not sure why the nastiness is necessary but w/e
A lot of people make it sound like replacing Jones is the only thing to make the team better. That's on them too.
I remember reading that word for word on Kadarius Toney. "If you can't get excited..."
Look man how many times do we have to let these guys kick our dicks in before we're at least allowed to be critical? I know we're supposed to be positive even if they draft an inanimate carbon rod or sign it to a $160M contract, but when is it ok to call them out?
(I asked this same question back in 2018 and it wasn't ok then either, so we know the number is at least six years before you're allowed to be critical.)
Jesus, you two sides need to give it a rest.
If a team does not have a top-six quarterback in its conference, it is virtually impossible for that team to be a consistent playoff and Super Bowl contender. Regardless of the reasons, the Daniel Jones era was a failure. But it’s not clear if the franchise has come to terms with that reality.
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When the season starts, I’ll root like hell for DJ—I love a good comeback story. And hopefully nabers has the same effect on him Hill had for Tua
I learned how.
Draft is like Christmas and you guys are throwing a tantrum knocking over the tree and smashing the ornaments.
100 threads are fine. But when you reach 1,000, it gets old.
Draft is like Christmas and you guys are throwing a tantrum knocking over the tree and smashing the ornaments.
100 threads are fine. But when you reach 1,000, it gets old.
I haven't started a thread in years.
It is more important to cycle through QBs until you land either a great talent or a great fit for your HC/OC/system.
Were the 49ers in full bloom love with Purdy? Well now they have a guy who took them to the Super Bowl. Coaches have to willing to take chances and challenge QBs who may not be ideal. There is always a probability it will work out. And work out - big. Our problem is we are repeating something we KNOW doesn't work. Jones has a bad ceiling. But Penix, for instance, has an elite ceiling.
Penix is more valuable to the Giants than Nabers.
Yeah - Penix has more value than Nabers!
And the Niners are a perfect example of one who built a team so the QB didn't have to be elite. They could crap out on trading a bunch of high picks for a failed QB and a 7th rounder is good enough to take them to the SB. That's in direct opposition to what you are saying.
I would have to say, most likely, yes.
Only for a QB you draft
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But you don't see me starting thread after thread about doom-and-gloom.
Draft is like Christmas and you guys are throwing a tantrum knocking over the tree and smashing the ornaments.
100 threads are fine. But when you reach 1,000, it gets old.
I haven't started a thread in years.
But you post on every single one regarding QBs to complain about pretty much every QB except who you happen to like.
Yeah - Penix has more value than Nabers!
And the Niners are a perfect example of one who built a team so the QB didn't have to be elite. They could crap out on trading a bunch of high picks for a failed QB and a 7th rounder is good enough to take them to the SB. That's in direct opposition to what you are saying.
So you're theory is that you must select a QB based on your right tackle. Not whether he's great or not. Interesting. I guess it's not possible to replace Neal if he doesn't do the job.
Penix doesn't fit the system so why pigeonhole him? Talk about cycling through QB's while the rest of the team stays talent poor
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we going to keep having these threads for the next 12 months?
Yes. But in much smaller volume. people are going to be massively checked out on the Giants this year.
If it means less morons here then good.