The Giants — like all NFL teams — spends a huge amount of time and a small fortune creating a draft board. The point of that exercise is to already have a plan, and a backup plan, and a Plan C, for any and all contingencies. No matter how unexpected the draft is, no matter what other teams do, you are prepared. You try to move around but if you can't find a trade you like, you have your board and you stick to it.
One of my BBI pet peeves is "they panicked." Fans panic; pros go back to their board. If a GM really panics because the draft took a surprising turn, that's a fireable offense. You spend all that money on the draft board precisely because you don't ever want to get caught unprepared and "panic." You may be angry or disappointed or shocked, but you don't panic.
As far as last night went, we fans like to think about drafting positions. "We need a QB!" Well, yes, the Giants need a QB. The difference between fans and pros is fans seem to think the next part of that sentence is ", no matter what it costs." That's not how it works. New England may have been willing to trade the #3 overall pick. What if they wanted the Giants 1st and 2nd this year, their 1st and 2nd next year, and their 2026 1st? Then I can't blame Schoen for saying "Too rich for my blood." There's a limit and apparently NE wanted too much.
At which point the Giants did what any competent front office does: They looked at their board. If the best player on their board was Nabers, that works for me.
We all knew Nabers was a huge talent and a target for the Giants. They tried to trade up for Maye, but New England was either asking too much or wouldn't agree to a deal. It looks like they stuck to their board and took the best player available at a position of need. So what is the complaint, exactly?
As for QB, eventually they're going to have to get their QB of the future. Ideally that's a draft pick, but not necessarily. The Packers got Brett Favre in a trade. Some QBs are late bloomers; you sign them in free agency and they take off. (In the unlikely event that happens with Drew Lock, Schoen would look like a genius.) Some guys are reclamation projects, like Kerry Collins. There are a lot of ways to skin that cat. And QBs have a high bust rate anyway. It's not like any pick is a sure thing. Remember when some BBIers were adamant that Josh Rosen should be the pick? Anybody want him now?
I've posted before that I ask one thing when the Giants are drafting early: I want greatness. Around five guys go into the HoF every year. That means around five HoFers come into the league every year. Get one of those guys. A HoF player at any position is better than a nice solid starter at a position of need, even if he's a QB. If Nabers was their best shot at greatness, I'm good with the pick. Yes, they could have traded down, but if they thought they had a shot a legitimately great prospect who fits their system, and they weren't confident of getting greatness later in the draft, IMO they did the right thing by rolling the dice on a potentially great player.
Greatness is still the goal in later rounds, but from tonight on, even a nice solid starter is a win. If the Giants came out of this draft with one great player in Nabers and three or four solid starters, we'd all be ecstatic. And honestly, if Nabers is a truly great player, nobody will care if the rest of the 2024 draft is five guys who'll be trivia answers in 10 years.
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Odunze was already off the board. He's:
1. Bigger
2. As good in everything
3. Is a real team first guy
Only 1 is true.
2. Is false, Nabers is faster, and more explosive in small space.
3. Is made up. Could wind up being true, but right now we have no idea how good or bad of a teammate he will be.
I think Nabers has better hands too personally. His hands are also like Hakeem Nicks size. He webs the ball on tape.
+1.
The Giants can be real good a year or two etc but it as to start with what they did in FA and nailing this year's draft.
If this offense has playmakers, it doesn’t need Aaron Rodger’s to win. Slants and short crosses to pull the D up. Double moves and 9s once the safeties come up. Y’all afraid Daniel is going to do very well. I smell your fear, it is obvious. This offense is why they did not give up the house to move up or draft another QB at 6.
A dynamic playmaker(like Nabers & Diggs) is more important to it than the QB.
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I believe they did have a deal in place for Maye which someone (likely Kraft) nixed last minute.
You want a guy that will terrorize the defense. That's who Nabors is; he's this year's Ja'Marr Chase.
The only other player in this year's draft that can cause that much havoc is Brock Bowers. The Giants didn't pick him, I can live with that. Given that, I wouldn't want anybody else but Nabors.
It was/is a bumper crop of receivers and finding a partner to move down to add another draft asset would have made a lot of sense, too.
1. Bigger
2. As good in everything
3. Is a real team first guy
What??? They're totally different types of players and Odunze is absolutely not as good at everything Nabers is.
Are you sure you know who these players are?
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To my “next day non-emotional” post from this morning and say its more of having to cope with another year of Jones at the helm than it is anything about the pick itself.
To this point, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say anything negative about Nabers as a player. As prospects go he’s a legit blue chip so you really can’t.
The frustration comes from the fact that we’ve been rebuilding for about 7 years and Jones still being our QB signifies that we have at least one more year left. As fans who have watched a decade + of bad football its just frustrating.
I don't think you've been paying attention. Such great opinions like he's Odell, he's Toney, we don't learn from our mistakes, Nabers is not smart, he's high maintenance, etc.
I may need to go back through, I forget that we get a lot of wild opinions and some I just tune out.
I’m open to complaining about the position or the strategy, but in 9/10 drafts this kid would be the best WR.
It was all in the lead up to the draft. "Nabors" was getting killed by posters based on a lot of made up shit.
There was never (or at least shouldn’t have been) a doubt about his talent. I get after Toney people hear gun charge and get scared, but one thing I can say about this regime is they actually do their homework on things like this.
My only real question was this. Even though I felt Nabers was a much better system fit, was the Giants front office going to fall in love with Odunze’s intangibles and feel he was a better “face of the franchise”? Either way, I wouldn’t have batted an eye if they took Odunze because I think he’ll also be a very good player.
But objectively and throwing out me wanting Jones gone, Nabers was the one of the 3 that fits what Daboll does best and he’s also the most explosive.
If this offense has playmakers, it doesn’t need Aaron Rodger’s to win. Slants and short crosses to pull the D up. Double moves and 9s once the safeties come up. Y’all afraid Daniel is going to do very well. I smell your fear, it is obvious. This offense is why they did not give up the house to move up or draft another QB at 6.
A dynamic playmaker(like Nabers & Diggs) is more important to it than the QB.
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IMO your post closes your eyes to being a contender and just being content with being “pretty good.” That's the problem that I believe some of you miss. You've been so beaten down by such awful play that " simple offense" with basic slants will be enough to be a contender.
The real good teams are going to shut down those simple plays. If these type of plays were so great then guys like Jefferson and Hill would have been much more successful without a super QB.
With that said—hopefully Giants can get the OL solidified. And build the Defense.
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choir boy they get roasted. Now they take the Micah Parsons of WRs (I’m making that up unit you get my point) and it’s a problem.
They are damned if they do damned if they don’t.
Is it all that surprising though given Toney, Baker, and to a lesser extent, Eli Apple?
People expressed concern about those three and didn't exactly have to eat crow.
So be concerned, but I’m not going to waste time worry about the players that didn’t work out that the previous regime drafted.
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choir boy they get roasted. Now they take the Micah Parsons of WRs (I’m making that up unit you get my point) and it’s a problem.
They are damned if they do damned if they don’t.
Is it all that surprising though given Toney, Baker, and to a lesser extent, Eli Apple?
People expressed concern about those three and didn't exactly have to eat crow.
So be concerned, but I’m not going to waste time worry about the players that didn’t work out that the previous regime drafted.
None of those guys had the competitive tenacity of Nabers imo. Nabers wants to be the best in the game. That's a real special quality and more rare than it sounds.
It was/is a bumper crop of receivers and finding a partner to move down to add another draft asset would have made a lot of sense, too.
Let's see what receivers are there at 47 before we believe this. I once thought the same. Then I saw how many teams needed receivers and how quickly they were going to be taken. I expect 6 more to be taken before our pick which would leave extremely thin pickings.
It was/is a bumper crop of receivers and finding a partner to move down to add another draft asset would have made a lot of sense, too.
BW You know this system, Nabers/Robinson are going to be a real problem for defenses and you only have to throw the ball 2 feet. Throw in Hyatt. If Jones is healthy and we protect him, it isn’t crazy to think it could look good. I admit, I would like to see Lock in this system too and we will.
Why waste a ton of capital to move for a QB that wasn’t great last year
It was/is a bumper crop of receivers and finding a partner to move down to add another draft asset would have made a lot of sense, too.
Where I disagree with this is that outlook just seems too basic. It is easy to say that WR is a position that has plenty of guys every year so why can't we take one later. The way I look at this is, yeah, we haven't had shit at WR but, on the other hand, this team's problem hasn't been depth. We have actually done well there the last two years under Schoen. Our issue is top tier talent. We finally got another player that could be one of the best WRs in the NFL. The only guys on this roster like that are Dex and Thomas. I think we can hope Burns continues to project to one of the best at his position in the NFL. Thibs is young and hopefully can project there too. This is the team's issue.
I was thinking about that too, how fast things changed. That's not to say DJ is the answer because he isn't. Nevertheless, I really wanted Addison or Flowers last year. Let's see how things progress, I'm liking how Schoen is building the roster so far. Two massive mistakes were made: not trading Saquon for a medium Pepsi before the deadline and the contract for DJ. Then the Neal pick was a big blunder (him not doing any athletic testing should have been a red flag). Other than that, I like the core he has cooking here.
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So, I don't have problem with the player, but I think there is criticism about how the situation was managed.
It was/is a bumper crop of receivers and finding a partner to move down to add another draft asset would have made a lot of sense, too.
Where I disagree with this is that outlook just seems too basic. It is easy to say that WR is a position that has plenty of guys every year so why can't we take one later. The way I look at this is, yeah, we haven't had shit at WR but, on the other hand, this team's problem hasn't been depth. We have actually done well there the last two years under Schoen. Our issue is top tier talent. We finally got another player that could be one of the best WRs in the NFL. The only guys on this roster like that are Dex and Thomas. I think we can hope Burns continues to project to one of the best at his position in the NFL. Thibs is young and hopefully can project there too. This is the team's issue.
True, Nabers projects to be a foundational cornerstone blue chip building block player on the offense.
Also, watch what receivers are available at 47 tonight and come back to this idea that we could get a promising wr at 47.
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So, I don't have problem with the player, but I think there is criticism about how the situation was managed.
It was/is a bumper crop of receivers and finding a partner to move down to add another draft asset would have made a lot of sense, too.
Could be the best player in the draft. The combination of speed/power/hands hands makes it almost impossible to deny him the football in short spaces. I think this man walks into the NFL as dangerous as anyone with the ball in his hands(huge)
BW You know this system, Nabers/Robinson are going to be a real problem for defenses and you only have to throw the ball 2 feet. Throw in Hyatt. If Jones is healthy and we protect him, it isn’t crazy to think it could look good. I admit, I would like to see Lock in this system too and we will.
hWow- those Blue Shades are as bright as ever - exaggerating the realitiy of what will happen vs good teams.
I have zero issue with differing opinions. It is healthy. What I have an issue with is fans shitting all over Nabers because of their feelings that are not backed up with facts. I didn't want to give up our 2025 1st round pick as I believe it is going to be a very high pick. That doesn't mean I would shit all over Maye if the Giants did make the trade. Too many people are stuck in their views that it makes them feel better to shit all over Nabers. It is just so childish.
He gives us speed and quickness we havent had in years.
He won't be the possesion type receiver that Odunze has,but he gives us break away speed that Kafka and Dabol can utilize to put more points on the board.
Also he was very very highly regarded by the experts...
We are lucky to have such a weapon!
Why waste a ton of capital to move for a QB that wasn’t great last year
I didn't mention QB. I simply said a case can be made to have managed the situation differently by trading down to get another pick and still have a crack at a WR1 talent.
Why?
Easy, high percentage passes that can turn into big plays.
Everyone bagged on Jones because he threw short last year and missed downfield opportunities.
I am flat out saying he was coached to do that because of the offense and once the OL went to shreds they sped him up at practice even more.
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Why waste a ton of capital to move for a QB that wasn’t great last year
I didn't mention QB. I simply said a case can be made to have managed the situation differently by trading down to get another pick and still have a crack at a WR1 talent.
First two picks in the 2nd WR. The pickings will be slim at 47 for wr..
Concise and to the point.
What happened to Jones, and why he looked so inept (so that he could't spot receivers who were clearly open) - He was having the crap beaten out of him, all day.
Why didn't he throw deep routes. He didn't have the time to do it. The offense was reduced to a pathetic little "dink & doink" passing scheme.
Why didn't the run game help him. The O-line (again), was a turn-style, catching Saquon behind the L.O.S. all day. When he did move forward, there was a 9-man line waiting for him.
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I feel like it's a willful choice to be unhappy, tbh.
About Nabors -
He's fast, but more importantly, he a FOOTBALL player. If you try to press cover him, he'll fight you off and leave you in his dust.
Don't know how good a blocker he is, but I suspect he's very good. I remember how good Plaxico was at that, with a head of steam, he loved to crush DBs in the deep zones, on running plays.
As it stands, they have a shiny new toy with not one viable NFL QB on the roster. Not. One.
It’s hard to be excited as a fan when you look at a first round pick and know that, he’s likely not going to reach the potential he is capable of when the team is garbage.
As it stands, they have a shiny new toy with not one viable NFL QB on the roster. Not. One.
It’s hard to be excited as a fan when you look at a first round pick and know that, he’s likely not going to reach the potential he is capable of when the team is garbage.
This post, imv, makes no sense.
While I agree about QB (and was hoping for JJ) the 1st Rd was "well run," no? They had a plan (Maye or Nabers) and stuck to it.
2023 draft seemed well orchestrated as well.
The QB isn't a quick fix unless you're sitting at the top of the draft that has a top talent available...
...or you have a bevy of talent and either have cash available for a FA or randomly hit on once is a decade late Rd QB that works.
Look, while I will suggest that the journey is the prize, I share the fact that the journey has been one of disappointment and struggle.
But, it is our journey.
Embrace the Suck...until it doesn't.
I laughed out loud at this.
Why?
Easy, high percentage passes that can turn into big plays.
Everyone bagged on Jones because he threw short last year and missed downfield opportunities.
I am flat out saying he was coached to do that because of the offense and once the OL went to shreds they sped him up at practice even more.
Let me understand what you are saying. Daniel Jones was coached to ignore open receivers. And then I can assume when Witherspoon did the embarrassing pick 6 on national TV he really knew Jones' mission was to ignore the open man. And when Daboll almost bounced a tablet off Jones' head, he was actually upset Jones wasn't ignoring open receivers enough. Yea... sounds legit.
I just hope we cut him the second he can pass a physical because I’m terrified of that injury clause.
They're probably gonna love him once they see him play anyway. He's gonna help WHOEVER is playing QB for the Giants.
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I like the pick. He’s a fucking stud. What I hate is the way this team has been run for over a decade now. Poor choice after poor choice have led them to the point they’re at now.
As it stands, they have a shiny new toy with not one viable NFL QB on the roster. Not. One.
It’s hard to be excited as a fan when you look at a first round pick and know that, he’s likely not going to reach the potential he is capable of when the team is garbage.
This post, imv, makes no sense.
While I agree about QB (and was hoping for JJ) the 1st Rd was "well run," no? They had a plan (Maye or Nabers) and stuck to it.
2023 draft seemed well orchestrated as well.
The QB isn't a quick fix unless you're sitting at the top of the draft that has a top talent available...
...or you have a bevy of talent and either have cash available for a FA or randomly hit on once is a decade late Rd QB that works.
Look, while I will suggest that the journey is the prize, I share the fact that the journey has been one of disappointment and struggle.
But, it is our journey.
Embrace the Suck...until it doesn't.
This team, for ten plus years, has made mistake after mistake and, that’s why they’re in the position they’re in now with the current regime. That’s a fact not one person can refute.
How, exactly, does that make no sense?
Until he hits the field and proves them wrong. I'll wait for that.
With Philly and Dallas I heard a lot how they had built their winning teams around the offensive line.
Before a WR can become a major player, you have to have a line that blocks decently for the QB and a QB who can get off a good throw when he is about to get hit in the pocket. The WR is passive when it comes to having a good ball thrown to him. He can run down the field and get open, but he can't make the ball come to him.
But my judgment may be affected by the extraordinary difficulty the Giants have had with the line. Under Coughlin Dave Diehl, for whom I have great respect, was drafted as a guard in the 5th round and went to the Pro Bowl once and yet was good enough to man the left tackle position for both Super Bowl runs. The other linemen were mostly "lunch pail guys," as Parcell's linemen came to be known years earlier.
With Coughlin I think there was something besides size and strength that let individuals of average talent join to form an above average line. I think it may have something to do with all five linemen playing in all 16 games in 2007.
They're probably gonna love him once they see him play anyway. He's gonna help WHOEVER is playing QB for the Giants.
Help "what?" You mean mena "help" the Ginats go 7-10 or 8-9?
Sure that has ot do with it--
But on the flipside- this IS a a discussion board. If you dont offer a contrary opinion - then a year later you'll get posters saying "no one thought that to be the case" -- and that would not true.
And if you get aenough discussion on it--then the comment that "no one thought that to be teh case" comment will never pop up.
This Maye situation got really screwed up. Schoen pivoted and made what might have been the correct pick all along. Contrast that to the obvious bungling in the 2018, 2019 and 2021 drafts.