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New York Giants 3rd Round Selection: CB Andru Phillips

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 9:43 pm
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RE: RE: Just an observation  
AcesUp : 4/26/2024 10:08 pm : link
In comment 16493920 cokeduplt said:
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Schoen has a tendency to check needs at non-premium positions on Day 2. Grabbed the likely starting nickel here after grabbing a starter at safety last round. JMS last year and slot WR his first draft.



CB is a premium position


He’s probably an inside corner although some think he can play outside.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 10:08 pm : link
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Andru Philips will have inside/outside flex and will begin his career in slot. Sounds like Cor'Dale Flott may get first shot at boundary, from talking to Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll. #NYGIants
Too early for the Darnay Holmes Appreciation Thread?  
John in NC : 4/26/2024 10:08 pm : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 10:09 pm : link
Wan’Dale Robinson
@wanda1erobinson
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gone be jus like old times😂😂
@AndruPhillips
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 10:09 pm : link
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
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Schoen said the Giants have a young corps on defense that can now grow together. "I do think we have pieces in place."
RE: RE: He’s going to be a boom or bust pick  
ajr2456 : 4/26/2024 10:09 pm : link
In comment 16493929 bluefin said:
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He can be really good but when things aren’t going right he can unravel. But I think this confirms Melton was their top option at 47.


Do you think he can play outside?


I don’t because of the size
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bluefin : 4/26/2024 10:10 pm : link
In comment 16493934 Eric from BBI said:
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Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Andru Philips will have inside/outside flex and will begin his career in slot. Sounds like Cor'Dale Flott may get first shot at boundary, from talking to Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll. #NYGIants

Flott can cover, but I hope he improves his tackling
Clearly the new staff prioritizes physicality in secondary  
gameday555 : 4/26/2024 10:10 pm : link
In the case of Nubin, I think he plays with incredible toughness yet intelligence and technique. Phillips to me is physical but grabby and looks for contact rather than taking the best angle.

LOVE Nubin, not a fan at all of Phillips. Which probably means Nubin will bust and Phillips will be a star. It's all a crapshoot. To hell with my evaluations lets hope they're both studs.
Wouldn’t be against taking another corner  
ajr2456 : 4/26/2024 10:10 pm : link
In Jarrian Jones tomorrow
RE: RE: I like going all in on defense after Nabers  
Mbavaro : 4/26/2024 10:10 pm : link
In comment 16493914 Roto_Wizard said:
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They'll need to heavily lean on the defense this year.



While the offense continues to average less than 15 PPG...

Yes, they will need to rely on the defense. Again.

They need more playmakers.


Guess you missed pick 6

Should they ignore other needs on the roster ?

Some of you people must be a real blast at parties
Good to hear !  
Rave7 : 4/26/2024 10:11 pm : link
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.


Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."
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Now Mike in MD : 4/26/2024 10:12 pm : link
In comment 16493942 bluefin said:
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Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Andru Philips will have inside/outside flex and will begin his career in slot. Sounds like Cor'Dale Flott may get first shot at boundary, from talking to Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll. #NYGIants


Flott can cover, but I hope he improves his tackling


Wuth Flott's size he's jjust never going to tackle well or support the run well
RE: RE: Another disposable CB  
averagejoe : 4/26/2024 10:13 pm : link
In comment 16493912 Mbavaro said:
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we draft them every year. None are ever any good .



Think before you post

Tae Banks says hello

You should change your handle to Perpetually Miserable


Not talking about our first rd pick. We drafted 3 db last year two the year before and two the year before that. Why do we still need a db ?

Maybe you should think .
RE: Good to hear !  
Amtoft : 4/26/2024 10:13 pm : link
In comment 16493950 Rave7 said:
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Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.


Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."


I mean he is loved by a lot of people that review this stuff, but man... He is sticky, but can't get hands on the ball at all?
RE: Good to hear !  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 10:13 pm : link
In comment 16493950 Rave7 said:
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Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.


Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."


That's gold Jerry. Gold!"
RE: RE: Good to hear !  
Eric on Li : 4/26/2024 10:15 pm : link
In comment 16493957 Amtoft said:
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Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.


Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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20m
Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."



I mean he is loved by a lot of people that review this stuff, but man... He is sticky, but can't get hands on the ball at all?


i dont really care if corners get a ton of picks. what did banks have 1 last year and he was still really good? the way the game is now they are so disadvantaged by the rules they just need to stay attached.
RE: Wonder if this means they plan to play Flott outside.  
AcidTest : 4/26/2024 10:17 pm : link
In comment 16493913 BigBlueNH said:
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I thought he played well last year.


I wonder that as well.

Good to hear all the positive comments from prognosticators about Phillips.
RE: RE: RE: Another disposable CB  
section125 : 4/26/2024 10:17 pm : link
In comment 16493956 averagejoe said:
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we draft them every year. None are ever any good .



Think before you post

Tae Banks says hello

You should change your handle to Perpetually Miserable



Not talking about our first rd pick. We drafted 3 db last year two the year before and two the year before that. Why do we still need a db ?

Maybe you should think .


Because you look to upgrade all positions every year. Jackson left. McKinney left. Two starting players left, so they need replacements.
Not rocket science really. Perhaps Flott is not what they thought he'd be. Hawkins and Owens were later round pickups.
RE: Wonder what the character issues  
US1 Giants : 4/26/2024 10:19 pm : link
In comment 16493910 Dnew15 said:
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That need to be checked on include???


Charged with first-degree burglary (August 2021) in connection with an incident at a fraternity house party. Grad Jury dismissed.
RE: RE: RE: Good to hear !  
Amtoft : 4/26/2024 10:19 pm : link
In comment 16493964 Eric on Li said:
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Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.


Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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20m
Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."



I mean he is loved by a lot of people that review this stuff, but man... He is sticky, but can't get hands on the ball at all?



i dont really care if corners get a ton of picks. what did banks have 1 last year and he was still really good? the way the game is now they are so disadvantaged by the rules they just need to stay attached.


He gave up 38 catches on 57 attempts for 434 yards with 3 TDs and zero picks on 422 coverage snaps last year. That means they threw his way over 25% of the time and had success doing it. Sorry I hope I am wrong.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 10:19 pm : link
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
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The Giants are viewing Andru Phillips as a slot CB first, but they will also have him play outside as well. GM Joe Schoen said they also view Cordell Flott as a CB that will play inside and out.

Versatility is something Schoen said is more of a focus under new DC Shane Bowen.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 10:19 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Phillips has versatility, but Schoen said he'll likely start out working the slot. Would make sense to put him there and flip Flott outside since Bowen's defense puts an emphasis on run D from the slot.
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Amtoft : 4/26/2024 10:23 pm : link
In comment 16493980 Eric from BBI said:
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Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
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The Giants are viewing Andru Phillips as a slot CB first, but they will also have him play outside as well. GM Joe Schoen said they also view Cordell Flott as a CB that will play inside and out.

Versatility is something Schoen said is more of a focus under new DC Shane Bowen.


That is interesting because he can tackle. That makes more sense.
RE: RE: RE: Another disposable CB  
Mbavaro : 4/26/2024 10:23 pm : link
In comment 16493956 averagejoe said:
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we draft them every year. None are ever any good .



Think before you post

Tae Banks says hello

You should change your handle to Perpetually Miserable



Not talking about our first rd pick. We drafted 3 db last year two the year before and two the year before that. Why do we still need a db ?

Maybe you should think .


Because Hawkins is still developing and Jackson left

Has Belton not contributed ?

Has Flott not flashed?

But we needed a nickel and got one

But go on complaining about nonsense
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Amtoft : 4/26/2024 10:24 pm : link
In comment 16493981 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Phillips has versatility, but Schoen said he'll likely start out working the slot. Would make sense to put him there and flip Flott outside since Bowen's defense puts an emphasis on run D from the slot.


meant this for this quote... That is interesting because he can tackle. That makes more sense.
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Toth029 : 4/26/2024 10:25 pm : link
In comment 16493981 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Phillips has versatility, but Schoen said he'll likely start out working the slot. Would make sense to put him there and flip Flott outside since Bowen's defense puts an emphasis on run D from the slot.


Flott has flashed but needs consistency. Hopefully a third year is the charm.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Good to hear !  
k2tampa : 4/26/2024 10:29 pm : link
In comment 16493977 Amtoft said:
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Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.


Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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20m
Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."



I mean he is loved by a lot of people that review this stuff, but man... He is sticky, but can't get hands on the ball at all?



i dont really care if corners get a ton of picks. what did banks have 1 last year and he was still really good? the way the game is now they are so disadvantaged by the rules they just need to stay attached.



He gave up 38 catches on 57 attempts for 434 yards with 3 TDs and zero picks on 422 coverage snaps last year. That means they threw his way over 25% of the time and had success doing it. Sorry I hope I am wrong.


57 out of 422 is about 13 percent.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Good to hear !  
Amtoft : 4/26/2024 10:32 pm : link
In comment 16494018 k2tampa said:
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He gave up 38 catches on 57 attempts for 434 yards with 3 TDs and zero picks on 422 coverage snaps last year. That means they threw his way over 25% of the time and had success doing it. Sorry I hope I am wrong.



57 out of 422 is about 13 percent.


Oh crap... Did my math wrong... That is much better then. Still don't like him hahaha
we have a 3 way battle for slot  
bigbluewillrise : 4/26/2024 10:32 pm : link
holmes vs phillips vs the return of aaron robinson!!!
opposite banks  
bigbluewillrise : 4/26/2024 10:33 pm : link
its another 3 way battle

mccloud vs hawkins vs flott.
RE: RE: RE: Just an observation  
JoeSchoens11 : 4/26/2024 10:39 pm : link
In comment 16493933 AcesUp said:
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Schoen has a tendency to check needs at non-premium positions on Day 2. Grabbed the likely starting nickel here after grabbing a starter at safety last round. JMS last year and slot WR his first draft.



CB is a premium position



He’s probably an inside corner although some think he can play outside.
I’m more than ok if he’s inside only, that’s a tough position to play and hard to find good ones.
Nothing against Phillips  
CTGiants : 4/26/2024 10:44 pm : link
but how can you pass on Cooper Beebe. Guess they figure their offseason patchwork of the OL will make it ok. And to make things worse Beebe goes to F'in Dallas!
RE: RE: RE: Really odd  
shyster : 4/26/2024 10:45 pm : link
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To see a bottom tier 10-yard split with top tier vert and broad.

Makes me think he got a bad start in his 40 and probably runs faster than the 4.48.

You don't often see that combo as both are explosion metrics related to the lower half.



I was just about to reply to Eric in Li to say that his 10y split was 1.51 not 1.6, per nfl.com.



i dont put the times in the RAS database i just post the cards lol.


Wasn't blaming you; presumed there was a glitch in your source. Always appreciate your athlete data posts.
Solid Draft so far.  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 4/26/2024 10:48 pm : link
Let see about tomorrow.
Damn  
Dnew15 : 4/26/2024 11:08 pm : link
Sounds like the kid got dealt a tough hand - overcame it and played great.
Love that interviews seemed to be top-notch.
Let’s go!!!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Just an observation  
AcesUp : 4/26/2024 11:08 pm : link
In comment 16494049 JoeSchoens11 said:
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Schoen has a tendency to check needs at non-premium positions on Day 2. Grabbed the likely starting nickel here after grabbing a starter at safety last round. JMS last year and slot WR his first draft.



CB is a premium position



He’s probably an inside corner although some think he can play outside.

I’m more than ok if he’s inside only, that’s a tough position to play and hard to find good ones.


I agree, think it’s undervalued actually. It’s tough to find guys with the change of direction and run D ability to fill the position. Hopefully they connect on him, would be fill a hole we’ve had on this defense forever.
Anyone remember Will Alllen?  
David B. : 4/26/2024 11:28 pm : link
Could cover, but the only way he'd ever come up with the ball is if it got stuck in his face mask after it sailed through his hands.

Phillips' highlights showed me a guy who can cover and is a sure tackler, but he seems to have no ball skills, other than knocking it away.

I assume there were guys on the board at other positions with similar grades, but the CB need was high.

FWIW, Justin Pinnick of Talking Giants said, "No interceptions in two years. High missed tackle rate. He allows a LOT of catches. If you're allowing a lot of catches in college, I'm worried that you're going to allow a lot of catches in the pros, as well."

Another depth guy (it seems). Everyone says he's a slot, so he's not CB2 across from Banks. I don't expect much here (no more than they've gotten from Flott), but I'll hope for the best.
commentators  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 11:33 pm : link
keep saying what Sy said... he just jumped off the film.
The Athletic: Strengths & Weaknesses  
M.S. : 4/27/2024 7:04 am : link

STRENGTHS: Competes with a physical mindset and looks to reroute receivers early … fluent in multiple techniques (press, bail, side-turn, etc.), thanks to his footwork and acceleration control … will find himself in compromised positions because of his aggression, but he has the makeup speed to quickly recover … anticipates well from depth to drive and disrupt … plays through the hands of receivers downfield for late rakes … doesn’t have a large frame, but he’s no stranger to the weight room and plays with functional length and play strength … does a nice job punching off blocks and squaring ball carriers … experienced on kick and punt coverages (12 special-teams tackles in his college career) … experienced both inside and outside (played every snap as the nickel in 2023 against Tennessee).

WEAKNESSES: Will lose the size battle against most NFL wide receivers … didn’t record an interception in college … didn’t play with a large catch radius on tape, and well-placed throws were often completed … allows a half-step of separation at the break point … his hands-on approach will attract attention from officials (two pass interference penalties in 2023 vs. Missouri) … displays tackling toughness but finish and technique fall short (15 missed tackles in 2023) … one of six Kentucky players charged with first-degree burglary (August 2021) in connection with an incident at a fraternity house party; a month later, a grand jury later cleared the players of charges; the players involved then filed a civil suit that was later dropped.
RE: commentators  
bluefin : 4/27/2024 7:47 am : link
In comment 16494228 Eric from BBI said:
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keep saying what Sy said... he just jumped off the film.

his highlight vids look like he’s on fast forward
Don’t love this pick  
Lambuth_Special : 4/27/2024 8:17 am : link
The number of corners Schoen is bringing in is starting to resemble a diner menu. However, I will say this: pass defense - outside of the times they play Dak- is one of the few areas that has been consistently ok in the Schoen/Daboll era (though who knows how much of that is due to Wink).
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 4/27/2024 8:28 am : link
I know highlights are highlights.

But this guy looks to play with swagger and has a confidence to him. It reminds me of Banks honestly.

I think I'm seeing a trend - Schoen likes a bit of alpha dog in his corners
Secondary certainly got a boost last night but I think Schoen  
ThomasG : 4/27/2024 8:34 am : link
had to do a bit of a change in direction. I think the Giants were targeting the Corners that went in front of them in Rd 2 and then possibly going Safety afterwards.

But the board didn't fall that way so Schoen pivoted to Nubin who had to be higher on his short list then the next set of corners.

Really like Nubin...he's solid. Just okay with Phillips and really don't know if he can go outside much, if at all. But it's not like our Slot CB doesn't need a big upgrade either. Summer competition there will be interesting to follow.
Lambuth, I’d say because of  
ColHowPepper : 4/27/2024 8:40 am : link
our DBs coach, not Wink. Remember Fabian Moreau, off the scrap heap, out of nowhere and performed quite creditably in ‘22. Giants have gotten solid play from a not overly talented group
Somewhat concerned about this guy  
SomeFan : 4/27/2024 8:41 am : link
from what I have read, he had ZERO INTs in college and not a significant number of pass breakups. Very little impact it appears. Good athlete though. Not sure he will be any better than Holmes has been.
RE: Anyone remember Will Alllen?  
ColHowPepper : 4/27/2024 8:47 am : link
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Another depth guy (it seems). Everyone says he's a slot, so he's not CB2 across from Banks. I don't expect much here (no more than they've gotten from Flott), but I'll hope for the best.

On Flott, yes, I’m very mixed on him. On occasion he shows really good cover skills, which is likely why he was drafted where he was. But he is so long, his top end speed is good but he’s not quick in twitch or change of direction. He doesn’t hunger to be physical so his tackling is usually hit or miss.
CB opposite Banks not yet on roster, I hope.
I am always a sucker for a corner who will  
Heisenberg : 4/27/2024 9:38 am : link
Stick his nose in there and tackle too.

People are making a big deal of lack of interceptions and that matters a bit. But even when a guy gets 5 picks in a season, it’s a 1 percent outcome. The other 99 percent of plays are also really important and this guy is good in those for sure.
Seems like a good coverage guy ...  
short lease : 4/27/2024 9:48 am : link
and not afraid of contact either.

I know this is a highlight film but, his reckless abandon ... wow.
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RE: Seems like a good coverage guy ...  
short lease : 4/27/2024 9:50 am : link
In comment 16494511 short lease said:
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and not afraid of contact either.

I know this is a highlight film but, his reckless abandon ... wow. Link - ( New Window )



He better get used to turning his around in the NFL.
RE: RE: Another disposable CB  
BleedBlue46 : 4/27/2024 10:25 am : link
In comment 16493880 Eric from BBI said:
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we draft them every year. None are ever any good .



Yeah, Tae Banks sucks.

LOL


Flott showed some quality play last year too. He's got promise still I think. Look I get it, you wanted a QB. Most of us did, but most teams don't just get a QB and all the sudden compete. You want to be the Detroit Lions? We need a solid roster built as the foundation or a rookie qb contract will flounder.
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